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\n三、3月12日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","gazette":{"lineno":2,"blocks":[["楊委員瓊瓔：（14時30分）謝謝敬愛的韓院長以及我們陳院長所領軍的行政院團隊，楊瓊瓔發言。今天是38婦女節，首先要祝福全國的女性大家天天快樂。首先請我們的陳院長。"],["主席：麻煩請陳院長備詢。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：以及國防部長。"],["主席：麻煩請國防部邱部長。"],["陳院長建仁：楊委員午安，恭喜你當選連任，也祝你婦女節快樂。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：謝謝院長。國防部邱部長昨天在備詢時提到，第一擊是指開砲、開槍，但我們現在已經改變了。部長，你昨天也說了，你說兩岸瀕臨動武，情勢嚴峻，擔心到睡不著。院長，這個說法你認同嗎？我好緊張耶！"],["陳院長建仁：不會啦，我想國防部長憂國憂民，這是我們國人的福氣啦，但是國防部長一定要日理萬機，所以他對於兩岸的發展當然很關心，但是我們會努力來維持臺海現況的和平，然後……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：謝謝院長的回答，對於邱部長，我是非常的尊敬。本席要請教的是，部長提出了這樣的論點，請問院長，您也認同這樣的論點，照你剛才所說的，那麼你有跟蔡總統及賴準總統報告，他們是不是也認同這樣的說法？"],["陳院長建仁：我想我們每一個人都希望臺海能夠維持和平穩定，國防部這邊……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：請針對問題回答。"],["陳院長建仁：對，就國防部這邊，我請國防部長回答。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好，請部長……"],["邱部長國正：報告委員……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你有跟蔡英文總統報告嗎？你有跟賴準總統報告嗎？"],["邱部長國正：我跟委員報告，第一個，所謂第一擊的界定，誠如剛剛委員所講的，以往是認為他們開槍、開砲才叫第一擊，我們才反擊。現在因為我們發覺有無人機的問題，還有空飄氣球等這些灰色地帶，而且有灰色事件……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：是，本席了解，我們對第一擊的定義已經不一樣了。"],["邱部長國正：對。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以你會緊張得不得了，甚至睡不著。請教，你有跟蔡總統以及賴準總統報告嗎？"],["邱部長國正：國防的戰備規定是國防部來核定的，但是在核定之前，我們一定要做一個……在這個狀況推演當中，我會跟總統做個說明，所以……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：當然，所以說明了嗎？"],["邱部長國正：總統是三軍統帥，第一擊雖然我下令，但我一定會跟他請示。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以你給蔡英文總統說明了？"],["邱部長國正：這一定要。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：有給賴準總統報告了嗎？"],["邱部長國正：不是，這不是報告，戰備規定是我核定的……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：說明嗎？有沒有說明？"],["邱部長國正：但是要用的話……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：給蔡英文總統說明了，有給賴準總統說明了嗎？"],["邱部長國正：我跟委員報告，戰備規定是我核定的，核定以後，適切的在推演當中我會跟總統說明，假如有什麼狀況，我會打電話跟總統報告，礙於時間的規定，我這個報告不是在請示，我就建議……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對，報告了嗎？"],["邱部長國正：這是我講過的。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：請問報告了嗎？"],["邱部長國正：這講過。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：講過了？那跟賴準總統也講過了？"],["邱部長國正：沒有，因為當時……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：跟蔡英文總統報告了？"],["邱部長國正：對……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：本席建議，因為賴準總統即將上任，他也應該要瞭解情勢。","接下來本席要請教，我們的反制計畫，以往的政府曾經在臺海危機的時候說過自己有十幾種版本，請教部長，我們的反制計畫有沒有準備？