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。"},{"start":3050.124,"end":3061.81,"text":"13.請續裁改良作業基金應強化乳牛育種及繁殖技術經濟優化升級通盤規劃完善之因應策略及配套措施委員數字分等提案14."},{"start":3061.81,"end":3064.572,"text":"請農業部審酌政策性種子銷售所欲挑戰盤整檢討各項推廣作業之有效性委員楊瓊英等提案"},{"start":3072.616,"end":3091.883,"text":"15.臺東縱谷有機稻田,產造黑春香危害,以因應並改善,請農業部提出相關檢討報告,委員孔文吉等提案。16.為檢視農科園區作業基金出租土地相關議題,有效整合臺灣農業資源,請農業部提出相關檢討報告,委員孔文吉等提案。"},{"start":3095.368,"end":3102.134,"text":"17.為檢視農科園區土地存租率：請農業部提出相關檢討報告委員．文及等提案18."},{"start":3102.134,"end":3109.421,"text":"鑒於自民國114年起紐西蘭進口液態乳將全面降為零關稅勢必衝擊本土弱農要求農業部於一個月內研擬相關"},{"start":3114.546,"end":3132.452,"text":"因應策略．委員陳超明等提案。．建於農科園區作業基金每年出租資產收入．能不符之應成本．要求農業部於一個月內減送改善計劃書面報告．委員陳超明等提案。．為降低臺紐經濟合作協定．開放零關稅進口紐西蘭液態乳品．衝擊國產牛乳．"},{"start":3139.974,"end":3159.502,"text":"銷量．強化乳牛育種．其繁殖技術經濟優化升級委員丘營等提案21續產改良作業基金．加強成本費用控管．提升營運效能委員丘營等提案22農科園區出租率偏低．檢討原因並嚴禮因應措施委員丘營等提案"},{"start":3161.623,"end":3180.739,"text":"23.請農業部於2個月內提出綠肥種子精進各項推廣措施以及如何降低成本之書面報告委員丘志偉等提案24.預計113年度生乳銷售數量減少（請農業部於1個月內提出完善之因應策略及配套措施之書面報告委員丘志偉等提案"},{"start":3182.341,"end":3191.252,"text":"25.請農業部於兩個月內提出《農業科技園區租金收支檢討及使用情形活化之書面報告》委員邱志偉等提案26."},{"start":3191.252,"end":3199.843,"text":"農業部應強化乳牛育種及繁殖技術經濟優化升級,通辦規劃完善製印策略及配套措施委員陳廷飛等提案"},{"start":3202.082,"end":3222.942,"text":"27.請農業部於一個月內就談有協定衝擊本土弱農業資相關因應措施及弱農產業發展基金之籌備情形提出說明書面報告委員陳亭飛等提案28.綠肥種子推廣銷售層衰退要求該基金檢討各項推廣作業之有效性嚴謀解決方案委員陳明文等提案"},{"start":3224.483,"end":3242.7,"text":"29.為因應114年臺紐經濟合作協定生效後．對弱農之影響．要求該基金積極輔導弱農經濟產業升級委員成名文等提案。．農田水利事業作業基金30案．業務外收入．其他業務外收入增業3000萬元委員成名文等提案。．31.業務成本與費用凍結1000萬元委員邱志偉等提案。．"},{"start":3247.825,"end":3248.946,"text":"32.業務成本與費用 業務費用 檢列300萬元委員陳廷飛等提案33."},{"start":3248.946,"end":3250.167,"text":"凍結100萬元委員邱志偉等提案 34."},{"start":3250.167,"end":3251.528,"text":"服務費用禮運費 檢列500萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案35."},{"start":3251.528,"end":3253.13,"text":"服務費用公關慰勞費 檢列100萬元凍結200萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案"},{"start":3270.523,"end":3277.306,"text":"36﹐服務費用推展費﹐凍結200萬元委員陳明文等提案37﹐凍結100萬元委員邱志偉等提案38﹐一般建築及設備計劃﹐減列1000萬元委員陳亭飛等提案39﹐凍結1億元委員陳明文等提案40﹐凍結500萬元委員邱志偉等提案"},{"start":3291.251,"end":3306.522,"text":"請農水基金因依法令規定．全面清查被占用土地現況．研謀各分類適當之處理方式．與一個月內提出素面報告委員書之分等提案請農業部農田水利署於一個月內．提出110至112年度固定資產建設計劃完成率檢討報告．委員賴樂榮等提案"},{"start":3316.055,"end":3328.37,"text":"43.請農業部農田水利署於一個月內提出具體各分會﹐活動非失業用不動產之規劃書面報告﹐文賴銳容等提案。﹐農業特別收入基金﹐"},{"start":3330.185,"end":3355.56,"text":"五十四基金用途凍結一百萬元委員邱志偉等提案一、農業發展基金五十五案．農政收入、農林漁牧收入、糧政業務、糧食銷售、分裂一元委員陳明文等提案五十六糧政業務計劃．列八百萬元凍結一千萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案五十七凍結十分之一委員廖國棟等提案五十八凍結百分之五委員蔡宇宇等提案"},{"start":3356.961,"end":3362.85,"text":"59.穩定肥料及相關資材供需計劃,減列500萬元凍結1000萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案。60.凍結10%委員蘇志芬等提案。61.凍結3000萬元委員陳明文等提案。62.凍結100萬元委員邱志偉等提案。"},{"start":3376.106,"end":3399.638,"text":"產銷調節計劃．列五百萬元凍結一千萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案．列一百萬元委員陳亭飛等提案．列百分之十委員蘇志芬等提案．列五千萬元委員陳明文等提案．列二十分之一委員廖國棟等提案．列一百萬元委員邱志偉等提案．列服務費用凍結百分之十委員李玉玲等提案．"},{"start":3401.319,"end":3403.322,"text":"70.農業保險計劃 檢列500萬元 凍結1000萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案 71."},{"start":3403.322,"end":3403.923,"text":"凍結10%委員廖國棟等提案 72."},{"start":3403.923,"end":3405.025,"text":"凍結5%委員蔡玉等提案 73."},{"start":3405.025,"end":3406.187,"text":"凍結5000萬元委員陳明文等提案"},{"start":3416.962,"end":3427.989,"text":"74.凍結一千萬元委員陳昌明等提案75.凍結五百萬元委員邱志偉等提案76.與產業保險計劃服務費用凍結百分之五委員呂玉玲等提案77.農業保險推動及輔導計劃服務費用推展費用凍結百分之十委員呂玉玲等提案"},{"start":3436.874,"end":3458.183,"text":"78加勤流行性感冒防疫計劃凍結十分之一委員廖國棟等提案79農地資生產環境整備及維護管理計劃凍結十分之一委員廖國棟等提案205發展及造林基金．勞務收入服務收入增列4000萬元委員陳明文等提案81森林遊樂及林業鐵路經營管理計劃減列500萬元凍結10%委員賴瑞榮等提案"},{"start":3466.026,"end":3469.468,"text":"82.檢列500萬元委員陳亭飛等提案83."},{"start":3469.468,"end":3472.251,"text":"凍結5%委員蔡宇等提案84."},{"start":3472.251,"end":3475.994,"text":"凍結1000萬元委員陳昌明等提案85."},{"start":3475.994,"end":3485.221,"text":"構建固定資產、無形資產、非理財、目的資產及投資及營社與設施工程支出、構建固定資產、檢列3%委員陳亭飛等提案"},{"start":3490.204,"end":3492.625,"text":"86.凍結一千萬元委員陳明文等提案3."},{"start":3492.625,"end":3493.205,"text":"農業天然災害救助基金87."},{"start":3493.205,"end":3495.626,"text":"農業天然災害救助計劃檢列1%委員陳廷飛等提案88."},{"start":3495.626,"end":3496.526,"text":"凍結5%委員蔡易宇等提案4."},{"start":3496.526,"end":3496.746,"text":"漁業發展基金89."},{"start":3496.746,"end":3497.466,"text":"農業天然災害救助基金"},{"start":3508.01,"end":3512.936,"text":"與業發展補助計劃、凍結50%委員蘇志芬等提案、90凍結150萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案、91服務費用凍結10%委員李玉玲等提案、5農產品受進口損害救助基金、92"},{"start":3523.989,"end":3535.143,"text":"調整產業貨防範措施計劃、農產品全球通路拓展計劃、檢列一千萬元凍結一千萬元委員邱志偉等提案、93凍結5%委員陳廷飛等提案、94凍結5%委員邱盈盈等提案。"},{"start":3539.588,"end":3565.353,"text":"95.凍結一千萬元委員陳明文等提案96.服務費用凍結五百萬元委員陳超明等提案97.因應貿易開放養豬產業轉型升級計劃檢列五百萬元委員陳廷飛等提案98.凍結百分之十委員蘇志芬等提案99.凍結百分之五委員蔡奕宇等提案100.凍結一千萬元委員邱志偉等提案101.服務費用凍結五百萬元委員陳超明等提案"},{"start":3566.613,"end":3569.014,"text":"6.農村再生基金102."},{"start":3569.014,"end":3570.495,"text":"基金用途剪裂500萬元,凍結1500萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案103."},{"start":3570.495,"end":3571.155,"text":"凍結5%委員蔡玉宇等提案104."},{"start":3571.155,"end":3573.616,"text":"農村再生規劃及人力培育計畫,凍結1000萬元委員邱志偉等提案105."},{"start":3573.616,"end":3575.137,"text":"農村農產業人力活化,剪裂600萬元委員陳亭飛等提案106."},{"start":3575.137,"end":3576.177,"text":"剪裂150萬元,凍結500萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案107."},{"start":3576.177,"end":3576.197,"text":"凍結1000萬元"},{"start":3596.499,"end":3603.07,"text":"委員陳明文等提案、108農村再生建設及發展計劃、凍結一千萬元委員邱志偉等提案"},{"start":3605.667,"end":3615.271,"text":"109.農村再生基金因省慎評估實際缺工情形並妥擬因應對策於一個月內提出書面報告委員蘇志芬等提案110."},{"start":3615.271,"end":3625.895,"text":"領悟基金因檢討強化各項工程設施與設備之更新及構制等事前規劃評估作業委員蘇志芬等提案111."},{"start":3625.895,"end":3632.538,"text":"請農發基金因持續檢討道明產業政策之妥適性於一個月內提出書面報告委員蘇志芬等提案"},{"start":3634.819,"end":3657.408,"text":"112請農發基金應持續加強宣導並檢討經濟保單內容設計以提升農民投保意願於一個月內提出書面報告委員蘇志芬等提案113請農業天然災害救助基金應檢視現行農業保險之給付範圍及額度檢討目前天災救助額度及範圍之合理性委員蘇志芬等提案114"},{"start":3659.429,"end":3674.322,"text":"要求農業部於一個月內具體提出近年分散外銷市場並擴大出口規模執行成果及基金作為之書面報告委員賴瑞榮等提案。115要求林業署應檢討．利造林之推動方案"},{"start":3674.882,"end":3693.388,"text":"提交專案報告委員賴瑞榮等提案116為落實我國漁業產業整體體質韌性並提高競爭力要求農業部於一個月內提出本計劃各項事項之辦理進度預算分配情形以及成果報告委員賴瑞榮等提案"},{"start":3695.269,"end":3717.306,"text":"117要求農業部檢討現行農業保險之及附範圍節額度以及目前天災救助額度及範圍之合理性委員賴瑞榮等提案118漁業基金規模變小不利漁業署推動相關沿近海及遠洋漁業發展要求農業部於一個月內提出書面報告委員賴瑞榮等提案119"},{"start":3720.269,"end":3732.691,"text":"農業部應於一個月提出漁業基金收入來源擴充辦法透過提高基金自給率降低國庫壓力委員賴瑞榮等提案120請農業部確實檢討農產品產銷失衡之問題癥結並研磨改善產業結構委員楊瓊英等提案121請農業部檢討強化各項工程設施與設備之更新及構置等事前規劃評估作業委員楊瓊英等提案"},{"start":3750.855,"end":3769.885,"text":"122請農業部．針對森林遊樂區．遊客人數未如預期．營運情況欠佳．積極研謀改善方案委員陽瓊英等提案123請農業部因應貿易政策開放．保障豬農收益．針對部分關鍵績效指標未達原定目標．通盤檢討並加強辦理委員陽瓊英等提案"},{"start":3774.328,"end":3795.199,"text":"124.請農業部具體檢討並改善農業勞動力不足之問題委員楊瓊英等提案125.為紓解農村人口老化及勞動力不足問題政府需檢討相關政策委員孔文吉等提案126.該如何為未來領悟發展及造林基金財務規劃請於一個月內提出具體改善報告委員孔文吉等提案"},{"start":3796.819,"end":3816.804,"text":"127.建於現行公糧收購以干穀及屍穀兩種形態進行．要求農業部應統一方式收購．