{"error":false,"id":["149149"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":149149,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149149","日期":"2024-02-27","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"院會-11-1-2","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第1會期第2次會議","屆":11,"會期":1,"會次":2,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"院會","標題":"立法院第11屆第1會期第2次會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2024-02-27T14:30:26+08:00","結束時間":"2024-02-27T14:46:33+08:00","影片長度":"00:16:07","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ee9543ba39e968100611a08e17dfd0c04c3dd4484df4233ff8ba9b0039caa7a61bf4d436f2ad96565ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"徐富癸","委員發言時間":"14:30:26 - 14:46:33","會議時間":"2024-02-27T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第2次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。\n二、2月23日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n三、2月27日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","gazette":{"lineno":2,"blocks":[["徐委員富癸：（14時30分）謝謝院長。有請行政院長及交通部王部長。"],["主席：麻煩請陳院長備詢。"],["陳院長建仁：徐委員，午安，恭喜你當選立法委員，真是恭喜。"],["徐委員富癸：謝謝院長。本席來自國境之南的屏東，院長與部長也常到屏東洽公。請問屏東遠不遠？請教院長與部長。"],["陳院長建仁：有夠遠！"],["徐委員富癸：很遠。"],["陳院長建仁：我們旗山已經很遠了。"],["徐委員富癸：不管是潘前縣長到周春米縣長，我們長期針對屏東交通建設這一塊，真的要請行政院與交通部大力幫忙。我認為屏東不應該是「站尾包衰」，所以我們提出交通平權，希望行政院能把屏東的交通建設列為重點建設項目。下一屆的賴清德總統過去到屏東時常常說的一句話就是，要區域的經濟發展。區域的經濟發展最重要的要件、最需要解決的就是交通問題……"],["陳院長建仁：沒錯。"],["徐委員富癸：我想這點院長應該是認同的。"],["陳院長建仁：對，完全認同。"],["徐委員富癸：如果交通不解決，會連帶影響到我們整個經濟與農漁業發展，乃至醫療問題，所以本席這邊有幾項議題要請院長與部長答復。"],["陳院長建仁：好。"],["徐委員富癸：未來希望行政院與交通部能和屏東縣政府，共同為了屏東的建設來努力。首先請教院長，我們叫「屏南快速道路」為救命路，而交通部已經在去年底將這條屏南快速道路的可行性評估報到院裡面審查。"],["陳院長建仁：對。"],["徐委員富癸：請教院長相關計畫與期程，目前進度如何？"],["陳院長建仁：因為可行性評估已經送到院方來，我們現在請國發會做審議工作。如果可行性評估核定後，就會繼續接著辦綜合規劃、環評及施工作業。順利的話，可能在126年時完工通車。"],["徐委員富癸：院長，每次本席聽到交通規劃的時間及完工的時間……"],["陳院長建仁：都比較長……"],["徐委員富癸：都要很長，聽了實在是……這不是本席的問題，而是鄉親有期待，所以會覺得為什麼屏東要一條交通建設這麼困難？"],["陳院長建仁：向委員報告，未來如果要做綜合規劃、環評與施工，需要中央與地方合作，看能不能縮減期程。