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我來建議大家看同不同意第一個我們來處理中華郵政第二個國道基金第三個台鐵公司第四個台鐵債務管理基金第五個鐵道基金好不好好那中華郵政先來"},{"start":2613.257,"end":2632.445,"text":"中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。四、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分有限交通部主管中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。五、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分有限公司營業預算。六、繼續審查113年度中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。七、繼續審查113年度中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。八、繼續審查113年度中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。"},{"start":2633.485,"end":2652.123,"text":"引領傢俱並移居營業收入。謝主席,北極提第一案是我們明年度2024年的中華郵政公司的其他營業收入。其子的內容主要就是挨郵購的收入還有其他代收包裹稅款等等。"},{"start":2653.504,"end":2672.571,"text":"這筆收入其實在去年就是去年之前的三年2020年到2021、2022它的質詢率都超過百分之一百分別為百分之一百一、一百一十四、百分之一百零六那其中IEOC的收入在2020到2022每一年它都固定編兩千三百五十萬"},{"start":2673.351,"end":2675.373,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":2696.468,"end":2698.03,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":2712.222,"end":2734.673,"text":"我個人的看法,我剛好跟林俊鑫,不好意思,我剛跟他相反我認為這個IoGo的收入是我存疑那因為我所了解IoGo的執行的這個大增速不是這麼高是你們社會的目標太低了才大增率那麼高實際上執行情形不是很好"},{"start":2735.814,"end":2738.937,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":2756.031,"end":2757.212,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":2773.248,"end":2790.601,"text":"所以這一點我覺得說我沒有建議說我不是建議說要登列預算我是要求這個是實際上去核實去瞭解這個案子執行的情況作為一個報告在做預算上處理謝謝好接下來黃文凱羅議員"},{"start":2792.762,"end":2794.883,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":2810.212,"end":2813.574,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":2839.208,"end":2840.429,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":2859.228,"end":2884.943,"text":"我覺得這樣子反而會本末倒置,你可以理解我意思嗎?就是說,對於我們來講,我們當然是希望愛郵購能夠推廣更好,能夠發揮我們中華郵政的優勢,我們的據點多,我們的郵務同仁非常辛苦遞現,可是不要說讓他們變成是說白忙一場,而且業務太繁雜,然後還有就是變成都是要變成政府部門消化,或是說政府部門賣不出去的,沒有辦法消的,"},{"start":2885.203,"end":2886.024,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":2908.597,"end":2912.359,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":2924.486,"end":2926.868,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":2947.543,"end":2948.724,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":2963.814,"end":2965.655,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":2988.587,"end":2993.673,"text":"我覺得這個是可以逐項來分析討論請董事長跟總經理針對這個郵購、愛郵購的部分能夠核實然後能夠針對每個細項做個討論做個調查陳交通委員"},{"start":3005.265,"end":3012.989,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案"},{"start":3028.596,"end":3032.001,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3045.72,"end":3048.421,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3072.472,"end":3073.173,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3097.875,"end":3098.616,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3122.157,"end":3125.118,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3137.902,"end":3140.245,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3155.666,"end":3171.913,"text":"所以我們有時候跟農委會做聯合推薦譬如講說到現在有將近1000項的品項就是讓這些有有機認證或者是生產履歷優質的農產品能夠在我們的IoGo這邊來做銷售平台"},{"start":3172.293,"end":3173.274,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3191.773,"end":3193.694,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3221.388,"end":3223.208,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3246.713,"end":3249.275,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3273.075,"end":3276.338,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3300.999,"end":3301.76,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3322.642,"end":3327.705,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3350.178,"end":3350.639,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3366.676,"end":3368.417,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":3393.453,"end":3405.487,"text":"一百一十一、一百一十二、一百一十三到明年你每年都固定編兩千三百五十萬為什麼?