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登記第一位,由玉蘭委員發言。謝謝主席,我要先請林部長、警政署、黃署長。好,請林部長、黃署長。委員好。"},{"start":3238.836,"end":3252.789,"text":"部長昨天自由時報有這樣的一個新聞警監佔警察人力不到1%其實不是1%只有0.53%我們看看文官的檢認有5.18%"},{"start":3257.713,"end":3278.003,"text":"警察的高階警官只佔文官的十分之一,難道更少人?所以我們在橫向聯繫的時候都會被人家欺負,這個好像是不爭的事實。那我知道警政署也很努力,"},{"start":3279.104,"end":3282.105,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中"},{"start":3302.27,"end":3304.956,"text":"和刑事鑑識中心主任兩個我們要調升40個只給兩個部長請問到底是誰在擋嗎?"},{"start":3312.645,"end":3335.082,"text":"是人總還是全副部?還是都在打?我們要不要據理力爭?跟委員報告,我想兩個部分,第一個是我們警察的等階表、關子檔的部分,這當然是涉及考試院的一個權責不過我們也一直在爭取,目前也都有好的回應"},{"start":3337.122,"end":3357.628,"text":"這個沒有人在檔不過我們充分的一個說明來爭取他們的支持委員提到的今年的有初步的一個成果這個其實也是行政院跟人總還有考試院支持的一個結果剛剛提到的其他的部分是列入第二個階段來做處理基本上已經有共識了"},{"start":3358.208,"end":3383.48,"text":"所以部長我為什麼對這件事情我覺得因為我即將畢業了我在這邊還要在舊事重談我已經質詢過很多次但是全序部給我的回應就是一個是擔心這個同層級機關相關職務的橫平性跟衍生要求援引比照人種更是"},{"start":3387.202,"end":3399.034,"text":"更是大言垮垮,直接就告訴你,這個就好像是這個自由時報的標題,人種就是要求你內政部要四面向來檢討,檢討什麼呢?檢討我們內職務的什麼歷練順序、職務的職責程度、業務性質、機關層次等等的。"},{"start":3412.179,"end":3414.941,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中"},{"start":3435.413,"end":3455.639,"text":"非常非常低所以這些都是這些坐在冷氣房裡面的權序部或者是人總沒有去看那事實上目前我覺得除了剛剛警政署已經在爭取的這40個人警監職務之外本席直接就向部長"},{"start":3456.559,"end":3456.579,"text":"報告。"},{"start":3476.001,"end":3496.108,"text":"以及我們現在其實因應性平三法還有少事法等等的其實少年隊跟婦幼隊獨立來運作已經不合時宜了應該要有一個類似叫保護大隊之類這個是我在十幾年前我做的一個研究報告就已經提出來了以及專業警察機關的督察長都應該調整為警監職務還有刑事"},{"start":3503.817,"end":3517.582,"text":"跟就是我們的偵查跟交通都這麼重要可是小聯盟的刑大跟交通還是只有兩縣市就是矮人一級所以這些都請"},{"start":3519.483,"end":3535.503,"text":"部長不是只有剛剛講的40人40個這個他們有很多都是以屬屬機關的他沒有看到各縣市、地方警察機關在運作上他們的食物的需求部長可不可以諮論也一併考量"},{"start":3536.601,"end":3552.181,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、"},{"start":3556.229,"end":3575.754,"text":"我必須要在這邊我也要公開的向所有的警消同仁來講我們現在難得有一個身體力行最挺警消的部長而且是見級履級今年的3月30日我在這個地方提出了警大跟警專學生伙食費只有每個月3258元"},{"start":3580.675,"end":3605.136,"text":"然後當時我提出說去年師範的公費生就已經調到4300元部長我最感動的是您見急屢急馬上去見院長我們3月30號提出質詢你在5月1日就讓我們警大跟警專以及在寶一、寶四"},{"start":3606.377,"end":3613.468,"text":"保護、受訓的這些特考班的再訓的學員、伙食終於得到比較合理的4300元。"},{"start":3615.117,"end":3637.393,"text":"但是昨天我們去警大我必須要講警大在這幾年來我們預算不斷的從零雞開始還要統一的統三統三百分之五警大已經到了真的是無以為繼的一個地步了部長已經看到過我們在警察大學的"},{"start":3639.133,"end":3665.298,"text":"系所的行政費用包括辦學術等等的我在的時候退休前還可以弄到七、八萬但是對於一個行政警察大系是沒有辦法的所以我自己知道巧婦難為無米之炊退出了、退休了可是部長您看的時候您今年去已經看到校長跟我講說那個時候現在一個系一年只有"},{"start":3666.558,"end":3676,"text":"兩萬塊可是今年你們幫他爭取但是還有很多很多問題昨天我們看到最嚴重的問題是這個中和警計館這因為他的建築的問題所以他嚴重漏水現在說有32個臉盆在那邊接水這個漏水雨季即將來了今天開始下雨了馬上會越來越嚴重還有我們警大學生"},{"start":3694.71,"end":3718.812,"text":"活動非常多的操場,現在因為年久失修,裡面不管是紅螞蟻也好,或者是大蚯蚓也好,那個我把它叫做地無一米平,但是不好意思,警察大學校長是人無三兩銀,想要修都沒有辦法修。部長,這個怎麼幫他們啊?"},{"start":3721.986,"end":3748.084,"text":"非常謝謝委員垂詢昨天之後我有詢問一下楊校長因為之前他們的預算跟經費也還沒有提出來我在今年年初的時候去視察的時候也並沒有反映這個問題我如果知道的話我就會立即處理所以我現在是請楊校長把這個相關的一個預算把它提出來"},{"start":3749.565,"end":3760.393,"text":"這個警計館的部分可能需要9400多萬另外操場的部分可能需要300多萬我想對於警大生還有警校的這個警大的這個教學環境我們會全力來支持是那謝謝部長做的這樣承諾我們也希望警大盡快提出預算的這個計畫書來不能夠再等到114年我先請這個部長還有校長回座"},{"start":3775.803,"end":3780.545,"text":"接下來我要請交通部王部長跟警政署黃署長也請您留著。謝謝,謝謝部長,因為這段時間,其實我在立法院這四年來我知道您做很多事情,但是我們交通是擊中,我不相信南反,我們一定擊中還是要把他救回來了。"},{"start":3804.312,"end":3831.937,"text":"最近因為我剛剛聽到您的報告裡面有針對那個祭典制啊什麼有一些有一些還有猶豫的這個猶豫期的就讓他們先做改善在這個我尊重尊重交通部的專業但是但是我看到這個這個是聯合報啊聯合報這個就講了說在台北市政府這個台北市議會的質詢裡面就直接就解釋"},{"start":3833.037,"end":3848.788,"text":"台北市計點轉移4個月19萬元黃牛轉賣這不是唯一的因為我們也在臉書上面看到有沒有用到的駕照連結車的因為修法要用到責任歸屬的臉書問題他這個意思寫錯有意的來"},{"start":3853.962,"end":3875.568,"text":"我不知道,這個不是大型的貨運、連結、來徵司機,而是徵駕照。部長,這難道是我們在修這個法的時候所想要做到嗎?我之所以把黃署長也留著的原因是,"},{"start":3876.837,"end":3879.059,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中"},{"start":3898.417,"end":3905.784,"text":"結果都是有這種上有政策、下有對策的,可不可以做個說明?是,各位報告,這個我們有經過討論,現在主要是說拍照以後車主他去證明說是別人來開嘛,如果證明這個找這個別人哪一個人來,他如果有違證的話,是要護這個使這個情況的規定"},{"start":3921.978,"end":3942.155,"text":"對,根據此規定,所以這個部分我有請我們公路局跟所有包括六都相關的單位也做一個討論,這個部分要讓他們知道這是刑法的問題。對,一定要抓,一定要用力的抓。部長,其實這主要還有一個原因,就是因為我們的隔熱紙貼得太黑了。"},{"start":3942.836,"end":3943.377,"text":"警署及所屬、中警署及所屬、中"},{"start":3962.092,"end":3986.852,"text":"這個是70%的透光率但是貼了格惡值以後可能就會下降那這部分我們現在在已經有委託個計畫在做那明年3月會先對計程車那明年9月會研究對於小汽車的部分那為什麼會有這樣的研究就是說格惡值第一個是品牌哪些品牌比如說從國際進來的到底要不要再做檢查"},{"start":3987.312,"end":4010.309,"text":"或是國外的認證就可以了。那第二個,隔熱紙的這個偵測的這些儀器也要檢驗,就像上次我們這個測速照相也發生一些狀況,所以這個需要一些準備時間,那這個待我們明年3月初步會把方案提出來。不過部長,因為您剛剛講說明年3月是先從計程車開始做起,其實"},{"start":4011.87,"end":4039.277,"text":"如果您看到我這個PowerPoint上面這個莊富權的貼文是大型駕駛、連結車、大貨車、巴士、重型機械我覺得這些職業的車輛也應該在3月就要開始實施因為主要跟照有報告目前在我們的定檢裡面就針對計程車就是說它從讀卡裡面去看說裡面有沒有這個有沒有透光"},{"start":4040.037,"end":4066.074,"text":"那這個我們是覺得因為這個是現在在訂檢裡面就規定的但是其他車輛在訂檢沒有規定那這代表是我們有漏洞對,所以我們是想因為剛才有很多相關包括設備格二值的檢驗這個課題給我們一點時間先對計程車這邊來實施然後後續再看然後它也有談到所謂是不是既往不咎的課題所以它還蠻複雜的我想說這部分我們也有重視到這個課題"},{"start":4068.294,"end":4076.837,"text":"不必再往回看了我們要往前看已經發現這個是問題存在我真的很希望我們交通部能夠盡快地去檢討這職業的價值的這個11月26日大概有3000多個重機車友跟1000輛重機到交通部去陳情抗議"},{"start":4086.841,"end":4106.013,"text":"最主要是因為道交條例的92條修法已經通過12年當時92條是說大重機可以行駛高速公路那我問過很多次但是部長您都說因為六成民意反對到目前還沒有開放任何時段或路段"},{"start":4109.017,"end":4121.573,"text":"國三甲有開放?國三甲開放?國三甲開放到現在好像也沒有什麼重大車禍,是不是?有,有,那個我剛剛有報告這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"start":4974.799,"end":5002.462,"text":"一切也有這種狀況就是說縱然民體旁邊可能不知道嘛我想還蠻複雜的因為像這個過來他是酒駕他可能狀況也是意識模糊不清的所以這個部分就是要麻煩交通部啦那再來第二件事情我們要繼續去討論就是有關本席選區的問題因為其實像我之前其實也有在尋答的時候跟部長講過嘛就是說我們汐止區大概在十幾年前鐵路高架化因為順著我們汐止區需要發展嘛那"},{"start":5004.264,"end":5017.719,"text":"當時鐵路高架化其實並沒有去想到說我們後來汐止區的發展會這麼的快速現在變成說台鐵沿線的噪音其實對周邊的居民來說困擾是越來越嚴重的啦那"},{"start":5018.32,"end":5042.739,"text":"目前這件事情本席除了在交通委員會有就我們交通部這邊提出主決議以外其實也在前幾天週二的時候28號有跟台鐵局去會刊那目前第一個是說先確定是就五堵站到西科站的路段沿線噪音改善規劃會在2023年底前招標委託顧問公司去辦理噪音改善的這個"},{"start":5043.72,"end":5043.76,"text":"規劃的評估"},{"start":5074.1,"end":5097.188,"text":"那包含說應該是要包含說南港到矽科間的這個臺北地下化出土段至矽科站還有五堵站到這個新五堵隧道口其實這個部分也都有經過我們非常非常多的民宅所以我在建議啦也是希望說要求交通部是不是可以要把我講的這個範圍一併的去納入也就是說你納入之後等於是"},{"start":5098.388,"end":5117.133,"text":"我們的台鐵經過細紙的全部的沿線都可以納入評估是不是要發包的範圍?我想這部分是不是能夠請部長承諾?