有多少版本？"],["邱部長國正：國軍經常戰備時期的處理規定也有依據，應急作戰也有計畫，還有全面作戰也是有計畫……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：都有？"],["邱部長國正：一定有計畫，抵禦那麼久了……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對，因為我們必須要聽到部長告訴我們，讓我們能安心，要不然你睡不著，我們更緊張啊！所以12海里如果往內延伸……"],["邱部長國正：我跟委員報告，我睡不著是因為我責任所在，我一定很擔憂……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對，所以我們讚許你，讚許你擔憂。"],["邱部長國正：但我擔憂的原因在哪裡，是想說我把這個掌握好狀況之後，以便讓我們的民間能夠安心，我們期望這樣子，不要搞得大家沸沸揚揚好像很緊張，我是這個著眼。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對，所以您的擔心是讓我們放心。"],["邱部長國正：就這樣講。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：就這樣講，你認同？好不容易我們有共同點，所以本席也要再請教，目前我們這個12海里的話如果往內海再延伸，那等於臨界線快到。"],["邱部長國正：沒有什麼延伸的啦，內海就是12海里，就是我們……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：就12海里？這個要講清楚喔！"],["邱部長國正：對，這個沒有以後，以後沒有辦法再縮進來了，這是最後防線……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：要不然再往內延伸，那等於就可以看到101了喔。"],["邱部長國正：這是最後防線，24海里我們就要反應了。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：12海里不反應？"],["邱部長國正：12海里不能再退，24海里都不能退了。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好，不能退，就是這一句話，所以我們人民希望能夠安心。我也謝謝你，你的憂心等於是讓人民放心，因為人民希望要和平，兩岸和平這是人民的需要。"],["邱部長國正：這個不用感謝，這是我們的責任。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：院長，你一直點頭，謝謝。部長您請回，接下來我們再來請唐鳳部長。"],["唐部長鳳：委員好。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：部長，我們數位部從111年的8月份成立到現在大概1年半的時間，很多人在質疑你的成效，本席不願意質疑，我們希望看到成效，但是在這裡我們要請問，現在數位部的辦公室是怎麼回事呢？現在我們是用租的嘛，是不是？"],["唐部長鳳：跟委員報告，我們有一個辦公室是租的，然後一個是我們自己的，我們自己的在延平，然後租的是在行政院附近，那大概……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：租的在行政院附近，一年要多少租金啊？"],["唐部長鳳：大概5年之後會到行政院旁邊的行一、行二這個地方，變成一個永久的辦公地點，那在前……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：請問你現在的租金是多少錢啊？"],["唐部長鳳：在前1年半應該是大概7,000萬左右。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：1年7,000萬左右？"],["唐部長鳳：1年半。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：1年半還是1年？要講清楚。"],["唐部長鳳：前1年半，因為我們是從……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你是簽1年半7,000萬是不是？還是1年7,000萬？"],["唐部長鳳：對，1年半，因為我們是從2022年中間開始……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以1年半7,000萬，是嗎？正確數字，是不是？"],["唐部長鳳：我記得是這樣子。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：1年半，不是1年喔。"],["唐部長鳳：我記得是這樣。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：是1年半7,000萬，好。接下來有人在質疑，您要中央的國有財產署把南門中繼市場的用地收回，有沒有這回事？"],["唐部長鳳：我們1月就已經確定沒有這件事了。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：沒有這回事？"],["陳院長建仁：對，因為臺北市政府已經不要了，不使用了，所以就……"],["唐部長鳳：而且我們也不是到華光，我們是到行政院旁邊的行一、行二。