{"error":false,"id":["152332"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":152332,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152332","日期":"2024-05-08","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-1-15-17","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第1會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":1,"會次":17,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[15],"委員會代碼:str":["內政委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第1會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2024-05-08T10:44:48+08:00","結束時間":"2024-05-08T10:53:34+08:00","影片長度":"00:08:46","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9fa9bc2102b9cf719267064acfc54de7827cef00f012e52e36499d1b681a2ac7d9771c6b83d88dd95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"王美惠","委員發言時間":"10:44:48 - 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人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；六、審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；七、審查委員呂玉玲等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補\n助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；八、審查委員吳思瑤等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；九、審查委員陳超明等18人擬具「地\n方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十、審查委員\n李柏毅等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十一、審查委員黃健豪等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增\n訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十二、審查委員徐巧芯等28人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里\n長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十三、審查委員莊瑞雄等18人擬具「地方民意\n代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十四、審查委員高金素梅\n等29人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；十\n五、審查委員林思銘等26人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條\n文修正草案」案；十六、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助\n費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十七、審查委員盧縣一等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條、第七條及第九條條文修正草案」案；十八、審查委員蔡\n易餘等 19 人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十九、審查委員范雲等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務\n補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；二十一、審查委員黃秀芳等19人擬具「地方民意代表\n費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十二、審查委員鍾佳濱等27\n人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十\n三、審查委員陳瑩等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第五條、第\n六條及第七條條文修正草案」案；二十四、審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等 17 人擬具\n「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十五、審查\n委員陳素月等21人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草\n案」案；二十六、審查委員徐欣瑩等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助\n條例第三條及第六條條文修正草案」案；二十七、審查委員洪申翰等16人擬具「地方民意代表費\n用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十八、審查委員李彥秀等20人\n擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十九、\n審查委員吳琪銘等18人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第七條條文修\n正草案」案；三十、審查委員黃建賓等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補\n助條例第六條及第七條條文修正草案」案；三十一、審查委員劉建國等16人擬具「地方民意代表\n費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；三十二、審查委員高金素梅等\n22人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第八條條文修正草案」案；三十\n三、審查委員鄭正鈐等18人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條\n文修正草案」案；三十四、審查委員陳素月等22人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補\n助費補助條例第五條附表修正草案」案；三十五、審查委員陳培瑜等21人擬具「地方民意代表費\n用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；三十六、審查委員王美惠等21人\n擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；三十七、\n審查委員王育敏等16人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修\n正草案」案","agenda_id":"1134201_00002"}},"transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":1.44846875,"end":1.9715937500000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":2.76471875,"end":3.03471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":4.2497187499999995,"end":6.79784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4.31721875,"end":5.14409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":6.966593750000001,"end":8.957843750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":9.177218750000002,"end":9.919718750000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":12.805343750000002,"end":13.36221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":13.46346875,"end":14.57721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":14.914718750000002,"end":17.37846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":18.17159375,"end":21.95159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":21.05721875,"end":21.344093750000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":22.76159375,"end":26.27159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":26.94659375,"end":29.680343750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":29.950343750000002,"end":32.78534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":33.03846875,"end":43.87221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":43.33221875,"end":43.80471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":44.49659375,"end":45.86346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":46.08284375,"end":48.93471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