因為如果今天我們就是要去解決台鐵經過我們細紙的問題那其實就是不應該是以車站到車站之間為一個標的嘛,其實應該是要沿線"},{"start":5118.571,"end":5137.53,"text":"好,謝謝委員,我非常謝謝委員,事實上委員所爭取的,包括上次看的汐止國中跟修豐高中,這應該下個月就要完工了是我想說,鐵路沿線後來,因為鐵路開發以後很多的建築這部分的噪音我覺得把五堵到新五堵的這個納入,我請台鐵來評估"},{"start":5139.751,"end":5157.699,"text":"同樣在年底就是說所謂年底就是他們也要開始去看那個噪音的變化狀況留給他們時間我覺得現在也不是只有一段就是說如果沿線有影響到這個市民生活的那個我們必須本來就要負這樣的責任"},{"start":5158.599,"end":5185.687,"text":"對,因為其實本來我們第二階段第一階段的要完工了嘛那第二階段其實是希望做沿線、全線的評估那不是,那就應該是真的經過我們汐止區全部的沿線那這部分就再麻煩交通部了我請台鐵把他納入好,那最後一點時間我還想跟部長詢問這個台六二線延伸京萬這案的進度啦因為我們北海岸萬里、金山甚至到隔壁的石門三芝一直都是北台灣觀光的重鎮"},{"start":5186.647,"end":5215.386,"text":"那事實上我想部長也都非常的清楚我們這幾個選區啊基本上在假日的時候平日其實就也那個交通交通的需求越來越大那假日更是不得了啊基本上假日你開到那邊就是塞在那邊那所以其實在我上任之後就非常的積極希望這個促成過去已經停擺好好一段時間非常多年的這個台六二線延伸京萬這件事情可以繼續去推動"},{"start":5216.667,"end":5238.614,"text":"那這個部分呢我除了定期跟交通部去追蹤進度以外其實也有要求交通部一定要在可行性評估完成之前在地方去辦說明會那也就是我簡報上述提到的那今年呢其實確實交通部在6月的時候有在我們的萬里金山還有延伸的時候會經過的這個基隆這邊有去辦三場說明會"},{"start":5240.094,"end":5251.472,"text":"那在會中的時候公路總局其實也有跟鄉親報告相關進度那會中確實也有鄉親也有提供一些意見的回饋包含說萬里的出口交流道的"},{"start":5252.762,"end":5271.452,"text":"方案應該要去怎麼調整那這個部分我也知道也第一個就是說也感謝說公總我知道公總這邊也有配合在做調整那目前的進度是9月初的時候公路總局有將這個可行性評估期末報告報到交通部那我知道說9月中的時候交通部你有把這個案子退回去公路總局修改"},{"start":5271.892,"end":5299.249,"text":"那10月13號的時候公路總局有再次報到交通部我想請問一下部長目前已經11月底了因為其實鄉親都非常非常非常的期待這個建設我想請問部長目前的進度到哪裡?是,剛剛有報告排六二延伸到萬里金山我們都非常的支持讓它這個整個不要讓台二線這麼塞然後現在他們報告送上來我剛才有問他們是現在安排跟我的報告因為我不知道這個事我盡速來聽"},{"start":5301.83,"end":5318.858,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、"},{"start":5319.918,"end":5346.323,"text":"來處理之前其實也已經延宕了近10年了所以這個部分是不是要請部長全力的協助交通部應該要全力的協助競速的審理讓我們這個金山還有萬里的鄉親可以安心對沒問題我趕快安排簡報然後趕快完成這個交通部的審查然後趕快通過我想這個案子是六月裡面一個這個很重要的案子我想這部分也謝謝委員的爭取"},{"start":5349.183,"end":5361.175,"text":"讓我們來做這樣的一個研究。那我們就可以用最快的12月底前會把可行性送到行政院。好,那就照部長說的,拜託年底前進行處理。是,是。OK,謝謝部長。好,謝謝。謝謝。接下來請張宏祿委員質詢。"},{"start":5380.579,"end":5409.161,"text":"麻煩請內政部跟交通部林部長、王部長請部長齁其實啊我們台灣的交通啊我們的主責機關非常的多啦兩位部長你認不認同就道路的維護啦管理啊等等的是不是其實啊很多單位其實都有他的權責"},{"start":5412.014,"end":5420.72,"text":"對不對?交通的主管機關當然是交通部不過有其他的包括道路的工程等等那當然內政部有部分的權責"},{"start":5421.952,"end":5441.272,"text":"我們國土署其實也有管道啊國土署也有他的權責啊是那個都市計畫內的道路的部分對嘛 對不對那王部長那其實是不是像我說的其實這個管理的啦真的是太多機關了等於說負責的機關非常破碎我們現在有沒有這個問題"},{"start":5443.214,"end":5459.653,"text":"的確我們現在就是公路系統是交通部都市計劃內是國土署事實上和農路是這個農業部還有產業、經濟部、水利署的很多目前是因為各自的現在的合作還算順暢"},{"start":5461.375,"end":5474.07,"text":"當然如果能整合是最好但是現在的確分代各個不同的部會但是整合上還是順暢比如說我們跟國土署在這個交界渡假的交界的話也都做很多協調還都會一次斷面會一次的"},{"start":5475.419,"end":5497.219,"text":"是啦,現在的齁,其實行之有年了啦齁,但是在工程上在什麼的話,我覺得都沒有問題啦但是呢,在一般的行車的管理上啊,其實啊,我真的覺得有點太破碎我們舉個例子好了齁,這個我們在地方上啊,比如說要不要劃紅線跟黃線"},{"start":5499.241,"end":5528.667,"text":"哇!這個有時候所有的部會要一起來欸!這個林部長你當過市長你應該知道這個問題這個主責的機關當然是地方政府的交通單位啦不過因為要所謂的劃線的部分當然也會這個聽一下其他單位的一個意見不過主責還是在交通單位地方政府的交通單位沒有"},{"start":5529.605,"end":5557.719,"text":"要不要劃紅線、要不要劃黃線,主責是在地方政府啦,對不對?但常常啊,要不要劃一個紅線或黃線啊,地方政府或我們這樣會刊啊,就要所有的單位都到,所有的單位到的時候,有時候還要在現場啊,再找說,這個路段到底是誰的?這個路段到底是誰的?其實有時候剛好在交接的部分或什麼的,第一線的同仁有時候也搞不清楚耶,"},{"start":5558.539,"end":5558.94,"text":"部長您有沒有遇過這種情況?"},{"start":5564.283,"end":5591.962,"text":"林部長你有沒有遇過?你做過啟定嗎?我覺得那個還好啦那個其實協調一下就好了那比較在地方上比較多的問題是要不要畫的問題要不要畫的問題當然是很多的問題啦但我覺得啦其實像我們現在有太破碎了其實有時候會造成很多的困擾啦"},{"start":5594.904,"end":5615.638,"text":"農路、產業道路基本上不存在要不要劃線的問題。但我為什麼會提出這個問題?我認為道路並不是把路鋪平就好。我們今天講的重點就是把交通安全列為重要的考量,這才是我們要去做的。"},{"start":5617.239,"end":5642.206,"text":"所以我在這邊就是說兩位部長像如果說遇到像這樣子我剛剛所說的這個你們有沒有認為說在都市裡面尤其是六都裡面有沒有需要把它弄一個比較單一的一個管理你們有沒有這個想法或不是你們有沒有認同有這個想法"},{"start":5644.382,"end":5669.931,"text":"現在他們的整合主要是在他們的大案匯報裡面比如說我們的工程處的處長現在也會去參加所以如果牽涉到這個整合問題我們就直接在大案匯報裡面把它談現在要整合成一個單位因為它現在就是公務、交通嘛都是計劃單位但是它通通在大案匯報裡面而且他們原本的職責已經很多工作了"},{"start":5670.791,"end":5675.458,"text":"要把它弄成一個真的是有點困難但是整合這些課題很重要是"},{"start":5676.889,"end":5701.636,"text":"好啦,我是點出這個問題,阿我認為喔,其實我知道在大安匯報有這個,但是其實阿,你會遇到阿,有的在第一線的行政首長,他很認真,他就會去處理。阿如果不認真的或是對這個不了解的齁,你事情有遇到問題齁,光我們是要開路、闢路或什麼,有時候廠廠也會拖了很久啦。這我相信喔,大家實務上都有遇到這個問題啦齁。"},{"start":5703.596,"end":5728.969,"text":"那再來另外兩位部長我要請教一下我們這個交通安全、行人的安全什麼的這個我們是非常非常的要去做的這我們也都非常認同不過實際上在第一線我們會遇到一個情況就是說像現在這個警局達人這樣子有的人他是有殘障車牌"},{"start":5730.923,"end":5752.723,"text":"殘障車牌的這個殘障車牌我們要不要有給他一些通融的空間他推著輪椅或他不能走他總不可能說到好幾百公尺以外不在他家門口下車這一點我們在執法上我不知道這個我們這個警政署或我們這個跟交通部這邊我們有沒有協調過這個問題"},{"start":5756.387,"end":5766.138,"text":"深藏者的聆聽在我們的才華細則的12條有規範如果是他們比如說上下輪椅的話可以不舉花"},{"start":5767.298,"end":5770.14,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中"},{"start":5788.291,"end":5803.161,"text":"他輪椅走了啊,他車關門啊,他沒有照,他沒有拍你那個他上下輪椅的啊,他只拍你那個一瞬間你停在路邊的這個啊,啊這個也被罰了欸,這個警政署,這個也被罰了欸"},{"start":5804.762,"end":5818.29,"text":"如果有這種現象是可以來申復的一般我們都是要有妨礙人車通行要有連續性的那如果這個沒有連續只有當下的部分還是可以做一個撤除那個裁判我知道啦這個但啦"},{"start":5820.451,"end":5844.544,"text":"會造成了很多的困擾我們都認同要有給行人安全但殘障人士我們也是要給他一個安全他也不可能說推著輪椅很遠的地方來所以我覺得這一個部分的執法可能我覺得我們還要再細一點跟委員報告一下現在我們如果是民眾檢舉的話他舉證"},{"start":5846.745,"end":5869.775,"text":"他不是只只憑一張照片他就這個現在現在改了對所以這個部分我們已經有改進對我知道現在改了但我覺得這個改我覺得還是要那個因為如果是殘障車牌我覺得至少要給人家比如說3分鐘或幾分鐘的時間因為你要知道他他要拿倫理他也要從"},{"start":5871.216,"end":5889.856,"text":"不是輪椅他一停車輪椅就擺在那裡了我覺得這一個部分我們可能是不是要再研究一下我們要讓行人的安全很重要我們都認同但殘障人士的行的安全我覺得我們也要注重一下如果有這種情形的話那個罰單他實際上是可以撤除的沒有問題"},{"start":5891.119,"end":5903.785,"text":"我知道啦但有的人他也無法有證據去測數那個輪椅都推走了我們還是會就事實來做認定我覺得你們做得細一點就好了啦好不好好 謝謝"},{"start":5906.584,"end":5925.857,"text":"那個林部長你先請坐最後一點時間王部長謝謝王部長我想再請教一下我們這個板橋社後捷運社後輕軌這個部長你也很清楚我們現在的進度是到哪裡了"},{"start":5927.107,"end":5942.011,"text":"我們在新北曾經提出整體入網評估,我們要求他放進去,他放進去了但是他的確在這個後來在推的時候,他是預留了空間,但是沒有把它畫上去我剛剛有報告就是說,事實上我們也經過這些路線的勘查"},{"start":5947.333,"end":5975.423,"text":"也包括社會支線事實上我們是覺得可行的那的確現在要不要實際晃進去是在新北市政府的態度那交通部是覺得社會地區的發展它的確少一個往外連的一個骨幹交通所以在交通部在各個場合裡面我都支持這樣的一個提案這是我們的狀況但是的確新北市政府要不要晃進去我們也在實際跟他溝通"},{"start":5977.121,"end":6003.149,"text":"反正,交通部我們這邊就是認為要做,錢也有了,什麼都準備好了,現在就是只差新北市一個穩而已嘛,對不對?看他的態度,雖然當時也爭取一些貴厚費用給他做,這個我們爭取,所以就是表達我們的態度,希望他放進去。第一,他現在在真正可行性丟出來的時候,是只有留,沒有放,但是我們也有跟他建議說,這個地方,"},{"start":6004.429,"end":6026.04,"text":"而且社會地區的這些居民也需求非常大所以我們大概是希望說新北市政府還是考量到民眾的需求這個好好的考慮重點是新北市政府也已經留了路線規劃了嘛對不對重點是新北市政府這個路線規劃也都留了嘛他留了可以擴展對嘛好謝謝"},{"start":6033.183,"end":6037.628,"text":"好 謝謝接下來請黃士傑委員質詢好 謝謝主席那我順便有請王部長還有林部長好 兩位部長請"},{"start":6058.042,"end":6082.703,"text":"兩位部長早我想今天非常難得交通部林部長跟內政部林部長都來到同一個委員會顯見大家對於這個專題報告的重視因為交通安全跟我們的交通執法跟我們的事故處理都是非常重要影響人民的日常生活非常重要的事情"},{"start":6084.22,"end":6106.387,"text":"當然為了洗刷行人地域的污名我們除了修法之外也做了很多行政的措施從你們的報告裡面數字上看起來在今年的尤其是下半年也確實在減少行人死傷的交通事故"},{"start":6107.475,"end":6135.447,"text":"那麼顯然這些事情是這些作為是有所成效的當然我們還要再持續觀察是不是可以把它到底做對了什麼事情我想後續還是要來研究但是同時這些措施其實也造成了地方上近來非常多的民怨也就是說因為執法的過程這個大家比較不會那麼快的感受到變安全了"},{"start":6136.208,"end":6138.92,"text":"但是卻先收到罰單跟祭典"},{"start":6140.314,"end":6166.275,"text":"所以很多的問題也特別也凸顯了這個問題的複雜度跟這個長期以來我們的都市規劃以及我們的城鄉的差距沒有在這些機制裡面被考慮進去也就是說譬如說道路設計現在都把人行道納進去可是在城鄉對於人行道的需求其實差異很大"},{"start":6168.754,"end":6186.141,"text":"對於大家用路使用的習慣其實也有很大的差別還有就是對於臨時停車還有停車特別是在夜間我們在地方上遇到非常多的問題剛才也有很多人提到"},{"start":6187.802,"end":6215.25,"text":"這個不好意思在今年的8月、7、8月的時候這個交通部跟內政部就這個臨時停車的部分有強化就是說一定要不管是不是檢舉案件都要強化這個勸導跟注重這個實際行車的妨礙人車通行的這個規定但是就夜間停車的使用習慣我們現在這個問題還是沒有解決"},{"start":6216.528,"end":6233.863,"text":"我是舉這個例子來跟你們講說這個後面牽涉問題非常多因為譬如說我們想像的都是一個都市的情景所以道路的淨空這件事情好像是24小時隨時都應該要滿足的可是在我們的非都會的地區"},{"start":6235.27,"end":6261.784,"text":"有很多其實他到夜間特別是大家又晚晚飯又8點、7、8點以後其實使用習慣都是雖然他有劃白線或是怎麼樣他的路線可能不夠停車但是大家都停整排這個就是過去在建商在蓋房子的時候他因為地區這附近過去都是這樣使用習慣所以他也沒有準備充足的停車位給他這個社區大樓來使用就說外面都可以停"},{"start":6262.759,"end":6290.57,"text":"好,這樣的使用習慣經過20年、15年之後現在造成問題了只要這個社區有一個很喜歡在晚上來檢舉他發現他自己沒有車尾他就把他檢舉檢舉之後大家都被開單開走了他就有位子可以停了造成這樣子的民業是不是我們可以有一些,譬如說相對應的行政的作為可以來因應來應對"},{"start":6292.358,"end":6314.134,"text":"因為現在地方上過去都講說檢舉達人現在他們又發明了名詞說這叫檢舉魔人你可以想像這個地方上的民宴是有這樣的一個狀況所以說我是要請教因為這個同時涉及交通部所主管的關於這個檢舉的範圍、項目跟法規還有我們警察機關在執法的時候"},{"start":6318.957,"end":6336.074,"text":"能不能夠有一些比較彈性的空間但我們不能要求警署不依照法令來執行之務來執法但是各地的使用的習慣、民情還有實際上對於道路交通安全的這個急迫性"},{"start":6337.628,"end":6361.125,"text":"跟它的使用型態是不一樣的我想要請教,先請教王部長應該這樣講,我應該先請教林部長跟黃署長你們在執法的時候是不是常常遇到這種問題再來請教王部長說是不是在法規的訂定上可以比照剛剛講的臨時停車或者是針對一些比較弱勢其他情境去做更細緻的處理那我們先請"},{"start":6363.657,"end":6382.21,"text":"謝委員警察機關在處理臨時停車尤其是七樓地的停車問題困擾很多民眾的檢舉消化到我們很大的警力所以要根本解決就是這個夜間"},{"start":6383.37,"end":6410.29,"text":"開放七樓地的停車,到底要幾點開始可以開放停車?