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15:49:19","會議時間":"2024-03-19T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第5次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。\n二、3月15日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n三、3月19日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","gazette":{"lineno":1346,"blocks":[["邱委員鎮軍：（15時34分）有請院長還有王部長。"],["主席：麻煩再請陳院長備詢，還有請交通部備詢。"],["陳院長建仁：邱委員好。"],["邱委員鎮軍：院長好。我想請教一下院長，王部長上任到下個月就應該有3年了，但是最近交通的問題、狀況連連，交通部一直是民眾最不滿意的部會。我想請問一下院長，您給部長打幾分？"],["陳院長建仁：我從來不為我的閣員打分數，我覺得他們都兢兢業業地在做福國利民的工作，很棒。我們現在確實也積極在處理交通的問題，你現在講的……"],["邱委員鎮軍：院長，您不打分數也沒關係。"],["陳院長建仁：但你這個數字是比較……"],["邱委員鎮軍：我現在沒有要求您一定要打分數。我想要告訴王部長，你有一個好長官、非常照顧你們的長官，但是民眾也需要一個非常好的部長，能夠顧及民眾生命安全的好部長。去年交通事故再度比前年成長了大概2.7萬件，達到40.3萬件，同時死傷的人數也增添四萬多人，達到54萬人，成長了37%，雙雙創下歷史新高。對於這樣的道安成績，我想請問一下院長，您滿意嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：我覺得我們還有需要精進、再加強改進的地方。"],["邱委員鎮軍：為了改善交通安全，我們訂立道路交通安全基本法，落實交通3E政策，包括工程面、教育面以及執法面。"],["陳院長建仁：對。"],["邱委員鎮軍：以前都是過於偏重執法面。我想請教部長，今年在改善交通工程面是否已經有具體的政策？這一次的重點是什麼？"],["王部長國材：去年死亡人數降了41人，就是最嚴重的部分降了41人，當然死傷如委員所講的有增加，這是我們必須來改善的。今年有幾個，第一個就是您提的交通安全基本法已經跨部會合作的這件事情。第二個、關於行人的部分，現在除了內政部草擬行人交通安全設施條例以外，另外就是我們的永續提升行人安全計畫，4年400億都要來改善建設，今年已經有799個路口在處理。"],["邱委員鎮軍：成效怎麼樣？"],["王部長國材：最近的1、2月死亡人數有降低。"],["邱委員鎮軍：不，我是指執行改善的部分，400億執行的成績怎麼樣？"],["王部長國材：今年總共799處，我們全額補助地方來做。"],["邱委員鎮軍：因為我看到在交通工程面，很多專家、民團都在呼籲退縮行穿線以及設置庇護島，這個部分有的地方是有在做，但有很多地方還沒有完成。部長可不可以儘速制定專案來補助全國危險路口行穿線的退縮？"],["陳院長建仁：這個已經有了。"],["王部長國材：這個有。"],["陳院長建仁：部長跟你說一下。"],["王部長國材：事實上，以苗栗來講，你們現在趕快申請，我們都會補助。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好，謝謝。"],["王部長國材：我們現在跟內政部都在等你們來申請，真的！因為院長有給一筆經費，現在你們申請的真的不夠多。"],["邱委員鎮軍：因為苗栗縣真的是財政非常困難，請部裡多多協助。"],["王部長國材：今年是全額補助。"],["陳院長建仁：委員，我打岔1分鐘。