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：1.7億蓋的南門中繼市場拆除，花了1.7億現在拆除，傳聞是因為部長您要這一塊土地自己來蓋大樓，有沒有這回事？"],["陳院長建仁：那是臺北市政府不要……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：有沒有這回事？部長回答吧，因為你主辦……"],["唐部長鳳：是。我們今年1月……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：有沒有這回事？請教，你有沒有要這一塊地？"],["唐部長鳳：我沒有要華光這一塊地，我們今年1月就被通知……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你沒有要這一塊地？"],["唐部長鳳：我們今年1月就被通知，我們是到行政院旁邊的行一、行二……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：那為什麼會有公文說你要這塊地？而且臺北市政府數次跟國有財產署說讓我們延續、繼續，不要拆掉我們用1.7億蓋的中繼市場──南門市場。為什麼？"],["唐部長鳳：在去年的時候，國有財產署確實有來調查我們的意願，但是調查完之後到今年1月，我們已經收到行政院一個很明確的指示說，我們不是去華光而是到行一、行二……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：不是行政院的指示，本席是要請教，你有沒有要這一塊地？"],["陳院長建仁：委員……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：有沒有？部長請說明，數位部有沒有要這一塊地嘛？"],["唐部長鳳：我們數位部從頭到尾都是說，國有財產署給我們什麼永久的地，新光那邊我們就可以不要再租。"],["陳院長建仁：對，他們確實……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：那為什麼要拆掉這個市場呢？"],["陳院長建仁：這要問臺北市政府啊！這是臺北市政府不要……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：這個要問清楚啊！"],["陳院長建仁：所以本來臺北市政府在上個會期的時候……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：謝謝院長。部長，你上來是不是要說明？現在唐鳳部長說是你們問他們，那他說你給什麼地，他就要什麼地，但是外界有傳聞，本席不希望有任何的矛盾點，他是如此說，但是外界傳聞不是這樣，而是說唐鳳部長要求要這塊地，所以你要拆掉這個市場，有沒有這回事？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，那塊土地是國有的土地，然後是出租給臺北市……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：有沒有這回事，請說明。"],["莊部長翠雲：出租給臺北市作為南門市場的中繼市場，現在南門市場已經蓋完了，所以要搬回去了。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對啊！1.7億啊！"],["莊部長翠雲：這塊土地當時本來就是臺北市政府跟國有財產署租的嘛，租期也滿了，它不要用的時候當然要還。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對，它要申請延續，你們不准。"],["陳院長建仁：沒有！這個完全沒有！本來上次林昶佐委員有在大院這裡提到，希望他們能夠作為東門市場的中繼市場，因為東門市場要整修，後來他們沒有這個想法，他們自己不要，他們就自動把土地還給我們了！所以我覺得這個是好奇怪的議題。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你說好奇怪，我也覺得好奇怪。"],["陳院長建仁：是啊！我覺得很奇怪。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以本席一直認為，我們不希望社會有矛盾點，大家說明清楚，因為外界有傳聞，本席再說明一次，也就是唐鳳部長之前希望要這塊地來蓋大樓，但是現在又不要了，所以你現在也用7,000萬租了那個地方1年半，那你現在還會不會自己蓋自己的大樓呢？"],["陳院長建仁：我想這個你要問部長，因為我們行政院是通盤在考慮。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：院長，它是部啊！你會不會要再自己蓋大樓呢？"],["唐部長鳳：行一、行二是一個聯合的，就是很多個部會一起使用的地方，我們一向都是跟國產署說，我們現在是租新光，那國產署在任何時候指定我們去哪裡，我們就不用再租新光，我們一直是這個立場，並沒有說指定要去哪裡。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你們國產署會給他嗎？因為他現在的租約是1年半，你在1年半後會給他新的大樓嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：不是新的大樓，而是那一塊土地，因為行一、行二是整個我們在國有土地去盤點……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：那一塊要蓋到什麼時候呢？"],["莊部長翠雲：它是行政區，適合蓋辦公大樓，然後調配沒有自有辦公廳舍的機關去那邊蓋。"],["陳院長建仁：對。