這可能涉及到法規的修訂。我們也期盼說,這個能放寬,讓住戶社區的居民有方便停車。畢竟我們現在停車位是不足,這才能根本解決,否則警察機關接受到選舉,那你認定是確實有違反法規的規定,畢竟還是要開單。"},{"start":6412.284,"end":6436.61,"text":"因為這之前其實也只是解決祭典的問題事實上大家還是一直收到罰單所以這個問題其實還沒有根本解決不過署長剛剛講的是只講到那個七樓地你要聽清楚我剛剛跟你講的因為我們是城鄉城市地區都是七樓在停摩車或是什麼之類的但是在鄉下地方它其實就是鄉間的道路甚至中間沒有花分隔線那一種"},{"start":6438.05,"end":6439.271,"text":"警署及所屬、中警署及所屬、中"},{"start":6454.638,"end":6481.045,"text":"這一個狀況是不是有可能可以請交通部部長來輔導我們地方政府比照你現在講說臨時停車150公尺到100公尺之間劃10%的黃線是不是針對這個部分我們可以重新來檢討不然現在地方政府都把事情推給中央所謂中央法院就這樣訂道路規範、車系規範、過路所定就是這樣所以我一定要這樣照做我們的標線要怎麼劃都是中央的法律"},{"start":6482.219,"end":6492.715,"text":"所以說這個台新的部分在城鄉的差距上面我們認為你們要實際想想去了解一下因為聽你們講其實我覺得你們都在都市裡面對不起王部長"},{"start":6494.066,"end":6514.324,"text":"跟我們報告的確執法裡面有很多震動期然後因為太急促的確有很多的民怨發生那我們最近就是剛才談到的包括一些這個違體裡面先暫停祭典還包括歧弱暫停祭典這個已經公佈了在我們採訪這個細則裡面已經公佈了"},{"start":6517.748,"end":6535.207,"text":"現在我們另外就剛才談到7樓的課題我們事實上發函給各地方政府現在0點到6點這是可以停在7樓目前是這樣那我們也覺得如果鄉下地區地方政府可以前移比如說從這個8點到隔天的幾點"},{"start":6538.33,"end":6552.758,"text":"我是覺得的確有城鄉上面的因地制宜的一個辦法我想說針對最近的一些大家感受到的包括捲舉的一些這些亂象事實上我們內部也做了很多的討論那現在會針對財務細則第12條"},{"start":6556.92,"end":6575.075,"text":"因為在裁判系的12條是說不影響交通的不舉法這意思說剛才談到的這些狀況如果它真的不影響交通甚至剛才有談到這個什麼身障車在停的等等的事實上在裁判系的12條裡面有一些"},{"start":6576.376,"end":6597.306,"text":"如果不影響交通可以不舉花所以我們現在大概以這樣的一個重點希望說能夠降低這樣的一個衝擊但是的確過去這段時間的效果是有出來就是我們7、8、9三個月的大量死亡率下降但是的確影響的部分我想說我們這邊會這個持續來討論來調整"},{"start":6601.513,"end":6628.93,"text":"好那另外就是剛剛你講還是回來講七樓那我意思是說因為我們是說在比較城市的地方黃線都可以開放晚上夜間停車對不對那就鄉下的道路白線它白線是道路邊界線在那種情形有沒有可能在法令上容許這樣的情形其實是可以開放夜間因為現在鄉下的使用習慣都是這樣"},{"start":6630.191,"end":6640.727,"text":"阿你現在變成是說我們如果說你說阿會不會妨礙交通呢其實也很難講對不對你再用到道路的路面算不算妨礙交通但是你黃線都可以停喔"},{"start":6641.999,"end":6665.151,"text":"所以這個部分請你們去研議跟地方政府好好討論因為我們有很多個案都在面臨這樣子的一個情形主要是這樣車道邊線旁邊是路肩所以你停在白線是停在路肩但是如果旁邊是路肩沒有那麼寬他一定會停在線上但是你如果旁邊是這個10公分的所謂"},{"start":6667.212,"end":6692.305,"text":"路面的邊線這個是可以遷移停車我想這部分也是一樣就是說中環是這樣但是在地方政府我們可以來輔導比如說他應該把適當的路邊的停車空間留下來如果不影響交通的話它事實上在這個標線標線也可以做一些調整我是覺得是本身在這個畫到底是幾公分這個可能可以做一些調整"},{"start":6693.629,"end":6715.744,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、"},{"start":6723.789,"end":6746.645,"text":"那我想要請教就是說在你們明年或是未來是交通部嗎那我記得警政署也有就是說這個停車場的P建一方面是你都市計畫內要有這個交通部這邊要有相關的規劃另外一方面是如果在興建相關的公共設施的時候如果有地下停車場的興建計畫你們也都可以補助嘛對不對"},{"start":6747.726,"end":6765.308,"text":"我們過去在前瞻裡面,未來這方面有沒有持續的計畫?我們有兩期,第一期是210後來又加61、261包括桃園也非常多,一、二十個但是它已經進了尾端,就是說該分配出去很多都已經分配完了"},{"start":6765.908,"end":6773.351,"text":"那現在唯一就是說有沒有下一期的前瞻停車場的計劃所以你們有前瞻計劃才會有嗎對對對因為這兩期都是一樣所以這是在前瞻裡面特別拿261出來還是那如果後面有的話當然我們就覺得還是可以繼續"},{"start":6783.294,"end":6807.393,"text":"一定要繼續啊因為我們剛剛講這個問題其實根本問題在那邊嘛對對對對對不對大家為什麼會亂停因為沒有停車空間過去蓋住宅也好或是在都市裡面也好第一個政府主動規劃不夠第二個我們的建商這個都把成本外部化嘛停車問題大家出戶自己解決嘛沒有內涵在自己的這個社區裡面第三個是我們現在自用車的成長太快了以前"},{"start":6808.554,"end":6834.034,"text":"一戶人價一部車、兩部車就很多了現在五、六部車以上所有的殖民一人一台這個永遠都不夠所以這個我是認為說這個政策的方向一定要持續不然你這個我們剛剛講的解決行人地獄所帶來的副作用永遠不會解決所以其實有這個部分一定要繼續繼續提出這樣的計畫我們跟行政院來爭取看下一期有沒有這個"},{"start":6834.694,"end":6836.395,"text":"好,謝謝各位,現在休息10分鐘。"},{"start":7591.548,"end":7603.039,"text":"我們繼續開會陳婉慧委員陳婉慧委員陳婉慧委員不在接下來請莊瑞雄委員質詢"},{"start":7612.257,"end":7622.909,"text":"謝謝辛苦的主席有請我的好朋友交通部王國宅王部長還有我們國土署國土署今天誰來"},{"start":7627.819,"end":7641.567,"text":"部長,我想幾個問題來請教,我們公路局總局,我先就教兩位,各位其實有沒有在我們台灣各個角落,"},{"start":7643.368,"end":7644.409,"text":"警察、警察、警察、警察、警察、"},{"start":7662.003,"end":7666.485,"text":"機動車輛的部分佔1452萬輛,有62%都是機車。這樣的一個用代步交通的工具,在各個市區道路的設計,對整個機車族來看都不太友善。"},{"start":7684.013,"end":7706.127,"text":"我等一下讓部長來看看那今天本期想聚焦在整個道路標線的一個防滑係數的一個問題這個我們國土署這個地方標線的一個性能優劣其實對道路使用者對交通安全都有直接的一個相關性那其中最為重要兩項之一提升你道路的一個標線的一個抗滑的抗滑性能讓我們這個騎機車的人因為騎機車畢竟有那麼多那"},{"start":7712.01,"end":7739.322,"text":"那讓那個怎樣去提升它的一個安全有足夠的一個摩擦力進行安全平穩的一個行駛那另外一樣就是確保道路標線的反光性的一個問題讓所有車輛的駕駛人可以在夜間的環境背景之下那依靠這個車燈照明跟那個標線反光的搭配來引導整個道路範圍跟行駛的一個方向那我介紹很多機車族的一個澄清"},{"start":7740.362,"end":7759.068,"text":"那也就是說大家來反映的就是說在我們國家裡面我們的路面的道路的標線真好只要輪胎壓到了一個標線很容易去滑倒同時很多數據的一個佐證我看交通部跟警政署的統計裡面從107年起107年機車自摔的案件就2萬6千件"},{"start":7767.81,"end":7794.043,"text":"111年已經飆升到3萬多件雖然會造成自摔的原因有很多但是你也不得不去承認這也是影響的一個重要的因素之一那整個道路標線緩滑的部分我想從兩個層面來做一個解析就是說第一個路面標線緩滑的一個係數第二個就是如何把道路的一個標線劃在柏油路上你怎麼去劃"},{"start":7795.123,"end":7815.855,"text":"那國土署已經我看已經發文去把這個將標線施工的一個規範做修正就是你道路標線的一個抗滑的係數去做一個提高市區的道路你們說現在要提到就是65BPM非市區的道路你也建議提升到50BPM那你怎麼樣去劃這個標線你說比起將緩滑係數提高"},{"start":7819.737,"end":7842.387,"text":"如果要根本性的解決標線很滑的一個問題材質跟畫法是一個非常重要的一個考量點我們現在台灣不一定我們現在台灣我們現在在做法就是說用那個熱氮漆這個好像是用貼膠布一樣你看這個就把它貼在路上一樣路面還會凸起一塊起來甚至還會有吊漆你看這個就會有吊漆的現況"},{"start":7843.627,"end":7857.929,"text":"那我們去看其他的國家你看隔壁的日本他們就採取的作用是用噴射式的施作的一個方法那當然錢會比較多啦但確實也跟地面去做貼合還有達到反觀跟緩緩的一個效用"},{"start":7859.291,"end":7873.524,"text":"臺灣的機車這麼多又一個我們常常會怕落後路面的一個標線是黃華的一個重中之重要確保民眾用路的安全所以我在這邊我們營建署、國土署這個地方"},{"start":7876.667,"end":7894.833,"text":"這個我也曾經要求過就是上次說車道瘦身的一個建議那你現在的一個政策的一個工具在道路品質的一個提升跟審查會議當中你們直接針對這個整個道路的標線施作方法你們有沒有可能去做一個強制的一個要求"},{"start":7896.868,"end":7913.403,"text":"我先回答,交通部的公路系統的部分,過去是45BPM,現在大概都是55以上當然往上提就是剛才談到65BPM這第一個,那我想說在機車組摔倒的部分有些是不平"},{"start":7914.184,"end":7933.521,"text":"路不平或是說這個人孔蓋人孔蓋這個突出那現在我們也在公華裡面都是把它下降跟路面幾乎都是平的所以大概有幾項就是說路面的一些人孔蓋還有包括這個這個我們標畫這個標線的環劃係數這部分都要注意我想現在在我們公務系統大概都是朝這個方面在提升"},{"start":7941.487,"end":7959.746,"text":"編譯一下啦,因為騎機車的人畢竟是真的是那麼多啦那我那個國土署這邊請回那我再請一下我看這個應該要來問一下我繼續問好了,這個交通部這個地方就可以了我們根據大陸交通標誌的一個號誌的一個設置的一個規則"},{"start":7964.13,"end":7988.729,"text":"我們畫那個潮劃線的目的我們是用來引導車輛駕駛人跟指示的路線的一個行駛你畫設在交叉路口還有立體交叉的一個紮道口跟其他特殊的一個地點這個都涉及到整個交通的一個執法的問題這我就不用叫警政署起來了太油了但是我要請教我們部長的就是說你看我們現行的潮劃線你看有三種你說單時限的"},{"start":7991.371,"end":8003.802,"text":"或者說像那種歪線圖上你們這種歪線型的還有斜紋的這三種你按照法規的一股規定現在有的潮汗線那些都禁止去跨越跟停我的車有時候這樣被那些潮汗線跪下"},{"start":8006.764,"end":8007.845,"text":"這張圖在雲林的道路上"},{"start":8032.598,"end":8056.33,"text":"你這個為了提醒駕駛前面你要左轉車道所以你劃了這個潮化線在內側的一個車道裡面那這就很怪啦你看這個圖裡面你就根據潮化線你是不能去跨越的所以我要左轉的車我要先切到直行車道再迴轉到左車道這個好怪所以引起批評那我們公路局這個地方喔到最後你們就把它撤掉了對不對就是說"},{"start":8058.231,"end":8079.888,"text":"你為了邏輯你很奇怪你知道嗎你為了之後我不能看月我看月之後我叫你開發單叫你發錢之後人家把你幹掉之後你就要去把他紅掉所以你們這個真的要特別小心啦那另外第二個喔你看發生在嘉義市的這個是更好玩啦你看你的機車是兩段左轉前你先有一個潮話線"},{"start":8081.229,"end":8090.416,"text":"你們就在製造陷阱嘛你們這個製造陷阱嘛你要去停、要去停等區的一個駕駛你可有可能沒去搞到那個鎖啊?