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對不對"},{"start":411.946,"end":425.005,"text":"報告委員這個地方其實上個月我去看過了那土地部分就卡在撥用問題那另外呢他其實他後面部分的話他另外就是說這個我們都協調了國產署都協調他到時候面臨貸款的問題要不要幫忙"},{"start":428.328,"end":454.386,"text":"她的貸款問題部分目前縣政府還沒有提出來我等一下會說我再舉個例子像是我們常常看到我很傷心因為我們住在深山部落我們的復康巴士長照服務50歲以上要用可是有的人30、40歲他就得癌症可是他享受不到這些"},{"start":455.649,"end":480.586,"text":"但政府想像不到我們是住在山區耶我今天得了癌症我每個禮拜要去醫院復診但是我享受不到這一些長照服務這些復康巴士如果我們請原民會來編列主委您認為應不應該以前都可以編馬桶啦這個別的族群沒有的我們原民會可以自己編啊"},{"start":484.591,"end":492.617,"text":"甚至是我們的電動代步車我們原住民我們的膝蓋老化科學數據我們比人家膝蓋老化早個七八年"},{"start":493.84,"end":493.86,"text":" ﹝懷疑﹞"},{"start":514.873,"end":515.654,"text":"都要研議以上。"},{"start":531.181,"end":548.096,"text":"人民有感啊我們要在細微的地方政府的末梢神經觸及不到的地方我們原民會我們就要撿起來做那包括我們的原保地我也想講我一直到財政委員會處理原保地儘管會提供評鑑佣金OK我甚至剛剛我在財政委員會我說現在那些長治百合永久屋要自立建屋的他們要貸款"},{"start":557.984,"end":580.696,"text":"我問公股銀行哪一個願意做,現在有評鑑誘因喔。台灣銀行舉手說他來做喔。但是所有都答應我了,農業部也願意增設。現在內政部、原保地建架、石架東路他們都願意做。他們說我們就在等原民會的一個作業,信用保證作業。告訴我三個月,我們可不可以比其他部會快。"},{"start":582.912,"end":584.052,"text":"可以喔?"},{"start":584.052,"end":610.62,"text":"可以!一定可以啦!別的部會都那麼阿沙哩喔!那關於這些圖管規則我講很久我希望可以趕快出來那針對我們的疑慮原鄉的公共設施能不能包含因為現在原鄉啊很多的建物都沒有建造啊他們一直在問公共建設行不行我建議啦能拆的就補助趕快做新的土地有問題的你們就編列經費來協助處理建造的問題好不好?"},{"start":610.62,"end":610.64,"text":"好!"},{"start":612.881,"end":614.222,"text":"負責負責負責負責負責負貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼"},{"start":628.533,"end":628.553,"text":" ﹝廣告﹞"},{"start":645.959,"end":651.521,"text":"委員會主導一下你們的大船都已經造好了要準備直航通航了這是唯一60%跟我們的蘭嶼達烏族相同語言的島我們要好好的來做現在國際各個國家都很看重巴丹島我們要搶先來做好不好編足經費那很多的問題我以後再來跟我們原民會做質詢謝謝主席給我這個多的時間"},{"start":675.829,"end":676.17,"text":"謝謝主委謝謝吳麗華委員的質詢謝謝曾主委"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}