並於一個月內提送數目報告委員陳超明等提案。128.依督促檢討妥善規劃基金整體財務資源或可研議增加供庫撥補以外資氏族財源．"},{"start":3819.064,"end":3835.619,"text":"委員．迎等提案129．農業部．持續檢討稻米產業政策之妥適性．研議提升收購工糧之品質與積極拓展銷售管道委員．迎等提案130．農發基金．確實檢討產銷失衡農產品之問題癥結並積極研議改善產業結構委員．迎等提案131．"},{"start":3844.706,"end":3861.79,"text":"農業部與積極開發保單之同時．持續加強宣導並檢討經濟保單內容設計．提升農民投保意願委員丘瑩的提案。．132．八仙山雙流及池南等三處森林遊樂區虧損加劇．營運情況惡化以研磨改善．"},{"start":3865.891,"end":3878.644,"text":"委員．委員等提案133為提高農民保障及協助農民建立風險分攤與管理意識以檢討現行天災救助額度與範圍妥適性委員．委員等提案134請農業部於三個月內提出良政業務計劃改善報告確實檢討稻米產業政策委員．委等提案"},{"start":3890.434,"end":3897.656,"text":"135.請漁業署於一個月內提出漁發基金存續必要性及業務移轉可行性書面報告委員丘志偉等提案136.請農業部於3月內針對檢討森林遊樂區營運及改善計畫提出書面報告委員丘志偉等提案"},{"start":3910.269,"end":3922.613,"text":"137政府公庫撥款收入暫農發基金之基金來源比例預期成．農業部應督促檢討妥善規劃基金整體財源資源委員陳亭飛等提案138漁業發展基金本期預計短促達1554萬3000元．農業部應督促檢討妥善規劃基金整體財務資源委員陳亭飛等提案139"},{"start":3938.619,"end":3959.966,"text":"政府公庫撥款收入．農村再生基金之基金來源比例逾9成．農業部應督促檢討．妥善規劃基金整體財務資源．委員陳亭飛等提案。140漁業署應審酌基金存續之必要性．並研議將剩餘業務一列公務預算辦理．委員陳亭飛等提案。141"},{"start":3962.045,"end":3975.169,"text":"要求積極落實《農村再生條例》立法目的推動農村永續發展及活化再生委員陳明文等提案農民退休基金142投資業務成本簡列10萬元委員陳亭飛等提案143"},{"start":3980.651,"end":3998.407,"text":"請農退基金應檢討問題癥結,積極提升農民參與率,於一個月內提出書面報告委員數字分等提案。請農業部研議對策,鼓勵農民儲蓄養老以提高農民退休儲金比例,委員楊瓊英等提案。"},{"start":4000.469,"end":4007.354,"text":"145.農民退休儲金．提繳年齡層官之輕農參與率相較偏低．檢討問題癥結．積極提升農民參與率．委員丘瑩等提案146."},{"start":4007.354,"end":4011.776,"text":"請農業部於兩個月內提出如何有效提升農民參與．農退儲金意願之書面報告．委員丘志偉等提案"},{"start":4023.484,"end":4047.204,"text":"147．農業部因省盛聯盟適當投資策略創造基金長期穩定之收支收益請農業部於一個月內提出書面報告委員陳清飛等提案148．要求該基金聯盟適當投資策略創造長期穩定之投資收益以保障退休農民經濟安全委員陳明文等提案149．"},{"start":4049.265,"end":4069.779,"text":"農民退休儲金、輕農參與率相較偏低．要求該基金檢討問題癥結．以積極提升農民參與率．委員陳明文等提案。 宣讀完畢好,我們先休息三分鐘"},{"start":5070.845,"end":5071.968,"text":"本集完"},{"start":5121.343,"end":5147.234,"text":"好繼續開會那我們現在就開始協商我們先確認議事錄請問同仁剛剛宣讀的上次會議議事錄有錯誤沒有好議事錄確定好我們現在開始來處理113年度農業作業基金的提案那我們先處理這一個"},{"start":5150.448,"end":5173.698,"text":"業務收入,我們有三個案,我們先處理第一案是賴洛榮委員要建議增列500萬,請農業部說明有關於稅產改良作業基金的部分,賴委員要求增列500萬,我們遵照辦理"},{"start":5176.5,"end":5204.83,"text":"好,對,我就是希望好不好,就是我來整列啦,就朝這個方向來努力啦好,好,好,好,那就照案通過那處理第二到第三案是蘇志文委員跟陳明文委員是希望這個租金及權利金收入要整列那有關於第二案跟第三案是根據我們那個農業科技園區的作業基金的部分"},{"start":5205.47,"end":5228.835,"text":"那這個部分本身的那個相關的這些租金跟他的相關的這個權利金大致上都是固定的那特別是因為過去過去兩年因為疫情的關係有一些已經有一些那個租金的一個減免那今年度我們廢物那明年度的部長我請教你好不好我問你一下你認為我們的出租率應該多少才算是正常"},{"start":5230.373,"end":5247.237,"text":"跟委員報告我們那個農科園區是有兩期那第一期的部分那出租率已經達到90%那第二期的部分是前兩年才開始就是開始就是就是說你出租率應該是90（那目前第二期的部分90幾公斤已經有20幾公斤的出租數據了90%才算是正常嗎沒有錯吧"},{"start":5251.298,"end":5275.764,"text":"對就是說慢慢沒有錯嘛齁沒有錯嘛齁就是說你們應該出出力的90%第一期就90%嘛對對所以第二期現在才17.9%20幾了20幾了嘛齁你現在那個報告你是19那就20幾了嘛20幾了所以你的意思是90%是正常那一季你什麼時候可以達到90%我們一季是一年到10公頃到20公頃一年一年那113年可以達到幾%"},{"start":5278.584,"end":5305.791,"text":"113明年度我們是起喜看看是不是有10公頃的土地可以出租10公頃是幾百分之十所以你的意思是一年10公頃10%你要達到98還要再9年意思是這樣子嗎對其實第一期的部分它也是90幾公頃將近100公頃也是走了20年才達到這樣所以你現在意思就是說你現在20%算是正常的"},{"start":5306.812,"end":5317.065,"text":"所以剛剛你講的這個因為什麼的疫情關係是根本這個因素不存在嗎?你意思是說我本來那就是1%是正常的啊,是1年之後10%、10%、10%要走10萬年了啊?是這樣嗎?"},{"start":5322.472,"end":5322.892,"text":"議員８發言委員："},{"start":5347.819,"end":5352.302,"text":"我會去要求他們不能用過往的習性每年10%現在本身的整個農企業慢慢的跟政府結合了"},{"start":5368.773,"end":5396.258,"text":"我覺得那個比例應該在增加啦我最起碼有在委員會我們有提醒你啦不要以為你這樣做是正常的啦你不要以為你現在的心態就是正常的嘛就說這樣10%是正常的喔我是10%是正常不正常啦你的基金要用去經營你要達到80%啦對不對你現在這樣做是錯的啦好不好好我想我們會再檢討一下看看怎麼樣去加強那個出租的那個比例"},{"start":5398.599,"end":5409.524,"text":"主席我們用組決議的方式把它處理好不好好 謝謝委員那第二跟第三案都改組決議好那我們現在處理第四跟第五案來請農委會說明"},{"start":5412.93,"end":5428.778,"text":"第四案跟第五案是有關於那個作業那個總培改良作業基金的部分那這個基金本身最主要就是我們一些政策性的種子包括玉米、高粱都是透過總培改良廠、繁殖廠在繁殖的也繁殖本身有不同的品種"},{"start":5429.838,"end":5452.1,"text":"那有些品種可能因為氣候變遷的關係有些品種可能比較不耐相關的一些溫度的關係那有些品種可能比較早熟那有一些地區他可能會種比較晚熟的所以會造成有一些當初在預估的時候的種子本身的一些庫存那消費我們會有盡量能夠多元利用那第二個部分就是說整個的"},{"start":5453.121,"end":5473.926,"text":"改良農產品的一個銷貨成本那相對的他會影響到我們的採種本身的量能那這個部分我想推廣帶廊商的部分的玉米的部分的需求高量的需求也是需要這樣的一個銷貨整個的一個費用那也建請這個委員能夠建議免三照原例數"},{"start":5477.672,"end":5493.409,"text":"總苗齁,剛剛講到玉米齁,事實上我覺得我們因為所有玉米在我們嘉義是最多齁,我覺得我們現在的總苗出來都被民風3號打趴,幾乎所有的農民都是在搶民風3號啊,搶不到民風3號才回來買我們的台農8號,是不是這樣?"},{"start":5499.496,"end":5499.916,"text":"就是我們的農民為什麼"},{"start":5523.616,"end":5529.701,"text":"不會想要去中我們本土那一定有他的原因嘛大家都在搶民風3號越來越貴"},{"start":5532.902,"end":5556.69,"text":"總值越來越貴,他們的成本就提高,他們還是在搶,這怎麼貴他們還是在搶,這個我覺得這個要去想辦法。對,我們會,所以那個CNN單位我們會積極叫他們預出一些比較中晚熟的,因為某些地區他需要比較中晚熟的,去搭配那個節氣嘛,去整。所以七六八,現在目前的七六八的效果就不錯了,新的品質就比較好。有比較好。"},{"start":5559.751,"end":5583.793,"text":"好來這個各位委員每一件每一件那第4跟第5案如果照他們委員是要檢列喔還有凍結喔對我們是建議不要檢列跟凍結照原列數照原列數那是不是可以改組決議好不好好改組決議好那第4跟第5案陳平輝委員跟賴瑞榮委員的提案都改組決議對都改組決議"},{"start":5585.495,"end":5603.251,"text":"好,那我們現在處理第6跟第7案,來請說明。那第6跟第7是有關於那個續產改良作業基金的部分。那續產改良作業基金裡面在做的最主要是飼料啦,飼料本身,因為我們在做相關的這些整個的續產繁殖的時候,那些飼料"},{"start":5605.293,"end":5631.286,"text":"是最大的一個業務成本那飼料因為過去兩年整個飼料的玉米比較高漲相對的現在目前雖然說開始有比較緩降但是還是相對於其他的其他的年代年份還是比較屬於高點所以我們這個部分我們會積極去尋找國內的替代的試炒料但是相對的這樣的一個業務的成本我們也希望說能夠免於凍結然後造源劣素"},{"start":5636.201,"end":5646.787,"text":"請問各位委員我的約改組決議第7案改組決議好那就第7案改組決議那其餘預算照列"},{"start":5648.083,"end":5666.877,"text":"好,那我們再處理第8到第11案來請部長說明第8到第11案本身是有關於農業科技園區的一個作業基金那其實這個作業基金裡面本身有幾個比較重要的就是委員在關切的就是有關於整個的一個"},{"start":5668.479,"end":5693.775,"text":"一個招商的部分剛才陳秉文委員也建議了然後剛才賴委員也提到了像這個部分我們現在目前已經招引了大概494家然後面積的出租率也越來越剛才已經達到90那二期的部分我們會盡可能的去加強他的年增加率這個部分我們會努力提升那第二個部分是有關於相關的業務的這些"},{"start":5697.118,"end":5713.272,"text":"進駐裡面的這些企業本身的一個培育人才培育是一個非常重要的那我們希望說進到園區裡面的那個業務能夠彼此的互相也能夠當作一個合作的一個異業的合作夥伴那這個部分我們也是在整個的總費用裡面去做這些處理的"},{"start":5713.812,"end":5740.122,"text":"那第9案本身的這些財務費用最主要是利息的部分,利息的部分有上升好像陳婷婷委員所關切的這個議題裡面因為貸款的利息現在目前有增加然後另外在這裡的這些財務費裡面有一些必須要去處理水資源的維修就相關的這些污水的維修那等一下還會有一些興建的部分所以這個部分還是建請我們委員能夠建議免刪除免凍結造原列數"},{"start":5741.414,"end":5755.324,"text":"副部長可不可以說明一下農業科技園區作業基金的部分原來的3.9億後來又再增加了1098萬左右決算數也增加4千多萬這個要不要再說明一下"},{"start":5757.625,"end":5771.611,"text":"來 等一下那個陳其邦委員先發言後再一起說明我的部分我可以改組決議但是部長應該知道我的用意在哪裡就是說我們的後壁藍花園區"},{"start":5773.952,"end":5794.963,"text":"當然在當時候您有說現在已經報給行政院報院了但是我希望說這個部分能夠給我們快速的一個答覆怎麼樣把它整個準備好而不是讓我們覺得說給了中央好像感覺還是一樣這部分比較重要謝謝"},{"start":5798.659,"end":5824.067,"text":"主要我們整個管理會增加是因為我們廠商加速這幾年有增加所以它維護管理成本會增加尤其是污水處理量有兩家大食品廠進廠那污水量的處理量會增加所以在這邊跟我們說說好那我的也改組決議了好那我這案也是改組決議好那第"},{"start":5826.034,"end":5848.475,"text":"8到第11案預算照列賴瑞隆、陳廷飛第8、9、11案改組決議我們接下來處理第12案那第12案本身的這個部分最重要的就是我們正在辦理水資源的第三處理場的污水處理場的第三期跟第四期的擴建工程"},{"start":5849.218,"end":5874.735,"text":"那因為現在目前原區包括第二期的原區開始進入了以後那相關的這些污水的處理要符合相關的保準所以我們針對污水處理廠在前兩年就開始規劃然後現在就正在興建那我們希望在這個預算能夠照原列數來編列好沒意見如果沒有意見我們再按預算照列謝謝接下來是"},{"start":5878.636,"end":5881.823,"text":"處理主決議案第13案遵照辦理"},{"start":5883.063,"end":5909.205,"text":"好 那就照案通過第14案 遵照辦理 照案通過第15案遵照辦理 照案通過第16遵照辦理 照案通過第17遵照辦理 照案通過第18遵照辦理 照案通過第19遵照辦理 照案通過第20遵照辦理 照案通過第21遵照辦理 照案通過第22遵照辦理 照案通過第23遵照辦理 照案通過第24遵照辦理"},{"start":5909.725,"end":5921.6,"text":"遭難通過25遵照辦理遭難通過26遵照辦理遭難通過2727有部分的文字修正那是不是可以唸一下"},{"start":5923.177,"end":5950.734,"text":"委員我們這個案子我們建議文字修正就是那一個有關於要成立若農產業發展基金這幾個字我們建議修正為牛產業升級及轉型發展中層計畫那這個部分最後一行也一併做文字上的一個調整以上那有跟這個廷輝委員好OK好謝謝委員那就依修正後通過"},{"start":5953.407,"end":5975.388,"text":"來28 遵照辦理 早安通報29 遵照辦理等一下等一下 因為我講一下喔 29案齁 這我是我是建立農業部啦我覺得臺紐經濟協定生效以後整個紐西蘭的生如是大吉齁 進入我們臺灣市場沒有錯吧"},{"start":5976.283,"end":5988.55,"text":"是在2013年我們簽訂了對嘛所以影響我們國內的肉農生計這是很多很多肉農有特別跟我反映就是說其實他們他們進口的這些"},{"start":5991.551,"end":6016.107,"text":"所謂鮮乳大多數都是利用這個超高溫來殺菌嘛對不對所以造成大量的營養分都已經流失了跟鮮乳的養分含量是不一樣的喔而且他們的運輸期限也很長那保鮮這個期限大概都是在30天以上所以這樣子算不算"},{"start":6017.268,"end":6040.589,"text":"算不算叫做先汝?