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來大家是贊同的"},{"start":127.489,"end":152.899,"text":"沒有人認為海洋生態是不需要保育的尤其是需要做更多只是現在問題是在做法跟法規的訂定跟機制的建立上面要怎麼更細緻的處理就我目前今天整個早上的公聽會下來大家關心的是做法上面的工作我這邊有兩個比較重要的建議的原則第一個原則是海洋保育勢必不是要來跟產業發展為敵的"},{"start":155.101,"end":155.461,"text":"洪申翰"},{"start":175.529,"end":193.295,"text":"海洋治理不可或缺的一部分也就是必須以科學為本尤其是假設又要去化解大家在保育跟產業上面衝突的話更需要利據這些詳細而且真實的科學的資訊這是第一個原則第二個原則是必須要消除不同利害關係人的疑慮的時候"},{"start":195.296,"end":217.694,"text":"也要降低化受海洋屁股區相關的正義化那現在我們在審議的機制裡面必須要明確的納入不同利害關係人參與的權利這必須被保障所以在這點裡面在我自己提出來的版本其實也募集參考了一些遠距法的精神在條文中希望能夠對於審議會裡面各不同參加的代表"},{"start":218.916,"end":219.997,"text":"海洋保育法草案公聽會議"},{"start":241.034,"end":257.301,"text":"過去其實是有一些這些公民科學家和公民團體其實就有反映臺灣的海洋基礎報告的資料尤其是物種的多樣性跟關鍵物種的生態的狀況數量區域跟動態變化這些基礎資料其實都相當的缺乏"},{"start":258.322,"end":258.382,"text":"洪申翰"},{"start":282.64,"end":300.835,"text":"所以如果我們相關單位有做科學研究我認為我們應該要在這個海洋保育法的規範裡面要要求更大程度的公佈相關的科研的結果來開放大家能夠對於這些結果能夠有參與或進一步的下一步的工作才能夠讓這套治理能夠真正的發揮功效來減少衝突"},{"start":302.296,"end":323.116,"text":"那當然除了剛剛講的基礎調查以外包括海域的管理跟海洋保育的教育包括尤其是監控相關的這個工作其實也是會是非常非常重要的一環所以最後我要提的事情是說我們其實都知道在海洋利用的部門跟主管機關其實很多尤其是以現在來說以離岸風電或漁業就是一個例子"},{"start":323.596,"end":323.736,"text":"洪申翰"},{"start":345.223,"end":366.79,"text":"海岸管理法和勢力保育法的這個主管的機關所以為了接下來我自己也希望說如果真的我們要進入審議的話我們也希望能夠用一些附帶決議的方式來去規範這麼複雜的這個主管機關在相對應重要的工作上面他的每個的角色跟工作我們不應該因為都通過了一個法"},{"start":367.21,"end":391.353,"text":"所以讓剛剛很多相關他可能一些座位必須升起的工作變得更加的複雜或者是更加的多頭馬車在主管機關的這個尤其是跨部會機制的規範上面把它建立起來我覺得也可以讓今天在座一些相關的利害相關人他自己有一些相必須保障的權益的時候不會這個在這個主管機關的茫茫大海裡面覺得有更多的成本"},{"start":391.713,"end":391.873,"text":"洪申翰委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}