但現在的規劃是按照過去的環評等等時程在做，所以大家努力打拼，看能不能縮短時程，越早越好。"],["徐委員富癸：本席希望院長能裁示，請交通部針對相關的環評等期程同步進行，不要一個階段後再做一個階段，這樣時間真的會拉得很長。是不是能這樣……"],["陳院長建仁：就這部分來說，不管國發會或交通部都很重視時程。"],["龔主任委員明鑫：報告委員，交通部已經在1月31日時送來我們這邊，沒有錯，我們會儘快覆核，因為大概已經都同意了，金額也算出來了。如果第一階段的話大概要一千三百多億，所以這條路就要一千三百多億，我們已經核定了，很快就會……"],["徐委員富癸：我再請教一下主委跟部長，我們有沒有可能採分段施工、分段進行的方式來加快期程及進行？"],["王部長國材：我跟委員報告，我們第一階段是到楓港，第二階段到恆春，楓港的部分就是我們現在第一階段先積極來進行，因為那邊是台9跟台1的分界，而且是比較塞的路段。剛才談到從現在開始6年做二階環評跟綜合規劃，當然這裡面也有算到二階環評的時間，你也知道這條路沿路的環評敏感度我們可能要去突破。另外就是用地取得2年，其實真正施工期只有5年而已，前面都是前置作業。但剛剛院長有特別提到，我們能縮短就會儘量把它縮短，所以這部分我們會全力讓它……"],["徐委員富癸：部長，我想是這樣子啦，當然就我們鄉親的期待值來講，每個人聽到環評的時間或是施工的期間……"],["王部長國材：我們會加強，我們會加油。"],["徐委員富癸：真的大家聽到後都搖頭啦，所以這個要特別拜託部裡面跟院長，是不是能夠請相關部會加快速度，這個真的一定要做，我們的救命路要拜託院長這邊大力地來幫忙。"],["陳院長建仁：我們會盡全力，讓各部會一齊來努力。"],["徐委員富癸：好，我想這部分再麻煩一下，時間點能不要聽到126年，這樣真的是很久、很久啦！"],["陳院長建仁：很久。"],["徐委員富癸：第二個部分我要請教的是有關高雄捷運延伸到屏東的部分，我想這條路線我們屏東鄉親也期待20年了，目前有規劃了幾條路線，這幾條路線在110年7月份交通部這邊有一部分有做核備，我想請部長說明一下小港、東港、林邊線及其他路線到目前的進度。"],["王部長國材：跟委員報告，目前就是高雄紅線現在延伸到林園，我們現在從林園到大鵬灣然後繼續往東港這邊來走，目前是在做可行性，因為過去有段時間是在談紅線的延伸，但是後來縣政府跟市政府的討論是覺得那一段是另外一個系統，所以未來在林園會有轉乘，有關轉乘的部分，委員也知道，同月台轉乘是很方便的，所以也沒什麼感覺。目前我們估算的時間，如果從現在開始應該也是10年的時間，因為裡面也一樣，現在來就是綜合規劃、環評，包括用地取得和施工，大概也要10年的時間，現在……"],["徐委員富癸：請教部長，我們鄉親比較關心的是會一車到底嗎？"],["王部長國材：目前是沒有一車到底，剛才有談到，會在林園做個轉乘，但是我們現在的捷運都會儘量做到在同月台轉乘，意思是這班車到了，另外一邊的車也到了，就是走過來而已，大概類似這樣。"],["陳院長建仁：我也跟委員報告一下，雖然沒有一車到底，但是轉乘如果很方便的話是沒感覺的，另外很重要的是說，這樣未來還有延伸其他地方的可能性。"],["王部長國材：是的。"],["徐委員富癸：我再請教院長，除了小港到東港、林邊之外，我們另外還有一個大寮、萬丹潮州線，還有大寮屏東線跟左營到屏東線，這三條的進度是否也請部長說明一下？"],["王部長國材：這個部分在屏東縣政府的整體路網裡面有放進去，但是個別路線還沒有送到交通部，它在整體路網裡面有這幾條路線，現在就是縣政府看哪個優先然後送進來，目前他們是以延伸到大鵬灣這條當成優先路線，後面縣政府如果再送進來，我們就會來處理，我們會儘量來協助。"],["徐委員富癸：這個也是要麻煩部長，如果我們縣政府把相關計畫送進來，也請你們加快時程審查……"],["王部長國材：好，這個可以……"],["徐委員富癸：因為這些都是鄉親非常期待的交通建設。"],["王部長國材：瞭解。"],["徐委員富癸：所以要特別拜託院長跟部長。"],["陳院長建仁：好，現在就只有高雄捷運藍線延伸有送進來，剩下這三條就要等縣府弄好，做好可行性研究，然後送過來，送來之前如果有需要，我也會請交通部給予指導，看要如何去做比較好。"],["徐委員富癸：好，謝謝院長跟部長。","我想最重要的就是這個，我印象最深刻，我們潘孟安前縣長在2005年當選立委，到立法院第一件事情就是質詢高鐵議題，到現在經過十幾年了，只聞樓梯響，不見車過來。我請教院長跟部長，現在高鐵南延屏東的進度到底如何？"],["王部長國材：現在正在做環評跟綜合規劃，現在大概整個路線都已經確定了，是到六塊厝，六塊厝現在在行政院這邊也把它做成一個特定區，你看六塊厝那邊也已經開始有一些建設在做了，大概端點就是到六塊厝。