結果就是要問你,警政署王明昭署長的你不用站也沒關係,在聽的就是說他找這種,你看問部長跟局長在這裡啊?你們在鎖威威的以後齁我如果說水,氣這樣搞到以後,以後你開多大啊?啊幾個月以後你們現在就想說這沒道理,要把它給撤除掉"},{"start":8109.921,"end":8137.14,"text":"這都民怨啦,對不對?這真的都民怨,這真的要特別去做一個注意啦而且你看喔,現在法規上的盲點就是說我們法規上禁止跨越,或者去在那邊停否則的話,一定會收到罰單但是你這個潮劃線的作用是為了引導車輛的行駛你當然是屬於一個必要的一個標線你去把它塗銷,你又有安全上的一個餘率這要怎麼平衡?來,我要想想,這要怎麼平衡?"},{"start":8140.541,"end":8165.57,"text":"事實上在漸變段它應該是長距離的漸變像你今天左邊這一個是到它變了以後才讓它換方向您就是沒有辦法直接檢查過,我不知道你要去引導嗎但是它這個引導太短了它應該是在前面就開始長距離的漸變同樣一樣,所以我想說最近我有請我們的應援所對地方政府的交通單位做一些訓練"},{"start":8166.71,"end":8184.569,"text":"就是在畫這些標線的時候,有些人不知道,他覺得說我這麼不合格,所以有些黃線在,但是他不知道過來的人為了避免這個或是會這個促使他去違規,所以我想這部分我們來跟地方政府做一些這個訓練,這個之後我們來處理。這個真的要特別小心。"},{"start":8185.49,"end":8210.536,"text":"你們都組長做得保證也好、做得確定也好,你們沒有機會自己去開車的一般市民、一般的民眾車自己開、摩托車自己騎,他感受會特別深刻你這個都製造陷阱啦,要不然我們覺得人家批評了,我們去把他弄掉這個我認為這個不對,你去看英國,我特別去看英國的例子他潮話線,你看他們就分成,他允許穿越捏"},{"start":8211.616,"end":8228.235,"text":"阿嘎有一種是允許穿越一種是禁止穿越的兩種他就用虛線跟實現來做分界實現了潮汗線我就不可以穿越虛線的部分就容許我去做一個穿越我們鄰近的國家日本也是採用這樣的一個規定"},{"start":8229.096,"end":8254.313,"text":"所以他們的潮話線也是分為有的是可以穿越的我們是不能穿越的啊我們這裡是全部都不能穿越啊穿越之後就開發大啊現在黃焦焦的之後就開始越來越多這個邏輯我是覺得我們應該是好好地去再精進一下可以穿越的它用白線的實現來包圍整個潮話線那不可以穿越的它用黃色來包圍啦所以本席認為這兩個設計的一個理念喔"},{"start":8259.556,"end":8273.127,"text":"日本也好他們這樣的一個設計的一個理念我可以同時兼顧就引導整個車輛跟提升交通的一個效率那也最主要也不會讓民眾去處罰啦所以我是覺得不對這個今天你既然來了"},{"start":8274.249,"end":8276.87,"text":"麻煩帶回去研究一下。"},{"start":8296.557,"end":8323.171,"text":"一般的民眾都會碰到這個問題那剛好人家英國也這樣做隔壁的日本也這樣做那這個設計也符合交通引導跟交通整個安全引導方向的一個理念那我們有必要再去精進好不好部長我們持續進進我想說另外一個就是說這個我們標誌標線號誌設置規則有規定但是有些地方在執行的時候他誤用了誤用他的精神"},{"start":8324.071,"end":8336.245,"text":"所以我想說這部分我們來跟地方溝通是,啊也要宣導啦是是是從精進料啊也要宣導不然你讓,搞不好我們現在的警察同仁他們在執法的時候他們就認為啊,法律就是這樣規定啊好好不好,OK謝謝,好謝謝委員"},{"start":8343.498,"end":8355.984,"text":"對齁,因為我們很多警察執法的時候,就會面對這些困擾,對,要...你用幾十張喔?所以你不用請我吃飯,好,謝謝,來,好,接下來請陳嬌華委員質詢。好,謝謝主席,我們請兩位部長。林部長、王部長請。"},{"start":8375.677,"end":8378.105,"text":"好,我先請教那個王部長"},{"start":8379.793,"end":8409.079,"text":"先前在宜蘭新澳隧道發生車輛追撞嚴重事故導致一死11輕重傷後來網路上有人翻出殺死車駕駛的所屬公司遭開了18張的罰單記錄那也代表我們駕駛行為早就成為公路上嚴重的未報彈那請問部長這樣的累犯駕駛該如何來輔導及要求"},{"start":8409.599,"end":8414.593,"text":"另外、運輸公司對其駕駛的監督責任如何被納入。"},{"start":8416.867,"end":8440.176,"text":"我們事實上對於我們的酒單藝術會有評鑑的制度那的確這一家公司它是很多車輛那評鑑的結果不是那麼差但是對於這個駕駛當然是處罰條例該怎麼處罰就處罰然後如果在它的駕駛很多人都換錯這在我們評鑑裡面會按照公路法來對公司加以懲處這樣是"},{"start":8441.618,"end":8460.133,"text":"部長就是說在交通委員會我也質詢過就是我們針對大型車的這個駕駛的輔導那我剛剛是做輔導但是部長我們交通部的思維好像還是停留在怎麼去管理怎麼去處罰"},{"start":8461.687,"end":8490.829,"text":"但是因為現在我們感受不到我們的駕駛在執勤的時候有那種幸福的感覺的時候就是會容易出狀況那如果我們不重視這個情況會越來越嚴重所以還是要請部長能夠去思考如何讓我們的駕駛感受到幸福快樂然後在工作的時候能夠反映在這個態度上面然後這樣就可以減少事故"},{"start":8491.57,"end":8510.947,"text":"不然交通部如果你的思維還是停留在怎麼管理面、處罰面這個還是會出問題而且不會改善那另外有關那個延緩祭典那交通部我們看到暫緩祭典好像是來解決眼前的爭議而已那行人定義這樣的問題還是會持續上演"},{"start":8514.21,"end":8529.777,"text":"整個人本交通在談是處理到整個用路人的權益那今天如果只是犧牲單一個用路族群來犧牲其他用路人的權益那就沒有跟相關路權跟行人團體進行討論的話那這樣的問題還是很嚴重所以面對計程車的計點爭議那我們要怎麼來通盤檢討還有"},{"start":8541.983,"end":8567.945,"text":"可以提出比較具體的處理方式呢?事實上這個630的新制所產生當然在交通安全的改善很有成效那的確就是說當地方的林庭抽屍還沒做好以前也造成很多包括計程車業者他們怕所以配套還沒做好嗎?交通部還沒準備好?"},{"start":8568.545,"end":8579.71,"text":"不是沒怎樣就是說這個的確我們當時包括委員也提了很多的修正那當時的婚委的確我們就覺得應該這樣做但是的確現在實施了有這樣的狀況我們現在大概先暫停檢討一下這樣嗎就是劃緩照劃但是暫停祭典因為影響他的這個生計好那部長什麼時候可以來完全能夠來開始又恢復執行了"},{"start":8597.319,"end":8622.365,"text":"現在這樣就是地方政府準備好了那當然我們現在也建議給他一個時間點就三個月內優先路段先做明年六月這個全線都做完那明年六月明年六月就因為他們福利很大那我們去福島也包括相關經費的支持我們一起來把真正一個領頂好的環境把它創造出來這樣好那"},{"start":8623.425,"end":8641.313,"text":"就是說這個問題的解決的確是需要靠部長還有我們整個交通部的智慧怎麼來解決這些問題那再來請問林部長現在就是有關人行道的部分那本席辦公室也接到民眾陳情就是說舉發機車圍停人行道在臺北市處理就是不予舉發因為"},{"start":8649.317,"end":8674.74,"text":"陳其仁他沒有檢附禁止騎樓人行到停車的牌面那請問就是我們現在的制度及各縣市的自治條例的差異民眾在舉發人行到車輛圍停還要先看看附近有沒有禁止騎樓人行到停車的牌面那如果沒有拍到這種牌面的話警察"},{"start":8676.041,"end":8703.502,"text":"這邊就不會處理,警察局就不會處理了嗎?那目前各縣市是不是都會有這樣的情況?那我們怎麼來處理?就是人行道危停,然後這個舉發,或者是因為人行道如果危停也會造成民眾沒有辦法來走,所以就會造成這個走到這個車道上面造成危險。所以內政部怎麼來看待這個事情?"},{"start":8710.663,"end":8729.01,"text":"這個還是請警政署長這個其實是對,這是臺北市的那個自治條例那各縣市是怎麼來處理是不是都需要有拍到這個禁止騎樓人行到停車牌面才會執勤呢其他的縣市應該是沒有"},{"start":8731.294,"end":8758.171,"text":"那臺北市可以這樣做嗎?你要舉法一定要拍到這樣子的牌面,這樣子適當嗎?這是臺北市的自治條例,他們透過市議會的立法的一個程序所以中央不會去,就是去,中央就同意嗎?地方的自治條例中央就沒有意見嗎?是這樣嗎?不是,如果是屬於它自治的範圍裡面,它地方政府的確是可以透過法治的一個程序是這樣嗎?"},{"start":8760.53,"end":8783.901,"text":"他如果沒有違反中央的法令的話﹐地方是可以訂自治條例沒有違反嗎因為那個騎樓的管理﹐他們在自治條例裡面﹐比如說可以停機車、停什麼﹐這個是他們的因為中央沒有訂﹐所以地方就沒有違反﹐是不是這個樣子沒有﹐就是說有些﹐中央該不該有些彈性是留給地方"},{"start":8784.141,"end":8812.359,"text":"所以我們一直在談交通安全基本法是不是要把這個定清楚包括中央包括內政部要去重視這個問題啊那現在內政部因為沒有定所以地方自治條例你們就沒有沒有辦法去反對那內政部這邊要怎麼處理?騎樓的停車的確需要有一些因地制宜的作為那人行道呢?人行道就是包括交通部、內政部應該都有管理嘛"},{"start":8813.511,"end":8831.913,"text":"那你們要不要訂定相關的規定因為這個問題跟行人遞運的這個問題是相關的應該是騎樓吧我覺得人行道我還沒看過人行道去可以允許人行道停車我還沒有看到這一個應該是騎樓啦騎樓的部分騎樓是人行道的一部分"},{"start":8832.233,"end":8854.8,"text":"所以人行道本來就不能停車對不對那人行道不能停車那現在人行道不能停車為什麼在禁止騎樓人行道停車我們舉發了卻被地方的自治條例去否決掉那內政部這個部分是內政部主責你怎麼可以同意這樣子的自治條例呢"},{"start":8857.254,"end":8883.222,"text":"這的確地方有一些他對於他棋樓的一個他的遷移措施那我知道有的地方是叫做正面表就是公布說這裡可以停有的是這裡不能停他看起來是這個不能停來準備好那今天這個機會就是內政部、交通部兩位部長因為我們還是要去知道就是沒有這個"},{"start":8885.403,"end":8912.922,"text":"這個通行無阻的人行道,我們先不講騎樓,我們其實是會影響安全,交通安全也是會影響人本交通,還有觀光,其實都是這個會連帶的受到影響,所以我要請教就是我們內政部警政署,我們剛剛提到人行道的這個舉發違規,那我們未來怎麼來落實行人優先交通安全綱領,我們怎麼來落實?"},{"start":8917.125,"end":8942.927,"text":"配合這個選舉優先的政策那當然警政部門會對這個防害行人安全的這些違規四大項目會加強的積查來取締以為這個安全那當然有一些一些比較便民的部分就是沒有嚴重違規防害人車通行的像包括在騎樓地停車的部分"},{"start":8943.847,"end":8951.29,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、"},{"start":8965.876,"end":8986.423,"text":"這個才會去處罰嗎?這個就是像我們在民眾卷舉的我們一定要要求他要附那個照片或影像那影像照片就要有足以妨礙人車通行的部分能顯示出來才會告發那這個臺北市的自治條例也就是根據那個精神來訂定他們自治條例"},{"start":8987.674,"end":9006.319,"text":"那各縣市如果舉發沒有因為根本沒有例啊它如果沒有全面去設置而且這個設置其實也是妨礙交通或者是妨礙站觀嘛對不對如果我們廣為設置那這個自治條例的確是有一些爭議啦所以在這裡就是請內政部要檢討可以嗎我們再研議看看啦"},{"start":9010.882,"end":9038.28,"text":"好,那再來就是在科技執法的部分那近年來各地方政府為了加強交通管理的績效那不少路段實施科技執法那審計部近日也調查全國28個連續3年一造勢路段中有7處是科技執法設備與當地的造勢主因不同所以要求交通部要督促改善"},{"start":9039.08,"end":9056.346,"text":"所以為了協助警察取締違規行為交通部從2019年有補助地方政府構置這些科技執法的設備但是部長對於科技執法設置的補助交通部到底有沒有督促地方政府針對"},{"start":9057.466,"end":9072.342,"text":"造勢熱點或者是造勢主因．還有對於地方政府規劃設置不適當的科技執法的設備交通部有沒有縮減或取消補助金的這些追回的機制"},{"start":9072.844,"end":9096.314,"text":"我跟委員報告,這個交通部補助是少數現在的勁威很多都是在這個警政署這一邊那的確就是說,肇事熱點跟違規的熱點有時候不大一樣所以我想說,他們有他們的評估,比如說雖然沒有肇事,但是違規很多的他們可以用科技執法的一個設備好,那本席建議我們交通部要做一個調查好嗎?"},{"start":9097.534,"end":9098.555,"text":"道路交通管理處罰條例72條第二項有提到科學的儀器"},{"start":9118.921,"end":9136.128,"text":"屬因經定情檢定、合格執法定、渡糧橫企。