那有人公司編收入項目因為連續四年你都不會成長嗎?"},{"start":3409.13,"end":3429.299,"text":"但是你實際都超過啦,你都收到100分之100幾嘛,我會覺得你預算編的是不是要核實嘛那一般公司都會對收入項目一定是每年會編測自己會有一些成長對不對,然後就自己都一層原地踏步,連續四五年都編同一個數字所以,來總經理你解釋一下"},{"start":3435.901,"end":3457.906,"text":"來 謝謝您委員 我覺得剛剛您委員提的很有道理這個整個維護的成長 正常的成長是很重要所以剛剛委員提到說 要這個增熱500萬這個當然我們如果認真做 也許做得到 但是也許這邊有壓力那300萬次 300萬我接受啦主席我接受 我只跟你說你平均收入5人 當年都平均連算5張對啊 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顯示系統等等以及相關的這一些整體的一個檢討必須要做出來"},{"start":9411.935,"end":9434.517,"text":"這才是去降低事故的一個最主要的一個做法那第二是有關於我要請教趙局長相關的高壓電塔會橫跨我們的高速公路或是臨近我們的高速公路雖然沒有橫跨但是就在我們的旁邊這樣到底有多少個"},{"start":9435.718,"end":9461.598,"text":"因為有時候它並不是因為施工會造成這些電纜的脫落有時候強風或是其他的因素這個到底有幾個有沒有做相關的這些防範跟檢討措施不一定施工才會出問題啦有時候電纜、電線相關的其他的氣候的這些因素會造成這種電纜的脫落那都很嚴重的,國際公路理想用"},{"start":9464.72,"end":9482.218,"text":"一條線都來,那是很大的一個電纜跟委員報告就是說我們在這個整個事故的防治部分我們就是說A1的部分我們會來讓它減少但是那個A3的部分那種財損有時候小碰撞是難免"},{"start":9482.758,"end":9484.4,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":9509.922,"end":9529.088,"text":"有100處是橫跨高速公路的這種高壓電塔所牽連的這些電纜我們會來跟台電來跟他協調防患的措施必須要做好基本上他跨過去的幾乎是高壓電高壓電的耐受力應該是比較足夠但是我們還是要求他來做一個確保"},{"start":9529.788,"end":9550.948,"text":"以防萬一啊,你要有一個預防機制跟防範跟還有那個緊急措施啊主席,因為我看這個高工局的回覆是說他這個不是在國道入權範圍內嘛所以他也不需要通報他有跨過,他實際上已經跨過國道了是啊"},{"start":9552.89,"end":9571.449,"text":"所以你說你要檢討法規所定的這個施工需申請範圍除了入權範圍內也臨近周邊的地點也應該一併納入那個是媒體寫的我們這個部分他已經跨過國道他一定要依法要申請所以他一定要申請但是他卻沒申請哇賽那這個很嚴重啊那你的處罰我看這個處罰是三萬到"},{"start":9575.393,"end":9578.055,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":9603.889,"end":9607.572,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算二、繼續審查113年度中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算"},{"start":9627.403,"end":9646.977,"text":"那這個應該也要去檢討說其他的工程有沒有類似這樣的狀況那你要有個對策針對其他的這個會去干擾到你的這個國道的這個會發生潛在危險的這個這個國營事業或是這些公司那是不是能夠確實的遵守安全的規定"},{"start":9647.637,"end":9648.498,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":9676.338,"end":9678.079,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":9696.026,"end":9697.908,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":9715.026,"end":9717.767,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":9750.023,"end":9772.352,"text":"第9案的狀況也是說從這個審計部111年度的這個審核報告也認為說高工局針對這個催收成效欠佳而且預欠金額持續攀升的這個狀況那我們為了要促使高工局積極去解決這個問題那希望凍結這個"},{"start":9775.533,"end":9785.23,"text":"老屋成本向下管理成本10%那代工局兩個月內提出這個成效跟檢討的改善方案之後,使得動之。"},{"start":9788.961,"end":9812.9,"text":"國道要不要先局長說明一下跟委員報告說部分我們這幾年來講確實有在努力那確實它是有一些降低了那移送那個強制執行的部分都已經有到位剩下就是去年的部分還沒有以外還沒到華定期以外其他我們都已經有依法來做移送那是不是建議邱委員這邊能夠同意我們就說這個方案能夠在提書面報告就加四個字就好"},{"start":9815.757,"end":9839.244,"text":"第9案就凍結十分之一提書面報告後時的通知第10案魯明哲委員不在現場不在現場我們就先不予處理第11到第13案有電費有劉兆豪委員、林俊憲委員、李坤哲委員、林俊憲委員"},{"start":9841.124,"end":9843.625,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":9867.774,"end":9874.778,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":9896.721,"end":9918.727,"text":"好那李崑澤第13案不予處理那我們是不是請來說明一下剛剛林委員的林委員所提的部分我們也是會來遵照辦理那我們事實上來講說我們油電費的部分油電費的部分的話它分為油電的不是我們是講是說那個無紙化的部分那油費的部分我們是比去年已經少編了174萬那電費是"},{"start":9921.947,"end":9923.028,"text":"總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":9946.542,"end":9948.683,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":