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謝謝我們各位的黨團謝謝部長跟署長我們大家來協商所得稅法第17條的條文今天是針對關於幼兒學權特別扣除的事情我把所有的版本都把它整理了一下主要是針對有三項"},{"start":2150.37,"end":2159.678,"text":"第一項就是從5歲到6歲大家都同意包括財政部、包括各個黨團我看都沒有意見"},{"start":2163.445,"end":2187.022,"text":"針對生第一胎的特別扣除額是12萬這個金額有很多十個版本分別從12萬最高分別到20萬我自己的版本裡面是沒有但是我不尋思當然大家要confirm一下"},{"start":2192.548,"end":2203.623,"text":"第三個我們要鼓勵生育 生育太低了針對第二胎 含第二胎以上 我們就把它調整"},{"start":2205.029,"end":2230.52,"text":"百分之五十那當然這百分之五十到底是多少還是回到剛才講的第二個到底是以維持現在的12萬呢還是到20萬這中間有院局這總共有這三項第一項跟第三項大家都沒有爭議 對不對那我們就針對金額好不好金額就是特別扣除的金額到底是多少請大家表達意見 來"},{"start":2232.588,"end":2249.898,"text":"好 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來 再來 再來不好意思 剛剛我們表達我們主張之後但有一條我們希望可以保留是針對排富的部分我們希望這個部分可以再進行討論那我們希望還是要把納稅人的錢留在刀口上你就直接講出你們的版本好了我們不要再寫上了好 來 蘇英"},{"start":2443.788,"end":2460.276,"text":"好 謝謝昭緯我們這麼快速的其實在委員會出來之後馬上來進行協商就是因為我們也都在立場上都是非常同意就是在這個有關於幫民眾減稅減輕負擔這個部分那麼有關於這個幼兒學錢特別扣除額的部分我必須要講就是在民進黨內我們大概有包括黃國書委員賴瑞隆委員然後還有郭國文委員"},{"start":2472.122,"end":2490.848,"text":"那麼在這個扣除額的金額的部分有12到20萬不等那麼因為在我們內部這裡大家都是一致同意就是要提高扣除額的部分但是在這個金額的部分目前我們其實沒有一個同意的版本那麼但是我們其實都是認為就是必須在這個會期結束之前應該要把它修法完成那所以在這裡的話我是希望針對"},{"start":2499.031,"end":2513.852,"text":"剋除額的金額的部分給我們再一點時間那是不是交由這個院長再做一次協商然後請召委再來安排我們務必在這個院會結束之前本會期結束之前讓他能夠修正通過但是因為我們"},{"start":2515.053,"end":2534.772,"text":"民眾黨內的版本目前是12到20都有但是我相信在這裡應該是要抓一個中間值那包括像現在民眾黨團也希望是20嘛那在這個部分的話我希望是不是再給我們一點時間來做這個金流的部分好 謝謝楚瑩你看我們有列出來總共有12個版本民眾黨是20萬"},{"start":2538.615,"end":2549.88,"text":"廖婉汝委員是20萬 都是到6歲以下楊瓊瓔委員18萬 郭國文委員第一名12萬 第二名15萬 第三名18萬賴瑞隆委員是20萬"},{"start":2557.025,"end":2565.491,"text":"本院提的是第一名12萬其第二名是增加50%翁鴻鈞委員是20萬萬美玲委員24萬馬文君委員20萬楊耀委員維持12萬但是延長放寬至6歲莊競程委員是放寬至6歲以下並刪除牌付條款"},{"start":2583.021,"end":2587.184,"text":"第12位是黃國書委員6歲維持12萬現在請我們財政部是莊部長還是宋署長來回應一下"},{"start":2599.134,"end":2613.353,"text":"趙薇及委員大家好我想這個案子大家應該都希望能夠盡快的能夠通過因為現在少子女化確實是一個國安的問題那在我們上一次討論大概有如同剛剛趙薇所說的第一個從5歲"},{"start":2614.714,"end":2642.243,"text":"調整到6歲這個基本都有共識第二個就是排富的部分大概上次討論也都有共識那現在就是金額的部分除了金額之外還有一個是不是叫階梯式的一個調整也就是說第一胎12萬要不要做調整以及第二胎第三胎要不要做階梯式的調整這個部分也都有不同的版本那我們希望基本上大家的方向都希望這個會期能過那我們財政部也樂見這樣的一個完成那是不是在金額的部分恐怕"},{"start":2642.623,"end":2658.649,"text":"是不是有委員們再來做一個討論然後再來做一個因為各版本不同嘛經過一段不同是不是再來看委員們能不能取得一個公式然後我們也能夠在稅損可