請問署長,彰化的警方在縣道139縣偵測抓、押車等危險駕駛行為的科技執法設備,請問這套設備有沒有通過標檢局的檢測?"},{"start":9143.999,"end":9165.989,"text":"測數設備的話都一定要經過標檢局的一個檢測那我們國會辦公室有問過標檢局標檢局說這個沒有這個不是渡良痕器不是用渡良痕器檢定檢查辦法所以不需要經過檢定那這一套執法設備是由哪一個單位實施定期的檢定"},{"start":9166.809,"end":9179.79,"text":"以未經標檢局檢驗的這些科技執法的設備進行執法,無法確保設備信效度的情況下,就是人民受害。我們希望來要檢討。"},{"start":9182.295,"end":9201.18,"text":"我瞭解我們的測速設備是有檢定的,那到底是什麼時候檢定的?本席提出來就是希望相關的科技執法還有這些設備是不是符合標準應該警政署要做一個管控的那個"},{"start":9202.95,"end":9203.43,"text":"計劃,來符合這個標準。"},{"start":9228.906,"end":9252.465,"text":"我們執法不管工具或者是法律規章都要非常明確要依法行政所以這個不管是在什麼執行任何法令上面都應該做到這一點接下來請陳培宇委員質詢好謝謝主席那有請內政部長跟交通部長兩位部長請謝謝部長"},{"start":9258.153,"end":9284.468,"text":"兩位部長好我想就快速跟部長討論關於通學步道我們要說其實在今年我們看一下校園周邊校園周邊暨行車安全道路改善計畫辦公室跟你們調資料從5月底的執行率沒有過半到7月底達到了86%那到現在為止就我們的認知看這個資料款項已經全數分配完畢"},{"start":9285.268,"end":9308.161,"text":"那這個部分我要再次感謝兩位部長在這件事情上我相信應該是非常的積極協助地方政府盤點通學步道協助學校完善道路但是我也很想問就是在今年的預算之後應該全台灣3000多所國中小應該還沒有機會完全完成這個通學道路的改善不知道這個部分兩位部長在後續的規劃上有沒有什麼想法"},{"start":9309.793,"end":9322.466,"text":"我想這有幾個部分第一個是在我們內政部提升道路品質計畫裡面這個從106年的時候開始補助這個總計有2410案那中央的補助的金額是高達449億多元"},{"start":9325.109,"end":9353.793,"text":"那其中已經完成的是1807案那目前正在執行中的是603案這是第一部分第二部分是校園周邊暨行車安全道路改善的計劃就是剛剛委員特別提到的那我們是總計是補助349案那已經合配的這個金額是49.4億那未來的話就是4年400億我們會繼續的來做相關的一個改善但並不一定是"},{"start":9354.473,"end":9375.815,"text":"該委員講的3000多所的學校每一所學校都有必要我們會這個地方來做評估跟提案我們也會來進行相關的一個審議我覺得剛剛部長的回答我覺得大家應該聽了都會很放心怎麼說因為剛剛部長已經講到就會有因地制宜的問題確實我們在都會地區在意的是通學步道可是我們也認識非常多偏鄉的校長跟老師他們有跟我們提到"},{"start":9376.315,"end":9396.383,"text":"關於通學的車子的問題或是其他問題那這個問題也許後續再跟部長討論那我們今天還是要想要讓部長看一下其實這在立法院附近的這所學校我們可以看到這個學生上學這個道路上停滿了機車其實我們自己都很好奇像這樣子的學校或者是像後面這一張這是在我住家附近的一所學校那他們的狀況就是在學生出來這個大門這邊呢其實"},{"start":9399.904,"end":9400.725,"text":"警署及所屬、中警署及所屬、中"},{"start":9424.378,"end":9442.056,"text":"學校老師或是家長他們有沒有可能搞不清楚說這個狀況是可以改善而不要讓小孩在放學的時候例如說我自己去這個我的小孩就念這所學校我真的就親眼看過有小孩就這樣衝過馬路差點被車撞到那還好是那個小孩真的伸手非常矯健他就自己一個翻空他就翻過去了"},{"start":9443.237,"end":9468.889,"text":"我想要講的就是剛剛跟部長說我們當然知道有非常非常多預算跟計劃在進行可是我還是想要再一次拜託兩位部長把相關這個通學步道的事情還有這個臨庭的空間因為臨庭的空間我覺得也是大家非常多家長會在意的事情尤其是現在因為很多家長可能就上班就順便把小孩送去學校了可是這個臨庭空間的解決我覺得也是要拜託兩位部長持續協助地方政府做相關的盤點好嗎"},{"start":9472.939,"end":9493.881,"text":"跟我們報告一下這個其實不應該有問題因為剛剛跟你報告其實經費上面是很充足而且這個未來還有四年四百億的經費那這個可能就是必須要地方政府他積極的一個提案那這個在改善上面現在已經都有很多很好的這種案例"},{"start":9495.943,"end":9521.963,"text":"或改善的方式,包括校門口的退縮或圍牆的退縮等等,可以把原本不足的空間讓出來,讓整個通學、通行環境,包括臨時接送的上下學的空間都可以出來。這個基本上在規劃跟設計的層面,經費的部分也沒有問題,所以我們會再跟地方政府來讓他們積極的提案。"},{"start":9523.884,"end":9540.315,"text":"這個其實我們已經宣導了很久我相信地方政府應該也都充分了解就是鼓勵他們積極提案這件事情我覺得內政部跟交通部一定很有自己的態度跟立場那只是說在這個部分我覺得也可以讓更多更多家長知道內政部跟交通部在這件事情上是非常非常積極的"},{"start":9541.115,"end":9555.288,"text":"是,這個我之前還甚至直接寫信給縣市長讓縣市長直接掌握狀況那後來這個提案的一個反應都這個非常好如果委員有個案的部分也歡迎可以提出來我們不談個案"},{"start":9556.049,"end":9562.293,"text":"我相信會有跨部會的事情之後也是要持續拜託內政部跟交通部在協助地方政府在跨部會的整合上需要溝通跟討論的"},{"start":9582.305,"end":9603.636,"text":"我跟委員報告其實這不應該有問題這個現在都是我們在做整體規劃的時候一再強調的包括五大管線、電線桿耗製或者是說包括電信箱等等其實都要一併的做規劃跟處理甚至是包括收納或者是說包括地下化所以理論上不應該現在還會出現這種狀況"},{"start":9606.818,"end":9621.633,"text":"我們現在大概都是整體環境而且希望說它不只是在學校的周邊甚至可以延伸進一步到譬如說包括路口整體一個比較大的尺度跟範圍所以我一直到地方市場的時候一直強調經費是重組的然後希望地方自己規劃完整規劃案件"},{"start":9625.536,"end":9654.282,"text":"對對我相信從因為我們看內政部相關的資料跟交通部也是就是預算是充足而且大家有心要做這件事情但是也有讓地方政府也更積極的配合這個部分就在拜託內政部跟交通部那最後想要討論另外一個事情就是關於這個人權工作小組我們看到交通部其實在相關的這個未成立人權工作小組裡面交通部是被放在右邊這邊我們想要問一下部長為什麼交通部內部沒有成立人權工作小組會不會是您的幕僚在幫您評估人權工作小組的工作內容"},{"start":9654.702,"end":9656.242,"text":"可能不是跟您目前在推動的業務有關"},{"start":9674.827,"end":9698.107,"text":"那這個部分也許就請木老再跟您說那我們看到會不會是交通部您的同仁可能當您認為交通部無障礙交通環境推動小組就是符合所謂人權工作小組可是事實上在人權工作小組相關作業指引裡面其實還有很多跟交通事項有關那這部分因為我時間已經到我們之後也會再跟交通部積極討論如何在交通事務相關的事務上成立人權推動小組"},{"start":9698.687,"end":9701.508,"text":"把我們在意的人權價值落實在各個部會的行政當中"},{"start":9717,"end":9731.227,"text":"好,謝謝,因為人權很重要,用戶員的人權也很重要來,劉世芳委員、劉世芳委員、劉世芳委員不在接下來請我們交通委員會的重量級的召委陳雪生委員質詢謝謝我們召委是不是請內政部長還有警政署長林部長還有黃署長委員好部長齁"},{"start":9747.165,"end":9769.291,"text":"港務警察在馬祖有個分隊在那邊那現在也沒房子住也沒有住地我記得我當縣長的時候他們就變成孤兒了我撥了一個小小間的辦公室給他們用那麼到現在一直還沒有妥善的解決那我想了一個方法"},{"start":9770.749,"end":9796.425,"text":"這個港務警察屬於韓港嘛,對不對?韓港啊,所以我把這個韓港局局長找來了齁那你在韓港裡面的住地的安全啊,這很重要啊但是內政部警政署勒,可能整個受限於財政的困難齁那沒有編這個預算那今天正好交通部長王部長也來了齁兩位部長在這邊你們握個手啊,把問題解決齁"},{"start":9800.539,"end":9825.075,"text":"這要謝謝委員還有謝謝航港局不是,我是說現在我跟航港局講這個警察是保護我們等個港灣的安全嘛對不對但是這些警察很可憐他沒有助力沒有助力一個小辦公室那我們好不容易現在港務處的大樓撥了一小時給他們但住宿的問題卻無法解決"},{"start":9826.656,"end":9844.14,"text":"所以我現在拜託航港局在港務基金裡面、作業基金裡面、航港作業基金裡面編了一些錢這些錢也不少,也要幾千萬,不一定有錢那港務警察原來現在目前還是8個人,聽說要擴充到20個人,那個署長有沒有這回事?確實我們有討論,因為那個業務量也是在增加,勢必要增加人"},{"start":9855.831,"end":9872.665,"text":"那署長我原來也不認識他後來認識以後我發現他非常謙和跟他討論的問題他非常重視那我也表示感佩我原來也在台北市中山分局服務過14年士林分局也待過4年多"},{"start":9873.746,"end":9899.196,"text":"那我對警察的特性也非常了解那我是拜託署長還有部長好不好這一方面能夠跟那個我們交通部長王部長你不要假裝沒聽到嘛請你上來好不好這個我要問你要不要答應這件事情我跟你講齁,航港局局長大概內部有開過會了今天沒有來嘛齁你說什麼"},{"start":9902.537,"end":9926.044,"text":"朱祐雄說你要求他們要加倍的承諾你講什麼?暗戰?好不是我怕我替警察我們以前沒有警察自由會我們現在縣長、議長都在發動警察自由會可能因為我的關係因為我以前在警察單位待過"},{"start":9927.096,"end":9945.223,"text":"部長,這個問題你能夠答應內政部嗎?我支持,我們提供這個,我覺得他也是我們的一部份王國產人非常好,王國產部長人非常好他在交通委員會他自己不來開會請假,跑到內政委員會我覺得很好笑對內政委員會的尊重"},{"start":9948.837,"end":9967.703,"text":"沒有我們警察支持交通安全那王部長你請回,我想你也答應了嘛那我們內政部長是不是跟部長感謝一下好不好你一毛錢都不要出欸還有那個楊一鳴這要謝謝委員,也謝謝王部長楊一鳴現在是校長還是署長校長"},{"start":9975.819,"end":9986.429,"text":"我跟各位報告,楊雲明校長,我在中山分局當會計主任,他是刑事組長他接那個侯友宜,侯友宜也是我的老同事"},{"start":9987.891,"end":10009.361,"text":"當然楊雲明校長為人非常的好,我也拜託我們內政委會召委預算不要去動他,幫忙你再幫忙喊一下,因為今天早上部長才答應要另外再幫他籌將近一千八百一億對,九千萬的我們楊雲明校長很有作為,我今天正好有這個機會"},{"start":10010.731,"end":10037.859,"text":"看到我們老同事在這邊非常高興楊下你請回下次有請客吃飯要找我不要忘了我我好久跟他沒有碰面了大家各邊前程大概都有蠻好的結果部長謝謝還有就是我們的殯葬業務是你們管轄的範圍對殯葬業務也是內政部我們南竿的公墓民眾公墓署長你請回沒事"},{"start":10040.269,"end":10045.842,"text":"殯葬的業務已經人滿為患,沒地方買,那麼縣政府可能會有公文來"},{"start":10047.921,"end":10076.278,"text":"公文來我來瞭解一下我想你當過地方父母官當過基隆市市長表現也非常的好那麼我也去拜訪過你幾次我們在很多公務的場合也碰到面拜託您對地方的事務多協助好不好我想地方的事務我們都會全力來支持有機會歡迎部長也另離馬祖好不好馬祖很熟我也之前當市長的時候也很多次到馬祖去交流"},{"start":10076.929,"end":10103.257,"text":"基隆跟馬祖以前等於是姊妹的縣市對我們兩邊的相處也非常好是怎麼跟部長也有很好的一個交情是那邊有關平常有拜託您我來瞭解還有就是社會住宅社會住宅我們現在已經有一處了因為我想這是蔡總統的政見對那國防部那邊現在還有一些問題那我想也協助內政部、營建署這邊"},{"start":10104.178,"end":10107.66,"text":"我會跟他們積極協調。謝謝部長。謝謝。謝謝。我們謝謝陳雪生委員來這邊替我們警察爭取福利。接下來請羅美玲召委質詢。"},{"start":10139.056,"end":10142.309,"text":"謝謝主席,有請交通部王國才部長請部長"},{"start":10149.145,"end":10166.931,"text":"編號部長好部長為了要這個嚇止酒駕的這個行為我們在111年1月24號的時候我們有修了刑法第185之3條就是來加重這個法環可是呢我們來看一下111年到112年同期"},{"start":10171.573,"end":10194.32,"text":"那這個刑法修了之後呢﹖到底這個酒駕的行為有沒有改善﹖看起來是沒有是無解反正我們從數字上面看來是這個樣子那今年的5月份呢﹖我們又修了道交條例第35條不管是吊扣駕照、吊銷駕照﹖或者是提高罰環等等"},{"start":10195.761,"end":10201.385,"text":"五月到八月,修了道交條例第35條,我們還是看到酒駕的行為還是沒有改善的。