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凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":277.433,"end":303.754,"text":"這中央政府的意思是什麼?因為我們這次從台來,因為那裡整個外產廠算白痴痴,就刷所以那個硬啊,直接打下去就把刷子往裡面又內推回去所以不斷的內推,然後也造成整個東石的外海這邊開始就是內陸化,這個害不起來所以這個就影響到了未來整個,不管是我們的漁業啦,不管是養科產業,全部都受影響"},{"start":304.935,"end":313.066,"text":"所以主委我覺得那個預計船都根本進出都沒辦法對阿我們目前是用載我們目前的計劃用載為布地槓或是說要為婚姻八岡溪那裡清出來的土都載過去"},{"start":321.678,"end":323.339,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．"},{"start":347.493,"end":362.3,"text":"不然我們現在做的很多方式有點在做白工而我們也花了我們預算在這幾年我們大概會投入10億來做外山頂洲的固砂但是我很擔心這樣的預算的投入會變成白工會做白工"},{"start":365.909,"end":385.254,"text":"主委,這件事我看你都思考一下。 主委,這件事我看你都思考一下。我們那天相關的單位都有在那裡。 主委,這件事我看你都思考一下。我們那天相關的單位都有在那裡。 主委,這件事我看你都思考一下。我們那天相關的單位都有在那裡。 主委,這件事我看你都思考一下。我們那天相關的單位都有在那裡。 主委,這件事我看你都思考一下。我們那天相關的單位都有在那裡。 主委,這件事我看你都思考一下。我們那天相關的單位都有在那裡。 主委,這件事我看你都思考一下。我們那天相關的單位都有在那裡。 主委,這件事我看你都思考一下"},{"start":385.914,"end":410.506,"text":"生態工法我覺得很好,因為大概就是用一些石籠,石籠然後在水那邊把它固定住,也是他也是希望從這個根底這邊把沙Q掉,不對我們現在知道說,它除了會比較沙的,因為這個海的長浪很強嘛,會把沙往內推,但是沙除了長浪再往內推之外,最主要是島上的沙留不住。"},{"start":411.906,"end":416.949,"text":"主委我跟您報告,您想說我們教育他也婚姻的,他對婚姻,對婚姻感情那些不會說的,我們這裡王美惠、黃婕、我,我們三個會選自己做的"},{"start":441.069,"end":459.904,"text":"阿所以齁因為這個外山頂座我剛才講這個淤沙齁這一個淤沙的狀況變成雲林跟嘉義我們的漁港包括布袋山港都是嚴重的都嚴重的淤積嚴重的積積我現在看到海巡有兩艘齁雄帶鋪路的海巡艦嘉義艦4000萬噸級今天擺雲林艦4000噸40004000噸級對吧4000噸4000"},{"start":467.95,"end":468.592,"text":"海洋委員會函，請查照案。"},{"start":477.125,"end":477.785,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告。"},{"start":501.64,"end":522.769,"text":"所以我覺得我們有時候要正視這個問題就是外山頂洲的固沙然後也要配合這些漁港漁港的傾沙因為這些漁港如果照法令規定他們都要保持1.5米的一個深度目前比較深的時候差不多1米啦比較淺的時候可能都差不多60公分那個基準要處理很危險的"},{"start":527.049,"end":534.757,"text":"所以這也是變成一個問題,我們清沙每當開機都開幾個清盤在那裡清,我們沒辦法改過問題,所以這個問題都蹊蹺作會我覺得我們大家正式問題我們來推出一個外山頂洲的固沙及漁港清淤的特別條例"},{"start":550.653,"end":553.155,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":580.613,"end":581.374,"text":"請查照案。"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}