控的情況下來做一個後面的作業這個我之前付稅所幫我精算過你們拿前年的資料去套進去就是我們把"},{"start":2671.843,"end":2693.848,"text":"金額從12萬到15萬然後第二名小孩以後就是累計增加50%沒有排富的問題因為平常講我是覺得這是人民的權益加上排富我們鼓勵不管什麼人你只要生小孩就好"},{"start":2696.518,"end":2721.154,"text":"多聲而且這個我也問過了一下現在在50歲以下的年輕朋友我們光立法院我問一下好像有兩名小孩的好像很少只有一兩位你有是吧我是對抗少子女化的兼兵我是三個小孩子的父親這個應該要給獎勵而且我是45歲以下"},{"start":2727.219,"end":2750.76,"text":"你不是天主教徒吧這個天主教徒這個是不能墮胎的這樣子所以說我們這個牌付條款基本上我想我們就不要談了好不好因為我們不管什麼人願意生小孩就是給你獎勵好不好"},{"start":2752.591,"end":2762.088,"text":"那這樣子剛才那個主委委員給我講因為民黨內還沒有整合好所以我們今天就做如下的決議"},{"start":2763.973,"end":2788.403,"text":"我們擇期請游業長再來召開朝野協商好不好我會盡快跟麻煩你們也跟那個游業長辦公室但排富的部分我也非常認同就是說不要有排富的這個部分應該是願意要生的、生養的我覺得我們就應該要鼓勵你說年收入200萬的人如果把它排除"},{"start":2791.679,"end":2813.525,"text":"兩百萬在台北是養個小孩很貴的啦好不好 排富的部分我們就不談你們當初有算排富嗎因為排富的門檻是什麼就是28歲以上的"},{"start":2819.996,"end":2840.933,"text":"是不是建議可以再重新估算一下,我們再討論盡快的反正我們本來就要再召開一次會議我們具體建議,謝謝昭偉就是說昭偉今天會做決議如果要進行到院長協商的部分你們那個精算的部分就是如果沒有牌覆的要把它算出來"},{"start":2841.813,"end":2861.455,"text":"然後稅損是多少?到底要花多少錢?那我們黨團的主張當然是希望就像昭薇講的啦其實從寬從速從簡讓大家就是把這個不管是每個國民都把這個當作是一個非常重要的事情的話其實我們的這個主張它的金額我們當然主張是拉到最高啦就是20萬"},{"start":2863.056,"end":2890.971,"text":"這個部分其實我覺得政策它是可以檢討的就是說三年可以來再重新調整一次看它的實際的效果不然有時候做了半套效果不好其實大家也是花了那麼多時間反而那個效果並沒有達到好吧您再算一算把牌付拿掉這個稅水會增加多少好不好像今年我們退稅六千塊有沒有牌付"},{"start":2892.216,"end":2921.07,"text":"沒有排富嗎我覺得不管有錢沒錢沒錢的其實要給他額外的補助有錢人或是中富的人多鼓勵他生小孩因為生小孩日後解決很多問題兵役問題、勞力問題還有人口老化的問題你知道我們去年台灣出生率是全世界第幾名嗎"},{"start":2923.038,"end":2950.771,"text":"最後一名所以本來有人還要提連我都支持生第二個小孩送一百萬送第二個小孩送三百萬鼓勵他生但是我想即使這樣子都很難達到預期效果你想想看多一個小孩多一百萬的話第二個小孩多一百萬他日後如果繳稅可以多"},{"start":2952.883,"end":2975.539,"text":"替社會多繳多少稅要從這個重賞之下看希望有成效我非常認同張偉所講的其實補助只是其中一個方法接下來是要打造一個友善的育兒環境然後從整個人口結構跟長期發展來考慮它會解決國軍招募的問題產業缺工的問題私校退場的問題還有整個我們後面社會福利的這個"},{"start":2981.463,"end":2996.951,"text":"社會能量的一個支持我們現在的人口結構是頭重腳輕但是這個事情如果現在不解決20年後會更嚴重所以這個應該要從這個角度來去思考在稅損可以接受的範圍內大力的補助真的是這樣子因為平常講"},{"start":2998.432,"end":3017.72,"text":"現在還有很多東西不是只有這個東西就可以鼓勵人家生小孩還有我們托育的政策像公托要不要增加公托大家比較放心你知道嗎你到民間托你政府出的那個錢縣市政府都有補助"},{"start":3019.293,"end":3045.143,"text":"真的是這樣子不是只有這個所得罪法第17條大家要全力配合但是放心我跟我太太商量過了我們兩個不再勝了我們今天協商就請院長盡快也拜託也拜託這個負稅組這邊盡快把它把它再試算一下好不好好我們就謝謝各位我們就散會"},{"start":3053.21,"end":3053.55,"text":"主席"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}