所以我們先汝的定義到底有沒有?我跟委員報告兩點第一點就是說先汝本身的保存期限那這個部分可能是跟衛福部針對先汝本身的這些製程有關的部分我們會跟衛福部來做協商到今天為止衛福部對先汝也還沒有定義嗎?沒有錯吧?"},{"start":6042.423,"end":6060.93,"text":"是不是這樣子?是不是這樣子?先祖有沒有定義?有沒有定義?所謂先祖是什麼?你定義一下目前的衛福部的定義是生乳經過殺菌之後以包裝冷藏販售的乳汁有沒有期限?"},{"start":6061.75,"end":6075.759,"text":"你今天講沒有期限所以這個沒有期限喔所以其實鮮乳如果在國內的話是從生產到消費者其實他的時間是很短的喔有的人是三年"},{"start":6080.897,"end":6086.925,"text":"但是你說從紐西蘭進口到台灣從他們生產到運輸到台灣進到市場要30天喔"},{"start":6096.724,"end":6121.173,"text":"這就是因為針對衛福部來說的說你生乳經過消毒以後包裝這個消毒牽涉到製程啦那相對的製程比較無菌的時候他們原廠所列的保存件要管所以這個部分我們會跟衛福部看看說怎麼樣去有沒有可能修改的空間這第一個第二個就是說我們更重要就是在乎我們台灣的牛奶不會因為"},{"start":6124.974,"end":6147.97,"text":"紐西蘭進口而上市這個信心所以我們也規劃了非常多的相關的策略不要緊我是覺得是這樣子當然台紐的一個經濟協定當然進口先來這我們無可厚非但是我們也要保障我們國內的這些弱龍尤其所謂的先祖的定義要清楚是了解"},{"start":6148.51,"end":6168.583,"text":"所以今天我們是不是主席能不能做一個主決議就是希望這個農業部跟衛福部能夠盡是讓所謂這個先辱這個定義能夠清楚的明定讓很多的這個業者是可以去遵循先注意你不會亂去發功課頂多他們這個從國外進口頂多是"},{"start":6173.635,"end":6196.962,"text":"保久乳吧我跟委員報告你怎麼會叫做鮮乳呢但是我們現在強調了臺灣鮮乳所以我們現在在相關的那個牛奶標籤裡面已經要做了修正也經過了大部分的酪農的同意食品廠的同意在原來標籤裡面會去強調臺灣鮮乳的部分這個部分可以做一些市場區隔沒有 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推展費以前是交行銷廣告那後來因為今年度那個預算科目修正改成那個推展費那主要是要跟那個原來那個媒體政策你有沒有覺得這樣怪怪的這樣改這樣名字好嗎這公務機關還講推展費因為這個是配合主席總署的那個科目定義的因為所有基金都是一致編列的"},{"start":7028.16,"end":7030.764,"text":"這種說明我是不接受的,但是我也沒辦法,你是主席統促"},{"start":7036.319,"end":7060.437,"text":"我的第35案我就同意改組決議但是我還是想要請問一下部長跟署長其實旅運費的部分從預算跟決算來看其實幾乎是袋子用的一半而已事實上旅運費從整個基金的部分其實短處的部分大概都從包括將近20億甚至前兩年有到36億以上"},{"start":7061.998,"end":7075.954,"text":"預估明年度大概也會到27億左右 其實還是要努力的遵截他的支出那李昕飛如果你的決算其實並不會這麼多 看起來只會用一半而已的話那是不是考慮就佐與三屆 也讓這個人民的感受會更好一點"},{"start":7077.255,"end":7099.386,"text":"來部長跟署長跟委員報告那這個問題是一樣的因為我們的那個旅運費事實上都很尊潔在支出那當時在之所以111億年的時候那個決算數會少也是因為疫情的關係那因為當時這個防疫的指引一下下來所以整個都有一點停下來但是後來發覺這個業務這樣推動會有受到影響特別是我們現在做擴大灌溉服務的"},{"start":7100.807,"end":7128.568,"text":"我們非灌區的地方都做他們都比較偏遠所以這個旅運費對同仁來講是非常非常的重要那再跟委員報告有關委員關心這個短促的事情過去在水利會時期每年大概要短促50幾億那我們改制之後馬上就降到49億那麼在110年降到這個36億那麼在我們明年我們有把握可以再降到27億所以我們事實上是做了非常非常多的努力那也希望委員能夠支持"},{"start":7128.888,"end":7134.718,"text":"好的了解那就請還是尊傑來使用了好不好請尊傑來使用不管是整個那個那我就改組決議好"},{"start":7137.984,"end":7163.411,"text":"主席要問一件事因為講這個推展費我想問一下就是說現在你們那個農田水利過去都是叫做江水缸現在江水缸好像漸漸少了你們都是委外然後讓他們再統一去找人來做這個部分是這樣所以你們未來的政策是都要把這個江水缸把它變成委外的"},{"start":7165.391,"end":7182.457,"text":"沒有沒有我們這個就是我們的漲水工那我們現在是把它定義為叫做協情人員那他會比較像是像我們的那個義交一樣就像那個交通警察搭配義交的這個做法一樣那一樣都是直接我們聘除非我們除非我們當地找不到人"},{"start":7183.357,"end":7209.062,"text":"所以你們還說要保持他們嗎?是是是因為他們是要幫你們顧水門啊是是是事實上所以地方的服務員要顧水、顧水門是是是他們比較熟嘛是是是對啊是,而且我們還有幫他們保護所以你們就是找不到人的情況之下才會叫委外對對對因為委外來畢竟有時候人也難找你知道嗎?是是是在地臨時有一些狀況的時候會找不到人對對對所以"},{"start":7210.742,"end":7222.412,"text":"縱使而委外吼,你們可能還是要跟地方的小組長,要跟他說,這個委外的人要怎麼,你是有狀況要叫人的順便叫人。是是是,是是,好,好,好,謝謝文職董。"},{"start":7224.369,"end":7237.005,"text":"那我們現在就是三四到三七就是三五改組決議那其餘是預算照列好那我們再來處理38到40案好請部長說明"},{"start":7241.891,"end":7266.839,"text":"38到43最主要就是一個我們一般建築跟設備那最主要就是有關於我們的農水路的建設是最主要就是用在用在相關的經費那這邊的經費有委員提到說這個經費有增加那最主要就是因為我們因為不夠所以我們那時候還特別在那個12特別預算去請證就是說去增加相關的預算可以增加到140億"},{"start":7269.259,"end":7295.753,"text":"今年度我們執行了70億那個效果非常好就是說有太多農水路可以比較快速的修正那明年也有48億的這個E2特別預算來預注在這個建設經費裡面所以我們期待就是說明年的整個農水路能夠更加速的去能夠處理特別是在有一些灌區外的也好或是灌區內必須要去增加渠道的部分我們都會用這樣的一個經費盡可能去努力"},{"start":7296.833,"end":7318.408,"text":"所以希望說能夠照原列數來編列陳明和議員今年的增益排水預算你們有沒有增加有70億我們的預後總共是141億然後今年度執行的是70億部長、署長其實增益排水這個部分其實你們要把它平定"},{"start":7319.96,"end":7335.473,"text":"各縣市哪一條叫爭議排水我們就是編列預算要把它做不要再讓你現在還是有很多條的爭議排水現在還是在踢皮球嘛到底這條是什麼要做不知道嘛"},{"start":7336.414,"end":7352.493,"text":"所以我是覺得不要讓不要讓我們民意代表一條一條的向你爭取建議我是覺得已經這些爭議排水所謂爭議排水就是長期以來水利會的時代到底是水利事要做還是管制會要做還是水利會要做"},{"start":7354.45,"end":7383.286,"text":"一直沒有辦法清除的一個責任定位所以現在既然我們是公務機關這已經我們如果要說的都幾十年了很多東西都已經荒廢了所以我是覺得我們就去清查一下就是這樣子把它做這樣可以嗎?所以今天我們是不是可以做一個主決議就是爭議排水希望由農水署"},{"start":7383.946,"end":7400.52,"text":"能夠全面清查那10年編的預算把它完成,這樣可以嗎?可以那是不是這個我們今天也是請我們農會事務委員簡單來寫一下那還是朝你一下還有這個就算是39案這個部分"},{"start":7403.584,"end":7407.49,"text":"你們113年是．今年是編列95億吧．比去年增加40億 你們有這個主席的能力嗎"},{"start":7414.815,"end":7434.332,"text":"有有有有為什麼報告委員齁因為我們實際上我們17個管理處啊都有非常優秀的工程人員而且我們在地方上在協調用地各方面事實上效率非常高我們都是自己測量設計的所以只要同仁願意部長你們的基金114年到111年的結算結議都超過10億喔蛤"},{"start":7440.317,"end":7454.565,"text":"跟委員報告這個是佔你們的預算數的兩成以上喔所以我告訴你 你說你今年平均年你減到40年的年齡 這個執行能力這個是我存你的喔"},{"start":7456.697,"end":7469.545,"text":"跟委員報告事實上我們在今年事實上特別預算今年就開始執行了一共有70億我們到目前為止幾乎都有是好但是這個執行利益是我們以後是要跟你算帳的感謝你提醒好謝謝"},{"start":7479.45,"end":7490.259,"text":"那這樣的話就是剛剛陳明文委員說的主結議就慢慢寫一下好不好那其餘預算照列好那我們來處理這個41案"},{"start":7493.959,"end":7511.074,"text":"事前遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵"},{"start":7512.479,"end":7534.829,"text":"一修正後通過43案遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理"},{"start":7536.69,"end":7557.139,"text":"改善計劃部分工程尚未辦理顧驗計價作業,這個把它劃掉那其他的有跟廖委員有跟廖委員還有最後倒數第二行其預算執行的可能性令人質疑也劃掉我們有請廖委員也同意這樣"},{"start":7558.559,"end":7578.044,"text":"依修正確通過46遵照辦理遭案通過47遵照辦理遭案通過48遵照辦理遭案通過49遵照辦理遭案通過50遵照辦理遭案通過51遵照辦理遭案通過52遵照辦理遭案通過53遵照辦理好555555"},{"start":7581.424,"end":7582.666,"text":"新增29支議案主決議為因應114"},{"start":7602.233,"end":7625.74,"text":"明年臺紐經濟合作協定生效後．對國內糯農產業之影響．原建請農業部競速與衛福部．就先入國家標準之定義．進一步協商以有效區隔進口乳品之標示．確保國內糯農產業發展．委員陳明文等提案好,那就召喚同夥曾益白嘴那一條有,謝謝"},{"start":7629.79,"end":7636.899,"text":"好那這個就是正義排水這個等下處理好那這個二九之一照案通過好"},{"start":7637.998,"end":7664.419,"text":"那我們現在來處理這個農業特別收入基金那首先是五十四案五十四案來請通五十四通案五十四案的部分就是委員建議減列一百萬那基本上委員所關切的是相關的這些基金的這些用途包括他的一些國庫撥補的部分那整個基金在"},{"start":7665.66,"end":7692.446,"text":"在明年度的話公務預算這邊撥補大概371億來由公務預算來撥補的所以我們一定會照這樣的一個基金的用途去努力的去達成我們要做的包括整個農民福利的部分包括貸款那個貸款的部分青年農民貸款的部分還有一些基礎建設的部分我們都是用基金的部分去處理然後也建議說能夠維持原列數"},{"start":7694.704,"end":7723.001,"text":"好沒有意見不過這54是通案齁所以我們先好預算照列好預算照列好沒意見好那55案是那我先問一下啦好不好好55好部長、市長我們每年農民每年都繳公糧齁除了作為這個安全的慈悲以外同時也是提供給政府做調度使用嘛對那你們收到公糧以後你們大概都是怎麼銷售"},{"start":7724.232,"end":7742.157,"text":"我們分成好幾種第一個是在國內國內的話比如說在營養午餐或者是軍隊還有這些加工業者那加工業者本來是做食品的那後來像去年、今年的話就做飼料或者是做酒那另外還有外銷以及每一年大概2萬公里外銷今年15萬15萬噸這樣幾%"},{"start":7748.092,"end":7762.749,"text":"我們一年差不多六十到七十萬噸的工糧的處理所以十五萬噸的話大概占四分之一四分之二十五趴二十五趴二十五趴,那你介紹的時候多少?平均?"},{"start":7765.032,"end":7773.702,"text":"外銷?外銷因為這都股票啦,都股票,看能不能買到的喔,大概差不多,外銷差不多15、60元啦,15、70元。說得那麼好,15、60元嗎?不是90元、60元而已嗎?沒有啦,那是持留費啦。持留費多少?"},{"start":7781.391,"end":7793.944,"text":"市長你跟我們進口的五條的介紹,我們進口來到高雄港還是吉蘭港的這個介紹,照那個介紹,就是當天,那是日白的時候,到我們表的時候,就照那個介紹,現在是十一口三啦。"},{"start":7799.87,"end":7808.692,"text":"現在是11.3元11.3元是叫什麼的介紹叫玉米那個米有叫玉米的介紹嗎對現在我們的企業米我們的公牛當作企業米賣的是叫我們進口進到我們的碼頭的玉米的價格所以現在玉米就是11.3元所以但是過去玉米如果是6元你也不會6元的意思嗎"},{"start":7824.935,"end":7837.48,"text":"不是,六塊的時候我們會補到九塊,一公斤會補到九塊所以是由於六塊、七塊、八塊是同期的喔是,我們會補所以你現在說由於十一塊九、十一塊三,所以你現在說不是十一塊三,你就沒有補的意思嗎?就超過九塊就沒有補,因為全部都是給農民的"},{"start":7846.883,"end":7856.749,"text":"你這個治療費是你買進來還是要補給誰?