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這個可以幫助你攻擊去抓到海耳那一些蘇丹農"},{"start":595.703,"end":618.957,"text":"可以嗎?馬上做喔!就是回去就做了齁!這個絕對是有幫助的喔!要不然呢現在檢察官查了半天就查到3萬你現在3千有301萬公斤勒!你要想這樣勒!不要去看那個只有什麼蘇丹農蘇丹農今天一點點而已啦!我們看下一頁那品名的部分我們跟那個衛生部再討論"},{"start":622.089,"end":630.872,"text":"過去大家有關心的有很多國家隊啦我就舉3個雞蛋國家隊補助了34億綠能國家隊補助了256億電動大客車國家隊補助了600億請問這些帶給國家多少的營所稅有沒有"},{"start":643.507,"end":665.914,"text":"我沒有做這方面的統計你統計一下可以嗎?合計統計國家對我們要去了解一下這個補助出來疫情期間他沒有免稅喔還是要繳稅的喔我們去了解一下這個行業別是什麼來了解一下可以嗎?去了解我再告訴你們資料其實你們才這麼多資料"},{"start":666.974,"end":667.134,"text":"拜訪委員會議長"},{"start":687.698,"end":696.562,"text":"部長,剛剛那個資料兩個禮拜內給我可以嗎?可以好了。好,最後一點也是很重要的今天八大航庫都在這裡我們軍工教加4%一營、台切一營、核庫、華營都是4%張營張營沒有4%"},{"start":714.81,"end":732.138,"text":"他用搶金的方式幾乎：章雲董事長在不在啊?你們來一下我證明我都知道趙鋒還拼了4.5%比Average高了24%台銀跟土銀是因為另外的制度那就不在這裡面了章銀"},{"start":734.351,"end":750.784,"text":"這個就不調底薪我就請問部長要不要責成張文啊真的這些老公員工都很辛苦啊大家打拼了你就不要用什麼獎金高手那個另外算但是你調薪就調底薪可不可以這個是不是我們讓董事長說明一下可不可以"},{"start":753.614,"end":775.529,"text":"報告委員其實我們每一年都有調薪因為我們的薪資的制度跟其他的行庫的標準不太一樣因為其他的行庫他們都是用這個直擊的方式那每年就會自動調薪但是我們是整體性的調薪另外我們也希望說透過獎金的方式對同仁的獎金公會在意的很簡單大家都很清楚"},{"start":776.71,"end":776.95,"text":"主席"},{"start":807.14,"end":811.906,"text":"謝謝委員謝謝賴士葆的委員下一位請郭國文郭委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}