實際上，道路設施的改善是地方政府要做，地方政府提出計畫這一年內是百分之百由中央來補助，所以我到每一個縣市都希望縣市長還有立法委員，能夠積極鼓勵縣市政府趕快來申請這一筆經費，把道路都修得更好，設施改善得更好。"],["邱委員鎮軍：蔡英文總統上任的時候，有一個政策叫做浪漫台3線，部長有實際騎過或者是開車從那邊經過嗎？"],["王部長國材：有。"],["邱委員鎮軍：感覺怎麼樣？"],["王部長國材：有很多轉彎的地方，彎道比較大，大致的路況還OK。"],["邱委員鎮軍：台3線苗栗段的風景是很棒的，路也非常的大，彎道深淺差非常多，是騎士非常喜愛的一個地方，但是常常發生車禍，一摔都很嚴重，部長知道這個嗎？"],["王部長國材：瞭解，委員所提的這部分，就是過去重機在那邊飆速，很多都跑到對向導致車禍，也發生死亡車禍。"],["邱委員鎮軍：現在台3線被騎士稱為「絕命彎道」，部長，這個跟我們蔡總統的政策差距非常大，為了要給我們蔡英文總統一個面子，交通部對於台3線的部分，有沒有一個具體的改善作為？"],["王部長國材：台3線在苗栗大概有三個彎道，我們現在正在改善，如果以委員提到的這個103.6K，第一個，因為去年在綠世界那邊發生一個死亡車禍，所以我們現在也在做這個所謂的充水式護欄……"],["邱委員鎮軍：我知道你們現在的作法……"],["王部長國材：對，對，對。"],["邱委員鎮軍：我覺得非常奇怪，就是我們現在畫了槽化線，當然，也在中央的部分設置分隔島……"],["王部長國材：對，充水式護欄。"],["邱委員鎮軍：護欄嘛！裝了護欄，當然這個是要減少撞擊的力道，只是讓人摔得不那麼痛，但也不保證不會死，部裡面沒有更具體、更能夠一次解決的辦法嗎？"],["王部長國材：另外一個就是執法，比如地方警察要不要在這個地方設速限。"],["邱委員鎮軍：因為那個彎道過彎，落差非常大，車子在那邊的時候，就算你這麼做，也不能保證以後不會發生問題，對不對？"],["陳院長建仁：我想很重要的就是駕駛人一定要在彎道很彎的地方……"],["邱委員鎮軍：院長，當然駕駛自己要注意安全沒有錯……"],["陳院長建仁：是。"],["邱委員鎮軍：但是一直在那個地方出現同樣的問題，我們是不是要檢討這個道路的設計問題？"],["陳院長建仁：對，所以剛才部長有說做了相關的護欄等等，如果這樣的設計還不足以解決這個問題的時候，當然要更進一步去看要怎麼樣改進。"],["邱委員鎮軍：還是院長覺得你們有定一個標準而我們不知道，就是說要事故發生多少次，要摔死多少人，才願意去改善這個問題？"],["陳院長建仁：沒有，不會這樣子。"],["王部長國材：不會，不會有這種狀況。台3線比較靠山，因為地形緣故，所以它會比較彎繞，這是它本身跟台1線不一樣的地方，但最重要就是管理面的部分，比如過去我們在這些彎道的地方也有做區間測速照相，讓它減速。"],["邱委員鎮軍：這樣子啦！部長，這樣好不好？找一天，我陪你一起去台3線走一走，我們去現場看一看，看看能不能重新調整這個彎道的高低差，還有線形，請部長來協助處理，可以嗎？"],["王部長國材：如果委員有這個安排，我可以去看一下。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好，謝謝部長。","再來，國道1號楊頭段總工程經費1,314億已經定案了，目前頭份有兩個構想，第一個，增設頭份第二交流道部分，將視可行性評估辦理，適時納入本計畫裡面。請問部長，這個部分有要納入楊頭段的這個工程裡嗎？"],["王部長國材：目前是單獨在進行，楊頭是另外……"],["陳院長建仁：另外的。"],["王部長國材：就是它是……"],["邱委員鎮軍：所以是分開來做就對了？"],["王部長國材：對，對，它現在是個別……"],["邱委員鎮軍：那頭份第二交流道的部分怎麼處理？已經審議通過了啊！"],["王部長國材：頭份第二交流道現在在進行中。"],["邱委員鎮軍：現在進度到哪裡？"],["陳院長建仁：苗栗縣政府已經完成可行性評估，現在是按照審查意見在修正當中。"],["邱委員鎮軍：所以這部分會比楊頭高架快還是慢？"],["陳院長建仁：因為兩個是分開在處理的……"],["王部長國材：應該會在119年完工，就是頭份第二交流道在119年完工，楊頭應該比它晚一點，因為楊頭比較長。"],["邱委員鎮軍：比較晚一點？"],["王部長國材：對，比較長，而這個是一個交流道而已。"],["邱委員鎮軍：我們希望這個部分能儘快，因為目前頭份交流道的問題，在上下班時段真的非常擁擠，造成民眾非常大的不方便，請部長多多協助。另外，我想請問部長，全臺灣的72線都能夠接國道1號，都有跟國道連接，唯獨我們苗栗縣沒有，部長對這個部分有沒有什麼想法？"],["王部長國材：目前全國大概就是後龍─汶水部分，因為它當時是沿河岸興建，所以的確不只跟國1沒有連接，跟國3也沒有交集。