不是啦,剛才說的這個治療費是不會給治療請的你不會給治療請的就是不會給治療請的嗎?對,對,對所以是不會照供你介紹不會給治療請?對,對,對所以如果不會到11塊,不會到9塊,你是補給什麼人?"},{"start":7871.328,"end":7891.473,"text":"市長的介紹方法就是要政府買公民的介紹,就是用郵遞的介紹買我這樣聽不聽得懂?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?市長,你聽得懂嗎?"},{"start":7898.537,"end":7909.312,"text":"所以我們用高科技介紹去賣我們的飼料米啦就是讓我們的國內的玉米也有它的支撐啦所以你是補助飼料清的喔"},{"start":7911.071,"end":7929.598,"text":"這跟補助都無關的,就是說我們的治療費買出去的時候,我們的參考的價格有兩個,如果說國外的價格高於9塊有沒有,我們就叫國外的價格去買,國外的價格如果低於9塊錢,我們就製造用9塊去買,因為我們國內收的藥品都製造9塊啦,用這個觀念。這樣我問一下,那些出生,要不要自己買?"},{"start":7939.056,"end":7943.861,"text":"委員 現在 委員 現在要是九塊 他們淨靠六塊沒有啦 過去 過去啦 我說過去的狀況 他們標的差異就是政府要出 政府要出 農民要補得高 那時候是這樣"},{"start":7951.294,"end":7957.3,"text":"我現在講的就是公糧欸我現在意思說你現在收起來變公糧你有賣給外銷民、你有塑料民、你有給一些金鐘的金融"},{"start":7969.974,"end":7974.257,"text":"委員報告啦,因為那個米吼,我們會燉三年啦,就是先久放到三年,那久的米的價格會比較高啦"},{"start":7995.769,"end":7996.35,"text":"過去我們長期當然農民"},{"start":8024.683,"end":8035.531,"text":"可能也有所謂稻米生產過剩所以大家都依靠要把米交給農工糧不管是計劃收購、輔導收購、醫療收購大家都很高但是看起來這一兩年四選三以後"},{"start":8040.754,"end":8055.14,"text":"那看起來我們的產量前提所以現在的介紹算不錯嘛是上秋現在的薪已經高了多少啊?12.6元對沒錯嘛所以現在就沒有人要如果高12.6元他就要告你公認就不會了對"},{"start":8058.021,"end":8083.052,"text":"那我今天在問你的意思就是這樣子就是過去的公糧你這樣子算起來跟現在這一兩年的公糧的數量現在算起來你是不是能夠把一些資料給我比較清楚的我要了解說在你4選3之前你所收受的這些公糧你這樣到底一年政府這樣賣出去的再收起來賣出去你之後多少"},{"start":8084.732,"end":8085.093,"text":"主席"},{"start":8100.906,"end":8116.397,"text":"沒了解,那你要告訴我說,如果說是收工糧,這些米,你這樣賣出去之後,這樣料多少,和你現在用4選3補足的,那這樣子一個成本起來,那我們也就了解到,到底這個政策是不是正確的"},{"start":8117.578,"end":8138.943,"text":"事前這個政策是不是正確的這個是值不值得我們立法院跟你繼續支持繼續鼓勵農民要這樣做的這樣站在政府也好站在農民也好站在我們的一半社會也好基本上我們都能夠達到一個我們意義的目標當然這個還是牽涉到工糧的收購價錢"},{"start":8145.16,"end":8167.668,"text":"現在農民就在說就是說還是希望我們農業部這一邊能夠提升公糧的收購價錢那因為現在的收糧公糧收購價錢你說現在這樣有夠嗎?事實上大家都知道每次我在政府主席的時候特別點每次一分地都成分都差300塊以上你要做嗎?署長"},{"start":8170.109,"end":8177.699,"text":"所謂省份啦,一分錢好三四百塊啦你肥料去營,你所有的一些經濟的一些省份,我們都省到"},{"start":8181.618,"end":8201.398,"text":"那我們公糧的這個收購架構．如果那天再計算．如果拿出去做2棵．這樣就付了成本了．去3棵是農民有感受了．當然就去5棵6棵．後面公糧收不到．市民都收不到米．這裡農商收不到米．"},{"start":8204.744,"end":8219.269,"text":"消費者也應用到,因為有的土土要進口,外國幣,日本人也買了混合米,事情又會發生了當然我們也不希望市場,我們年輕人想沒錢啦,所以我是覺得這個"},{"start":8222.1,"end":8235.665,"text":"糧食政策這個這個齁這個我們應該要好好的去討論一下所以我剛剛所講的這些資料是不是能夠完整的一份給我們可以嗎?我可以報告嗎?我可以報告嗎?我可以報告嗎?我可以報告嗎?我可以報告嗎?我可以報告嗎?我可以報告嗎?我可以報告嗎?我可以報告嗎?我可以報告嗎?"},{"start":8250.45,"end":8275.676,"text":"完全舊的變成飼料的事實上在有時候一年的或者是有一些履歷的我們就可以釋出那讓他的一個滾動的部分能夠可以增加那這個部分我想會後我想我們盡可能的一個禮拜之內提供給委員那另外第二個部分就是整個的一個稻米的這些公糧的這些政策跟包括價格的政策上次在委員會的時候我也承諾說我們會去去研議整個系統因為"},{"start":8276.576,"end":8286.997,"text":"不只是最主要是讓我們的稻農有穩定的收入這是我們共同的目標那用什麼樣的手段是能夠最有效而且最持續的達成這個我們就會做評估然後做專案報告"},{"start":8289.664,"end":8313.025,"text":"是不是我建議部長就是我們的糧食政策包括稻米的這個政策還有公糧這個都相互聯動的是不是有一個比較完整的一個報告然後給委員們每一個人都給好不好我覺得這個問題其實而且隨著時間的不斷的這個而且有些政策上在調整的時候其實我覺得可以有一些更精進的一些做法謝謝委員我想我們會這個大概多久可以完成"},{"start":8314.706,"end":8339.173,"text":"兩天、三天我們就可以...不是啊那個陳委員的那些相關的資料數據的資料先給我們啦但是後續的一些政策上的經濟...我想我們要你這些資料也就是事事可以說話拜我們要怎麼改變說4.3這個政策是對的我想這個才是有一個依據啦沒有改變不一定農民完全支持你4.3喔這點你也要清楚喔好不好"},{"start":8344.735,"end":8361.489,"text":"謝謝委員提醒還有就是公糧的收購價格你們年底看看之前能不能做一個討論好不好我是覺得公糧收購的價錢提高了兩三塊其實符合現在的一個成本所以我覺得這也是要速度跟農民做一個回應好不好"},{"start":8365.612,"end":8367.132,"text":"委員會主席委員會主席"},{"start":8386.978,"end":8411.213,"text":"這個重道會很多會暴增這個要提早面對我們現在正在做整個的那個這個大區輪作的一個檢討然後相對也會因應怎麼樣用更大的力道去讓他們去轉做包括高鐵沿線1.5公里擴增成3公里這個部分我們都在做一些研議你已經水道一定會重很多一定會重很多好"},{"start":8412.293,"end":8432.621,"text":"那這個五十五案呢?我們可以建議免於增列啦免於增列對這個陳委員這個五十五案加就免於增列好增列是什麼意思?這是照預算照列你就認為增列對你們會有阻礙人權嗎?"},{"start":8435.662,"end":8440.567,"text":"因為去年是56.6億,我們現在每年變56.9億,減到三千萬,現在這樣一年好,我懂,謝謝,我了解好,那就預算照列接下來處理這個56到58案,請部長說明"},{"start":8454.861,"end":8484.088,"text":"因為這個是公糧收購的預算啦這個公糧收購關係希望說我們委員是不是可以每年凍結或者是刪減因為各位知道明年一定會很多農民種那你這樣一刪減或者是凍結的話那明年一起我們就要輸給別人啦這個一收購進來的話所以這個如果一凍結的話到時候經費不夠的話事實上這樣的話可能會這個農民會有很多的怨言啦所以我們是不是希望說是不是就按照編列的數量的金額來造列"},{"start":8491.584,"end":8492.287,"text":"那我58案我改組決議"},{"start":8499.421,"end":8502.725,"text":"五十六跟五十八案改組決議,其餘預算照列"},{"start":8522.745,"end":8543.515,"text":"來再來59到62案社群委員這個59到62案這個是我們化學肥料還有有機質肥料的相關的資材的補貼因為各位知道在去年開始就是烏鱷戰爭所以為了我們要讓農民的這個肥料的成本不增加所以我們就讓他動漲"},{"start":8544.736,"end":8559.83,"text":"所以我們去年補助了18.9億那今年補助的到目前是補助了19億那我們會按照烏鶴戰爭或者是整個世界回料的價格如果說趨緩之後我們就會把它停掉那另外一方面就是有機質回料因為我們已經從10年前啊"},{"start":8561.852,"end":8576.9,"text":"每一年施用化學肥料100公噸已經降為80萬公噸那另外20萬公噸我們是用有機質肥料來補貼所以這一筆經費是化學肥料跟有機質肥料兩方面的這個肥料的對於農民的補貼讓他能夠降低成本以上好主席"},{"start":8581.566,"end":8593.944,"text":"國內的肥料上漲當然這是建金的關係但是建金聽起來、看起來我們有接近尾聲為什麼國內的肥料還沒有下跌?就是為什麼?"},{"start":8596.212,"end":8618.52,"text":"國內的肥料從去年開始漲的時候其實我們就動漲了就是由臺肥最主要臺肥會吸收一半的上漲的價格然後由我們農業部吸收一半的價格所以現在當它下降的時候只是我們政府補貼的有沒有就是吸收我講的是根本性問題就是肥料照供應該入來嘛對"},{"start":8621.401,"end":8627.269,"text":"國內的肥料價格都沒有下來這是什麼原因?肥料商有在拉抬價格有沒有?市長有沒有?你認為呢?有沒有?是"},{"start":8638.023,"end":8658.498,"text":"當然我要說的是,我也是支持農業部編列預算去平衡我們的肥料價格嘛,所以我沒有反對嘛但是問題就是說,為什麼應該要落來,不落來甚至你們現在把所有的預算都編列去補助什麼人,肥料商嘛對不對"},{"start":8659.258,"end":8674.128,"text":"不是這樣,我跟委員報告一下,肥料是這樣,我們台灣沒有辦法去生產那些肥料,那些都是酒油在提煉的,所以大概我們都會三個月半年前就要浸那些原料進來,那再來台灣製作,所以它會有時間上的落差"},{"start":8675.41,"end":8677.512,"text":"農民本來要增加但是我們不可以回到公司"},{"start":8691.829,"end":8692.91,"text":"我今天說肥料商故意在那裡"},{"start":8718.264,"end":8745.787,"text":"拉抬這個肥料的價錢你就不下來應該照說起來如果我們來判斷是市場的經驗判斷應該現在是要下來啊肥料要下來啊想到肥料價錢還沒有下跌還是在上漲中是不是有肥料商在豐台這個還是在拉抬這個價錢反正政府還是要補貼我們的肥料商所以我是在華語這一點我只是提醒你啦我沒有政績啦"},{"start":8746.588,"end":8752.873,"text":"台灣85%的肥料是由台肥進來的我們在去年開始吸收價差的時候就會幾乎每一天在監控它的肥料的進口價"},{"start":8774.651,"end":8799.991,"text":"然後那個價格是固定在那邊的他的差額就是臺肥吸收一半我們吸收一半那現在開始漏氣的時候我們的吸收你是信用臺肥啦我知道啦你意思是說我們是公股董事會在那邊監控但是我告訴你現在坦白說現在肥料就是去這套配錢是要用完啦我是覺得說你是可以用其他的手段去平衡平衡肥料的價錢我們現在的肥料都動漲喔沒有"},{"start":8803.854,"end":8819.327,"text":"現場是後面的事實上那個肥料是起起就不下來過了現在就落到那時候的監控到原來的那個點當它下來到原來的那個我們的價差點的話就會降了一般肥料之前有什麼介紹"},{"start":8831.107,"end":8837.431,"text":"現在看你的淡寧甲的部分現在航運都下降了,淡寧甲不是為政經的國家過來的"},{"start":8852.161,"end":8871.129,"text":"現在就是說我們的價差的吸收越來越小啦,等我們不吸收價差再往下跌的時候,肥料就可以回到平穩的價格,大概是這樣子。現在是價差在撐著嘛,所以價差越來越少的時候,少到某個程度的時候就回到我們當初監控的基準點,啊等到很漏氣,肥料價格就會往下降了。"},{"start":8874.091,"end":8896.524,"text":"這個我想我們一定會讓我們的農民好像這幾年我沒有聽過肥料往下降的沒有因為現在的我們的那個那個價差補貼一直維持在那邊等於說它降的時候還是在價差的吸收範圍之內當然啦當然啦可是問題是它不可能永遠都一直在高漲所以我想我們會隨時監控當它的價格已經降到該"},{"start":8897.825,"end":8922.699,"text":"那臺肥有可能會主動調降肥料價格嗎?如果調到了監控以下,他們會這樣做嗎?我們一定會要求,因為臺肥過往一直蠻配合我們的政策,包括肥料的這些政策,我想他們都很配合。那相對的我們的公股董事也會在那邊,當你監控價格達到某一個程度的時候,該反映到肥料價格反映給農民的時候,我們一定會去要求。那邱委員?"},{"start":8928.21,"end":8951.819,"text":"我請教一下剛剛那個署長您談到那個有機質跟化肥的補助那個比例大概是多少是一半一半嗎還是是化肥比較少還是化肥比較多照理講我們現在應該是比較鼓勵用有機質有機質的話我們如果是一般的慣性農化的每一公斤是補助兩塊錢然後一公斤是十萬"},{"start":8952.819,"end":8958.603,"text":"現在的農民大概普遍年紀都偏大所以你們過去的肥料一包都是40公斤降下來的已經變成20公斤"},{"start":8980.579,"end":8997.668,"text":"是說臺北領域你如果分做小包裝,那個成本又比較高,不太會合,那這個部分你們怎麼處理?但你有沒有把它,有幾種規格嘛,比如說你可以有5公斤的、10公斤的,你要考量到現在的農民,到底40公斤是否還沒走?"},{"start":9001.03,"end":9024.58,"text":"您現在有要求把它分作對一種包裝?有25個,都有。是。25喔?25也是很重的。我向委員報告,委員地面質詢講到就是說,原來的肥料40公斤比較重嘛。那現在已經,在去年其實我們已經反映過,它有變成20、25的。但是20公斤有時候還是很重。然後我們也跟臺灣有反映,但是這個牽涉到後面的生產線的調整啦。"