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services"},{"start":538.564,"end":540.925,"text":"除了資本市場雙語化還有便利外資投入都有很多做法。"},{"start":559.392,"end":588.557,"text":"不過很謝謝委員提示這個日本的這個做法我們會立刻交辦同仁去研究那看有什麼方式可以強化這個部分我本來還可以再跟院長再進一步談不過院長剛剛提到這個科學園區這個接下來我想要想要這個跟院長討論這個我們看到這個我們說接近日本的經驗我們看到這次台積電台積電在熊本設廠他事實上在他"},{"start":589.534,"end":615.333,"text":"只是台積電在熊本社場,它帶動了整個這個熊本縣,包括它周圍周邊的這個熊本市、月資市、橘黛町、大金町等這些相關帶動在當地可以創造7000個就業機會,創造4.3兆日元的財富。這個是台積電在熊本社場我們所看到它對於這個日本熊本縣周邊所帶來的這個相關的效應。"},{"start":620.145,"end":647.731,"text":"其實臺灣這幾年科學園區的設置我們也很希望說這樣子的我們科學園區的設置能夠帶動除了這個園區本身它也可以對周邊帶動這個相關的這些成長那這個我們也知道說我們這個有在2月22號我們有通過這個桃竹苗大細股推動方案桃竹苗大細股推動方案這個部分桃園跟新竹他們都有發展既定的基礎"},{"start":648.663,"end":666.641,"text":"我特別關心就是我們桃竹苗的這個大細股推動方案裡面苗栗所扮演的角色苗栗所扮演的角色這個部分我希望說現在當然這個我們在現有的這個桃竹苗大細股的推動"},{"start":668.851,"end":697.041,"text":"目前這個地方政府就我知道我們現在目前科學園區我們有竹南科學園區竹南跟那個銅鑼銅鑼兩個科學園區在這兩個科學園區之間現在大家對於桃竹苗苗栗對於這個桃竹苗的這個大矽谷的推動最關心的是是不是有可能在後龍再設一個科學園區因為後龍他的相關的條件包括他的這個交通他的交通的條件"},{"start":697.551,"end":697.611,"text":"﹚沈發惠"},{"start":724.198,"end":750.817,"text":"主南科學園區到這個銅鑼科學園區再加上厚隆科學園區把整個苗栗的這個產業經濟產值把它帶動起來這部分是能夠分析那個吳主委我跟那個委員報告事實上那個上個月的那個行政院院會通過的這個桃竹苗大細股計畫裡面這苗栗就有包括在裡面"},{"start":751.715,"end":751.995,"text":"其實事實上齁"},{"start":773.547,"end":792.276,"text":"我看到我們其實整個桃竹苗大肆意股的計畫相關的這些交通其實有相關配套的這些交通建設事實上都已經開始了都已經在做了但是在這個科學園區的設置上面這個到目前這個一方面沒有定案另一方面這個可以說"},{"start":795.014,"end":820.255,"text":"以我個人的了解目前苗栗的這些科學園區的設置確實在土地取得上面以相關法令上面是厚隆設置科學園區是最是他的困難度可能是最低這部分我希望說我們行政院在未來這個整個這個納入這個我們桃竹苗大細股推動方案這能夠做一個審慎的評估全面的考量好不好"},{"start":822.014,"end":837.122,"text":"院長是不是我想我們會來努力檢討協調包括國發會地方政府其實也扮演蠻重要的角色就是說因為苗栗縣政府這邊跟國科會這邊的科學研究管理局"},{"start":837.702,"end":864.507,"text":"我想這個地方政府當然扮演一個重要的角色,那地方政府他的評估他一定是比較區域性的去評估,那我們中央政府一定是這個以整個桃竹苗矽谷計畫整體的配置來下來考量,所以這個部分當然要協調,跟地方政府積極的協調,那我們自己本身我們在評估的上面我們也要我們自己的看法好不好。院長謝謝,謝謝大家辛苦了。"},{"start":871.622,"end":874.145,"text":"謝謝,非常感謝我們沈委員的發會的質詢,謝謝陳院長的備詢。"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}