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market，院長，你有沒有去過寧夏夜市？"],["陳院長建仁：很早以前，現在沒有空。"],["羅委員明才：我好喜歡臺灣的夜市，很多的外國朋友說：哇，臺灣unique，好棒的地方喔！最重要的是臺灣人熱情；第二個，食材、美食好多喔；最重要一點是便宜！但是院長，曾幾何時呀，糟糕！現在一碗滷肉飯要多少錢？"],["陳院長建仁：我很少吃滷肉飯，很抱歉。"],["羅委員明才：一碗現在漲到六十幾塊啦，我的天呀！更不要說是炸雞、或者是臺灣知名的珍珠奶茶。我們現在都很害怕、擔心，過去我們覺得很驕傲，帶人去夜市走一走，口袋裡有一、兩千塊就能吃飽又滿足又高興；但是現在大家「剉咧等」！有人說：委員，怎麼辦？聽說電價要飆漲啦！院長，電價一飆漲，漲個10%、11%就萬物齊漲，老百姓受不了啊！"],["陳院長建仁：我不同意這種講法。"],["羅委員明才：所以我前幾天在財委會提了一個案就是紅標米酒暫時凍漲，我覺得財政部部長也從善如流、所有的委員都支持，就決定凍漲！所以本席在這裡請教院長，可不可以考量多數民眾生活不容易，就如同過去的韓市長、現在的韓院長所說：莫忘世上苦人多！其實這句話我每一次質詢都放在心裡，臺灣百工百業現在是非常的辛苦，人民都是嗷嗷待哺。","所以本席建議院長第一個要做的，就是今年每個人的紅包1萬塊不要縮水，拜託、拜託！去年大家領到6,000塊有點感謝……"],["陳院長建仁：不可能！"],["羅委員明才：今年每個人發1萬塊聊表心意，雖然是杯水車薪，因為電價10%一漲下去了以後，哇，全民苦哈哈！"],["陳院長建仁：委員，你這樣是亂開支票，每人1萬塊要2,350億，而去年的歲入歲出盈餘在今年來算是2,670億，有5%要還債，剩下來只有1,500億，所以你講1萬塊，那個是空口說白話、是完全不可行的事情啦！而且政府更重要的是，這一些剩下來的錢就來補貼電價啊，所以我們給台電啊！你不是說電價不能漲，漲了以後物價會上漲，那為什麼不來補貼電價呢？再來，勞保不足，我們為什麼不補貼勞保呢？這樣照顧的人更多，所以政府在行政的時候，不會隨隨便便說要花多少錢，這是不負責任的作法。"],["羅委員明才：所以院長現在是怕錢不夠，是不是？我們在……"],["陳院長建仁：對啊！歲入歲出的盈餘今年大概2,670億左右……"],["羅委員明才：我在財委會二、三十年了，你如果缺錢你來找我，我報幾項好的給你聞香，我手上的一堆資料，有人檢舉他們自己家裡海外起碼有1兆遺贈稅，換言之，這個查下去國庫馬上可以多出五千多億，你如果有興趣的話、缺錢的話你來找我，我為全民來找錢，我還是希望每一個人可以儘量發1萬塊的紅包……"],["陳院長建仁：不實際、不切實際……"],["羅委員明才：但因為時間的關係，如果有需要的話，我絕對不會藏私，我把我三十幾年的經驗，包括國有地、閒置地都可以充分拿來利用，把這些最辛苦的民眾放在我們的心頭上，我們能做多少，來為他們來排憂解難……"],["陳院長建仁：說的比做的容易啦！"],["羅委員明才：但因為今天是交通……"],["陳院長建仁：說話容易……"],["羅委員明才：謝謝。院長，因為今天是交通，本席是地方出身，我還是為地方來請命，第一個，捷運延伸至深坑、延伸至石碇，地方已經喊了十幾年了，包括蘇貞昌蘇院長以前當老縣長的時候，沒有人反對，到現在還是遙遙無期，要拜託陳院長是不是給一點關懷的力道，讓它速度快一點。"],["陳院長建仁：委員你很清楚嘛！捷運的推動是地方政府的事情，所以捷運有任何像是深坑輕軌要推動的話，新北市就要做可行性研究，新北市政府現在正在辦可行性的研究，可行性研究以後可行的話，我們就會進入綜合規劃，然後進入以後這一些步驟，所以這一個部分我們也樂觀其成說新北市有在做可行性研究啦！"],["羅委員明才：院長會支持嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：我還沒講完，這個研究的情形它是在112年5月1號提給交通部，提給交通部以後交通部也已經報到行政院來，還有一些意見需要新北市政府來做修正，所以我們現在也在等新北市政府來提出這一些修正的報告，所以新北市政府快一點，我們就可以快一點，所以這件事情也請委員多多敦促一下新北市政府。"],["羅委員明才：好的，謝謝院長。