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了第一例的病例這個我們非常非常的擔心這一部分我們也看到其實過去這幾年來已經有累積八萬以上的個案在臺灣他如果是首次發生都還好"},{"start":120.061,"end":139.362,"text":"萬一是第二次發生登革熱的話事實上它會出現一些出血熱導致生命上的一個風險所以我們其實很希望能夠在這部分能夠再多加強環境部當然也是具有一個很重要的主責的一個部門"},{"start":140.823,"end":157.651,"text":"其實我們也了解今年到目前為止已經投注了3932萬的預算經費在處理登革熱相關的這些防治這部分真的是非常謝謝環境部在這邊的努力"},{"start":159.318,"end":185.979,"text":"我們看到就是各個縣市呢其實都投入了相當多的經費來補助地方政府進行這些相關的工作來防止這個登革日持續的室內這部分真的非常值得肯定那到底高峰期什麼時候會出現當然我們知道現在才初夏嘛所以應該會到8月9月甚至到時候會更高"},{"start":186.919,"end":214.988,"text":"這部分環境部有做哪一些努力的方向嗎?除了我們所看到的部分以外。好,謝謝黃委員。事實上,黃委員是醫師,你對登革日的防治事實上相當的了解。那你剛剛提到去年事實上我8月22日上任,結果我們9月份就跟陳建仁院長馬上到台南去,因為台南那時候情況很嚴重,很嚴峻。那今年看起來好像搞不好會更"},{"start":216.609,"end":236.931,"text":"國外的情況巴西還是哪裡他們南美洲發生的那個情況可能會更嚴重所以我們從這個今年二月份就開始跟各縣市環保局來強化這個防治登革熱的經濟措施大概有將近10項那當然不外乎就是整個環境的"},{"start":237.432,"end":241.393,"text":"在3月25日至4月12日也辦理登革熱知青大動源的計畫也是同樣跟各地方的環保其實就是說對環境的"},{"start":263.9,"end":263.92,"text":"臺灣現在這種"},{"start":289.053,"end":289.733,"text":"現在也都有持續的在關注當中。"},{"start":317.866,"end":340.985,"text":"謝謝部長剛剛的回覆我們看剛剛那一張其實可以發現在2014年到2015年是一個高峰期那中間可能經過大家非常努力的去清理環境那很注重個人在一些生活習慣或者是各方面的改善的確得到非常大的進步那當然過去"},{"start":341.945,"end":362.571,"text":"兩三年的疫情期間也因為有相關的保護措施所以這個疫情就顯得相當的控制得非常好可是到去年又變得很嚴重我們很擔心啦擔心像剛剛部長所提到的也許今年也許明年又是另外一個高峰期所以我們必須要有更好的思維來做這個事情"},{"start":363.892,"end":384.231,"text":"預算的部分因為可能去年還沒有警覺到今年會這麼嚴重或者去年會這麼嚴重所以其實我們看到這個經費的部分今年編列的是2000萬可是剛剛已經發現用到3900萬那現在還沒有到真正的流行期"},{"start":385.693,"end":399.27,"text":"夏天也容易有梅雨那再過來又是颱風季節相對整個環境的影響可能會更大那這部分這個預算到時候如果真的無法到位或者是無法這麼寬的邊內的話那會有什麼樣的因應措施嗎"},{"start":403.254,"end":403.655,"text":"王正旭"},{"start":417.702,"end":417.722,"text":"韓國瑜議員"},{"start":451.072,"end":463.939,"text":"市長們其實都有很緊密的連結我們看到媒體所刊登出來大部分都是地方政府也很用心的在執行這些登革熱的防制行動那中央部會不曉得在宣導"},{"start":464.779,"end":478.657,"text":"的方面有沒有更積極讓全台灣的民眾知道尤其是在高風險的這幾個縣市在透過比較屬於中央層級的這些宣導讓民眾可以更能夠配合"},{"start":479.485,"end":497.863,"text":"我想我們是善用各種多元的媒體去做宣導當然譬如說包括去年除了行政院長也親自去視察我個人也去台南光上任沒多久去台南去年大概就跑了四五次"},{"start":498.523,"end":510.048,"text":"也是親自跟台南市環保局、跟民眾來瞭解也去做對談那希望能夠大家共同提高警戒來共同解決這個並沒有人資深環境清潔的議題"},{"start":513.71,"end":537.421,"text":"我們會持續來努力好 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