那現在怎麼辦呢?不管你怎麼罰,好像這些人都覺得"},{"start":10219.274,"end":10233.625,"text":"無所謂、無關痛療,那這個後續我們還有怎麼樣的這個做法嗎?我跟委員報告,我們的資料裡面這是事故,我們死亡的車禍是有下降,就是說那個死亡人數是曾經下降,而且"},{"start":10234.686,"end":10258.427,"text":"相關的這個績效,照我們看起來是這樣,當然就是說這個數量還是很高,但是我們事實上在酒駕在處署條例修的已經很重了,這個是非常重要的一件事。對啊,我就說已經很重了,可是呢大家好像也是乏不怕嘛,因為大概到最近我們快要聖誕節了,元旦也快到了,農曆年也快到了,那我們知道說每次到這些節日重要節日"},{"start":10258.567,"end":10282.865,"text":"接日的時候其實我們都有這個比如說有取締啦比如說我們會設一個這個酒廁的這個站啊之類的可是這也是行之有年了可是我們發現這個因為酒駕我們是零容忍那像這個酒駕當然部長應該講的是這個死亡事故我們跟你講的是整個整體上的這個因為酒駕引起的交通事故"},{"start":10284.326,"end":10308.604,"text":"怎麼修法、怎麼加重罰還其實這個酒駕的行為還是沒有改善那部長我想請教一下好像就比較希望是源頭管理像美國在2021年的時候美國國會他有敲定一個基礎建設計畫當中他有追加了一項道路運輸法案就是要求未來的新車必須要配備可防止酒駕的這個行駛的這個系統"},{"start":10310.686,"end":10317.548,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中"},{"start":10332.851,"end":10352.477,"text":"我現在跟委員報告我目前大概有兩個一個是當然談研討管理我們現在那個代價酒後代價是全台灣都有在做就是說我們去福島的很多包括計程車業者或是專門做酒駕這個業者所以在餐廳你如果是要叫車"},{"start":10353.737,"end":10379.04,"text":"對啦 部長你講的這部分我想國民都已經知道像代價的這個部分等等也就是說我們其實也祭出了很多的這個手段希望能夠降低這個酒駕我在講的就是說不管罰還也好各種手段也好都沒有辦法讓這個酒駕的這個交通事故的這個案件數來降低那我們想說交通部是不是可以來做的更多所以本席有看到美國他這個有做"},{"start":10379.48,"end":10379.66,"text":"事故處理機制。二、繼續審查"},{"start":10403.042,"end":10420.383,"text":"現在我們如果是酒駕他後來再重新考駕照的時候我們是規定要放酒精手對這我也覺得但是就是說如果要配搭就變成一般的這個車子的配備這個需要研究就這個要研究但是酒精手的東西在台灣已經有了"},{"start":10420.523,"end":10439.245,"text":"所以剛剛部長您講的是酒精所的部分嗎?並不是說這個系統嗎?因為《道交條例》的第35條其實裡面就有提到這個部分那所以變成說美國的這個系統就偵測說那個酒精的這個系統是不是可以來研究看看當然我們也很擔心就是會不會有誤判的這個狀況啦"},{"start":10441.514,"end":10457.458,"text":"對,這部分你們有想法嗎?還是沒有從來對面研究過?就是說,我不知道美國,跟我們應該是一樣,酒精手是一個儀器,這是一個儀器,當你呼吸,如果有酒精的這個時候,你是打開的。它是類似的系統嗎?類似,就是類似系統。所以我們現在用在這種有酒駕紀錄要重新考,"},{"start":10464.659,"end":10488.088,"text":"對,你們是事後嘛,譬如說他曾經有個記錄,那如果要重新再申請這個牌照的時候才會有嘛可是美國看起來並不是,他是未來的新車,他是必須的配備對,跟我們做的方式不一樣,我們是說你之前曾經有過酒駕車,再要重新申請這個牌照的時候才要上這個酒精所嘛,對不對"},{"start":10489.909,"end":10514.864,"text":"這個還沒有這個就是請政務部這邊來做一個研究好那再來部長我要跟您探討的就是有關於我們旅遊諮詢的這個多國語言服務的部分那昨天呢我有接待了一些來自於東南亞的一些朋友他們對於我們這個旅遊比如說像有這個清真認證的這個餐廳還有我們還有所謂的祈禱室還有在"},{"start":10515.504,"end":10536.94,"text":"比如說在旅館裡面我們有那個朝向賣家的那個sticker那個貼紙那個部分他們覺得非常的這個肯定因為東南亞有很多這個穆斯林比如說馬來西亞啦印尼有很多的穆斯林他對台灣這部分他們覺得非常覺得非常的棒比起日本、韓國我們真的是比較貼心可是對於這個多國語言的這個諮詢的部分他們覺得說台灣可以來再做加強那比如說像"},{"start":10545.646,"end":10562.78,"text":"我們在這個線上旅遊諮詢的服務我們的多國語言其實比起日本來講的話我們的語種一般上來講是不足的日本它有所謂的七種語言的服務比如說英語、中文、韓文、泰文、越南文、法文跟日本至少它有東南亞語可是我們台灣的這個語種尤其是我們"},{"start":10567.023,"end":10595.354,"text":"而隸屬於我們旅遊局的這部分他覺得我們的語種真的是比較少那再來呢,下一頁我們再來看看比如說我們到了這個頁面來看比如說我要搜尋向商我們到向商旅遊中心,我們來看的話我們的服務設施裡面全部都是中文可是你看日本的部分,他進去他介面是英文那你可以看到一般上遊客他對英文可能還是比較能夠了解可是中文可能很多人看不懂"},{"start":10595.834,"end":10600.795,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中"},{"start":10626.649,"end":10650.627,"text":"部長你了解我的意思嗎?我們做多國語言的這個部分好像做得不是很徹底你應該介面上面就是英文嘛,不是嗎?是這個部分的話可能要請部長這邊跟我們的相關單位來提醒一下多國語言的部分我們還是必須要製造一個友善的旅遊環境,不是嗎?這沒問題,我覺得我們現在發展觀光,國際觀光科很多元"},{"start":10651.848,"end":10675.249,"text":"包括語言不夠或是說剛剛談到的這個剛剛進去要點這個案件都不知道怎麼點所以我想這部分很謝謝委員的指教要不然他們我們一般會用自己的想法說點這個但是看不懂對就是沒有站在這個外國旅客的角度來看他說有啊我有外語服務啊喔你是這外語服務你還必須知道這外語服務這四個字是什麼意思啊"},{"start":10676.43,"end":10698.088,"text":"這個部分可能就是...我等一下趕快來改...對對對,因為這是外國朋友在反映的一些問題他說台灣對穆斯林的這部分還蠻友善的就是東南亞很多這個穆斯林朋友可是他們真的是真的看不懂一些中文他說我進去點,然後點出來竟然是這個樣子我怎麼知道哪個是我需要的服務呢好,我們馬上來改善"},{"start":10698.729,"end":10700.312,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中"},{"start":10712.149,"end":10727.099,"text":"因為我們觀光局所轄的這個中心裏面有三個漁種的這個旅遊服務中心它只有一個一到兩個都有56個那甚至有五個是沒有外語服務的可是我們看日本日本有三個漁種以上的這個旅遊服務中心它有50個那一到兩個的這個漁種其實有超過1000個"},{"start":10731.127,"end":10758.708,"text":"那我們再來看看我們各旅遊中心提供的這個外語服務的語言分類有什麼我們6個服務中心62個服務中心大部分都是提供英語的服務然後再來就是日文那再來就是韓語只有一個地方有提供那西班牙也只有其中一個服務中心有提供然後未提供的其實就是有5個完全都沒有所以在語種方面的話我們真的是要請觀光局這邊正式要來做加強好我請他一併來檢討是"},{"start":10759.889,"end":10760.775,"text":"好,以上謝謝,謝謝部長"},{"start":10764.592,"end":10787.964,"text":"謝謝部長部長剛剛羅昭偉提的這個是很重要的因為我們已經觀光局已經升格為觀光署可是我們的很多我們很多英文的網站我說實在我看的都蠻丟臉的那個是變成我罐頭做它I 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it我罐頭做它那種就是機械式的翻譯那個實在是不太好看這一定要費心一下好不好謝謝"},{"start":10791.938,"end":10807.605,"text":"當屆發言委員除不在場者外﹐其餘均已發言完畢﹐詢答結束﹐委員李德維、陳婉慧、林文瑞、陳玉珍、伍綠華、王美慧所提書面質詢列入記錄﹐刊登公報。書面質詢即"},{"start":10810.666,"end":10831.072,"text":"未及答覆部分,請相關單位於一周內以書面答覆並複製本會。詢答結束,請今天專題報告的與會員員可以先行離席。謝謝交通部王部長,謝謝您。我們現在休息五分鐘,休息後繼續開會審查預算。"},{"start":11231.239,"end":11253.492,"text":"來,謝謝我們繼續開會我先把我剛剛那個質詢有關於那個警大的體系館跟操場的請你們先提計劃因為最快的可能當然是希望在113年的預備金但是你們還是要有計劃好嗎那個到時候部長看看能不能幫你們去爭取預備金否則的話就是要"},{"start":11254.692,"end":11263.938,"text":"提1億4年的但是這個漏水的問題還有那個操場的問題都攸關學生的安全所以都請你們盡快提計劃"},{"start":11274.54,"end":11294.839,"text":"我們內政委員會會在院長預算協商後再補題這個我們現在進行預算處理繼續審查討論事項第一案至第四案請宣讀預算書及委員提案宣讀完畢後再進行協商"},{"start":11297.091,"end":11310.155,"text":"113年度警政署及所屬稅務預算第二款罰款及平衡收入第64項警政署及所屬1192萬元第一幕罰金罰款及貸金2萬2千元第二幕賠償收入1189萬8千元第三款規費收入第56項警政署及所屬941萬4千元第一幕行政規費收入556萬元第二幕使用規費收入350"},{"start":11326.34,"end":11346.113,"text":"三百八十五萬四千元,第四款財產收入第七十八項,警政署及所屬七百四十九萬一千元,第一幕財產支息兩百七十一萬三千元,第二幕費救物資售價四百七十七萬八千元,第七款其他收入第七十七項,警政署及所屬三千九百八十六萬四千元。"},{"start":11348.051,"end":11357.237,"text":"113年度警政署及所屬稅出預算第七款內政部主管第三項警政署及所屬257億4701萬8千元第一幕一般行政187億2320萬8千元第二幕警政業務13億4837萬8千元第三幕警務管理4億2923萬9千元第四幕保安警察業務6億1846萬2千元第五幕國道警察業務3億2736萬8千元"},{"start":11377.092,"end":11385.617,"text":"第六目,刑事警察業務,14億4635萬6千元。第七目,初級警察業務,17億8770億萬元。第八目,一般建築及設備,10億1929萬7千元。第九目,第一預備金,4700萬元。113年度中央警察大學稅入預算,第二款罰款及賠償收入,第65項中央警察大學"},{"start":11401.954,"end":11402.955,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中"},{"start":11423.867,"end":11436.344,"text":"155萬4千元,第二幕附近物資售價23萬9千元,第七款其他收入,第78項中央警察大學987萬9千元,第一幕學杂費收入949萬1千元,第二幕雜項收入38萬3千元,"},{"start":11441.249,"end":11452.615,"text":"113年度中央警察大學稅出預算第七款內政部主管第四項中央警察大學12億1895萬6千元第一幕一般行政6億1643萬元第二幕高級警察教育6億106萬7千元第三幕第一預備金145萬9千元113年度消防署及所屬稅入預算第二款罰款及平衡收入第66項消防署及所屬50萬元第一幕罰"},{"start":11469.322,"end":11482.418,"text":"金、房、還及貸金五列數,第二目賠償收入50萬元,第三款規費收入第58項,消防署及所屬,5631萬1千元,第一目行政規費收入5631萬1千元,"},{"start":11484.96,"end":11488.203,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中"},{"start":11502.573,"end":11510.798,"text":"113年度消防組及所屬稅出預算第七款內政部主管第五項消防組及所屬29億7,975萬元第一幕一般行政9億1,492萬5千元第二幕消防救災業務19億5,938萬7千元"},{"start":11519.184,"end":11531.487,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中第三目港務消防業務﹐898萬4千元﹐第四目特種搜救業務﹐9301萬4千元﹐第五目一般建築及設備﹐182萬元﹐第六目地域背景﹐162萬元﹐113年度移民署稅務預算﹐第二款罰款及賠償收入﹐第68項移民署﹐"},{"start":11542.079,"end":11558.106,"text":"一千九百七十四萬八千元,第一目法金房盤及貸金三億一千七百二十一萬四千元,第二目沒入及沒收財務兩百二十萬元,第三目培養收入三十三萬四千元,第三款規備收入第六十項"},{"start":11558.846,"end":11573.689,"text":"移民署19億8743萬4千元,第一幕行政歸非收入19億8742萬2千元,第二幕使用歸非收入1萬2千元,第四款財產收入第82項移民署312萬1千元,第七款其他收入第81項移民署175萬6千元,"},{"start":11584.383,"end":11594.047,"text":"113年度移民署稅出預算第七款內政部主管第七項移民署51億7788萬1千元第一幕一般行政35億3491萬8千元第二幕入屬國籍移民管理業務16億2618萬3千元第三幕一般建築及設備1478萬元第四幕第一預備金200萬元"},{"start":11608.636,"end":11614.145,"text":"113年度空中勤務總隊稅入預算第二款罰款及賠償收入第69項空中勤務總隊400萬元第四款財產收入第84項空中勤務總隊724000元"},{"start":11622.472,"end":11631.417,"text":"第7款其他收入第83項空中勤務總隊293,000元113年度空中勤務總隊稅出預算第7款內政部主管第9項空中勤務總隊18億5198,000元第一幕一般行政4億9,037萬2千元第二幕空中勤務業務13億1,382萬6千元第三幕一般建築及設備五列事務第四幕第一預備金100萬元"},{"start":11649.528,"end":11666.113,"text":"特別收入基金內政部主管、新住民發展基金附屬單位預算一、業務計劃部分因依據基金來源與用途審查結果順通調整二、基金來源用途及預測部分基金來源4億330萬元基金用途4億2388萬6千元"},{"start":11669.294,"end":11687.304,"text":"本期短促2,058.6萬元、接繳公庫及補辦預算均無劣數、特別收入接近內政部主管、警察、消防、海巡、移民、空情人員及諧星民力安全基金附屬單位預算。