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Kacaw委員：秘書長好。憲法增修條文第十條第十二項規定，國家應依民族意願，保障原住民族之地位及政治參與，而且還特別明定，要制定原住民族基本法，還有很多相關的法律。在105年8月1號，蔡總統就任之後的3個月，蔡總統特別向原住民族道歉，並做了很大的承諾說，要制定原住民族自治法以及原住民族土地及海域法，這是他的承諾，在105年8月1號就任之後，向全國的人民承諾，會很快的將原住民族自治法以及原住民族土地及海域法送到立法院。甚至行政院的秘書長在105年年底也特別宣示而且講了兩次，會在105年12月底以前把原住民族土地及海域法送到立法院。但是第9屆、第10屆的立法院，民進黨絕對多數，他們不需要的法律就請行政院不要送來，所以已經承諾的事情寧可反悔，也不送來，是這樣的情形。","因此，本席跟高金素梅委員特別提出立法院組織法第三十三條條文修正案，因為現行條文對基於少數的原住民立委而言，完全必須要看政黨到底要不要支持原住民的條款，所以在這樣的情形之下，我們原住民的立委要推動這些相關法律，必須要看哪一個政黨願意支持。而在過去的這麼多年來，立法院過去都很重視原住民，但是在過去的8年來，我們非常、非常的失望。我就舉個例子，就業服務法民國81年三讀通過，其中第二十四條，當時的憲法還是叫「山胞」，行政院就業服務法的草案送到立法院也是寫「山胞」，原住民的立委說要改為「原住民」，雖然憲法在民國83年8月1號才把「山胞」改為「原住民」，但是就業服務法在立法院尊重原住民的情況之下，民國81年就業服務法就用「原住民」這3個字，所以立法院是一個展現人民意志的地方。而對基於少數的原住民，中華民國政府怎麼樣落實憲法增修條文第十條第十二項的規定？就是要靠立法院，所以要靠立法院就必須怎麼樣？重視原住民立法委員的意見！","本席跟高金素梅委員特別提到，對於黨團的成立，原住民立委應該要有自主性，不要受到相關的這些……因為加入原住民黨團的時候，就必須要退出原來的政黨，像這樣的該怎麼樣去解決，所以本席提出這樣的條文。秘書長，你的意見如何？"],["周秘書長萬來：尊重委員，這是屬於立法政策。那天高金委員來，我也特別從立法技術上，從那項裡面……因為黨團在第一項裡面是排除，但黨團的總數現在是5個。我有跟他報告，如果立法政策決定要修正，就要加上那幾個文字。我已經有跟高金委員報告過了。"],["鄭天財Sra 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