另外一條是台68，台68也類似。"],["邱委員鎮軍：台68已經同意了嘛！"],["王部長國材：對，台68會接高架的部分，但是這裡談到台72跟國1本身的交接是平行的，然後它有高低的落差，在這麼近的距離要作業不容易啦！"],["邱委員鎮軍：不一定要在那一段啊，當然如果部長有這個心，我們會請苗栗縣政府做一個完整的計畫。"],["王部長國材：現在台72是接到台61，目前要接台61，所以它事實上也可以透過這樣……"],["邱委員鎮軍：它有接到沒錯，但是我們是希望它能夠接到國道。"],["王部長國材：台72還沒有接到台61，現在準備要接台61。"],["邱委員鎮軍：它是要接台61我知道，我現在是講國道。"],["王部長國材：但是這個工程上有一些困難，因為這兩個是平行，而且有高低差。"],["邱委員鎮軍：是不是部裡面能夠給我們縣府一些經費來做一個評估，我們自己另覓一個適當的地點來完成這件事情？"],["王部長國材：我想如果地方想要先針對這些困難去研究，我覺得應該OK。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好，謝謝部長。","另外還有一件事情，就是竹南、頭份的人口數一直在成長，目前加起來總共大概有19萬人，但是頭份、竹南這邊的民眾如果要辦監理站的業務，必須要到苗栗市去。說實在的，這個路程總共大概要15公里左右，來回大概將近一個小時，這樣子非常不方便。我當然知道現在苗栗縣監理站有在頭份市駐點一個月兩次，總共四個小時，提供簡易的監理服務；衛生所也是一個月四個小時，只有照顧高齡的長者。因為這邊人口數持續在成長，是不是有由我們地方來找土地，然後部裡面協助來做一個分站的可能性呢？"],["王部長國材：跟委員報告，關於這件事情，目前是不是先採頭份市公所跟衛生所兩個禮拜一天的這種方式，如果不夠的話，我們可以考慮時間再多一點，先從這裡來做，因為從我們組織的架構來看，苗栗監理站它還是新竹監理所下面的一個單位，所以它要設置的確在人力組織上有一些困難，但是我們可以從派駐……"],["邱委員鎮軍：可是你這樣增派人手不是等於人手還是要有啊！"],["王部長國材：現在就是每兩個禮拜有一天嘛，現在變成完整的一天，那我們就看有多少人要使用，如果多的話，我們再慢慢增加它進駐的天數，這個我們再來……"],["邱委員鎮軍：你這樣改，我這樣講啦，你有些在頭份、有些在竹南，那你的人力不是也一樣要很多人？如果你在頭份和竹南中間選一個點，是不是可以節省人力，你反而不會這麼麻煩啊！"],["王部長國材：看需求啦，比如說你們現在是苗栗監理站……這要看需求，如果未來在頭份、竹南有這麼大的需求，才有辦法再設一個類似監理站啦！目前是不是我們先從派駐人力的方式，如果真的……"],["邱委員鎮軍：需求一定很大，這不用考慮。"],["王部長國材：所以要試看看，先試看看。"],["邱委員鎮軍：你看人口數就知道它未來會更多，你讓頭份、竹南的鄉親為了辦一個業務統統要跑到監理站來，真的是非常不方便。如果你分開兩地來增加服務時間的話，那何不找一個地方來設置一個分站呢？"],["王部長國材：這個長期好不好？現在就是從衛生所這個部分我們先處理，然後……"],["邱委員鎮軍：你要增加多少班？"],["王部長國材：目前也是兩個禮拜增加一個下午，然後我們看那個需求再來調整，如果量真的到要設立一個監理站，那時候我們再來進行，這樣好不好？"],["邱委員鎮軍：那部長這邊可以承諾嗎？可以吧？我們先……"],["王部長國材：先走第一階段。"],["邱委員鎮軍：謝謝部長，謝謝院長。"],["陳院長建仁：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝邱委員鎮軍的質詢，也謝謝陳院長的備詢。","接下來我們請登記第6號邱委員志偉質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":156,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-5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