{"error":false,"id":["150290"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":150290,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150290","日期":"2024-03-22","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"院會-11-1-6","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第1會期第6次會議","屆":11,"會期":1,"會次":6,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"院會","標題":"立法院第11屆第1會期第6次會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2024-03-22T14:30:31+08:00","結束時間":"2024-03-22T14:46:17+08:00","影片長度":"00:15:46","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7c8e4f03b048d09e6b44bc35f5ac576afd9d093a04e30914f8ba9b0039caa7a64568268f2da45e0f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"吳琪銘","委員發言時間":"14:30:31 - 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