剛好這一次會期我是財委會的召委，我馬上用最快的時間來召集各部會召開一個協調會也好，或者是合作的會議也好，就從早上開始開會，沒有結論出來我們就不下班，一次到位、一次完成，院長覺得可不可以這樣做？"],["陳院長建仁：開會是要講深坑輕軌的事情嗎？"],["羅委員明才：是。"],["陳院長建仁：深坑輕軌的事情是新北市政府……"],["羅委員明才：中央跟地方到底問題出在哪裡，如果說是缺錢，那就找錢的問題嘛？我來想辦法，我來拜託行政院一起努力來找錢，如果是什麼原因……"],["陳院長建仁：委員你就催促一下新北市政府趕快交修正報告。"],["羅委員明才：我就兩邊一起召集會議來催促……"],["陳院長建仁：但希望新北市政府願意出席啦！"],["羅委員明才：另外一個是捷運環狀線南環段的部分，現在開始動工了，但是物價飆漲，好多都是流標、流標，不曉得這個速度可不可以快一點？"],["王部長國材：臺北市政府現在因為經費不足，它最近有提一個計畫就是北環、南環加起來，還有包括其他總共要增加七百多億的預算，目前我們就循審議原則視可不可以歸責於地方，比如說營建物價的上漲不可以歸責，這大環境的問題，但是如果他們在設計上、原來在過程中就有疏忽的，這就要他們負責，現在我們正在做這樣的評估。"],["羅委員明才：所以部長你看看，這些本來就應該做的事情，如果早做的話就不用花那麼多錢。"],["王部長國材：是。"],["羅委員明才：所以我們還是希望該做的、必須要做的，與其晚做不如早做，早做一點會比較好。比如捷運汐東線，因為以前是大選區，汐止也是我的選區，同樣一個時間，20年喊了半天，我們安坑線在這邊要謝謝相關人員、謝謝部長，安坑輕軌在去年就完工通車了，結果到現在，喊了20年的捷運汐東線現在還是遙遙無期……"],["王部長國材：現在……"],["羅委員明才：我看了覺得好難過，我心裡真的是為汐止人覺得很痛心，同樣一個時間人家都好了，安坑輕軌都好了，結果汐止卻還沒好……"],["王部長國材：這個就是……"],["羅委員明才：真的大家要多加油啦！另外一個就是有關新店安坑地區的安城快速道路以及華城快速道路，這個路就是差一小段，安城快速道路因為當地有很多的居民，幾萬，再加上很多的學校，上下班堵車堵得很厲害，小小一段5公里，可是打通了以後卻讓整個地方的交通更快速、更便捷。所以在這裡也要拜託陳院長可以多多予以關心，經費不多，30億。"],["陳院長建仁：我很關心，但是新北市政府的關心更重要，這個計畫是新北市政府要來推動，新北市政府如果不努力推動、不提出計畫，我們沒有辦法補助，所以請委員還是再催促一下新北市政府加油！加油！加油！好不好？"],["羅委員明才：那我就來再召開一次不斷電的24小時開會，把這件事情具體的落實。另外一個是央北環快跟國道高架段的問題，因為都市計畫的發展，央北十四張未來會多2萬戶，交通勢必會造成很大的困境，所以要未雨綢繆，拜託這個部分也開始著手動起來、開始思考。","因為時間的關係，我可能有一部分會改成書面，但是我最後要問一下，請問院長攸關全民的電價問題，已經決定要漲了嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：今天審議委員會通過，有決議的時候我們經濟部部長會跟大家說明。"],["羅委員明才：公車不要漲、鐵路不要漲，拜託、拜託，民眾會受不了。"],["陳院長建仁：我們尊重專業，尊重專業的決定。"],["委員羅明才書面質詢：","一、捷運延伸至深坑石碇","新北市府喊了12年的深坑輕軌捷運在歷經11次可行性研究報告送審後，終於在2022年12月8日獲交通部審查修正後通過「深坑線輕軌運輸系統暨周邊土地開發可行性研究報告書」，爾後交通部並函覆審查意見有系統選擇（車輛、機電與號誌）、公共運輸相關配套措施等。後續將依審查意見修正，盡速提送交通部同意，轉行政院審議、爭取核定。