9973.536,"end":9975.197,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":10000.43,"end":10027.247,"text":"那剛剛局長說的那個無止化我看你第十四月本期提的這個材料用品費你就自打嘴巴了你明年那個公文就是那個材料用品費裡面這個預算又增加而且增加很多你明年度比今年增加了明年度比去年的決算數增加14%同時你明年度預算比今年也是不減反增了"},{"start":10028.047,"end":10028.709,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":10033.96,"end":10062.265,"text":"來你趕快說明一下來局長跟我們報告我們材料及用品費的部分他有幾個部分他就主要是公屋段的一個那個辦公所需的費用另外一個就是公屋車用油的部分那我們建議委員那個因為我們都在在節省的部分都節省在比較多的是公屋車用油的部分那因為在國道的一個巡檢的時候我們最需要的是郵費的部分希望委員給我們支持那給我們比較有大的彈性那因為這個郵價的部分是每年是都在變動的那給我們有一個彈性是不是建議說不要刪"},{"start":10064.491,"end":10091.794,"text":"軍縣委員這個確實是基層公務段的所需辦公所需啦你來這裡攬東攬西你攬一塊地又不是只有全部郵費他基層公務段本來他辦公所需的部分基層的費用他那個多有需要啦好啦軍縣委員不堅持啦我們支持這一筆預算預算照列來第15萬來請李坤哲委員"},{"start":10093.582,"end":10096.223,"text":"四、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":10115.256,"end":10136.676,"text":"那回溯票的這種回收只會日益減少了其實很多年輕人都不知道有回溯票的這種那現在我請教你們在今年大概回收花了多少錢"},{"start":10137.779,"end":10141.401,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":10157.811,"end":10159.613,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":10178.434,"end":10179.395,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":10194.83,"end":10197.531,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":10212.669,"end":10239.69,"text":"到今年為止高層局的重大工程13件裡面有9件13件是工程會列管的在工程會列管的13件裡面有9件主要都是發生流廢標的狀況平均每一件都是流廢標4次含變更設計高達71次其中有一案它的變更設計竟然爆了8次"},{"start":10240.939,"end":10243,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":10269.346,"end":10271.927,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":10298.74,"end":10299.36,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":10323.294,"end":10325.215,"text":"陳淑玉議員第19案針對固定資產建設改良擴充181億8744萬2千元預算"},{"start":10338.78,"end":10339.621,"text":"主管中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。四、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":10354.714,"end":10357.755,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。三、繼續審查113年度中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算"},{"start":10380.703,"end":10389.838,"text":"好,我們請李坤哲委員好,第18案我們這個管理基金有關於固定資產的建設改良這種擴充計畫預算其實變得蠻多的181億"},{"start":10395.098,"end":10419.763,"text":"其中包括專案的計畫以及一般建築及設備的一些計畫但是部分的計畫執行不如預期有嚴重的落差預算編列最基本要符合實際預算執行的狀況所以相關的固定資產建設改良擴充計畫我認為預算應該3.1億元以上"},{"start":10426.653,"end":10443.566,"text":"好那我們先請局長來說明是跟委員報告那事實上來講就是說高雄局在五股跟林口這兩個案子一個招標留標的一個經驗裡面我們大概就學到一些那個那個怎樣來做一些評估那所以對這裡面來講是說我們招標留標的部分我們大概都有預估一些時程"},{"start":10444.286,"end":10448.628,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。三、繼續審查113年度中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算"},{"start":10463.016,"end":10464.277,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謝謝113年我們有關於這個暫儲包裝代理及加工費預算編列14億5360萬元那我看是比110年度的決算增加了1億5082萬那比112年度的預算去增加了1億4707萬元"},{"start":10975.7,"end":10998.443,"text":"那相關的預算比過去的預決算增加超過1億但是台鐵的公司業務跟過往並沒有明顯的差異那其實在台鐵成立公司第一年應該是給你們比較多的資源能夠去花費跟運作我也想要請教一下"},{"start":10999.104,"end":11001.066,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11016.163,"end":11038.312,"text":"這個絕大部分我們都是用外包的那現在我們基於現在外面社會這個環境我們雇員的情形所以我們的預算有給他做增加的確那這個部分還包括就是我們現在新車到位以後我們的運能也會提升"},{"start":11038.712,"end":11039.433,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11059.275,"end":11061.356,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11089.108,"end":11106.493,"text":"局長,那我們第6案跟第7案我們預算照列接著我們來討論第8到10案由李昆哲委員、林俊憲委員第8到第8我是因為我第8案對,李昆哲委員"},{"start":11107.173,"end":11119.678,"text":"那113年度有關於專業服務費編列的預算是5億3487萬元那比114年度決算增加的2億2254萬元那也比112年度的預算增加的7225萬元那考量113年度是台鐵公司成立的首年"},{"start":11134.818,"end":11151.034,"text":"我要請教為什麼要增加那麼多錢當然我們希望預算還是要控制但是又希望你們的服務你們的安全能夠提升那這個部分你們這個專業服務費編列了5億3487萬元"},{"start":11155.999,"end":11163.227,"text":"那最主要的內容是什麼呢說明一下我是建議3.1千萬啦看杜局長怎麼說明"},{"start":11164.107,"end":11185.525,"text":"好 