":49.35659375,"end":54.21659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":54.55409375,"end":55.38096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":56.08971875,"end":58.73909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":59.24534375,"end":61.017218750000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":61.439093750000005,"end":63.59909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":64.02096875000001,"end":68.07096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":68.30721875,"end":69.48846875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":69.62346875,"end":71.02409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":71.17596875000001,"end":72.67784375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":73.11659375,"end":76.91346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":77.36909375,"end":79.46159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":80.00159375,"end":80.60909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":81.72284375000001,"end":82.46534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":82.97159375000001,"end":84.35534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":84.64221875000001,"end":85.75596875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":86.31284375,"end":89.14784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":89.75534375000001,"end":103.76159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":103.81221875,"end":111.91221875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":112.28346875000001,"end":115.60784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":115.81034375,"end":118.66221875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":119.21909375000001,"end":125.59784375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":126.03659375000001,"end":129.32721875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":129.46221875,"end":130.64346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":130.15409375000002,"end":130.28909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":130.35659375,"end":130.42409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":131.16659375,"end":133.15784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":133.71471875,"end":138.00096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":139.01346875000002,"end":139.48596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":139.99221875,"end":141.03846875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":141.64596875,"end":143.48534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":143.65409375000002,"end":145.44284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":145.98284375,"end":146.59034375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":146.75909375,"end":147.53534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":148.17659375000002,"end":149.88096875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":150.30284375000002,"end":160.05659375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":161.03534375,"end":161.79471875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":162.45284375,"end":182.97284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":183.29346875000002,"end":187.22534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":187.42784375000002,"end":195.71346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":196.42221875,"end":220.57034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":221.09346875000003,"end":232.53471875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":232.93971875000003,"end":247.01346875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":246.84471875000003,"end":253.071593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謝謝感謝我們政治的說明在這本席還要跟你談到的就是說我們本身做議員做立委怎麼辛苦都沒關係因為覺得我們這是發起做立委思維但畢竟我們議員的助理我們說實在的也不能讓他們操持也不能讓他們覺得說做到沒命沒力"},{"start":275.262,"end":285.087,"text":"所以這種的都違法的,所以是如何提高他們的助理的費用及人數,因為這裏面,因為有很多我們的助理,都是長久以來"},{"start":292.97,"end":295.232,"text":"我們要服務也好,要做什麼也好,有時候就要輪,啊你會不會來,你會補過來,會補你可以上班學完,所以我們也怕他說做了超時不應該,所以在這個規定當中,這個座禮會提供像第一我的代理詞,"},{"start":317.486,"end":320.808,"text":"本來是8萬塊,提高到14萬,我們的屋頭24萬,提高到30萬,我們的事務費,我們的屋頭是有4萬提高到6萬,2萬提高到4萬"},{"start":337.113,"end":345.34,"text":"像我跟他一起是九千拿到兩萬塊在這個過程當中我感覺是不足的你認為這個事務費要如何調整可以符合現在的時機及環境及物價的契機來"},{"start":360.828,"end":367.602,"text":"委員這我跟您報告這一次當然修法主要也是考量到這個要建前一年助理的聘用制度"},{"start":368.564,"end":391.042,"text":"當然助理都很辛苦那跟這個我們村里長也都是一樣的所以我們這一次才會做這樣的一個修法那另外一個就是我們要保障助理的這個勞動權益那所以我們做了一些剛剛委員特別提到了這個提高這些加班費或者是他的這個助理費"},{"start":392.32,"end":407.674,"text":"我們提的驗版這個額度大概我們都有參酌一些因素一些面向來做調整那當然委員所提的說我們驗版的這個調整的幅度到底是不是這個最恰當的當然這個大家可以來討論"},{"start":409.575,"end":413.057,"text":"這樣就是重點就是說我們今天派這個委員會來討論議員的助理費及里長的薪金的費用是非常重要所以大家都坐下來談他現在的環境下跌多少"},{"start":431.386,"end":437.45,"text":"他釋合當然是有的是一定會做不夠 要不然做不夠會當中我們要怎麼調和我現在的環境因為本事就是覺得 問題我相信今天所講的我們的董事、董事 都是來自"},{"start":454.799,"end":457.641,"text":"提供提供提供提供提供提供提供提供"},{"start":479.477,"end":481.458,"text":"在這裏面我要請教的就是你回到研議室：包括你剛才現在有選過的事有需要什麼的補貼嗎?"},{"start":494.192,"end":502.173,"text":"因爲有人說我到沒意思沒數,我到沒錢沒錢,但這不是會發心聲的,這是要合情合理的,給人家的薪金一定要給人家,所以我直接跟政治說,該如何去補貼這些問題的時候,我們要研議一下,要做得好,不簡單,已經這麼多年了,現在拿出來,"},{"start":522.597,"end":523.039,"text":"王美惠委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}