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其實交通部事情真的非常的龐雜有很多事情要慢慢的成熟之後我們看政策的實施要慢慢的去與時濟進我們先看停車位"},{"start":33.277,"end":49.609,"text":"我想前一陣子騎樓停車的事次長應該很清楚啦齁其實很多都很困擾尤其是鄉下地方鄉下地方騎樓停車好像都是很自然的事"},{"start":50.902,"end":78.83,"text":"而且也不會影響到交通那當然交通部當時規定這個變成說檢舉達人很多針對騎樓停車這個是全國一致就是大部分都會覺得相當的困擾那臺北市我知道這部分是處理到差不多了啦臺北市騎樓停車的狀況其實很少那越鄉下"},{"start":80.02,"end":93.237,"text":"許德廷這個情況就越普遍那檢舉達人不斷的去檢舉造成地方很大的困擾所以當然我們要去修這個檢舉達人在違罪比如說你1200塊以下那"},{"start":99.721,"end":99.861,"text":"許智傑"},{"start":130.655,"end":155.221,"text":"現在我們很多里民反應就是說我騎樓不能停然後我出去外面租位置租不到怎麼辦那就亂停亂停也會被開單亂停也會影響到交通所以這個停車的位置我覺得全國應該就是就"},{"start":156.658,"end":157.619,"text":"好,那交通部"},{"start":187.534,"end":209.641,"text":"針對這個問題還有沒有去做思考未來要怎麼樣去處理我跟委員報告一下有關停車的這個問題我們也感受到很多的委員大概也都有這樣的一個建議所以這一個我們會正在思索也會跟後續的這個新的"},{"start":211.261,"end":238.088,"text":"部長或是院長來建議,是不是有相關可能?我舉個例子像我們高雄市這張圖是我們鳳山運動園區的圖那當時在陳局市長的任內要去做這個運動園區的時候事實上我就跟陳市長跟交通局跟公務局反映要預留我們的地下停車場"},{"start":240.152,"end":269.233,"text":"阿所以後來運動園區做完之後那我們的地下停車場也如當時我們的建議現在也完成坦白講當地的居民真的是非常的感謝阿沒有真的沒收到停車那再來看我們鳳山的無價國債你看底下那個無價國債齁我們差不多有7000戶啦停車位多少你知道嗎差不多8倍位啦"},{"start":273.542,"end":298.451,"text":"你叫他安裝所以市府我們希望說再多規劃那是多規劃同一個平面不然就做立體都有很多不一樣的思考但是我們要替居民以為難求不是他要違規停車他真的不知道要停下來所以我們再做一個最簡單的交通的"},{"start":299.622,"end":326.22,"text":"規劃在我們想到的大型建設以外這就是小市民的需求那我覺得我們政府要發展經濟照顧作勢或是照顧他無法處理的小生活問題我覺得這個是看起來是小但是是大這是全國的問題包括像我們有一個農村公現在要做那個捷運站"},{"start":328.05,"end":357.096,"text":"附近如果沒有停車規劃這到時候都會很難過包括我們鳳山車站的周邊我們現在要BOT要BOT之後我們就開始要整個停車位整個停車位當然我可以努力的我可以持負努力或者其他的國有財產署的地或者其他的相關的地我們可以努力的我會盡量去努力但是交通部有沒有去做這樣子的思考"},{"start":358.137,"end":358.758,"text":"復康巴士"},{"start":384.108,"end":407.161,"text":"復甘巴士現在還是有增燃料稅復甘巴士跟我們講我都是在作誰我都是在尤其將來長照是國家推動的重要的方向需要復甘巴士的人會越來越多越來越多現在又開始老年化"},{"start":408.346,"end":428.331,"text":"所以這個部分我是希望說這是你們的內規啦就是說那個免材料費的我們先看上面一條上面一頁你們的第第四條的那個第五點因為時代不同了電動車就不用了吧因為它沒有吃汽油吧"},{"start":429.482,"end":445.091,"text":"好那這個是後來加的吧第6點計程車也是後來加的因為計程車它被列為大眾運輸嘛那富康巴士事實上它載的也是跟Uber一樣下一張"},{"start":446.109,"end":473.411,"text":"那Uber被列為競爭車那Uber是你有下載有預約那也算是大眾運輸所以Uber它現在是可以免燃料費那我們的復康巴士你看這個它存在的對象呢事實上它是符合特定資格你們當時的答覆給高雄市政府的答覆是說不行但是呢事實上它是殘障或者是弱勢的大眾"},{"start":476.42,"end":495.377,"text":"所以我是覺得而且它又有公益的性質那包括財政部的那個牌照稅都有公益的性質可以少掉復康巴士的牌照稅那是不是我們交通部有沒有機會把這個復康巴士列為免燃料稅的一個項目"},{"start":499.66,"end":525.585,"text":"趕快趕快現在時間到了我跟委員報告一下委員剛才特別提到的那個計程車的部分會加進去其實應該是說又有法源所以大眾運輸發展條例裡面有提到準公共運輸所以把它納進去那這裡頭因為富康巴士是不是在那個條例裡面所以才我們在這裡才有曾經解釋說他是不符合所以我就說"},{"start":526.505,"end":541.373,"text":"有關這方面我們委員竟然有這樣的一個提議我們來看一下看是如何來做處理時代與時俱進嘛是那另外我說的不管是長照不管是長輩長照這些其實他也算是大眾"},{"start":543.147,"end":544.048,"text":"財政部都有去協助復康巴士的牌照稅"},{"start":560.8,"end":588.827,"text":"衛福部當然對於弱勢的照顧他有一套套的辦法那交通部至少對弱勢跟弱勢的大眾也有一點協助的誠意嘛所以希望說交通部在這一部分做一下研究啦現在你沒有辦法回答馬上回答也沒關係但是我希望說研究一下下一次我會再問新的部長也會再問所以希望你們認真的研究一下好不好是是是好OK 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