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校幾乎都有幼兒園就2到6歲很像都有複設不過0到2歲的是0現在是完全沒有0到2是我們就衛福部的分工2到6是我們教育部處理但是2到6部分我們基本上偏向我們一定會努力去做處理你有聽過教保中心嗎有目前是幾家"},{"start":277.188,"end":293.439,"text":"目前13家我記得是在兩年前是11家現在13家也就是說他一年只增加了一家那全國原住民有多少個鄉鎮有沒有想過要怎麼把他迅速的給他補足呢應該是跟委員說明就是說不是說他不是普設的概念"},{"start":294.039,"end":314.814,"text":"我們部落教保中心是針對說如果他那個地方他沒有公幼那或者是說他部落因為有交通或是他文化語言的需求他去設置所以我們目前有找兩個團體在輔導去設立部落中心那就會增加當地的需求目前是有找一個互助教保協會那還有找台中大學在協助做一個輔導設立的動作"},{"start":317.439,"end":332.397,"text":"那我知道比較成功的是屏東縣的平和部落那你如果說他非常成功的話你能不能請他們當作一個新興的一個所謂的教材或者說當個衛星老師去各個地區來做一個宣導"},{"start":338.584,"end":348.674,"text":"每年定期進行偏鄉及原住民部落的教保需求調查第二、落實幼教法第10條回應偏鄉及部落教保"},{"start":349.335,"end":365.989,"text":"服務需求、增設部落互助式教保服務中心滿足偏鄉級部落2到6歲幼兒的教保服務需求。」第三個就是正式部落0到2歲公共托育家園的意願,因為0到2歲就是沒有這樣的資源,可以嗎?"},{"start":368.647,"end":383.135,"text":"跟委員報告剛委員秀的那兩個部落其實我們現在本來就是希望在原來的2到6歲這個部分怎麼再去增加0到2歲的照顧就是我們知道在部落偏鄉"},{"start":384.095,"end":411.554,"text":"實際上小孩沒有那麼多所以其實可以零到六做整合所以剛剛那兩個地方我們現在是先來做一個示範那如果可以的話就是未來教育部的大概什麼時候呢我可以給他們好消息嗎已經在討論在啟動已經有在啟動了在啟動對對那我們就希望從這兩個示範之後未來在偏鄉在原住民的地區我們可以零到6歲一起那我回去後就會問他們因為我住在那個社區喔是是是好謝謝"},{"start":416.005,"end":419.29,"text":"好,謝謝,謝謝魯仙怡委員接下來我們請廖偉祥委員進行質詢"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}