義務計劃部分依依據基金來源與用途審查結果隨通調整。"},{"start":11688.044,"end":11706.862,"text":"基金來源、用途及預測部分基金來源456萬4千元、基金用途1531萬3千元本基短促1074萬9千元補繳、截料供、戶籍、補辦預算部分均無劣數內政部主管在校學生、獎學、基金、附屬單位預算"},{"start":11708.944,"end":11728.841,"text":"業務計畫部分依依據收支預測撥補等項是審查結果隨同調整。二、總收入總支出預測部分,總收入103,000元,總支出99,000元,本金剩餘4,000元,經過基金內政部主管、成員獎學基金附屬單位預算。業務工作部分依依據收支預測"},{"start":11730.969,"end":11756.783,"text":"撥補等向知審查結果隨同調整總收入總支出餘出部分總收入324,000元總支出508,000元本期短促184,000元信託基金、內政部主管、劉如生先生警察資歷、獎學基金附屬單位預算業務計劃部分依依據收支餘出撥補等向知審查結果隨同調整二、總收入總支出餘出部分總收入45,000元總支出48,000元本期短促3,000元"},{"start":11761.485,"end":11775.443,"text":"內政部主管財團法人、臺灣省義勇人員安全系駐基金會113年度預算工作計畫部分因依據收入與支出審查結果隨同調整。二、總收入總支出及預促部分總收入282萬6千元總支出552萬4千元本期短促269萬8千元"},{"start":11781.178,"end":11793.551,"text":"內政部主管、財團法人、警察、學術研究基金會113年度預算工作計劃部分因依據收入與支出審查結果隨通調整。二、總收入總支出及預出部分總收入318萬元、總支出300萬元本期剩餘18萬元。"},{"start":11797.373,"end":11811.038,"text":"內政部主管財團法人易勇消防人員安全借助基金會113年度預算工作計劃部分依依據收入與支出審查結果隨從調整。二、總收入總支出及預儲部分總收入2476,000元總支出202萬1千元本期剩餘45萬5千元。繼續宣讀提案。警政署及所屬單位預算"},{"start":11823.24,"end":11845.376,"text":"提案。稅務部分委員無相關提案。稅出部分第一幕一般行政公計五案為第一案至第五案。請務員參閱。第二幕警政業務公計十九案為第六案至第二十四案。請務員參閱。第三幕警務管理公計兩案為第25至26案。請務員參閱。第四幕保安警察業務公計三案為27至29案。請務員參閱。第五幕國道警察業務"},{"start":11851.58,"end":11876.094,"text":"共計兩案為30到31案請委員參閱。第六目,刑事警察業務共計12案為32至第43案請委員參閱。第七目,初級警察教育為只有一案為第44案請委員參閱。第八目,一般建築及設備計議案為第45案請委員參閱。第九目,地域內經委務相關提案主決議部分為"},{"start":11878.697,"end":11906.118,"text":"共計21案為第46至66案,請委員參閱。中央警察大學提案稅入部分委員無相關提案稅出部分第一幕一般行政委員無相關提案第二幕高階警察業務高階警察教育一案為張宏慧委員提案,請委員參閱。第三幕第一日備金委員無相關提案主決議部分共計三案為第二案至第四案,請委員參閱。"},{"start":11908.382,"end":11936.648,"text":"消防組及所屬提案,稅務部分為5相關提案,稅出部分第一目及四案為第1至第4案,請勿以參閱。第二目,消防救災業務共計17案為第5案至第21案,請勿以參閱。第三目,港務消防業務1案為第22案,請勿以參閱。第四目,特種搜救業務1案為第23案,請勿以參閱。第五目,一般建築及設備及第6目地域備金均為相關提案。"},{"start":11937.728,"end":11940.57,"text":"主決議部分共計時8案為第24至第41案請委員參閱。移民署單位提案彙整表"},{"start":11950.454,"end":11970.09,"text":"稅務部分委員會相關提案、稅出部分、一般行政共計4案為第1案至第4案請委員參閱。第二幕,輸入國際移民管理業務共計13案為第5案至第17案請委員參閱。第三幕,一般建築及設備及第4幕第一預備經營委員會相關提案。主決議部分共計6案為第18案至第23案請委員參閱。公正勤務總隊"},{"start":11974.318,"end":11993.55,"text":"提案彙整表,稅務部份為無相關提案,稅務部份第一幕一般行政委員無相關提案,第二幕公眾勤務業務共計四案為第一案之第四案,請委員參閱。第三幕一般建築及設備及第四幕第一預備金委員均無相關提案,主決議部份計兩案為第五案之第六案,請委員參閱。"},{"start":11995.586,"end":12010.135,"text":"新住民發展基金附屬單位預算提案部分,基金來源為無相關提案,基金用途為有一案,請委員參閱。主決議部分,共計四案為第二案次第五案,請委員參閱。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":12017.864,"end":12025.492,"text":"本次會議議程所列有關處理113年度之預算統一作以下三點宣告一、有關各位委員之提案為時討論聚焦"},{"start":12028.927,"end":12056.139,"text":"一、預算科目編排稅務部分引向為單位稅出部分原例處理到目之科目為原則提案委員如有提出凍結相關預算者出有委員特別聲明意義外解凍條件均因例改為向本委員會提出書面報告後使得凍之處理預算提案時如提案委員不在場一、召委會議共事該提案不再處理"},{"start":12057.379,"end":12074.458,"text":"違如該案與協商前相關部會已跟提案委員完成溝通將書面送至本委員會及該溝通結果處理以上宣告請問在場委員有無異議?好,通過那我們現在開始進行協商"},{"start":12107.642,"end":12120.801,"text":"不過在協商之前我還是請部長還有會計長可以幫我們一個忙因為可能事先要先跟主計長那邊說明一下我們警消機關警消移民機關其實"},{"start":12124.185,"end":12145.442,"text":"預算都非常少,大部分都是人事費所以他們每次捅刪,尤其像還有警大這些機關每次那個行政費用捅刪的時候都造成他們非常困難那這一部分,到時候是不是部長可以去爭取一下這幾年主義總署沒有通餐,這個需求沒有通餐,確定沒有"},{"start":12150.66,"end":12156.189,"text":"通商5%的那個昨天我去考察警大的是不是"},{"start":12165.548,"end":12194.17,"text":"那個立法委員有在通山的部分齁那個隔一個年度他也會把那個錢還回來確定從去年開始因為昨天我請那個警大給我試算齁他說照去年的通山的這個比例的話他們明年預算要少要1400多萬齁我覺得這個對於你可能對於速發部來講齁那個只是他的領角的領角但是對於警察大學他們整個第二預備金只不過是100多萬而已齁"},{"start":12195.331,"end":12220.396,"text":"第一例背景,第一例背景只有100多案而已,非常非常辛苦所以我的建議,因為我是昨天到警大這邊,他們提醒之後我才覺得因為警察機關也是如此,所以就是請會計長幫我們幫我們跟主計總處這個先提醒一下,我當然在這個院長協商的時候,我也會去我也會去喊啦,不過我覺得這個事情,因為我們"},{"start":12221.896,"end":12245.524,"text":"難得碰到一個史上最捍衛警消權益的部長我覺得我這麼提我知道部長應該完全了解我在講些什麼這種各部會統聲你像速發部、交通部可能都還比較容易對我們警消這種勤務機關和移民這些都很困難好不好先放下去來我們現在開始"},{"start":12260.17,"end":12275.696,"text":"113年度中央政府總預算案有關警政署及所屬及所屬單位預算協商警政署及所屬單位預算稅務部分委員無相關提案預算造列"},{"start":12277.239,"end":12302.318,"text":"最初部分第一幕第二、三、五案已經改了主決議張宏祿委員不在所以不凍結、不處理好不好我本來就是主決議等一下,我要先說明一下我第一案"},{"start":12308.199,"end":12312.781,"text":"警察特考改革案,改組決議。"},{"start":12339.643,"end":12347.371,"text":"第1目一般行政第4案不處理第1、2、3、5案改組決議"},{"start":12350.472,"end":12379.385,"text":"第二幕但是我還是希望我們警政署對於因為我這裡面所提的幾個主決議包括對於我們那個退伍的那個就是他們入伍的年資的計算還有這個特考的改革以及我們那個聯作制度的聯作制度是在下一個下一個再講"},{"start":12380.345,"end":12383.228,"text":"第16案、第7案、第8案、第13案、第14案、第20至22案、第24案改組決議"},{"start":12402.026,"end":12406.67,"text":"以改組決議。無立法委員都已經改組決議。"},{"start":12420.581,"end":12447.373,"text":"謝謝主席本期在這個節目是10、11、12、3案那其實這3案都有一些共同點之前其實在巡查的時候我有跟部長還有署長這邊有講到過就是說像我們第10案的部分也是本班自己有接到民眾的投訴那因為保護當事人個資所以這個公開場合不多說不過其實比較相關的細節我們其實事前也有跟警政署這邊有去溝通過"},{"start":12449.094,"end":12470.508,"text":"那我覺得第一個就是說因為其實我們現在時代不斷的是在演進那這個價值觀也是不斷的在閃遞尤其是這個針對性傾向、人權、保障等等的所以我覺得這個部分的話我還是希望就是說可以看到我們所裡針對比如說我們針對基層的員警因為畢竟基層員警就是會第一線遇到民眾的人"},{"start":12472.309,"end":12487.222,"text":"對於這種LGBT等多元性別的要怎麼去應該要有一個正確的應對態度或正確的觀念這個部分我還是希望可以看到署理來報告一下有書面報告說要怎麼去做這件事情"},{"start":12487.842,"end":12515.077,"text":"那第11案其實也是類似的狀況啦就是說因為大家也知道說像我們有關這個賀子興私命相外流的法規也都是在我們這一階通過的所以其實有不少的警察同仁可能自己都不熟悉說我們如果今天受害者來求助的話我第一線到底可以有什麼樣的東西去什麼樣的這個工具去讓受害者可以來使用那像我們就有遇到就是個案被遇到說"},{"start":12516.218,"end":12534.999,"text":"不知道、不會相關的技術或者是說他遇到的狀況這個網站是架設在國外可是其實我們現在的這個法規範裡面還有管道上面是有辦法去協助他們下架的所以這個部分也是一樣我希望警政署可以跟我報告說針對這個部分我們員警職員的訓練到底要如何去警警"},{"start":12535.68,"end":12560.449,"text":"那第12案其實也是一樣的狀況就是說跟少法也是在22年6月的時候才實施的那我自己看到說有蠻多這個第一線的員警對於法規尤其是這個性與性別的要件解釋上面是相對的比較限縮的那導致就是說民眾第一線即時需要協助的時候可能沒有得到妥善的協助跟處置"},{"start":12561.349,"end":12579.849,"text":"所以當然新法規上路會有了解的作業期但是我覺得這個東西其實也實施了一陣子那實務上還是有出現這種認知錯誤的狀況那也是一樣我覺得教育上要再加強所以這三案的話今兒我不堅持但我希望可以就是凍結那要如何去凍結也許等一下可以討論一起來討論"},{"start":12582.472,"end":12583.893,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案"},{"start":12608.013,"end":12624.748,"text":"但是這個金額上面我是這個案子基本上大概警政署的案子我很多都改成主決案只有這個案子我不願意改的原因是因為我覺得我們警察的行政責任制度應該要合理化"},{"start":12625.208,"end":12634.494,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中"},{"start":12643.059,"end":12662.857,"text":"實在是不應該啦除非你證明他真的跟那個長官是有責任的我覺得沒有道理是一個警員出事一直往上拉那像現在我們最近常常看到有一些弊端、弊案出來我們是不是要上綱到什麼院長或者總統這個是沒有道理的就讓各自行為人自己負責所以這部分"},{"start":12668.782,"end":12671.223,"text":"警署及所屬、中警署及所屬、中警署及所屬"},{"start":12692.079,"end":12693.22,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中"},{"start":12716.238,"end":12720.983,"text":"15至18、23案委員提案合併處理並案凍結30萬元,向本會提出書面報告後,使得動之。"