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這個我了解嘛有多少人沒有達到這個平均值部長你知不知道部長你知不知道有多少人沒有達到這個平均值至少一半以上吧"},{"start":401.485,"end":406.552,"text":"你作為部長我老實講薪資的distribution你要比我還熟"},{"start":408.391,"end":431.342,"text":"來我秀給部長看啊百分之70以上的勞工是低於平均數的我從來不講空洞的東西啊我一定拿具體的數字出來講百分之70以上的勞工是低於平均數的但更重要的事情是什麼低於平均薪資的勞工比例啊年年攀升"},{"start":432.402,"end":450.777,"text":"這代表什麼意思薪資結構的扭曲在平均薪資以下的勞工比例越來越高從勞動部的角度上面來講我必須要講這是一個警訊但更重要的事情是什麼但更重要的事情是我們的薪資年增率"},{"start":452.406,"end":478.311,"text":"遠遠落後於南韓這個數字喔是央行做出來的喔央行做出來的數字說台灣的薪資年增率遠遠落後於南韓但是為了是什麼因為我們勞工佔GDP比例不斷的下降嘛作為勞動部的部長您認為台灣過去這幾年整個經濟成長的果實有公平的分配到勞工身上嗎"},{"start":481.918,"end":492.618,"text":"這個當然還不足啦這個當然還不足嘛好不足那作為勞動部部長你認為應該要怎麼樣努力才可以讓我們的勞工他可以分配到我們經濟成長的果實"},{"start":495.236,"end":512.755,"text":"具體的辦法是什麼你也承認不足了嘛那我現在請教你具體的辦法是什麼報告委員吼其實勞工薪資的一個提升吼是要跨部會啦吼來努力啦吼所以你的意思就是不管你勞動部不是不是只有你勞動部的事嘛要跨部會來努力嘛跨部會來努力啊說得很好"},{"start":514.116,"end":539.873,"text":"那要如何跨部會來努力你總不能講空話嘛如何跨部會來努力現在我在請教你的是你具體的措施到底是什麼嗎勞動部的話我們就是每年調整基本工資以政府的一個基本工資的調整來帶動央行的那份報告部長你有看嗎我看到了但是報告委員也難含喔沒有錯他央行提供一個最重要的政策建議對勞動部來講是什麼你知道嗎"},{"start":542.435,"end":563.285,"text":"他是認為我們調整幅度上可以再更你贊不贊成央行的看法報告委員我們這幾年是這樣子因為也碰到疫情沒有關係啦我尊重啦我知道我不是本委員會的委員啦本委員會的委員研的時間可以比較多啦非本委員會的委員我尊重主席的才是啦好謝謝剛剛超過時間只有4分鐘嗎你要不要調會議記錄出來看"},{"start":572.154,"end":573.705,"text":"你這樣主持議事有中立嗎?"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}