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個身分去做所謂的部分負擔免除的話，這可能要從長計議。"],["盧委員縣一：OK，沒有關係，我在衛環再修法看看，看看有沒有同仁可以一起幫忙。","我們一直在講免繳健保費，也是很多委員提過了，我就不再贅述。","最後一項是長者的智慧手錶，如果這個可以通過，其實很多偏鄉地區、不只是原鄉地區這些獨居的老人家就可以使用到，因為大部分老人家其實都是獨居，他們在家裡我們要怎麼知道他們到底安不安全？如果有個東西可以監測，至少監測他的生命徵象、可以定位他在哪裡的時候，很多年輕人在外面工作會比較放心，我們是不是可以朝這個方向來努力？可以嗎？"],["薛部長瑞元：跟委員報告，這個部分我們有二個計畫在進行，第一個是在花蓮豐濱，由慈濟醫院來協助執行，另外一個計畫是在臺東……"],["盧委員縣一：所以這個是由哪一個司在做？"],["薛部長瑞元：應該是我們的醫福會。"],["盧委員縣一：醫福會？"],["薛部長瑞元：醫福會，在豐濱跟成功，是由部立臺東醫院來執行的，現在正在進行。"],["盧委員縣一：OK，那我再來追它成效看看好不好。"],["薛部長瑞元：對，我們再看一下它的成效。"],["陳院長建仁：看一下成效啦。"],["盧委員縣一：第五項我提到原住民醫療，最主要是想說過去原住民在沒有現代醫療的狀況下，也跟大家一樣活到了現代，一定也有他的生活智慧，所以如果讓我們現在的醫生去學習一些已經量化或者經過驗證是OK的傳統藥材，也可以納入我們原住民醫療知識體系的話，我相信對我們長者在使用醫療時的意願會更高。"],["薛部長瑞元：這個部分我們中醫藥司有在進行這一部分的工作。"],["盧委員縣一：好，那我們進行下一個主題，就是我們的免巴氏量表。免巴氏量表不僅對族人來說是可以免去他的奔波，對很多我們的國人來講也是這樣，所以這個至少我在衛環這邊會努力地推出來，希望大家來認可這個提議，好不好？"],["薛部長瑞元：這個部分事實上就如同剛剛委員提到的，我們的多元評估方式已經開始推動，目前的人數可能不是很多，使用到這3類的大概有六千多人。"],["盧委員縣一：我知道，我大概有算過。","我們再來看自來水的普及率，這是我到每一個原住民地區都會遇到的問題，我們不是住在海邊就是住在溪流邊，不然就是住在深山，看到水卻不能好好地用水，不覺得這是很辛苦的一件事情嗎？所以我就去查了一下我們的普及率，請你看一下，目前山地原住民地區還是不到40%，如果加上簡易自來水也還不到8成，反觀都會區都是96%以上，請問你們有沒有一個進程或是有沒有規劃要怎麼樣來完成這個普及率？"],["王部長美花：因為在偏鄉或是原住民地區，大家非常分散，所以接管的成本確實是非常高，但是政府針對無自來水地區的經費都有相關的計畫，委員也很關心，所以我們加緊在進行，包括……"],["盧委員縣一：我想知道一年編的經費大概是多少？"],["王部長美花：現在的部分，譬如113年在原鄉部分也是有好幾億的經費來增加，但是也要跟委員報告，因為真的是很分散，所以接管上……"],["盧委員縣一：因為水的使用其實跟我們身體健康有很大的影響。"],["王部長美花：是，我們最近會去提明年度的預算，再提4年計畫，現在同仁有在跟相關的原住民專家討論，看看還有什麼其他比較創新的方法讓原住民地區可以有比較多的、好的水來使用，這個我們目前正在規劃當中，因為院裡面3、4月要提出來，所以可能規劃的方向在這裡面也會呈現。"],["盧委員縣一：我還是會請我們辦公室繼續追這個事情，好嗎？"],["王部長美花：是。"],["盧委員縣一：好，謝謝。","最後一項是關於照顧原住民運動員的問題，大家都知道常常代表我們國家的優秀運動員裡面，以選手數來說或就人口比例來講，我們確實是占了很優勢的位置，不過我們常常看到年輕的運動員因為家庭經濟因素還要四處去打工，有時候因為要去打工而騎摩托車，結果在路上就受傷了，就不能再練習了。我的期望是至少在區運或者亞運、有些世界級比賽如果得到前3名的運動員，就可以規劃他們在平時應該有每個月的營養費、教練費，或是買衣服、鞋子及一些相關設備的費用，或者是出國比賽的一些津貼，你們有這樣的規劃嗎？"],["潘部長文忠：謝謝委員，確實如委員所提到的，在最近的亞運，光我們原民的選手所占的比例就將近20%，得到很好的成績，為國爭光。我也跟委員報告，目前對原住民族選手的部分，我們也有特別考量一些措施，當然這裡面也包含我們對於他們從基層開始的優秀選訓……"],["盧委員縣一：目前我知道的補助好像只有針對名次的補助，並沒有針對我剛剛講的營養費、訓練費這些。"],["潘部長文忠：委員，應該說如果有做，對於相關選手現在國家是分為ABCD四級，這當中裡面也會包含營養費，當然我是說最基層的選手培訓。如果是像委員所提到的，他已經被列為國家國手的，尤其像是到國訓中心這邊的，其實相關的，包含他們的一些生活津貼等涵蓋的這方面……"],["盧委員縣一：都有嗎？"],["潘部長文忠：其實是比較完備的，而且最近才剛剛有新的調整，比如說雖然是在學的學生身分，但是在集訓的時間也有這樣的津貼。"],["盧委員縣一：那如果我再聽到說有國手去兼差打工呢？"],["潘部長文忠：委員，剛才我跟委員報告的，如果他已經進到類似我們的國訓中心，左營的這個國訓中心，基本上要去打工的機會應該是很少，像……"],["陳院長建仁：不需要。"],["潘部長文忠：對，不需要。"],["盧委員縣一：我是指如果他是得到比如說區運賽的前三名，你們有這樣的規劃嗎？"],["潘部長文忠：這部分可能……因為全國等於說中等學校運動會類似這個情況，那個還不到這裡……"],["盧委員縣一：我就希望原民會這邊可不可以考量我們原住民的選手？