},{"start":9026.081,"end":9044.926,"text":"所以我們已經有反映給台肥了然後看看說哪一些我們也收集哪一些肥料是比較需要小量化的部分就是公斤數變少的部分然後他那個生產線要做包裝線要做一個調整那如果說調整出來的時候有任何的一個進一步訊息我想我們跟委員回應"},{"start":9046.459,"end":9046.679,"text":"現在40公斤"},{"start":9067.709,"end":9088.556,"text":"農民也不知道工啊,但是你的範圍也不一定有這麼多啊,那你讓那個量,包裝的量體把它變小,相對來講價格也可以稍微降低點,你只是生產線稍微改一下而已嘛。沒有,這個部分就牽涉到兩個,一個是複合肥料的部分,我們盡量會朝委員的意見,因為複合肥料,"},{"start":9088.956,"end":9089.836,"text":"來,我看這輩的,欸,內內農委員,好,OK,好,那"},{"start":9109.468,"end":9125.198,"text":"那我處理啦齁那這個為了我看問題是很多啦齁因為這個涉及到農民齁他們的一些他們的用肥的一些如何讓他們比較可以便利去使用或者是穩定價格齁我看這個59到62我們就凍結1000萬好不好"},{"start":9130.42,"end":9142.153,"text":"凍結一千萬然後來做書面報告再解凍怎麼精進整個肥料的一個就是凍結一千萬然後提書面報告不解凍這樣好不好好來再來處理63到69案"},{"start":9148.782,"end":9168.698,"text":"來請部長說明報告各位因為最近這幾年的這個氣候異常那氣候異常的關係啊所以導致有一些如果說因為天氣的關係增產或者是產量不夠或者是因為在中國的政治因素的干擾所以量變成在外銷上受到受阻"},{"start":9169.258,"end":9189.511,"text":"所以這個我們用三之間包括內銷、加工還有外銷以這種方式來協助農民來幫忙農民維持他的價格在一定的水準之上所以這個產銷調節計畫這幾年來因為人為的因素就是兩岸的問題或者是天然就是不可抗力因為有時候乾旱"},{"start":9190.791,"end":9192.912,"text":"部長、署長,我請教一下,今年覺得價格不錯,應該有產銷調節嗎?"},{"start":9216.109,"end":9216.83,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":9235.379,"end":9237.643,"text":"我當然非常支持農業部的產銷調節這個計畫因為這樣可以改革短期的產銷的問題但是水果、蔬菜這些品項每年都要辦理這種產銷調節"},{"start":9251.102,"end":9253.865,"text":"農業部沒有速度地去協調農民來規劃下一年部的水股、蔬菜種子面積、計畫產量"},{"start":9272.724,"end":9287.417,"text":"農業其實就是一個計劃性的一個經濟其實你要剩下的水果其實是應該你們今年就要規劃夏年度啊明年啊對不對你們當然產銷調節是產銷過剩你再做調節那你事實上我們也要做規劃你們到底有沒有在做這方面的規劃"},{"start":9295.584,"end":9317.058,"text":"就是像冬季的這些國品包括橄欖還有柳丁還有一些棗子那另外這些棗子的部分蓮霧的部分其實我們上應該上個禮拜我們內部才開相關的整個產交調節的會議包括它的產量預測的部分所以委員所關心的就是說我們一方面是比較長期的就是說當這個品項持續都會生產過量的時候"},{"start":9320.72,"end":9343.658,"text":"那我們有很多就是讓他轉做的這些政策誘因讓他轉到其他的作務但是更重要產價調節會發生在因為氣候的異常像今年的感冒今年因為季節比較好或是因為他的總產量落外因為氣候的一些異常的部分然後前一陣子因為颱風的關係所以在當他已經達到某一個價格水準的時候"},{"start":9344.538,"end":9363.954,"text":"不會進場去做相關的這些產銷調節的這些基金沒有啦我只是提醒農業部而已啦我是說當然產銷調節這個計畫我同意啦但是我們還是希望農業部都要投訴的去規劃每一年度的一個水果、蔬菜的一個產量啦我是覺得是這樣"},{"start":9364.995,"end":9369.861,"text":"不要讓農民自生自滅啦我想這個是農業部應該要做的應該要更積極的去處理規劃我們這個農產品"},{"start":9379.974,"end":9381.395,"text":"我們其實還有很多努力的空間,我們會再精進"},{"start":9403.922,"end":9429.793,"text":"我也是建議那個產銷調節是在比較後端那前面如果有好的一些輔導跟規劃那其實可以減少那像前陣子大家就很緊張瓜地菜超重的問題嘛所以我的意思是說有時候是一些天然氣候變化或一些不可測的因素那當然我們政府就要大力但如果前面的部分整個規劃比較完善的話所以我是建議就是有這樣的規劃的時候應該有比較具體一些資料也提供給給我們了解啦至少大家知道說"},{"start":9430.413,"end":9455.51,"text":"在這件事情上政府做了哪些的努力不要每年同樣的事情明知道會發生然後不斷的再重複再發生好像政府在這件事情上的能夠處理的力道也很有限好 謝謝委員我想我們每一年的年底會有一個下一年度的整個柏品的這些生產預測跟它的一個調整調整的一個相關的資訊我們再把這個這個是不是也給經濟委員會我們再給經濟委員這樣然後我們趁這個機會包括你們的努力的一個成果包括你們預期的整個狀況好不好"},{"start":9460.393,"end":9467.756,"text":"我們剛剛同意的意見都很寶貴那產銷調節的計畫其實也是我們農委會裡面相當重要的一環其實農民的農產品介紹都不太好"},{"start":9481.96,"end":9506.603,"text":"我們都希望農產品的介紹比較好但是經常會在農民的權益跟消費者之間很難達到一個平衡所以有時候那個價格的過度的波動經常會引起很多不必要的或者是消費者的不必要的批評這個對於很多農民其實是不太公平的"},{"start":9509.357,"end":9530.929,"text":"我比較希望的是說我們還是要在經常性的讓我們的農民的農產品有一定的收益然後農產品的價格也能夠維持一定的利潤讓農民或者我們青年的農民願意返鄉去務農這個是很重要的"},{"start":9532.71,"end":9539.539,"text":"那產業調節的部分除非他真的是價格波動到一定的程度就是說消費者覺得這個已經超過一天都沒說起來這是人"},{"start":9545.083,"end":9548.906,"text":"農產品的價格是在我的感覺但是你們也都會給我消費價所以我覺得這個產銷調節的部分其實我覺得你們應該要真正的把農產品怎麼樣"},{"start":9569.105,"end":9585.127,"text":"見過在一個很合,就像我們現在的兩鏈的這一些計畫,基本上都希望說農產品能穩定的供給,然後穩定的價格,然後讓我們的消費者大致上也不會有太多負面的批評,最重要的,我不希望"},{"start":9585.808,"end":9605.377,"text":"我們的農民被汙名化了,如果介紹什麼比較好就沒農民了,這太管了,我覺得這不太公平。第一,中間的剝削我們要盡量減少,不要說我們這些價格的波動,結果最後農民沒有得到收益,反而是中間的中間商,他們囤積"},{"start":9608.078,"end":9625.712,"text":"居齊啦,還是說在這像淡的部分有一些是操作的嘛,有些東西是操作來造成價格的不穩定或價格的不合理,結果農民都在打坐,這我覺得這是很不應該,所以錢是比較少數啦,我不會去管你們錢的事情,但是要對我們的農民比較好,對我們的農民要比較照顧,對農產品的介紹要顧好事,這比較重要。"},{"start":9634.559,"end":9662.058,"text":"謝謝委員我也非常認同委員其實農民的職業是需要被尊重的那農產品的價格整體來看其實相對於國外我們農產品的價格其實還有一些合理的空間因為它的價格的確部分的時候太低了那第三個部分要回應的就是其實我們產價條約是在價格波動比較劇烈的時候我們才會進去裡面去做一些誘因的設計跟推廣這是部分"},{"start":9664.119,"end":9692.793,"text":"特別是我們剛才委員所提到中間剝削的部分我們現在已經拉了非常多的由產地直接跟我們的超市賣場直接的連接就不會去透過一些運商但是一個非常重要的我們也在宣導農民就是將我們的國品做分期因為有一些格外品都進到批發市場的時候當然會把整個價格會拉低所以我們也會針對這個部分繼續努力那各位委員還有其他意見嗎"},{"start":9694.95,"end":9695.21,"text":"接下來處理70-77案"},{"start":9710.298,"end":9724.372,"text":"70到77案都是跟我們的農業保險有關的就是我們現在已經開發了非常多的作物種類跟他的保單那相對的沒有錯我們很多保單可能還有一些改進的空間因為"},{"start":9726.073,"end":9726.193,"text":"陳銘文委員"},{"start":9749.301,"end":9760.771,"text":"部長、署長,農業保險的覆蓋率現在到底多少?50厘,百分之50厘啊,你覺得這個數字你有沒有理由?我個人是"},{"start":9762.065,"end":9779.319,"text":"不是那麼滿意因為我如果我看這個資料的話我會把水稻的覆蓋率跟跟豬吧豬的覆蓋率拿掉那個那個才會因為你就把那個稻米的覆蓋率拿掉還有豬的覆蓋率拿掉剩下多少"},{"start":9781.201,"end":9785.385,"text":"從國外的這些保險的經驗他其實開始的上升是環部的因為他需要讓農民去了解農業保險的風險的這些精神"},{"start":9800.299,"end":9803.22,"text":"部長,我的意思是,農業保險是政府的德政,沒有錯吧?是"},{"start":9818.624,"end":9843.171,"text":"但是事實上我們到現在為止我們一直沒有辦法增加我們的覆蓋率甚至沒有辦法擴展我們的一個農業保險的品項所以我的意思是這個責任是歸誰是農民的交易不夠還是你們宣傳不夠就是說這是一個好的事情是我們一直做不出來對不對這是你政府的責任"},{"start":9844.552,"end":9863.932,"text":"對,我想我們會加強香港．對農業部的責任我可以說第一個保單的設計可能要有一些重新思考的模式就是說因為有些是商業型保單那商業型保單有的商業保險公司他就是以利益為前提所以設計的那個保單可能對農民來講也許覺得說"},{"start":9866.875,"end":9879.668,"text":"保費太高理賠的風險我今天沒有辦法跟你契談你的行政技術問題啦你怎麼不想說其實說但是地方民進黨代表立場上我就很清楚告訴你"},{"start":9880.854,"end":9902.791,"text":"你的這個保險覆蓋率是偏低的是你們是不積極你們政府是沒有積極作為的所以目前為止農業保險算是不成功的我這樣講你們同意嗎我覺得可能委員的表達可能也許有一些我覺得有一些我必要解釋的就是從一個場景來看農業的保險他覺得"},{"start":9904.833,"end":9905.974,"text":"你認為應該多少才是正常的?"},{"start":9928.968,"end":9939.764,"text":"我之前有跟內部討論喔至少應該有10%才是一個比較合理的現在比較偏低啦所以我們會去努力去處理這個部分"},{"start":9940.47,"end":9960.447,"text":"我們還是希望農業部能夠擴大辦理一些農業的保險的品項幫助更多的農民在農產品的部分不會受到天然災害的影響好不好 我想農業保險是一個政府的德政事實上是農業部應該積極去做的好不好這是我們的責任 謝謝"},{"start":9963.87,"end":9986.728,"text":"農業保險這個很重要但是到今年的8月底的時候開辦27個品項43張保單但14個保單覆蓋率第一%包括甚至有幾個保單是沒有人投保的而且在跟去年前年比的話27個品項裡面又有15個品項是覆蓋率是不升反降退步往下退的"},{"start":9987.568,"end":10015.547,"text":"甚至有幾個退伍包括爐魚、農業設施、石斑魚、虱目魚、吳過魚跟鯉6個品項覆蓋率減少超過3%所以顯然其實成效上面是讓大家擔憂的那我覺得恐怕部長還有很大努力的一個空間一個是好的政策但是為什麼這個推行出來的成效其實是有很大的一些那我是建議可能部長要再做一個徹底的一個思考要怎麼來處理"},{"start":10017.709,"end":10020.312,"text":"農民,因為我也經常在產業跟業者作談,其實他們看到如果前兩年沒理賠,他們都不想保了。"},{"start":10035.709,"end":10053.377,"text":"所以他們對於那種長期的風險概念我覺得這個是我們的責任我們要讓農民瞭解就是說保險其實是當你遇到風險真的遇到風險損失的時候才會有理賠而不是說用保險去得到額外的這些補助"},{"start":10056.178,"end":10072.738,"text":"那這個部分我想我們本身的宣導很重要第二個就是保單的設計本身我們未來會加強所謂的天災連結型的這個部分這個部分可以跟天然災救助可以做一個互補所以我想我們一定會很認真的去做一個檢討"},{"start":10074.57,"end":10096.231,"text":"建議能不能就是要一份的報告給我們好不好就是整個其實我覺得是有些需要做一些檢討不管是保單設計或者是加強宣導啦據實啦就是沒有人希望這個保險是用到的但是一旦需要的時候他可能就會有很大的一個效果啦很多人保了很多的保險也希望都不要用到但是他一旦需要的時候他就可以減輕你非常大的一個損失"},{"start":10097.412,"end":10116.731,"text":"所以我是說這個觀念宣導跟整個保安設計要不斷的去講話這樣才能達到這個農業保險這樣一個目的啦我希望能夠有一個報告給委員會這邊那我是建議凍結一千萬然後提書面報告再行解凍來翁崇峻委員我們就凍結一千萬然後提書面報告那個這樣子齁"},{"start":10123.818,"end":10141.153,"text":"我們那個理局長其實他在就是在我們金融的這些像保險或者是說他各方就是我們基層的一些待放的部分他其實蠻照顧農民的這個是我第一點我要肯定農業金融局的部分那第二個部分像這種保險的東西"},{"start":10144.605,"end":10158.895,"text":"剛剛我們同仁在講的保單的設計很重要雖然我們現在把稻米跟豬拿掉之後我們的覆蓋率相對很低但是保養的部分其實"},{"start":10162.177,"end":10178.7,"text":"還是對於大宗的、比較大宗的、大面積的種植其實我們還是要優先去處理啦比如說像水地的部分像我自己的故鄉、基地、它的面積就比較少但是我的域名很多啊,我的域名的面積很多啊"},{"start":10179.381,"end":10203.759,"text":"那比方說高粱的部分我們現在又我們又在替代作物的部分像高粱的部分今天我所知道的好像也有一些禮賠啦大概盡量不說很好啦或者是說我們跟金門像鹽水農會現在金門也要在那裡在鹽也不會過啦其實這些東西將來因為天候的變化其實很大啊所以變成說"},{"start":10205.06,"end":10218.934,"text":"我們經常會面對的很多大宗物資也面對很多挑戰的嘛那很多挑戰假設我們能夠用保險去做一個cover像我們昨天民雄、民雄、民雄都在講經濟嘛經濟水利到底要補助還是不補助還是要用補助比較好這個都會產生這些問題啦"},{"start":10227.643,"end":10247.256,"text":"所以我感覺說你們會被比較大面積的這種作務其實你們還是優先要擺在第一位啦我剛才提到你們對於像玉米或者是現在我們在推動的我們現在希望能夠高量增加我們這些面積這些你們當然要有什麼具體的計畫要怎麼做好保養的工作讓我們這些農民願意來參加這個保養覆蓋率會提高當然我們剛剛同仁在講到的像保單的設計你還是"},{"start":10257.904,"end":10271.557,"text":"農業部最重要的就是所有的事情都要把農民跟農業擺在第一位你英文就要有這個想法,我們不管怎麼樣就要據理力爭啦因為農業是最弱勢,啊農業今天你如果不替農民發聲你保單沒有幫農民去,你敢這樣農替民,你敢這樣看有補端生意什麼樣"},{"start":10281.286,"end":10300.691,"text":"我告訴你 全都看不下去啦他也不知道到底保端的設計對於有利跟不利假設今天我們主管單位你有這些人才你不去幫他做把關的工作你給他解剖解剖解剖到最後他也不一定得利啊所以這一部分我們通常在講到保端的設計的部分跟你剛剛講 這很重要的你們要把整體的做一個規劃"},{"start":10302.071,"end":10304.613,"text":"你今天去做部長有可能半年．