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好，院長，那這一塊地要多久時間可以給數位部自己的辦公大樓呢？"],["陳院長建仁：關於數位部的辦公大樓，剛才已經講得很清楚，就是行政院會做通盤的考量，如果……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：什麼時候呢？因為他現在租那個地方1年半要7,000萬啊！什麼時候？唐鳳部長，你應該要有所作為啊！"],["陳院長建仁：如果來不及的話，那就繼續要租用嘛！這個我們要看我們通盤的規劃。"],["莊部長翠雲：對。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：唐鳳部長，你是要繼續……"],["陳院長建仁：因為不是只有給數位部啦！"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好，沒關係，現在我們討論，你是要繼續一直租下去，還是希望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什麼時候呢因為他現在租啊他現在租一年半要7000萬啊沒有啊如果什麼時候 如果這個來不及的話 那就需要租用嘛這個我們要看我們通盤的規劃因為不是只有給數位部啦沒關係現在我們討論你是要繼續一直住下去還是希望你自己有大樓"},{"start":700.097,"end":720.171,"text":"我剛才有說了,任何時候國有財產署告訴我們說有哪個地方我們可以去,我們就那個時候就會再提出來。好,那院長他什麼時候可以去?那就要看我剛才講過啦,就是行一行二的那個大樓啊。什麼時候蓋好啊?有在規劃?有在規劃?要規劃多久?這個要看規劃的時間。會嗎?多久?七年會嗎?不會啦。要幾年?我想這個要看規劃的時間。沒有七年要幾年?"},{"start":730.567,"end":732.37,"text":"院長,本期要跟你討論一個HPV疫苗的問題。"},{"start":746.377,"end":768.932,"text":"因為孩子是我們的寶貝,您是公衛專家,我給你稱一個讚。您是第一位說HPV疫苗的公衛專家,您說了,您是第一位呼籲要男女共同一起,不要做半套。我們本身好不容易,因為現在少子化,每一個孩子都是國家的寶貝,更是父母的寶貝。"},{"start":769.913,"end":795.549,"text":"所以我來請求你我來拜託你在這幾年來我一直關注這樣的議題要讓孩子健康所以終於談判了讓女生我們的國中女生都施打了當時告訴我們說沒關係我們先從女生我也願意我也感謝那如果說女生有達到九成那我們就來考慮男生給院長報告換我給你報告說明我們已經達到九成多"},{"start":796.149,"end":823.867,"text":"你是公衛專家所以我今天務必要跟你討論這個問題因為我們看到美國30年來HPV的頭頸奶從16.3%增加到70%好恐怖耶這都是我們的寶貝耶日本10年來從45%提升到52%我們台灣現在30%因為口咽癌所以本席一直很難過的看到這個數字每一年增加的是6.9%"},{"start":825.865,"end":826.586,"text":"當然要領先嘛"},{"start":847.697,"end":855.925,"text":"你說要領先?當然要領先嘛對不對?我們看到美國70%日本帳我們每一年6.9%我都好緊張所以全國家長沒關係你不要那個70%是不好的領先我們要領先聯盟"},{"start":864.273,"end":887.294,"text":"議事長他自己本身也得到了他才充分知道說預防是多麼的重要而且他是全國家長協會的總會長所以在之前我們跨黨派藍綠白大家一起記者會公佈說我們已經達到了九成我們務必希望男生要做我們也做了一個統計我們也做了一個統計喔也就是"},{"start":889.11,"end":894.063,"text":"如果國中生來施打這個疫苗只要大概2.5億的經費"},{"start":895.998,"end":896.178,"text":"世界衛生組織"},{"start":922.449,"end":923.189,"text":"新總統準總統賴清德也喊出了投資未來世代"},{"start":937.947,"end":959.334,"text":"我相信防癌疫苗就是對我們投資年輕人的這個健康非常非常的重要所以我在這邊來拜託院長我希望我們之前所努力的已經達成成功女生已經是這個九成以上了而且我們成效也看到可以節省很多我們的資源"},{"start":959.974,"end":960.014,"text":"請教院長。"},{"start":985.455,"end":1007.631,"text":"好,委員你講得很好你是真的是公共衛生的專家也是預防醫學的專家那我現在要跟你回應的就是說我個人本身也是覺得應該男女都接種HPV的疫苗那在台灣呢實際上跟HPV比較有關係的口咽的部分的癌症是口咽癌啦不是口腔癌比較少口咽癌"},{"start":1008.912,"end":1028.349,"text":"所以在這個部分的話我們已經有請這個衛福部在研議那如果我們在現在盤算經費可以的話我們當然很樂意作為亞洲領先的國家因為我要問這個之前我也做功課我也特別跟薛部長我很讚許他他對於預防的部分他很支持"},{"start":1028.929,"end":1047.194,"text":"而且真的可以讓我們家長可以安心所以在院長你的答覆也就是我們同意讓我們HPV的疫苗的施打男生尤其他有一個精華時間打就國中時間我們趕快去爭取這個精華時間你同意全面來施打對不對我們會研議啦因為這個包括研議就是同意嘛"},{"start":1054.38,"end":1056.342,"text":"我希望在520之前,院長你有了這個成效,幫助我們所有的家長"},{"start":1067.649,"end":1090.937,"text":"讓我們的孩子健康,好嗎?