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11:34:51","會議時間":"2024-03-15T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第5次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。\n二、3月15日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n三、3月19日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","gazette":{"lineno":947,"blocks":[["陳委員玉珍：（11時19分）主席，有請陳院長。"],["主席：請陳院長備詢。"],["陳院長建仁：陳委員午安。"],["陳委員玉珍：院長好，昨天大陸漁船在金門海域又翻覆了。"],["陳院長建仁：是，東碇。"],["陳委員玉珍：令人難過，這次兩岸有共同去搜救，展示了善意，我們國防部也派蛙人下去協助搜救，海巡方面也是，就是日夜有在幫忙搜救，我們也搜救起了1位大陸的漁民，雖然已經往生了。"],["陳院長建仁：對。"],["陳委員玉珍：這個部分，陸方在進入我國相關海域的時候，也有跟我們臺北的任務管制中心通報，也有跟海巡聯繫。這事實上是很久以來兩岸之間，至少在金廈小兩岸之間，兩邊的執法單位以前是共同執法，後來還有共同海上搜救的相關作為，事實上這就是我們說的一種善的累積啦！"],["陳院長建仁：沒有錯。"],["陳委員玉珍：兩岸之間事實上……"],["陳院長建仁：國際人道救援。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，就是需要這種善的累積。因為根據海峽兩岸海運協議第七點，事實上就有提到了，雙方要積極推動海上搜救打撈機構的合作，建立搜救的聯繫合作機制，保障海上航行人身安全，海難事故即時通報，就近互相協助。我們看到昨天管主委也有提出相關的歉意，雖然是比較晚，但是至少表達我方這邊的人道關懷。"],["陳院長建仁：我們還蠻即時的，收到通知以後，我們的船到那邊的時間是比大陸的……"],["陳委員玉珍：我說管主委那個是針對上一次214事件。"],["陳院長建仁：喔。"],["陳委員玉珍：314這一次我們是很快地兩方有……當然我們不希望這樣的事情一再發生，但是……"],["陳院長建仁：我們一向釋出善意。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，這樣善意的累積，事實上對……"],["陳院長建仁：會。"],["陳委員玉珍：至少在小兩岸之間是有幫助的，很多東西是需要默契和善意，您支持這個想法嘛？"],["陳院長建仁：我完全支持，我昨天在行政院院會裡面就請管主委轉達我對海巡署同仁的嘉勉，然後希望兩岸透過這樣善意的合作，特別是在國際人道救援部分的合作，展現出我們確實有很好的善意，希望雙方要有健康有序的交流，使雙方的漁民都能夠得到保障。"],["陳委員玉珍：謝謝院長。那我想請問陳院長，您支不支持一國兩制？"],["陳院長建仁：當然不支持。"],["陳委員玉珍：當然不支持嘛！"],["陳院長建仁：嗯。"],["陳委員玉珍：那你支持在中華民國、在臺澎金馬地區實施一國兩制嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：我……"],["陳委員玉珍：不支持嘛？"],["陳院長建仁：臺澎……"],["陳委員玉珍：一定不支持嘛！"],["陳院長建仁：我們沒有一國兩制啦！我們沒有一國兩制。"],["陳委員玉珍：那我想請問陳院長，您是高雄人，對吧？"],["陳院長建仁：嗯。"],["陳委員玉珍：高雄人，你從高雄帶水餃、餛飩，上臺北的時候需不需要經過檢查？"],["陳院長建仁：不要啊！"],["陳委員玉珍：不用嘛！"],["陳院長建仁：嗯。"],["陳委員玉珍：那你知道從金門帶水餃、帶餛飩，水餃、扁食、拭餅，即清明節吃的那個拭餅、潤餅，還有很多，如廣東粥、燒餅，很多都要經過檢查，您知道嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：我想很重要的就是檢疫的關係。"],["陳委員玉珍：檢疫的關係？我們金門人帶東西，從金門島帶到臺灣島來，為什麼要經過檢驗、檢疫？這個問題，我在這裡問了至少3次以上，之前說雞蛋，為什麼我們金門人帶雞蛋，之前說帶雞蛋，還被民進黨批評雞蛋這是多小的事情啊！