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．�"},{"start":10328.905,"end":10354.494,"text":"我要說農民是怨聲載道因為為什麼這樣事實上我們之前已經有經歷過如果在於您這個農業保險的設計針對稻米它會有不同的品項有不同的稻米然後他們抗蟲害的能力是不同的所以您這個農業保險會想說我現在在我家裡我很多人要選擇一盒"},{"start":10357.395,"end":10373.987,"text":"如果不進財的話怎麼辦?因為他的損害,他的農損比較多可是他的平均值卻會被其他不同種類的影響,這是第一個所以你們要針對不同種類的稻米是不是要有獨立的一個設計?第二個,現在稻米的農業保險,你的理賠標準是用公所所定的農情標準"},{"start":10386.536,"end":10399.234,"text":"那公所的農情標準是不是符合實際的標準那為什麽不要回到讓農會他們事實上應對收入應對農民休息多少,等到他們更內行還有你怎麼說農情標準,然後農情標準"},{"start":10403.437,"end":10430.025,"text":"過去有一些農情標準有過去農情標準這個東西沒有什麼好過所以在過去你用5年前5年抓3年的平均這個農情標準這個農情標準未必符合實際狀況那就產生了農業保險是否理賠的這一個然後會有高度的爭議我想這個已經上路兩年了這兩年來確實也都有爭議發生那你們要怎麼杜絕這樣的一個爭議"},{"start":10433.424,"end":10455.043,"text":"我向委員報告,第一就是產量的基準我們現時是用農情調查過去五年的去頭去尾的奧林匹克平均沒有錯,農情調查過去不是為了保險計算用的這是我必須要同意的但是如果說你用農會的本單或收入"},{"start":10456.768,"end":10482.696,"text":"那更不可靠因為農民以水稻來講我交農會但是我有時候會直接交自營商所以他的稻米不是全部進到農會系統的時候那相對的他的產量以農會來講就會比較低所以這個其實我們也考慮到如果不要要農會那是不是回到農情調查要怎麼進進對,農情調查就是現在唯一公開的資訊所以我們現在也在增加"},{"start":10483.416,"end":10508.416,"text":"特別是農情調查我正在處理就是農情調查不管不論是水稻也好所有的作物都一樣它的農情調查如果不精準的時候我們後續的所有的保險的依據都會掛掉所以我們很重要就是我們針對農業的保險包括第一線的調查員然後包括怎麼樣用無人機本身去監控面積然後去用透過我們的改當場的協助去監控它的產量"},{"start":10509.096,"end":10534.191,"text":"還有一些平割的所以這個數據大概在兩三年之內就會把過去的農情調查的資料洗過一遍那洗過一遍的話他以後就會比較精準所以這個部分我想我們已經在做了那我也請委員能夠支持那像這個部分我想我們未來一定會特別是農業的數位化資訊的一個時代我們會把非常多的這些數位資訊包括一些續產的資訊我們也會針對調查的部分做精進"},{"start":10537.649,"end":10537.669,"text":"會議結束"},{"start":10540.885,"end":10568.283,"text":"玉米跟高粱我講謝謝您提醒啊玉米跟高粱我非常謝謝委員的一個建議就是玉米高粱本身高粱的部分其實我們已經進到已經大概投保率95%那因為它是一個當初我們在推帶兩張作物的時候高粱是一個非常重要的一個依據那玉米的部分我們現在正在做規劃但是玉米本身它"},{"start":10569.444,"end":10592.374,"text":"會比較有一點複雜度那我們希望說在明年初吧明年初的時候會把這個玉米的整個的一個保險的會重新去做計算那最重要就是還是剛才講到的就是他的理賠的就是產量的基準的計算這個部分我想我希望說他能夠更精進那我同時也在考慮就是說天然災害救助跟農業保險"},{"start":10594.611,"end":10623.439,"text":"某個程度可以雙軌但是不能百分之百雙軌要有一個更好的一個銜接啦不然會造成一些更大的一個困擾所以我們也在設計這個部分然後這個部分我想未來我想我們會更精進我來建議一下啦你說明年7月啦你有心要做啦最好不要在元月15號以後啦復會之後你自己可以推出來因為剛才我說我是"},{"start":10624.577,"end":10637.794,"text":"我們這個算老兵啊,我們這個也已經要退休了,啊你如果在我們退休陣營,我們沒辦法就馬上走,最起碼我們也可以,等於說我要退休陣營,我要讓大家催生,要準備保養,幾個月前,你兩個月前,十五個月以前,用我喝水啦。"},{"start":10643.821,"end":10643.941,"text":"來,那就照"},{"start":10664.748,"end":10689.956,"text":"賴瑞榮委員我們就是凍結一千萬那書面報告後是得凍資好那接下來處理78案78案的部分就是我們的加強流行性感冒的一個防疫計劃這個部分拜託委員能夠支持就是照原例書因為這整個的一個加強包括這些這些"},{"start":10692.86,"end":10706.276,"text":"監測的部分,像禽流感要做監測的部分防疫的部分,這個都是在這個計畫裡面去支應的特別是冬天到了很多疫情的一個發生這個部分我想是不是可以請委員能夠支持?有沒有跟廖國棟委員?"},{"start":10708.608,"end":10720.165,"text":"這個我們是會支持啦但是這是廖國東委員的提案有沒有跟廖委員溝通了這個有沒有改組決議他有同意然後改組決議是不是有拜會他"},{"start":10725.448,"end":10736.074,"text":"他有敗會但是他沒有簽名我覺得這個還是要支持啦這個對於禽流感對整個防治在溝通的時候你給他講一下"},{"start":10737.555,"end":10738.435,"text":"改組決議文字會修正再送進委員會"},{"start":10767.671,"end":10795.256,"text":"好,那修正後該主決議。再來,79案。79案是有關於農地生產環境的整備的部分。這個部分,分作兩部分。這個部分就是說,我們現在農地的盤查,有沒有。特別是這些違規工廠相關的農地的、幼狼農地的維護的一個盤查的部分。還有包括一些管理的部分。就是特別是現在我們這個公服法的一個實施以後,我們針對我們的"},{"start":10796.596,"end":10797.237,"text":"這次我是希望照MT案通過"},{"start":10820.471,"end":10844.589,"text":"因為這個農地的部分其實它跟國土規劃裡面有比較密切的關係那第二個它對於公福法的部分當然我們還是有一些爭議就是說這些農地的處理我們公福法裡面到底要怎麼樣去做才比較符合公平正義其實大家還是有一些爭議所以過去在很多中央合同我們一直在講到說我們"},{"start":10846.73,"end":10871.436,"text":"國土規劃的部分尤其是農地的部分或是說你來維作國土保育區其實對農民來說是跟他判施刑一樣所以到底要怎麼讓農民他感覺政府在國土規劃的過程裡面我們一輩子讓你維作農地或是維作國土保育地雖然我們判施刑但是你對我們要怎麼幫我們"},{"start":10875.037,"end":10894.159,"text":"補助、協助、怎麼樣來幫我們輔導讓我們可以感受到政府對我們的一個照顧的美意達到社會和諧社會的一個標準這是一個很重要的情形所以我們今天不是對你的預算有意見其實我們是站在一個就是農業關出現的立法院"},{"start":10896.802,"end":10897.984,"text":"他站在關心我們的農民．．．．．．．．．．．"},{"start":10909.972,"end":10937.78,"text":"農業關於農民．在．施行的當中．原來感覺政府在照顧基本上我們是要做好．做好一件照顧我們農民．跟我們這些．保護我們這些優良農地．將來讓我們的農地．糧食自給率．能維持到一定程度．一個尊重的情形就怎麼樣達到這個平穩很重要現在也有這樣的農地．它在工夫法的．這個法令之下．它可以"},{"start":10939.056,"end":10958.974,"text":"合法來使用．對國家的經濟．經濟發展．也沒有什麼要賣出．但是要安裝火．這個功夫法是一體適用．讓大家感覺到公平．現在有很多還是在講．還有很多爭議．所以這個部分．我們不是在對你的預算有意見．是希望我們怎麼樣來把它做得更好．"},{"start":10959.814,"end":10984.346,"text":"給你們一點時間,我們把這些做好了之後提出一個完整的報告,然後我們再來凍結,這個凍結我們再來開放讓你們去使用。我稍微不怕啦,這個遼國動這個也不是什麼惡意啦,也不是說要刪你們的預算,就是大家希望中來做得比較好。這樣歐元建議不要十分之一啦,十分之一比較多,十分之一就等於1500萬,不然我們只凍500萬這樣好不好?"},{"start":10989.448,"end":11015.604,"text":"提書面報告後解凍對,提書面報告後解凍好,接下來處理的是林務發展及造林基金來,第80案80案有關於服務收入的部分是不是可以建請、同意增列兩千萬不要到四千萬,因為四千萬可能兩千萬到四千萬什麼概念"},{"start":11017.588,"end":11043.196,"text":"兩千萬跟四千有什麼概念阿里山森林6227在我主席的時候書長答應說我們一定會重回一百萬沒錯吧這個目標可以達到嗎可以嘛今年在努力當中所以你今天說副收入八億多嘛這八億多你是用遊客人士來計算"},{"start":11045.05,"end":11059.243,"text":"我們是用概估大概這幾年的平均再逐增一下大概399萬的遊客數你的意思是如果113年前部的生產遊客基金可以突破420萬的話你現在說的是399萬那如果突破420萬的話我們就可以整個市場滿了對不對"},{"start":11067.37,"end":11070.231,"text":"我意思是要跟你說我自己的R23的油油汽液液股今年可以多少"},{"start":11084.266,"end":11099.253,"text":"今年預估大概可以,你說全部嗎?阿里山的遊客數大概可以到95萬左右你說要推100萬嘛,要突破100萬嘛明年可以突破100萬,應該沒有問題嘛所以我告訴你,可以增加4000萬,這應該是都可以達到目標啦,保留,不用替他煩惱啦"},{"start":11108.838,"end":11112.46,"text":"這幾年是受到疫情的影響嚴重影響很大好嘛 那就疫情過了嘛"},{"start":11137.495,"end":11137.735,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":11158.382,"end":11158.662,"text":"疫情的狀況"},{"start":11180.177,"end":11197.777,"text":"跟我們大概大陸客,假設我們3月份之後,應該都會有相對他們對阿里山市有一定的吸引力,所以我覺得這樣子應該是合理的啦,其實稅數的部分有膽怯到沒膽怯到沒什麼重要啦,你如果不可以放到底下"},{"start":11200.38,"end":11221.488,"text":"我補充一下從你的預算跟決算來看其實差了35萬那我覺得現在這個國內的旅遊其實大爆發我認為是很有機會來達成的所以我也是支持4千那凡基金嘛能夠達成不達成也並不會產生什麼實質影響那我覺得設定一個目標全力以赴好不好我們全力以赴"},{"start":11224.482,"end":11231.791,"text":"好,那就遭案通過來,第81到第86案請說明第81案的部分齁,那這個部分其實我們"},{"start":11237.344,"end":11260.653,"text":"這幾年已經也都努力的在各個方面在增加多元的這個行銷然後促銷這個我們的遊樂區的旅遊那另外我們也參加這個國際旅展有推出一些大概有50個遊程再來就是我們也推出主題遊程還有這個生態旅遊等等"},{"start":11263.474,"end":11277.004,"text":"來促銷這個整個遊樂區的這個行銷所以這個我們的那個相關的那個方案都持續在推出所以建立免禮這個刪減跟凍結"},{"start":11281.461,"end":11305.428,"text":"陳平副委員部長賴隊長委員我關心的還是我們阿里山臨鐵的前線通車的時間現在是我們遊客比較關心的問題所以你今天能不能告訴我們到底我們的臨鐵前線通車的時間這個跟委員說明一下等一下我們再綜合答覆好了賴隊長委員"},{"start":11307.248,"end":11329.754,"text":"好 我也認為其實這幾年特別疫情後啦那國旅其實都爆發了其實應該有很好的一個成長的機會那我是建議這個要加大推動的力道啦那特別是我覺得特別是在中南部的一些估計的部分都略嫌保守一些啦那我是希望著雨凍結啦然後給予也希望這個"},{"start":11331.354,"end":11333.996,"text":"主席我還是要強調一下臨鐵前線通出我覺得一族都有問題"},{"start":11358.618,"end":11371.006,"text":"如果要通啊,就要擺臉,這像前幾天的電視,我這樣看那天天樓頂頭,人家跳在手機,把他放在那裡,我現在沒有做得太好,副市長你過去就教他過,所以你覺得"},{"start":11381.178,"end":11400.484,"text":"沒有問題嘛,你到底你領帖是,一定是自己來補完工啦,這來行人跟人家一樣做的,而且不是一次捏,好幾次了捏,對不對,好幾次了捏,你阿里山領帖路,這樣先擺練啦齁,出軌啦,還是說"},{"start":11403.366,"end":11420.646,"text":"這個一些意外事件發生,我都感覺都是人為因素,阿你都沒有叫人去申請去調查嗎?