新北市捷運局指出，全案經費117億，將力拚2030年完工。","目前規劃S4站的位置為國有財產署土地，未來希望能規劃為青年宅、社會住宅，配合深坑線設站，除提升便利性之外，亦能帶動捷運運量。S5站周邊則有法務部庫房，未來隨著捷運深坑線的推動發展，希望法務部能與新北市政府討論聯合開發的可行性。如若交通部、國發會允諾，未來深坑線S5站可繼續向北延伸南港，將可服務中華科技大學、中央研究院等運輸交通需求，並與文湖線連接成環狀，增加捷運路網的服務範圍與便利性。或將深坑輕軌再延伸至石碇交流道，相信還能再帶動石碇整體的城市發展，畢竟軌道設施都已經建置了，如能發揮更大的效益，造福周邊居民，對深坑、石碇生活圈都會是樁美事。","二、捷運環狀線─南環段","捷運南環段大坪林至動物園分為2個區段標CF670（新店大坪林─政大）及CF670A（政大─動物園），其施工進度如下：CF670（新店大坪林─政大）：預算167.4億元，112年7月12日第4次流標，捷運局已召開流標檢討會議檢討調整預算，因南北環整體計畫預算不足，俟財修計畫行政院核定後再上網公告招標。CF670A（政大─動物園）：已於112年3月15日決標，並於6月13日開工，預計121年完工。","環狀線（南環段/北環段）路線長度20.66公里，原經費1369.06億元。其中南環段即將進入施工階段，自木柵動物園站沿新光路經政治大學、永安街、木柵路，再穿越景美溪南側工業區至新店線大坪林站。施工進行階段常常對周邊居民而言是苦不堪言，除了需要忍受工程噪音、空氣品質受影響之外，還有塞車帶來的交通黑暗期，民眾無不希望工程效率越快越好。其次，近期原物料高漲、缺工等影響，推升重大公共工程的營建成本，並造成公共工程流標率大幅提升。期盼行政院多給予地方經費上的支持，協助地方提高工程效率，縮短工期，就是對地方最大的幫忙。","三、捷運汐東線","汐止人等待20年的捷運汐東線終於有新進度，統包工程經費十月中獲得行政院公共工程委員會同意核定，十月下旬就上網公告招標。新北市捷運局預告，若2024年上半年順利決標，工期約86個月，拚2032年完工，串起北北基軌道路網。","被戲稱「選舉捷運」的汐止民生線，在地喊20多年仍是一條虛線，當初因台北市前市長柯文哲堅持要做全線規畫、環狀線優先等因素，雙北沒有共識而卡關。2020年北北基3市與交通部再舉行會議，新北端的汐東線與台北端民生線分割，汐東線終露曙光。","汐東捷運線總長5.56公里，起於北市內湖區蘆洲里，先東向抵達新北汐止區的社后機廠與SB11車站後，在福德一路與同興路轉彎往東南到同興路SB12站，接著通過新社后橋後抵樟樹灣的SB13站。接著從汐止大同路一段向東北，穿過北二高橋下設置SB14站，再南轉康誥坑溪東轉往新台五路，至汐止區公所設置終點站，共計6站。採LRRT中運量自動駕駛系統，每列車可乘載530人，其中樟樹灣至汐止公所將與基隆捷運共線、共站、共用社后機廠，SB14可與台鐵汐科站銜接轉乘。汐東線也將在SB10站設計約300公尺長的電動步道與文湖線東湖站轉乘。","汐東捷運總建設經費376.93億元，基隆捷運計畫分擔98.47億元，中央同意先行匡列278.46億元，新北市負擔220.5億元，中央補助57.96億元。同樣地受近期原物料高漲、缺工等影響，推升重大公共工程的營建成本，並造成公共工程流標率大幅提升。未來招標、施工上如遇到各種關卡，期盼中央多多給予地方經費上的支持，協助地方縮短施工工期，提高工程效率。","四、安城快速道路、華城快速道路","安城快速道路","依交通部高公局統計資料顯示，國道三號安坑至中和路段不論平假日皆為易壅塞路段，而此路段受地形影響，已難以進行拓寬工程。為疏導車流避開此一路段，本席建議交通部另闢「安城快速道路」，由安坑一號道路沿五城向土城清水交流道方向開通，除可作為國道三號安坑至中和路段的替代道路之外，亦可提供土城與新店安坑便捷的交通路廊，亦可提高安坑一號道路之效益。又「安城快速道路」未來恐須以隧道工程等方式進行，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