目前就是按照行程，應該是……."],["徐委員富癸：但是本席很納悶的是，好像最近幾年每隔一段時間就會聽到媒體有一些關於路線也好、關於我們部裡面有一些雜音也好，都有這樣的報導陸續出現，請問我們的路線現在到底定案了沒有？"],["王部長國材：目前可行性已經定案了，不進入高雄市區，當然前一陣子也有高雄立委提到可不可以考慮進到市區，比如說從左營到高雄、鳳山到屏東這樣，但問題是進入高雄市區會牽涉到鐵路地下化後二次施工的問題，所以我有跟高雄的立委談到這個必須在地方取得共識才有辦法。目前如果還沒有取得共識，我們現在繼續走的就是不經過市區，直接繞、直接到六塊厝……"],["徐委員富癸：所以原本的左營案又有變化就是了？"],["王部長國材：他們有在提這個課題，因為他們也是在這裡質詢，上一次的質詢……"],["陳院長建仁：有這樣的建議啦！"],["王部長國材：對，有這個建議，我是說這個要想清楚，當然屏東不會變，屏東車站的部分，不管路線是不是要進入市區都會到六塊厝，都不會變。"],["陳院長建仁：都會到六塊厝啦，現在就是要繞到哪裡去而已，但是如果要繞到市區……"],["徐委員富癸：我還是要提醒啦，2019年交通部對外宣布我們要在2029年通車，這個目標我看如果到目前為止都沒動工的話就不可能完成吧？"],["王部長國材：現在目標也是朝這方面來進行。"],["徐委員富癸：2029？"],["王部長國材：因為它已經到環評的尾端，已經做一陣子了。"],["陳院長建仁：環境影響評估完成後再繼續。"],["徐委員富癸：好，另外一個我們鄉親也很關心的部分是，除了到六塊厝之外，有沒有可能南延到潮州？因為蘇貞昌前院長來屏東的時候有提過，包括賴總統也有提過這個部分，我們鄉親也很關心這個部分，是不是有做這樣的規劃？"],["王部長國材：其實委員這張圖畫的很正確，一旦進入屏東就出不來了，必須要拆一堆房子才能出來，所以設在六塊厝當時就是預留往南延的空間，的確你這個圖是很正確的，就是不進入市區，準備南延，留下彈性。"],["徐委員富癸：因為不到潮州的話，未來我們要連接到東部會困難重重，所以這個部分還是要請院長跟部長，我們努力的目標是2029年，這個部分要趕快定案、趕快動工。"],["陳院長建仁：對，現在就是六塊厝這裡先做，屏東到潮州這一段到底要怎麼走有很多的討論，你看高鐵很多都閃過鄉鎮的地方，像是臺南也好，都不要經過中心區，這就必須由我們縣政府和鄉、鎮長、地方的「頭人」去共同討論，看怎麼樣比較好。其實我也希望縣府有相關的想法或是委員有相關的建議，想好要怎麼進行，如果地方意見能夠一致，當然就會比較快啦。"],["徐委員富癸：這個還是要特別請院長跟部長幫忙，我覺得我們一段時間就應該要有進度出來，要給鄉親一個交代，不然大家都望眼欲穿，等不到好的結果。"],["陳院長建仁：謝謝委員很認真的在推動，不論是屏東的道路也好，或是軌道建設也好，都很認真。我們當然就像你剛才所說的，臺灣每個縣市的交通建設都是要中央和地方大家一齊共同打拚，尤其最重要的是能有委員的支持，這樣就比較有可能性，也會比較快。"],["徐委員富癸：謝謝院長，我想院長對屏東也很熟悉，這真的是我們屏南鄉親所有人的期待，就是我們屏南的交通建設。整個屏東縣的交通建設若沒有把任督二脈打通，真的屏東的發展永遠都是「站尾包衰」，這部分真的請院長多幫忙。","因為時間的關係，針對大鵬灣未來的開發還有墾丁國家公園計畫「五通」的問題，這部分也要特別請交通部的王部長還有內政部的林部長，針對相關大鵬灣的開發跟墾管處所面臨一些民怨的問題，是不是可以趕緊加快速度？尤其大鵬灣的部分，就是一些所謂的公共基礎建設速度拖延，很多鄉親都在反映，從2019年臺灣燈會結束之後就任其「拋荒」；墾管處的問題就是所謂的部落劃出國家公園範圍的議題，當然這部分也有正反兩面的意見，這部分也要請內政部加快「五通」的速度，可以讓這些問題趕快解決，不要讓百姓在那邊怨天載道，然後埋怨說我們的政府都毫無作為。"],["陳院長建仁：這件事情因為時間的關係，我再請我們王部長和林部長有機會再跟……"],["徐委員富癸：再麻煩給本席一個完整的書面答復，好不好？"],["陳院長建仁：好。多謝。"],["徐委員富癸：謝謝院長。謝謝部長。"],["主席：謝謝徐委員的質詢。謝謝陳院長的備詢。","接下來請謝委員衣鳯質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":466,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-2","speakers":["韓國瑜","吳秉叡","丁學忠","黃珊珊","林岱樺","陳雪生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