},{"start":12732.698,"end":12758.873,"text":"現在處理第三幕警務管理張宏立委員不處理第二十五案不處理第二十六案測案預算照列第三幕警務管理第二十五案不處理第二十六案測案預算照列第四幕保安警察業務"},{"start":12763.978,"end":12786.03,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中二十七案、二十九案改組決議、二十八案不處理五、國道警察業務、三十案不處理、三十一案改組決議、六、刑事警察業務、"},{"start":12789.684,"end":12814.21,"text":"第三十八案、三十九案、四十案、四十二案、測案第三十二案、三十三案、三十四案、三十七案、四十一案、四十三案改組決議。黃士傑委員的。黃士傑委員,這樣啦,這個刑事警察也有支持啦,但是這個凍結20萬好不好?書面,可以嗎?"},{"start":12818.482,"end":12826.305,"text":"二十萬,好不好?可以嗎?那個刑事局?刑事局?還是要改組決議?改組決議,好不好?就只剩二案了,因為那個紅路的已經沒有處理了。改組決議,好不好?好,來!"},{"start":12840.933,"end":12843.836,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中"},{"start":12867.073,"end":12891.834,"text":"初級警察教育第44案不處理第8目一般建築及設備第45案不處理第9目第一預備金委員無相關提案預算照列主決議全部都已經溝通好了"},{"start":12898.925,"end":12924.125,"text":"那個我的主決議因為我這次警政的部分我就只有提主決議然後我們是53到56我有做一個文字修正我只是想要確定一下因為53、54、55、56我有請我們警政大會要提這個書面報告是一個月那53、55、56你們是希望改成一個月可是54案你們是可以維持一個月嗎是不是這個沒有改"},{"start":12924.525,"end":12941.086,"text":"一民只有修了一個,你們的文字修正只有把那個條規168改成169,你們應該是要改169可是那個提書面報告,你們一個月OK是不是?因為文字修正裡面,535、565都有修"},{"start":12942.932,"end":12943.052,"text":"三個月。"},{"start":12961.701,"end":12989.375,"text":"不,好啦,署長說,署長說還是三個月,OK,這沒有問題啦,OK那還有52案,雖然說是詐騙通貨,我還是要強調一下就是說其實我跟這個由易燃專委都很關心就是我們警方的這個警察的這個業務量真的非常的繁重就高達186項,就是說就算叫到環保局要稽查環境也要有警察在旁邊支援監理站做交通、交通稽查也要有警察那像這個跟警察無關的一些比較無關的這個相關的這個業務跟法條"},{"start":12991.576,"end":13010.986,"text":"可能大家要來爭執,我看要怎麼來修這個部分。當然我是提出這個主角,因為這樣讓警察的這個權利又可以正常化跟法治化。OK,好,以上謝謝。我還沒有宣告之前,我要先講一下,我們這次是史上空前的,"},{"start":13011.986,"end":13036.494,"text":"全部只給你動30萬元而已但是我希望每一個人都要記得我所提醒的各位的事情我還是很關心的就是不管是剛剛的我們對於警察人權的重視也謝謝部長也常常支持我對於我們警察人權保障以及包括我們現在寶二在調訓的期間有很多同仁對於他們相關的權益請假"},{"start":13041.215,"end":13061.573,"text":"我們對於同仁的訊息提供真的是不夠不夠及時不夠周延以至於包括到現在還有很多現職同仁會來問我他們在113年或114年退休之後他們的什麼扣帕啦各種的問題我覺得人事"},{"start":13064.015,"end":13084.553,"text":"記得我們是要做服務一定要把這些訊息要讓他們不要有太多後顧之憂好不好然後另外也就是剛剛我們在講的對於我們警察同仁的身心的照顧要隨時提醒他們然後給他們最最好的一個支援一定要"},{"start":13085.874,"end":13097.436,"text":"很難得我們大家做這些努力紅綠委員你來了可是已經被我們做掉了沒關係啦我主決議第47、53至56、59、63、66案文字修正文字通過第46、48至52、57、58、60至62案、64、65案照案通過"},{"start":13114.079,"end":13115.5,"text":"我們現在處理消防署及所屬單位的預算"},{"start":13145.308,"end":13151.993,"text":"你們現在馬上就要走了嗎?還沒有做最後的確認等一下我們說不定張宏祐委員要翻"},{"start":13161.795,"end":13188.086,"text":"消防署及所屬單位預算稅務部分委員無相關提案預算照列稅出部分第一幕一般行政第一案、第二案改組決議第三案只是等一下"},{"start":13189.83,"end":13193.215,"text":"我為什麼一定要凍結我看一下因為"},{"start":13202.497,"end":13227.394,"text":"來那個我的那個第三案我的助理跟我說了是因為我們對於消防同仁因為是那個打火弟兄們有跟我反映說他們這個就是公保跟警察員員的慰問金裡面那在這裡面對於我們打火弟兄的這個特殊的比如說燙傷的這部分並沒有納入那個慰問"},{"start":13230.356,"end":13257.71,"text":"的項目大部分的這些慰問金很多都是仰賴我們的募款對外的募款法定給付不足所以我是希望希望能夠你們有這樣的一個凍結案讓你們有個壓力可以去逼使這個人事總處跟權序部這些單位可以給你們一些就是把"},{"start":13259.47,"end":13287.098,"text":"燙傷的慰問也放進去十萬元有困難嗎?有沒有困難?跟召委報告一下受傷同仁的慰問我們在第一時間都馬上做都已經馬上做像這次屏東的事件我們第一時間就陪同部長到屏東去那慰問已經馬上就到位這沒有現在運作上沒有問題那當總額花了好像第一時間就花了八十幾萬馬上投注進去"},{"start":13287.958,"end":13314.819,"text":"當然後續對通行照顧包括現在我們還是在追蹤那只要公保沒辦法處理的部分目前我們在信託基金跟消防發展基金會這邊會做這方面的審查這個基金還是主要都是靠募款來的嗎?還是公務的預算?我們捐助的部分都是用捐助的嗎?這個額度現在目前我來聽一下那個張文睦委員你對於你的案子第四案"},{"start":13316.533,"end":13327.824,"text":"你是凍結10萬的對啊我看啦,看主席你要怎麼樣啦,不然我們兩個就合併凍10萬順便報告就合併凍10萬啦,可以嗎本木合併凍10萬併凍10萬可以嗎"},{"start":13335.868,"end":13336.148,"text":"有沒有困難?"},{"start":13348.962,"end":13366.018,"text":"來,第一幕一般行政,第一、二案改組決議,第三、四案委員提案合併處理,並案凍結10萬,向本會提出書面報告後,使得動之。第二幕消防救災業務,第5至12、17至21案改組決議,"},{"start":13372.637,"end":13378.319,"text":"5、5、5、5、5、5、5、5、5、"},{"start":13380.934,"end":13404.425,"text":"那個品瑜先講好了品瑜再講謝謝主席本席這一幕是第16案那因為我們公服法在2020年3月修正事情之後全國沒有登記的工廠跟特定工廠都要開始納管然後也要加強後續消防安檢的工作那目前這個消防署事前"},{"start":13405.606,"end":13422.863,"text":"跟我們這邊說明溝通的資料有說到說全國納管工廠及特定工廠架數總共是39358架那到9月為止有剩大概6700多架還沒盤點完所以大概就還有17%左右那"},{"start":13424.059,"end":13452.121,"text":"比起這個政院2022年9月合定的計存工廠活摘安全管理經濟對策推動方案設定的2024目標70%的進度是有達標可是我還是希望就是說還是要盡快去做完這件事情所以這個部分的話我會希望說凍結一點數額但是數目不堅持那其實就是針對剩下這個還沒有完成盤點的數量那就是說希望也希望消防署這邊可以聯繫各地的消防機關去訂這個"},{"start":13453.342,"end":13461.648,"text":"事故處理機制的進度,提供書面報告給內政委員會委員參考我這樣建議,我們是不是整目,有委員提到凍結的話,我們就整目來做處理"},{"start":13476.579,"end":13476.899,"text":"整目並動10萬﹗"},{"start":13497.831,"end":13519.321,"text":"二、消防救災業務第5至12、17至21案改組決議．第13至16案委員提案合併處理．並按凍結10萬元向本會提出書面報告後．使得動之。三、港務消防業務．只有張二路委員．"},{"start":13521.612,"end":13528.614,"text":"第23案改組決議第5目一般建築及設備第4目港務消防業務第23案改組決議第4目特種搜救業務"},{"start":13554.061,"end":13565.832,"text":"第3目港務消防業務第22案改組決議第4目23案是不是比照改組決議"},{"start":13568.755,"end":13592.634,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中二十六、二十八、三十三、四十、四十一案、修正文字通過二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中二十六、二十八、三十三、四十、四十一案、修正文字通過二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中"},{"start":13605.003,"end":13606.804,"text":"有關移民署單位預算協商"},{"start":13626.302,"end":13638.587,"text":"稅務部分委員無相關提案預算照列稅出部分依目一般行政第二案、第三案改組決議"},{"start":13648.736,"end":13651.478,"text":"我對這一點很抱歉,我不是不想改組決議"},{"start":13666.188,"end":13689.828,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":13695.032,"end":13717.341,"text":"第一目一般行政,第一案不處理,第二、三案改組決議,第四案委員提案,凍結10萬元,向本會提出書面報告後,使得動之。第二目,誤出國籍移民管理業務,第五、六、十一至十七案改組決議,"},{"start":13721.877,"end":13747.872,"text":"那個紅綠這個賴委員你的第10案第一賴委員謝謝謝謝主席本席在這一幕是在第10案那這個部分是這樣子啊因為其實移民署應該也知道說本席是非常非常關心各自治安還有各自外洩的事情那移民署這邊確實有給我一些資料參考又來辦公室說明過那從"},{"start":13749.393,"end":13775.18,"text":"資料裡面我也同意就是說移民署在強化資安軟體的軟硬體上面確實有比過去努力不過有一個問題就是說我覺得都沒有回答到的是我因為我更關心的其實是這個資安事件如果發生的話到底要怎麼去通知這個當事人的程序就是說雖然你們有說你們內部程序比個資法規定嚴謹可是在你們給的資料裡面有些部分我覺得比較模糊的是"},{"start":13777.061,"end":13791.717,"text":"寫說如果涉及當事人權益受損的時候會在查明真相後以適當的方式去告知當事人也就是說其實在你們資料裡有幾個點我沒有看到你們說明會怎麼處理第一個就是通知這個當事人的時間點是什麼"},{"start":13793.038,"end":13816.36,"text":"因為你們只有寫說是查明或通知但沒有說譬如說查明的時間是多久那如果今天你隔了很久才通知的話能不能去達到這個保護當事人的目的是真的是非常有討論的空間因為大家都知道各自外洩其實有一個很重要的那個保護的一個要點就是說那個時間有時效性那第二個就是說你們也沒有說通知當事人的內容是什麼"},{"start":13816.98,"end":13846.64,"text":"如果今天通知的內容只有各自外泄的事實跟採取的因應措施卻沒有告訴那個當事人說你外泄個資是什麼樣的個資什麼樣的數量或是說相關矯正預防的做法這種具體的資訊的話我覺得其實對於這個一般的當事人來說民眾怎麼會知道他到底要怎麼去處理這件事情那第三個就是說你通知當事人的這個前提是什麼因為個資法的規定是違反本法規定導致個資被竊取等等會通知當事人"},{"start":13847.16,"end":13867.336,"text":"所以實務上會遇到一些行政部門認為在不違反各執法的前提下因為已經有採行適當安全措施可能是資料被植入二一程式或是被入侵而外洩的話因為沒有涉及各執法裡面說到這個過失的問題也就沒有違反本法規定的問題所以他會決定說不通知當事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