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我們的整個形式法制為什麼讓很多的被害者跟家屬痛心因為都在保護加害者了那另外一個我要問不過這個問題問你可能你又不回答了我剛剛前面講了死刑如果被宣布違憲"},{"start":576.311,"end":601.107,"text":"前面講那個極端的案例喔如果炸彈客炸掉100人也不用判死刑啦這個不需要到部長的層級啦這個一般民眾都可以能夠判斷的啦但是另外一個就部長你就可以講囉如果宣布死刑合憲的話我想請問部長到目前為止我們法務部不執行死刑的理由是什麼"},{"start":604.287,"end":626.29,"text":"現在就是還事先中嗎好啊那如果今天死刑確定是合憲的話法務部要不要執行死刑我們法務部是司法行政的機關我們依法辦理所以你就是要依法辦理是什麼執行死刑啊不是嗎就是我們會依法辦理因為你現在主卻執行死刑就是因為事先嘛"},{"start":627.697,"end":649.067,"text":"所以就兩條路嘛 如果死刑被宣布違憲的話當然法務部你不用執行 我也不會勉強法務部我們也沒有辦法期待法務部今天是違抗大法官的法庭的解釋但是如果大法官認為死刑是合憲的拜託部長記得今天的話"},{"start":650.353,"end":668.332,"text":"目前死刑沒有執行 形同實質廢死是因為你剛剛說在大法官會議解釋當中如果解釋出來合憲 請你回到法律來辦理好不好是 這個我們就依法辦理謝謝 以上好 謝謝羅委員 謝謝曾部長 現在休息"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}