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什麼時候可以研議你其實之前已經研議過了研議出來的結果就是今天這樣啊你要再研議怎麼樣"},{"start":426.438,"end":444.333,"text":"我們今天很心平氣和的大家都是為了讓國內的體育運動發展的產業層面更好那我們現在在講這個最基本的你可以認同我剛剛講薪資跟獎金的概念嗎我認同認同非常好那這樣子是不是應該要給予選手最基本的保障不管說一場出賽費"},{"start":446.335,"end":448.435,"text":"包委員我們會往這個方向來做研議啦"},{"start":475.283,"end":504.071,"text":"因為我們現在的癥結點是在於比方說像亞警賽、市警賽這樣子的一個正式的錦標賽而大部分其實九成都是沒有盈餘都會虧錢那這部分是靠政府在支持是,但是這些比賽都有收門票而且它有有形跟無形的收益有些時候它可能是贊助的一個眼球的焦點有些時候如果說它真的很多人在討論的時候國內觀眾的一個關注度其實這都是有形無形的"},{"start":510.136,"end":522.348,"text":"三個月內請要求體育署針對這個部分符合魔法精神要求國內外的賽事都應該要符合魔法精神費率怎麼樣你們來定力但是重點是出賽費的精神一定要保有"},{"start":524.552,"end":539.277,"text":"來再來喔其實本席今天準備很多的一個題目啦那其中很重要假球現在持棒35年今天我支持的兄弟像要在這個首戰主場首戰也要開打那直籃剛剛報告裡面有講到"},{"start":541.058,"end":557.756,"text":"有發生疑似假球案寫得也蠻含蓄的啦但重點在於是說假球是大家都沒有辦法接受的我先請教今天有看到說可能未來的台灣運財裡面會發行也要研議國內的直燃運動是不是有譜了"},{"start":559.387,"end":574.644,"text":"目前只有SBL已經確定是已經正在進行當中那我們在今年的第三屆剛簽約的時候我們有跟台灣運彩公司要求他們要去研議T聯盟跟P聯盟也要納進來那目前他們還在做計算當中是"},{"start":575.345,"end":602.987,"text":"因為運彩當然它的這個機制最主要是它需要有更多的數據來去算出賠率讓大家參與但是如果說能夠放入運彩的話其實會是三贏的局面第一這個聯盟的賽事也會更多人看第二也有更多的一個這個效益還有第三球迷去看球的時候我花一百塊兩百塊我去支持一下我自己的心目中的球隊也算是一種更投入的參與嘛是不是那"},{"start":603.747,"end":616.323,"text":"現在的重點就在於是說還沒有納入那我們也講如果說打假球的話就會有運彩發行條例21條來防範假球防制對不對可是現在運彩發行條例21條只有說投注標的運動競技賽事"},{"start":622.483,"end":638.49,"text":"對﹗"},{"start":638.67,"end":653.502,"text":"好 那我們現在應不應該要去檢討因為我們既然也希望能夠培養我們國內職籃賽事能夠嚇阻就要用比較高的一個刑責那目前的法規居然是沒有規範到而沒有規範到主要原因是因為他沒有納入我們的頭"},{"start":654.468,"end":656.128,"text":"剛同仁已經回報說T1已經納入了現在剩下P聯盟"},{"start":683.734,"end":685.936,"text":"本席也提起就是我們這邊也會針對這個修法的部分"},{"start":705.774,"end":729.992,"text":"國內重大賽事或是說金主管機關認可的賽事應該也要一致因為它有可能是現在還沒有被投注標的但有可能是未來潛在的投注標的那我們當然都要健全這樣的一個產業防止假球的發生那最後今天本席有一個臨時提案也是針對現在我們的中華職棒在2020年有成立一個球員的防堵"},{"start":732.207,"end":760.021,"text":"就是希望球員他們自發性的他們也可以提撥一些基金跟聯盟跟這個球團來提供基金那未來這個球員他們如果說退休的時候他們有另外一筆的一個創業基金或是收入那目前這個是對於整個職業運動生涯的一個延續那我們也想是說既然中華職棒已經推廣了幾年的時間感覺起來成效也都還可以那是不是有考慮在直男運動這部分也可以來積極的來推動"},{"start":761.275,"end":784.802,"text":"幫委員這部分我們也是請藍鞋這邊要去做跟聯盟做討論的確已經提醒他們這一點好那我也希望啊體育署這邊能夠有更積極的角色我們今天也一個這個臨時提案我最重點在於說希望體育署以身為主管機關的部分瞭解一下說職業棒球他們現在的防堵球員防堵基金現在運行面臨到一個什麼樣的不足的地方"},{"start":785.262,"end":805.463,"text":"能夠做一個經濟那以及如果說直籃球員這邊也有考慮要成立的話能夠來協助他們找勞資雙方共同來討論延伤在3個月內能夠提出直籃運動當然他們是要自己成立但我是說體育署這邊能夠有一個比較積極的角色去媒合去討論他們的一個雙方進行這樣可以嗎"},{"start":808.016,"end":810.138,"text":"所以就是因為比較難掌握所以我才麻煩主管機關要去掌握"},{"start":825.33,"end":825.59,"text":"蘇長,可以同意嗎?"},{"start":855.431,"end":855.452,"text":"好 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