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Kacaw"},{"start":594.192,"end":594.592,"text":"這裏面你們的報告提到"},{"start":615.765,"end":643.64,"text":"立法院內政委員會108年會議結議考量海巡人員執法環境特殊建議海巡署員2個月內研議配發密錄器與基層人員期間須陸續籌補1358台為目前配發所使用密錄器未採用執行人員每一台方式配發未來將改採每人一台方式配發當然你後面有提到"},{"start":645.284,"end":671.734,"text":"動資一倍金我的意思是說這個部分今天在這個快艇裡面我們的快艇我們的名稱叫什麼我們的CP艇海巡艇不是只有一個人好幾個人在裡面顯然如果都沒有密錄器的話顯然還是"},{"start":673.809,"end":675.071,"text":"邀請海洋委員會主任委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}