這個是有問題的啦,沒有說說一個阿里蘭森林鐵路會出現這麼多的意外事件啦,你不覺得嗎?副市長"},{"start":11422.508,"end":11433.076,"text":"這個我們會去加強你不覺得嗎?我這個話語合不合理?你覺得呢?你像我這樣,我看電視啊,不是又看日產體育又出狀況,手機又在那裡,卡在那裡,對嗎?還要把那個廢車沒過耶"},{"start":11444.702,"end":11469.043,"text":"對,這個我們在每個列車在那個行駛之前我們都會去做一些巡軌的動作啦不是,我的意思是你們是內部一定有人在搞鬼啦那這個部分我們會去了解一定有人在搞鬼的啦這是你們一定是你們內部的問題啦你們能不能說有什麼對你們有什麼厭憤或是你們一些事情處理不好或是人家挑剔要通車就挑剔不給你們通這樣"},{"start":11471.843,"end":11489.892,"text":"要不然為什麼這個阿尼山森林鐵路的通促問題一直一直這樣以前沒辦法順利阿蓋仔一個錢阿這我們會來調查了解啦我是覺得你們的執行力也都不好嘛不是嗎工程也都有問題阿"},{"start":11494.278,"end":11499.464,"text":"阿里山森林鐵路處雖然說起來在農業部是一個很小的單位但是我覺得做成立到現在坦白講"},{"start":11507.378,"end":11527.223,"text":"整個都沒有彰顯出來,但是束褲平船,而且都沒有達到我們應該有的預期的一個目標。簡單的講是過去阿里山這條路是在阿里山的鄰居的轄下,現在自己成立一個處,這樣事情都做不順,所以你們自己都沒有去協助嗎?"},{"start":11538.627,"end":11564.485,"text":"其實阿里山的生鐵其實它有它的特色那我應該來講的就是說有一些人可能有惡意的去做出一些可能讓森林鐵路造成一些意外的一個可能這個部分我想我們會去做一個更積極的調查包括這些巡鐵的部分去了解那我們因為森林鐵路其實代表的其實某個雖然它單位小但是它代表的是一個"},{"start":11565.566,"end":11586.875,"text":"整個嘉義地區的一個非常重要的一個景點特別是嘉義娛樂森林公園的部分所以這個部分我想我們後續應該會更積極的我會後再找他們去了解他們整個應該要做的部分我是覺得阿里山森林鐵路是到阿里山非常重要的一條"},{"start":11589.056,"end":11602.904,"text":"這個觀光的鐵道也是很重要的觀光資源但是除此沒有辦法這個前線通車這個我是覺得很奇怪我用奇怪來形容很奇怪"},{"start":11603.824,"end":11625.587,"text":"所以這個部長你是應該要重視的我是覺得很奇怪很多的意外事故的頻傳這個一定有人為你們到現在為止你都沒人去查你都沒人去了解有沒有到行政案件都要起訴但是你內部你政府你也要去了解"},{"start":11626.568,"end":11626.688,"text":"主席"},{"start":11644.923,"end":11667.157,"text":"這個部分我想已經有報相關的一些軌道的鋪設已經報交通部了嘛所以這個部分我想我們還是會更積極的看看可不可以更早通車明年的更早通車啦這個是我們努力的一個目標明年如果要通車這樣我們那個處理上是跟你們勉勵一下啦這樣我看先用凍結好不好"},{"start":11671.702,"end":11672.242,"text":"前線通車當然很重要"},{"start":11693.389,"end":11698.334,"text":"我跑了幾次那個文資處還是什麼?臨鐵處跟文資處黃處長在那邊臨鐵六級文化資產管理處"},{"start":11708.94,"end":11728.405,"text":"換句話說就是說你們在前線通車的過程裡面像現在有很多他那個文字處裡面其實有很多的很吸引的亮點包括他車廂的設計啦那比方說他最近談到的像祝山是一個新的景點而且是很很很吸睛的"},{"start":11729.766,"end":11748.241,"text":"那怎麼樣去在前線通車的過程裡面利用我們森林鐵路的這些文化資產還有我們的特色來造成我們這些遊客的增加或者增加我們這些旅遊的觀光的這些效果其實是很重要的"},{"start":11749.182,"end":11762.687,"text":"所以基本上我想經費上面我們當然是希望你們做得更好啦所以我也一切都希望你們做得更好但是我希望就是說我們去看很多像這種文化資產的東西"},{"start":11764.656,"end":11784.047,"text":"跟我們那個森林鐵路,這些前面通路,你現在去,啊你這樣人很多在坐車,坐幾位車,都台北,都開車去你嘛,都會開車去你嘛,但是假設你有這一些東西有這些亮點,像Hinoki的車廂啦,還是說裡面有一些比較特殊的觀光的餐車啦齁,"},{"start":11786.088,"end":11809.868,"text":"其實都很吸引人就是說大家在優活的一種比較悠閒的一種旅遊生態裡面他會想說我要來坐阿里山的森林火車這個感覺上面是不錯的所以我希望你們還是要弄一些我們森林鐵路的這些文化資產的東西把它加到裡面去把這些因素加進去還有我們像新設的這一些"},{"start":11811.49,"end":11824.359,"text":"這個車站、珠山車站這一類的你們要把它廣為宣傳造成我們一個新的旅遊的一個風潮這樣可以帶動遊客嘛我希望你做得更好預算我沒有意見好 謝謝委員 建議"},{"start":11827.481,"end":11844.374,"text":"這樣就遭賴瑞榮委員,凍結500萬書面報告後時的凍資來,接下來處理．農業天然災害救助基金87-88案跟委員說明一下,農業天然災害救助基金大概明年編列是27.1億"},{"start":11846.696,"end":11861.329,"text":"那以今年來講到目前為止其實已經超過42億了所以我們不夠的部分我們都會跟行政院報報相關的災害準備金或第二預備金來支應所以我們希望說"},{"start":11862.51,"end":11886.981,"text":"這個天然災害27億能夠造元劣數因為他如果沒有天然災害我當然希望沒有太多天然災害發生他就不會動之但是一旦天然災害啟動了以後如果這些錢沒有到位的時候就會到時候查報完了以後我們錢沒辦法中央錢沒辦法付下去就會比較麻煩求議員委員完那一段委員"},{"start":11889.798,"end":11904.747,"text":"謝謝主席,我知道你們每年的天然災害救助基金都是不足的,但是部長您剛有提到天然災害救助跟農業保險之間以及我覺得"},{"start":11907.729,"end":11922.633,"text":"產銷調節或者是說整個耕作環境整個農民的一般的這些耕作的耕著氣象在變動的這一些耕作的這種知識或者是說所有的"},{"start":11925.214,"end":11944.328,"text":"資訊應該都是要同步下去做改善現在很多時候不一定是颱風或者是下雨來才會產生天然災害像最近美濃的那個番茄又遇到消長的問題因為又是天氣太熱所以我覺得整個氣候的變遷應該是要跟整個這些東西下去做聯動的"},{"start":11946.79,"end":11976.144,"text":"教育．所以我相信這份我是自己及時展示我認為那個教育部會案應該再提升好 謝謝委員建議我這邊也分享跟委員我們讓他再一次回答來 賴隊長委員向上我也是支持那我也是只是提醒說可能還是要持續的剛剛邱委員這樣講的那個就是持續要加強所有的一些聯動特別是對於農民的一些教育那另外有些提早做一些規劃跟因應的部分好來 翁崇鈞委員"},{"start":11979.182,"end":11999.732,"text":"因為我沒有意見但是我覺得天然災害的救助辦法這個法令我們要去精進一下這個我印象好久都沒有修了但是你看我們最近的這種天氣的激變變成說我們經常會產生很多的災害"},{"start":12000.552,"end":12024.466,"text":"然後談到很多災害,這些災害有時候是事前的,有些是事後的,有些是要以後用山零雷做平斷的。我有一種感覺是說當然我們現在的假設是可以用保險去扣嘛,我們簡單去用保險去扣,就不要再動到天然災害的部分。但天然災害做出辦法,不能因為這樣子我們就不去修。"},{"start":12025.427,"end":12055.027,"text":"因為第一個時效上面我經常像這些小前颱風,我們有比較經常都覺得我們是主動去看,然後我們主動發布嘛,對不對?但是,之前也覺得很晚啦,就是變成給農民,他現在住在宅海的時候,不是每天在洗衣服忙,到底會不會過,到底會不會曬,到底會不會破,每天都在擔心啦,然後我們這個民意代表,不勝其擾啦。"},{"start":12055.827,"end":12074.735,"text":"阿現在第一遍沒過、第二遍沒過、第三遍要拚了過．有時候就要常常都要拚了捏所以你們像像像阿小永我們以前的傳媒我讀到的都是修料阿還要大家用用用什麼什麼奧林匹克的什麼什麼重量像這一些東西我覺得"},{"start":12076.814,"end":12102.77,"text":"實效上怎麼去精進然後我們怎麼樣減少我們這些氣候變遷的這些因素盡量排除然後我們這一些災害的勘察怎麼樣去認定這些我們都希望比較有一個比較公平合理公正比較公正的一個方法去做評斷所以我比較在意的是天然災害的救助辦法"},{"start":12104.091,"end":12123.353,"text":"假設我們在保險的方面,我們做得好,天生災害的救助辦法也要好好的去修一下,我覺得這個法令有點古惑,不太符合現在的時代的條例,實效上面我覺得實效上面也很差,好不好,我們要好好把這個改一下,改改改好不好。"},{"start":12124.827,"end":12145.035,"text":"來請回應我講剛才邱委員所提到的就是天然災害保險天然災害跟農業保險其實還有跟我們的產地的生產資訊一定要做結合我們在醫藥特別預算我們投入了2.15億就是在各地去擴建我們的氣象站因為我們很多地形的關係"},{"start":12146.876,"end":12167.95,"text":"有些特殊地形我們就會追加這些氣象站讓他的那個氣象資訊是夠精準的而不是用一個比較推估的部分這個部分我想我們會努力去把它結合那剛才翁委員所提到的有關於天然災害救助其實我們也不斷的在精進包括我們用天然天氣參數直接可以去公告"},{"start":12168.65,"end":12195.623,"text":"用科技的這些手段可以去做勘栽但是本質上是需要做一些系統性的修改那這個部分其實我們在上個月在檢討的時候我也要求我們的輔導老師做整個系統性的檢討包括他的整個的流程包括公所因為特別我們發現到有一些部分雖然說我們公告了可是公所的勘栽的效率一直沒辦法提升那這個部分也必須在那邊去做一個解決"},{"start":12197.145,"end":12197.485,"text":"區公所農業課"},{"start":12214.844,"end":12226.07,"text":"每一個區公所的農業課出來勘栽的標準不一,你就會產生很大的落差,有的勘栽很鬆,有的是很嚴密,明明會過,他也是自己說不會過,就要一天兩天三次,搞到農民怨聲再到,說明明假期這樣有過,有時候我願意走沒過,就會有這種狀態,所以我覺得那個天然災害救助辦法裡面的標準,"},{"start":12240.438,"end":12259.286,"text":"那個其實是可以做一些精進包括你們的理賠的那個金額其實也可以做一些調整你現在所有的原物料成本都在上漲當中我覺得那個金額也可以做一些適度的調整那看債的標準這件事情我覺得還是要讓它比較能夠有一個橫平性出來好不好"},{"start":12260.387,"end":12270.367,"text":"我跟委員報告每一次勘差我們都有行前教育就是我們的試驗單位跟我們的分屬可是工作的人經常在玩"},{"start":12271.92,"end":12276.983,"text":"市長,我還是要感佩你這一次向這一次的小田宏泰這些嚴懲造成的倒龍的損害的部分,事實上"},{"start":12302.721,"end":12315.972,"text":"海期是比較明顯那三期岩石性的災損岩石性災損以後其實有很多的工作是沒有農業課是沒有成報的喔沒有去報的喔那還好是我們有去會刊喔會刊了以後"},{"start":12323.223,"end":12323.503,"text":"發言委員：完整會議"},{"start":12341.006,"end":12367.442,"text":"前面把它公告為這個災期我是覺得這是政府能夠誓死的關心照顧農民讓農民能夠在這一次的一個災損裡面把他的災害降到這一點這一點我是自己表示肯定表示感謝事實上農民受到你這樣的一個照顧這一次確實是有感確實是有感"},{"start":12369.468,"end":12379.836,"text":"好,這樣就各位委員的...剛才齁,邱委員跟陳委員在講的啦,這都是...就是說"},{"start":12381.346,"end":12395.898,"text":"法令規定是一回事,你事務上去批判,又是一回事。這幾屆的審判委員,我告訴你,這壓力都很大。我告訴你坦白話,農業靠的人,要當這個人,他們都想說不知道會不會有事。生的、減的,影響很大。"},{"start":12403.604,"end":12415.149,"text":"所以我在想說你們天然代價的救助辦法,你們一定要撬開這個問題,而且要怎麼樣一體適用,你不要讓我們,那些既敢既得說的那些人,他要照顧農民他也會煩惱啊,你們都,那些稅務署有的人要關的呢?"},{"start":12419.23,"end":12420.55,"text":"你做農業部最重要的是要照顧農民但是你不能給基金公務人員"},{"start":12446.937,"end":12447.017,"text":"當然也會有爭議"},{"start":12468.453,"end":12489.91,"text":"阿我也不希望說當然民意代表很辛苦啦阿你補託你也這麼幫忙啦這個我們都知道說你這次小選颱風你對沙窟那你也有來人做一個照顧但是假設因為這樣子變成政治的角力或者在這一邊來頭在這說讓我們的行政單位受委屈我覺得也沒有必要啦因為"},{"start":12491.211,"end":12504.106,"text":"國家整體都是在為農民做事啦我今天站在農業館我也希望你退農民做事尤其是你一直農業沒中啦齁所以這一些東西我希望說我們要理論實務大家要好好去明天下去下去研究看看怎樣做"},{"start":12507.075,"end":12518.002,"text":"農業部．我們立法院．可以幫忙你．因為行政單位、審判單位．尤其是審判委員．不能有太大的壓力．從以前我們在紓困貸款．我們現在說也一大堆本來沒有誰能免責的．我們自己都沒辦法照顧我們以前的公務委員．"