我在問這個雞蛋的事情。現在開放到可以帶20顆啦！"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員說明，整個金門地區跟臺灣本島的部分，金門地區的偶蹄類，它是打疫苗的非疫區，臺灣是不施打疫苗的非疫區……"],["陳委員玉珍：我知道，你都說了。這個事實上上次陳吉仲也回答過很多次，他的回答是這樣，我告訴你他的回答，他說因為鳥、侯鳥會飛到金門，所以金門這些東西，因為金門離大陸很近，所以金門很多東西都要檢疫，那時候是說雞蛋的部分。"],["陳代理部長駿季：沒有，這是風險之一。"],["陳委員玉珍：這是一個風險……"],["陳代理部長駿季：但是目前金門……"],["陳委員玉珍：第二個就是我們離那邊近嘛！"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，那現在因為是……"],["陳委員玉珍：大陸是疫區，我們不是啊！我們也不是禽流感疫區啊！這個也問過很多次了。我要講的是，追根究柢，你們就沒有把我們當作臺澎金馬的一個地區……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我想我跟……"],["陳委員玉珍：你怎麼不把高雄也給劃一下……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員說明，我昨天特別才去金門。"],["陳委員玉珍：我知道你……"],["陳代理部長駿季：從農業的部分，我們不會因為它的所在地而有不同的差別待遇，這是第一個。"],["陳委員玉珍：什麼東西？再講一次，什麼東西不會差別待遇？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們農業在施政的輔導跟協助的部分……"],["陳院長建仁：對，沒有差別。"],["陳代理部長駿季：不會因為地區的不一樣……"],["陳委員玉珍：可是對於農產品能不能帶，對於高雄的產品可不可以帶到臺北，你沒有意見，對於金門產品能不能帶到臺北卻有意見！"],["陳代理部長駿季：相關產品的互動，就是流通的部分，它最重要的就是防檢疫的一個問題，如果防檢疫沒有問題……"],["陳委員玉珍：是，所以金門的東西就比較可能有疫情的問題，對不對？我們也沒有禽流感喔！當初你們臺南、高雄、屏東都有禽流感，這個沒有錯吧？我說的是事實吧？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我想禽流感的部分……"],["陳委員玉珍：那時候還限制我們雞蛋……"],["陳代理部長駿季：會根據它的風險高低嘛！所以我們是針對風險的高低去處理。"],["陳委員玉珍：我們那個地方沒有禽流感，你們有禽流感，你怎麼不把屏東的雞蛋、高雄的雞蛋限制不能帶去臺北？我們金門沒有禽流感，為什麼金門的雞蛋不能帶來臺北？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我想因為金門是……"],["陳委員玉珍：一國兩制！"],["陳代理部長駿季：比較靠近大陸，大陸……"],["陳委員玉珍：對啦！就說我們靠近大陸嘛！"],["陳代理部長駿季：那大陸……"],["陳委員玉珍：你們離大陸就很遠喔？"],["陳代理部長駿季：大陸本身的雞，牠是有打疫苗的部分，那相對的……"],["陳委員玉珍：大陸是大陸，金門是金門啊！金門是中華民國，你搞清楚！我要講的是，我可以理解，如果是很大量的東西，你限制了，我雖然可以理解，但是我要講的是……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們現在已經開放自用了，20顆以內。"],["陳委員玉珍：沒錯，你開放自用，然後你還有規定。院長，你知道這個規定嗎？我講給你聽，你就知道是怎麼開放自用的！比如說之前要帶雞蛋，因為臺灣有巴西蛋，大家很擔心，我們金門自己養土雞，阿公、阿嬤想自己帶20顆雞蛋來臺灣，怎麼開放自用法？我跟你講怎麼開放自用法：坐飛機以前要先把雞蛋帶到檢疫所去檢查，可以的話，開了證明才可以帶。我們趕飛機的時候還要這樣做！還有扁食（餛飩）、水餃，也都要帶到檢疫所檢查，然後才可以搭機。這樣叫什麼開放啊！"],["陳代理部長駿季：不是，這個還是檢疫的問題，而且我們檢疫站本身為民服務是做到位的，你可以去問金門的農民，有沒有人在反對的。"],["陳委員玉珍：部長，我要跟你說，你昨天才剛剛去金門，你不要給金門人帶來更多不便！