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：跟委員報告，我們相關的原民的部分，我們有所謂得獎時候的一些獎助，不管是區運的、全國的或是國際性的比賽，我們都會有一些獎勵金，這個部分都會有提供。"],["盧委員縣一：是，我是覺得按照名次給獎勵是不夠的，我希望能夠從我剛才所提的這些面向給他們實質上的、生活上的幫忙，而不要讓家長還要四處張羅他的生活，選手他也要考慮父母親的感受，結果到最後就完全都沒有辦法再繼續訓練，這是我對你的建議，可以嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：這個原民會可以來做比較不同的考量。"],["盧委員縣一：OK，本席的問題到此為止。謝謝。"],["陳院長建仁：好，謝謝。"],["主席：非常感謝盧委員縣一的質詢，也謝謝陳院長的答詢。","接下來我們請登記第41位李委員昆澤質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":174,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-3","speakers":["韓國瑜","林宜瑾","黃仁","林俊憲","邱若華","陳素月","鄭天財Sra 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就是住在深山看到水卻不能好好的用水那不覺得這是一個很辛苦的一件事情嗎所以我就去查了一下我們的普及率就是你看一下"},{"start":1165.014,"end":1184.57,"text":"目前山地原住民地區還是只有不到40%,那如果是減益自來水加起來也不到8成。那就反觀我們都會區都是在96%以上。那我是覺得我們至少我們有沒有一個進程或者說你的一個規劃有要怎麼來完成這個普及率。"},{"start":1185.522,"end":1208.998,"text":"因為偏鄉或者原住民地區因為大家非常分散所以那個接管的成本確實是非常高那但是政府呢也針對這個無自來水地區的這個經費都有相關的計畫那委員也很關心所以我們加緊再進行我想知道說一年的大概編的那個經費是多少"},{"start":1210.119,"end":1232.332,"text":"現在的部分比如說113年的部分在原鄉的部分也是有好幾億的這個經費來增加但是也要跟委員報告因為真的是很分散所以接管上因為水的使用其實是跟我們的身體的健康是有很大的影響那我們最近會去提明年度的預算再提四年計劃"},{"start":1233.472,"end":1258.406,"text":"我們現在同仁有再跟相關的原住民專家來討論還有什麼其他的比較創新的方法讓這個原住民的地區可以比較多的一個好的水來使用那這個我們目前正在規劃當中那因為院裡面的3、4月要提出來所以可能規劃的方向也會在這個裡面會呈現我還是會請我辦公室繼續做這個事情是是是謝謝"},{"start":1263.249,"end":1289.626,"text":"最後一項是關於我們照顧原住民運動員的一個問題大家都知道說我們常常在代表我們國家的優秀運動員裡面我們的就選手數來說就人口比例來講我們是確實是佔了很優勢的一個位置不過我們常常在看我們的年輕的運動員常常是因為"},{"start":1290.575,"end":1316.401,"text":"家庭經濟藝術還要四處打工有的時候是因為去打工了一起摩托車結果在路上就受傷了就不能再練習那我期望就是說至少在七運或者是亞運或者是有些世界級的比賽的時候如果得到前三名的運動員就可以平時可以我們可以規劃他應該有每個月的營養費"},{"start":1317.811,"end":1327.621,"text":"至少有教練費或者是買他衣服啊買他鞋子啊或者是一些相關的設備或者是他出國比賽的時候一些津貼你們有這樣的規劃嗎"},{"start":1330.661,"end":1357.587,"text":"謝謝委員,確實委員所提到的我們最近的亞運光我們原民的選手站的比例就將近20%,得到很好的成績,這個為國爭光。那我跟委員報告,現在目前對原住民族選手的部分,因為我們也特別考量一些措施,當然這個裡面也包含我們對於他們從基層開始的這種優秀的選訓。目前我知道的"},{"start":1358.067,"end":1358.668,"text":"委員提到他已經是我們列為國家國首的"},{"start":1384.105,"end":1385.526,"text":"如果再聽到說有國手去兼差打工呢?"},{"start":1408.94,"end":1411.401,"text":"我是指如果他是得到比如說區運賽的前三名你們有這樣的規劃嗎?我最希望原民會這邊可以考量"},{"start":1437.278,"end":1439.503,"text":"關於我們有所謂的得獎的時候的一些講座不管是"},{"start":1448.751,"end":1472.089,"text":"區運的、全國的或是國際性的比賽我們都會有一些獎勵金。是,我是覺得按照名次給獎勵是不夠的。我希望能夠從我剛才所提的這些面向給他們實質上的、生活上的幫忙。而譬如家長還要釋出張羅他的生活,選手他也要考慮父母親的感受,結果到最後就完全都沒有辦法再繼續訓練。這是我的對你的建議,可以嗎?"},{"start":1477.335,"end":1477.695,"text":"臨時提案委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}