院長。好啦,我想一下,那個研議的意思是說,你是要只打一個13歲,或者你要13到18歲都打。好,那我們一個原則也就是同意男生私打,那質疑方案請部長這邊盡快研議方案,好不好?我們請他盡快研議,如果可以的話我們就來推動。我們務必在520之前把政策拿出來,好不好?這個才是我們要的,謝謝。預算要編號明年。"},{"start":1094.817,"end":1112.291,"text":"接下來本席要請教你請回金鈴攤牌的這個問題是全球的這個選學裡頭2022年我們才公布2050年我們的路線策略等等那我們要怎麼跟台灣接軌不管怎麼樣我們還是要加油所以"},{"start":1113.012,"end":1132.056,"text":"國會議員"},{"start":1132.156,"end":1155.224,"text":"我們的成效在這四項的指標當中請說明我們在電動機車的部分7.1億以及你能源補充站922站1.8億你試乘的部分補助3500家的2.1億你的維修工具建置4500家2.2億現在目前的成效如何請告訴我比例"},{"start":1156.645,"end":1183.828,"text":"委員吼那因為委員提這個我們這個都有在積極進行當中那相關的你告訴我比例比例的部分我們是不是會後再給委員成效不彰沒有沒有這個其實都用的你當然要會後給我我知道你現在打不出來院長我提出這個意見也就是一個有違的政府你任何的政策提出你應該要去追蹤他的成效是怎麼樣不好的我們趕快加加就好"},{"start":1183.988,"end":1185.789,"text":"我也願意接受你這個盤點啦,你真有做得好,你知道答案啦。"},{"start":1204.934,"end":1226.605,"text":"接下來要把數字給本席113年你強化鼓勵購買電動車現在一台是保七千本來是說113年不來我們一直說你還是要努力所以一定也從善如流我們繼續補但是本席希望在你鼓勵購買電動機車以及增建能源補充設施的部分你要去加強"},{"start":1227.725,"end":1247.212,"text":"你要去加強,因為112年絕對沒有你預算數以及你預計的這個達標,所以去研議,哪裡不好的趕快去改善好不好?一定要趕快去努力,因為我們不希望年輕的孩子我們鼓勵他騎電動車,但是呢他要修車沒有地方"},{"start":1247.772,"end":1247.932,"text":"昨天我們跟"},{"start":1271.03,"end":1283.189,"text":"部長在經濟委員會唯一感謝藍綠白的委員全力的支持現階段330度以下民生不能漲院長部長有沒有告訴你下個月要漲價"},{"start":1284.886,"end":1309.097,"text":"呃,下個月我們會開電價審議委員會。 這個月要開啦。 喔,這個月要開,抱歉。 下個月要宣布說我好緊張欸。 對,不會啦。 因為... 不會,我想說... 不是,你不用緊張。 那... 我們在所有的電話、電費調整的過程當中都會按照一定的計畫會考慮到民生... 就是一定的... 署長沒告訴你嗎?"},{"start":1310.217,"end":1317.024,"text":"平均漲幅10%欸,創價歷史新高欸,從來沒有330度以下的還要...你聽我一起講,我好緊張,我的夜市怎麼辦了,330度以下還要漲,會漲嗎?會不會漲?"},{"start":1329.239,"end":1335.966,"text":"這要讓電價審議委員會來看看他的公平訊。 不要緊張,我們會很精細的來做相關的這個調整。 時間到了,中旬下旬就要開了,他們送出來的資料就是要漲,330度的民生用電要漲。"},{"start":1351.121,"end":1365.447,"text":"你知道這個訊息嗎?你知道經濟部送給審議委員會的方案嗎?部長還沒告訴你?院長不會知道方案。對,我會知道。難怪你不會緊張啊。我知道方案我很緊張啊。昨天部長說330度以下要轉。"},{"start":1370.968,"end":1371.388,"text":"昨天是委員：楊瓔"},{"start":1388.302,"end":1415.965,"text":"所以拜託我深深的拜託你我拜託你我因為我們在基層我們知道民生非常的痛苦薪資沒漲通膨的很嚴重你要一漲連330度的民生都漲你知道嗎你影響的產業會多少你的配套做好了沒有請教院長如果真如經濟部所送出來給審議委員會的你知道嗎你有將配套做好嗎請做說明"},{"start":1416.84,"end":1434.258,"text":"我們有相關的配套當然有而且很多的我剛才講過我們會很精準的來調整而且會考慮到才我拜託你330度以下我給你求好不好不能漲現階段不能漲啊你到我們夜市去看看啦"},{"start":1439.292,"end":1446.398,"text":"昨天我給部長,部長還笑,我說你不要笑!我們已經很痛苦了!你已經告訴我要漲多少了!"},{"start":1462.673,"end":1479.062,"text":"我可以回答嗎?