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台南也好他的所有的半導體還是都要跑到桃園這中間的運費是很高的"},{"start":212.211,"end":220.922,"text":"中間的運費是很高的,所以南部能不能有國際機場,這件事要我們部長你來做一個PASS才有這樣的機會,貨運的,針對貨運的,南部現在小港是國際機場,但是我們在貨運要提升它的功能的話,我們要有另外的安排"},{"start":232.891,"end":252.087,"text":"對,就是說要建一個南部新的國際機場,包括用地跟環評,過去交通部的民進黨局也做過評估,非常困難,當時有包括高雄南新嘛,還有包括台南啊等等都有,還有包括岡山也都評估過,那我個人是覺得"},{"start":255.87,"end":271.499,"text":"因為台灣機場第一個你如果要送到世界各國去通通有航線這個最重要你一個機場不是說做一個機場你那航線要不要進駐是問題如果沒有航線等於說你趕快比如說你到歐洲沒有航線就飛不出去什麼等等的問題"},{"start":272.78,"end":295.601,"text":"我覺得當然我們可以針對於這個整個加科或是台積電在嘉義裡面看怎麼樣有怎麼樣的一些方案尤其要比較極短期的方案比如說跟台灣國際上怎麼連結快速甚至有些部分他可能是跟高雄機場做一些連結我想這部分我們來"},{"start":296.782,"end":323.545,"text":"我先整體評估一下如果說機場需要擴大怎樣我覺得我們嘉義機場他還是有他一些優勢在因為畢竟如果涉及到徵收的話我們相對的徵收的成本是比較低的這是讓部長可以去考慮的那第二個時間都一分鐘了那我們知道在針對橋科跟南科過去有所謂S狼線S狼帶"},{"start":325.426,"end":325.466,"text":"蔡易餘議員"},{"start":349.218,"end":359.151,"text":"這部分可能也要請部長來做評估那我想第一步哩比較具體而且可能相對成本比較低的大概就是在從高鐵下面這條台37線"},{"start":361.272,"end":361.852,"text":"高鐵沿線的下方"},{"start":385.399,"end":413.466,"text":"為六廠延伸到新娘,甚至未來我們就招攬客戶,這個講法就來做一個評估先是不是這樣吼,南部高雄市有這樣的計畫,它是台山九啦對,台山九的這個高鐵橋下的這個計畫,那這部分是不是先縣政府這一邊初步評估一下,然後再我們再做一些討論,說是從生活圈要怎麼樣來處理這樣,好不好?好,那這部分來"},{"start":414.766,"end":425.218,"text":"來 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