},{"start":12526.428,"end":12546.081,"text":"好,謝謝委員的建議,我想我們在未來在修法的時候,我們會...好,沒意見,沒意見我們這個今天開會就是這個中午不休息啦,來,來個農委員沒有沒意見,預算直接處理啦對啊,我想就是希望做得更精進啦,阿不然這個農業災害是對農民太重要,我們就是預算照列好,好,謝謝好,來"},{"start":12548.602,"end":12574.772,"text":"所來的是漁業發展基金89到91案那個漁業發展基金他的基金規模非常小那現在最主要的就是針對一些過往的這些文化的推廣還有一些我們通訊電台的一些改善然後還有一些畢業生上傳的一個實習那這個部分大概是這個部分那有些委員認為說是不是可以把這個基金關掉但是這個基金是根據漁業法"},{"start":12576.553,"end":12583.913,"text":"漁業法去設立的如果要把它拿掉的話可能都要去修法所以我們還是它有指標性的意義啦希望能夠維持著"},{"start":12586.164,"end":12608.721,"text":"我覺得其實因為台灣四周環海魚業是我們很重要的那不管是遠洋或者是連近海或者養殖都是很重要的產業但是從前一陣子前陣漁港那個風波就看得出來連議員都不見得了解我們魚業的重要性所以我是覺得教育跟推廣這件事情可能要再更積極的去做了讓更多人特別是比如說"},{"start":12609.582,"end":12610.422,"text":"主席主席主席主席"},{"start":12633.311,"end":12635.992,"text":"農產品受進口損害救助基金92-101"},{"start":12662.794,"end":12663.195,"text":"農業施工問題很嚴重"},{"start":12685.614,"end":12699.83,"text":"這不足啦所以這個部分剛剛農業部有什麼具體的解決方案沒有就是說農業切工的問題不解決然後很多的外勞都會逃跑這變成農村有很大的問題比如說"},{"start":12701.403,"end":12711.176,"text":"譬如說現在因為一般我們的農民,我們有時候農忙期,不然就持完成的一個外勞,所以有時候會處理多一點,像我們大陸那裡有一些鳳梨農,就是這樣想"},{"start":12717.765,"end":12731.691,"text":"因為有些公共公司的外樓是會去檢控,農民就會去抓,事實上這樣子的話,對他們來說,他們這間外樓就很方便,他們就在旁邊,所以他們就去檢控、檢控。所以一檢控、二檢控、三檢控、四檢控,這種事情,為什麼我們沒有去做一個改革?"},{"start":12743.496,"end":12764.376,"text":"既可以解決農業撤工的問題．又可以讓這些外勞不去營業．不去租市所以這個事情我是覺得這是一個很好的事情所以這個部分是不是農業部有沒有什麼具體的一個解決辦法沒有"},{"start":12765.07,"end":12789.51,"text":"我跟委員報告兩點第一點就是說就新進的部分我們大概增加了跟勞動部爭取一萬兩千名這個委員都知道那委員的關心就是說有一些非農業的但是他假日茫茫的時候來協助的部分其實這個我們也一直在跟勞動部做溝通但是現在卡到一個就是他的一個禮拜的勞動的法規就是一個禮拜的工時"},{"start":12790.991,"end":12812.848,"text":"工時可能會超過然後對於這些原來的雇主他會認為說你如果去農業要不要拜六月太累會影響到他禮拜一的正常的上工所以這個部分可能我們還必須要跟勞動部持續去做溝通看看可不可以有一些特殊的情況之下來做一個適當的處理"},{"start":12813.989,"end":12821.557,"text":"我想我再積極做一個反應大陸大部分地區有很多紅內農 因為我們想他們就是想說一些多路可以來兼顧這個行為一直都沒辦法做一個改革我是覺得農業部這一邊能夠積極甚至於來處理一下而且來減少我們農業缺工的問題好不好"},{"start":12836.693,"end":12836.713,"text":"92-101案"},{"start":12854.077,"end":12878.717,"text":"92到106案都是有關於我們的農產品全球通路的一個拓展計畫我給各位委員報告這個計畫其實對我們現在目前來講農產品走向高端市場是一個蠻重要的一個計畫包括之前中國因為中國暫停輸入的這些品項以外那相對的其實當時是有一個看起來是一個危機但是我們也趁這個機會能夠"},{"start":12880.979,"end":12900.861,"text":"把我們的重要的高品質的農產品往其他市場高端市場去行銷所以都是靠這樣的一個計畫在支持的那一個新的市場開拓它絕對不是一年兩年的一個就結束了所以我們希望說針對高端市場包括其實它的效果就是非常有效的就是"},{"start":12901.542,"end":12928.936,"text":"同樣的就是大陸的占比其實已經越來越低了從107年23點多到去年的12點多已經降低了但是我們更重要的是高端市場那現在鎖定的日本、新加坡這些東南亞的地區以外還有歐美的地區那我們希望說不同的品項能有不同的高端市場的一個拓展希望說能夠支持這樣的一個計畫能夠造圓列數好,支持啦,就要數據做了"},{"start":12932.038,"end":12933.659,"text":"但是你要知道"},{"start":12959.41,"end":12977.595,"text":"醫生你既然是這樣講你預算就不能亂用喔你今天在這邊講的話你就不能亂用喔假設說你只是要把我們的農產品表示說我們有出口外銷然後用大量的補貼結果其實喔賣多少啦?剛才本錢就沒有啦那這樣是要付錢嗎?"},{"start":12985.632,"end":13006.044,"text":"我跟你坦白講你過去就說有很多這種情況耶你現在有台灣的東西賣賣出台灣的東西出銷你現在要賣賣來吃吃住要用這種東西去開支那就不對囉你要講是你的政策目標是正確的我支持你但是你不能跟我做違反政策目標的事情"},{"start":13007.777,"end":13026.575,"text":"委員報告,就是整個的這個農產品全球通路的拓展計畫,絕對不會像委員所說的,我們臺灣不會出去用大量的錢去補貼,撒到國外去。我們一直在強調就是高端市場的一個取得,它本身在地的跟通路的合作,"},{"start":13027.516,"end":13043.955,"text":"在在地裡面透過相關的展覽或在地的宣導是一個非常重要的包括在地的消費者習性的分析然後另外有一些一開始在測試市場的水溫的時候的適當的這些外交獎勵是必要的"},{"start":13044.415,"end":13044.675,"text":"好支持啦好"},{"start":13061.665,"end":13081.241,"text":"政策上支持啦,我們支持,建議照原理的說法,了解啦保證這條基金預算我們支持啦,但是我是很在意我們佈置那個屠宰場喔,你們現在那個屠宰場的進度問題"},{"start":13084.103,"end":13092.906,"text":"養豬產業本身這個界位裡面其實有個非常重要就是土台廠跟肉品市場的能量的一個升級HACCP的部分然後第二個重點就是說"},{"start":13101.109,"end":13127.82,"text":"我們針對這些價格的維穩的部分一些畜牧產業價格的維穩委員頭關心的就是鋪子分場它是一個我們非常重要的一個旗艦的肉餅市場旗艦是旗艦不就速度太慢嗎?不是啦因為速度慢的旗艦計畫沒有啦這要跟委員報告這個是很重要的就是後來因為物價的關係但是我們也跟行政院溝通了就是水比較兇的啦"},{"start":13129.861,"end":13152.687,"text":"會更快,馬上就會把那個場先拆掉了,馬上就會動工了。我來講啦,你舖住馬邊市場,你那人做的很沒力的啦。你知道嗎?你根本你人做的,像你高進,你這個速度啦,速度慢的期間計畫啦。對不對?啊你裡面的委託,你也都委託給市產會去做。對不對?裡面的基委委員也委託市產會去做的。"},{"start":13157.256,"end":13166.782,"text":"所以我在想你們假設把這個把整個你們那個要破住八分氣球的那個個位啦整個攤開的不能看啦沒有什麼績效啦我們裁員啦這邊選了破住了選了以後你怎麼會負責任的啦齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁"},{"start":13187.606,"end":13189.587,"text":"預算沒意見預算招列農村再生基金102萬到108萬農債基金"},{"start":13201.59,"end":13219.379,"text":"基本上就是農菜本身我們在第三期的部分我們編列了149億那這149億大概分為兩個部分一個是跟人力的培育有關的大概是14億多那另外一個是跟建設有關的大概是130幾億大概加起來149億那其中"},{"start":13222.521,"end":13237.41,"text":"真正的農債裡面大概是104億但是裡面有設施的計畫有農機補助的計畫在裡面這幾個加起來是149億那第一個要說明的第二個部分就是其實人是農村的一個最經營的主體"},{"start":13238.491,"end":13267.078,"text":"所以我們過去在人力的規劃裡面大概分為三個面向剛才陳明慧委員問到的是有關於這些產業的人力團的部分但是更重要就是怎麼樣吸引讓年輕人進到農村裡面經營這個部分其實也是農產很重要的精神包括他在學校的時候我們就給予一些相關的獎勵然後讓他進到我們的職場裡面去訓練那這個部分都是在這個基金裡面去做的人力的規劃"},{"start":13268.28,"end":13273.9,"text":"跟培育的一個計畫那我建議委員能夠支持我們農債基金的一個原預算編列以上"},{"start":13277.501,"end":13300.359,"text":"農財的部分我想我是支持不過我還是希望持續的努力包括創造就業機會包括農村的休閒旅遊等等還有青農、流農這個我希望持續來推動這個當然特別是中南部都會特別的需要然後我比較偏遠的必須比較需要好不好那預算部分我支持那我兩個案我就改為主決議我認為要提草野先生的財位沒有就好"},{"start":13305.123,"end":13324.688,"text":"我想農債基金其實是一個我們非常重要的基礎建設,就是農村的基礎建設。我知道你這很重要的基礎建設,如果像你在做我就說這樣差不多啦,立法院的案我要先關心一下啦,我的意思是這樣子啦,有一些案子雖然你農債辦公室也沒有合法啦,"},{"start":13326.337,"end":13351.093,"text":"我們現在已經沒有農債辦公室了我們在改組以後就進到我們的中規室我就希望你們這樣做啦你如果要用農債辦公室在那裡控管你們的東西啦我們如果是小的我們錢給你用這個地方都不會用一個都你們在用這樣這樣也沒利啦對不對我想是整個農村的建設是所以補充你來看一看你走進去後你在處理的方式"},{"start":13352.274,"end":13377.75,"text":"我們該,欸,農財基金是很重要的一個單位捏,這當天時時我做調集委員我瞭解一千五百的,我一直要我們要求到兩千億捏,那錢也我當天時時,我那時候在審的時候我主審的啊,我怎麼會不清楚那農財基金為什麼會變這樣的一個基金,基本上它就是為了農業的發展嘛,農村的發展嘛,或者農民的收益嘛,阿嘛,我們也希望說"},{"start":13379.15,"end":13396.778,"text":"讓一些年輕人能夠返鄉勿農．讓農業有再生的機會所以我們現在在說城鄉差距一個是利用地方創生一個就是農村創生就是要讓農業能夠改變了過去的大家傳統的印象能夠讓我們的農業能夠發展起來"},{"start":13400.98,"end":13418.832,"text":"就是變成一個革命就是類似於一個綜合性的革命讓農村跟城鄉之間的差距可以減少讓農業跟著發展然後讓年輕人也不一定要留在都會他可以回到農村去發展這是很好的事情"},{"start":13420.473,"end":13446.375,"text":"但是假設我們今天把農村再生的這些經貨我們假設沒有好好用到最後你們變成一個政治的籌碼那當然我覺得不是很好這樣就不好了所以我不是反對你上任之後知道你是用心要去做這些事情把它做一個合理的分配然後做一個有效的執行這個我都看得到你部長也很用心但是我希望你要堅持"},{"start":13447.156,"end":13449.078,"text":"我一直在強調就是過去的農債三期的農債裡面其實很多"},{"start":13468.875,"end":13490.669,"text":"不要啦,那我們現在因為8月1號以後,我們農業部變成農業部部長,這個是不是你就提一份你們的後續的規劃啦,好不好,就是大概農在基金怎麼樣來促使剛剛達成幾個目標的這個效果,再提一份計畫給經濟委員會好不好,預算上我們支持啦我講一個稍微那個,但是你稍微有關係啦,我請教一下"},{"start":13495.188,"end":13513.886,"text":"我請教一下,農會法裡面的規定,農會總幹事的初缺,中途初缺也好,這次初缺也好,他都有相關的規定啦。中途初缺的時候,他60天裡面要完成0米是嗎?"},{"start":13519.38,"end":13534.286,"text":"縣府要公告然後開始進行聆聘作業一直到來我們農業部面談他有法定期間的縣府的時間的限制還有部裡面的時間限制都有一些規範規範對啦,阿如果沒照顧規範做什麼"},{"start":13537.978,"end":13561.064,"text":"我們會做行政指導我會做行政指導你都說做行政指導我怎麼不來做行政指導你都不敢來回答答案啊對不對部長再跟文委員溝通一下好不好我會說像這種東西不要有太多的政治操縱啦你也知道我跟你這個業務不對啦我會跟他吵翻天啊對不對"},{"start":13562.999,"end":13581.734,"text":"歷史都有記錄,我沒有希望農會總幹事出缺,你們不要有太多的政治運作,我知道你們這個人不是你們,但是紅重金在經濟委員會上我尊重一下,我腰在這裡,要處理什麼事情要過我那邊會過,"},{"start":13585.616,"end":13607.832,"text":"規劃我不會過,這樣比較不好,你不要再提我了,知道嗎?部長,在了解去溝通一下好不好?我想我們會有了解,我非常尊重我們的...要尊重每一位委員我真的非常尊重好,來好,謝謝好,這樣就是農村再生基金預算照列好,來我的改組決議那102案和106案改組決議好"},{"start":13613.083,"end":13624.227,"text":"好來再來109遵照辦理好召喚通過110遵照辦理召喚通過111遵照辦理召喚通過112遵照辦理召喚通過113遵照辦理召喚通過124遵照辦理召喚通過115"},{"start":13634.029,"end":13645.001,"text":"有文字的一個修正是在倒數第二行的最後提交書面報告而不是提交專案報告是不是可以改好沒問題"},{"start":13646.127,"end":13653.672,"text":"116 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