我要在這裡很慎重地講,電費的調整一定會考慮到民生物資的需要,然後會考慮到使得物價也能夠不受到很大的影響,並且在不同的產業"},{"start":1480.223,"end":1483.364,"text":"你都會考慮到,謝謝院長你的回答我們的這個國防會主委在前前天我邀請他來做業務報告的時候電價漲的三大原則"},{"start":1507.974,"end":1509.836,"text":"穩定物價,你贊同吧?"},{"start":1509.836,"end":1512.097,"text":"贊成啊照顧民生,你贊同吧?"},{"start":1512.097,"end":1514.139,"text":"贊成兼顧產業,你贊同吧?"},{"start":1514.139,"end":1515.26,"text":"贊成就這三個原則?"},{"start":1515.26,"end":1518.362,"text":"對啊,我們就是按照這三個原則來挑嗎?"},{"start":1518.362,"end":1535.355,"text":"按照這三個原則,都說好不容易行政院統一版本所以在這樣的一個情況之下,330度以下我還是深刻的、非常誠意的拜託院長,330度以下的民生用電現階段不得漲,你可不可以答應我?"},{"start":1536.24,"end":1554.648,"text":"我一向尊重專業然後需要用專業的評估才能夠知道多少所以為什麼講電價審議委員會而且電價審議委員會這樣的機制也是行之多年當我們拒絕了專業只看個人的喜好來訂定電價是不合適的"},{"start":1556.349,"end":1574.98,"text":"本席具體要求這個議題我們有兩個結論第一個本席要求代表民意民生用電330度以下請限階段不可漲第二個你要漲的任何的相關的產業你的配套措施必須要拿出來好不好第一件事情我不能夠答應"},{"start":1576.54,"end":1588.131,"text":"因為這個就是要尊重電駕審議委員會,你不尊重專業,您個人就相反。我,我有權利要求,你有權利怎麼做,但是拜託以民生為主,好不好?謝謝,你們兩位請回。本席再請教。"},{"start":1593.539,"end":1618.576,"text":"個人弊傷呢,如果成為詐團的人頭呢,那這個目前是無法可管。 所以我給這個功課,我給這個功課。因為3月1號開始針對防堵銀行人頭戶的洗錢防治法新規定上路了。 這個我們非常的歡喜。但是如果對於個人弊傷的成為詐團人頭的部分呢,目前還是無解。 所以我具體要求,具體要求。"},{"start":1619.597,"end":1646.687,"text":"那麼因為詐騙集團如果是以加幣貨幣的錢包方式攜帶出去張款出去那我們也沒法可管你拼命點頭我也感謝所以我要拜託金管會這一邊你們要趕快去研議針對於關務署法務部金管會針對於這個個人幣的部分是不是納入在我們洗錢防治法裡頭請做說明"},{"start":1647.287,"end":1664.397,"text":"委員跟您報告有一家個人幣商被檢舉,他沒有申報洗錢房子,政局罰款了,所以不是沒有法可管,那當然洗房法或未來相關的法規是不是納入﹖那有法可是洗船法沒有啊﹖他如果用這樣子的高價然後帶出去你怎麼辦呢﹖有罰則﹖你們再去研議好不好﹖"},{"start":1667.158,"end":1688.928,"text":"關於這三個部份,院長在這裏,你的官務署,你的法務部,你的財政部,你的金管會都要去研議方案,好不好?研議方案給本席,謝謝。接下來本席要請教警務人員的身心健康。守護人民的保姆院長,你非常人心人數啊。我看到數字要流淚,2014年到2023年,我們有52位警員自殺。"},{"start":1694.96,"end":1706.649,"text":"我們又看到2016年數字是最多。我們又看到20歲到29歲呢是占最多。這都是北部的心肝寶貝捏。要培養出一個遠景這麼優秀。20歲到29歲是最多。"},{"start":1713.066,"end":1737.259,"text":"我們又看到自殺的部分呢20到29歲我說最多什麼3乘340到49歲這個2乘5在這樣的情況之下22個員警在近4年自殺的我們有列冊的只有5個所以本期具體要求我們應該要提高警務人員高風險對象識別的能力"},{"start":1739.147,"end":1754.934,"text":"那麼,針對於心理輔導的這個預算,你應該編給你旁邊站的部長。 對不對,你要馬兒跑,你必須要馬兒游草吃啊。你今天22個員警自殺,只有5個有列車輔導過,怎麼辦?我很難過。"},{"start":1760.992,"end":1773.147,"text":"所以你要不要去增加他們的心理智商的預算?需要!請部長、院長,我說他是很人心人數的人用數字直話亮話告訴我們問題點在哪裡?"},{"start":1776.021,"end":1793.488,"text":"我們去年實際上這方面的預算已經有增加,但是我們會繼續來精進,來落實這個自殺的防止。好不好?部長,院長全力支持,我們一起來讓我們的員警他能夠放心,讓他的家屬能夠放心。對不對?22個自殺,只有5個是列車輔導。"},{"start":1797.47,"end":1810.635,"text":"所以我們做的還不夠我們還有勞動當然努力了但是還有精進的所以首先預算要給他們增加好不好心理諮商心理輔導的部分"},{"start":1811.881,"end":1812.742,"text":"我們來看看他們的需求"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}