大量的你要限制，OK，我們配合你，這種自用的、小量的，像是20顆扁食、30顆雞蛋，你都要百姓一樣一樣帶到檢疫所，連買金門很有名的廣東粥、燒餅什麼的，都還要店裡先去登記，然後才可以帶上飛機，你知道嗎？你們要做多少這種擾民的動作？你太給金門人不便了！如果對高雄也這樣，我們就照這樣做！"],["陳代理部長駿季：因為它是一個……"],["陳委員玉珍：我跟你講，我都知道理由，因為這個問題我問過很多次了，所以院長，我要問你……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們會提高我們的服務。"],["陳委員玉珍：我問院長！我請問你，高雄你也給我這樣做，可不可以？你這是一國兩制嘛！你不是說你不支持一國兩制嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：每一個地區的風險不一樣，我們對高風險的地方……"],["陳委員玉珍：那我請問你，院長，你也是院士！陳院長，以前屏東（那時候的院長是屏東人）有禽流感，金門沒有，為什麼屏東的雞蛋你不給我檢查之後才可以上臺北？你為什麼不幫我檢查？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員說明，禽流感一發生，移動管制以後，周圍3公里的部分全部是管制的，所以……"],["陳委員玉珍：對，那它的雞蛋出來要檢查嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：所以它不會去做移動的部分。"],["陳委員玉珍：那請問那時要把屏東的雞蛋帶到臺北，需要在哪個關卡檢查？你可以告訴我嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：這牽涉到如果發生禽流感，會有限制移動的管制。"],["陳委員玉珍：對嘛！你整個金門都限制嘛！但是屏東某個養雞場……"],["陳代理部長駿季：因為金門本身是一個離島，風險是不一樣的，風險有分等級。"],["陳委員玉珍：我知道，因為我們是一個島，就曾經發生過我們整個島全都被封起來，跟以前的軍事管制一樣，全島大演習，大家都不要出門嘛！所以我說行政院陳院長，你口口聲聲說你不支持一國兩制，但是你要知道，你們臺北這邊對我們的待遇就跟對高雄不一樣……"],["陳院長建仁：我想……"],["陳委員玉珍：你們就在實施一國兩制！"],["陳院長建仁：我想……"],["陳委員玉珍：限制已經很久了！我希望……"],["陳院長建仁：我想檢疫的方式……"],["陳委員玉珍：我希望520之後繼續見到你，你也是這方面的專家，幫我們研究一下，自用、少量的部分不要再這麼擾民了！大量的我也支持你，OK，我配合你的政策；少量的二、三十顆雞蛋或一盒水餃，你不要再限制了啦！"],["陳院長建仁：委員，檢疫不是這樣，像非洲豬瘟要檢疫的時候，甚至……"],["陳委員玉珍：你不要跟我講那些東西！我要跟你講一國之內，境外的你不要跟我討論！"],["陳院長建仁：一樣啊！我在講檢疫的科學……"],["陳委員玉珍：那是境外的！境外的！境外的！金門是境內！"],["陳院長建仁：檢疫的科學就是這樣……"],["陳委員玉珍：金門是境內！你到底有沒有聽懂？金門是中華民國的一部分！"],["陳院長建仁：但是風險不一樣啊！"],["陳委員玉珍：你以後只要高雄給我做一樣的限制，我也就沒有意見了！","好，限制的講完了，我們來講開創的。院長，你知道金門的離島是歸哪個單位管理？相關的法令、建設、經費，是哪個單位在管理？哪個部會？"],["陳院長建仁：我們有離島的這個……"],["陳委員玉珍：哪個部會？離島建設條例是哪個部會主管啦！你到現在還不知道！連你都不知道！哇！院長耶！他都站上來了。"],["龔主任委員明鑫：離島建設是我們主管的。"],["陳委員玉珍：國發會喔！"],["龔主任委員明鑫：對。院長應該知道，離島建設條例。"],["陳委員玉珍：院長，我先請教，我們中華民國憲法有規定對原住民族的保障，增修條文有寫，對於原住民族的教育、文化、相關的經濟都要予以保障，「對於澎湖、金門及馬祖地區人民亦同」就是說對我們金門的保障是被規定在中華民國憲法裡頭的。我想請問院長，原住民有自己的原住民族委員會，前幾天我聽到新住民麥玉珍委員問你說要成立新住民委員會，對不對？你說中央行政機關組織基準法，不夠嚒，是不是？"],["陳院長建仁：對，三級機關已經滿了啦！"],["陳委員玉珍：已經滿了，對不對？"],["陳院長建仁：對。"],["陳委員玉珍：那以前那個什麼促轉會啦！黨產會啦！它是怎麼成立的？說什麼促轉會不受行政院組織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