那接著請林俊憲委員等一下再請局長同意說明謝謝本期第10案這是我們台鐵明年的行公務維持費其實這主要就是保全費用啦有編額5800我今天是關心保全費用編額5800多萬那比今年還要多啦"},{"start":11188.728,"end":11193.342,"text":"但是你今年這筆保全費用到10月底只用了50%"},{"start":11194.844,"end":11196.985,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11220.999,"end":11222.16,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11239.926,"end":11254.664,"text":"好,那我們先請杜局長說謝謝兩位委員首先是李坤澤委員我們這個項目主要是平交道保全但是它另外也包含我們邊坡、隧道"},{"start":11255.285,"end":11256.206,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11273.755,"end":11291.497,"text":"那剛剛這個林俊憲林委員他提到的包括我們場站的安全這個我們都有做這個重新的檢討那這個我們也是需要這一部分有保全的一個增資來做一個處理"},{"start":11292.959,"end":11309.655,"text":"相關剛剛講到的這個塗鴉事實上我們經過這一次這是我們大概近年來唯一的一次我們有經歷了以後我們有做一些檢討未來我們會在保全的這個部分來做一個防範"},{"start":11312.199,"end":11340.664,"text":"那各位委員還有其他的意見嗎?那如果杜局長我是不是可以吭聲委員這一個部分因為市社評價到還有隧道還有這個邊坡一些委託調查的安全還有保全有關安全那我就不刪除委員沒有堅持要刪減所以就預算我們會支持預算照列好不好接著來處理第11到17案"},{"start":11343.106,"end":11355.876,"text":"邱顯智委員謝謝主席那第11案主要當然就是說這個台鐵公司劃後那這個人力缺口的問題那這個到底要怎麼解決的問題"},{"start":11359.104,"end":11359.424,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11377.594,"end":11381.355,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11399.999,"end":11402.402,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":11422.961,"end":11424.722,"text":"主管中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。四、繼續審查113年度中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。"},{"start":11447.737,"end":11450.839,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11477.074,"end":11479.635,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11499.299,"end":11502.921,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11524.753,"end":11551.761,"text":"台鐵自從更換那個新型的你自己寫的新型自動售票機卻經常發生問題了尤其你那個自動售票機要用人工結帳你是去哪裡買然後呢結帳的時間一台機器要半小時而且結帳以後就不能再使用不能再開放使用否則你第二天還要再結第二次帳"},{"start":11553.575,"end":11560.197,"text":"四、繼續審查113年度中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。五、繼續審查113年度中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。六、繼續審查113年度中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。"},{"start":11577.372,"end":11578.553,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11589.94,"end":11591.461,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11609.428,"end":11610.129,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11625.709,"end":11631.293,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11656.081,"end":11656.942,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11681.986,"end":11685.008,"text":"三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11709.087,"end":11728.101,"text":"好,謝謝主席那本席提的是第15案跟第16案也是針對戰務費用修理保養與保固費那在明年度編列了兩億六千三百九十五萬六千元的這筆預算數那本席這兩案我就並案那主要是針對就是有關這個台鐵列車行駛的這個霧點的狀況非常的嚴重那我們跟"},{"start":11735.126,"end":11735.686,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11760.521,"end":11761.401,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度三、繼續審查113年度四、繼續審查113年度五、繼續審查113年度六、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11787.907,"end":11788.788,"text":"四、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":11808.627,"end":11810.548,"text":"二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度二、繼續審查113年度"},{"start":11831.394,"end":11859.362,"text":"好 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