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answer，又一個錯誤的答案，國家是有這個能力監控的，你剛剛說沒有。"],["卓院長榮泰：這不是監控！"],["傅委員崐萁：國外的總理，以色列總理都講得這麼清楚，本席現在跟您討論這個事情，這是全國人民的公眾利益，這是違反憲法的事情！限制、監控人民的自由，這是違反憲法、毀憲亂政的事情，何等重要！臺灣是一個民主自由的國家，如果做這樣的事情，是全世界民主之恥！請問院長要不要查？"],["卓院長榮泰：你剛剛說的那個個案……"],["傅委員崐萁：要不要查？"],["卓院長榮泰：已經進入到檢調的程序了。"],["傅委員崐萁：要不要查？要查？"],["卓院長榮泰：已經進入程序，我們希望它能夠儘速釐清。"],["傅委員崐萁：所以國會要不要聽證調查權？"],["卓院長榮泰：已經有司法單位在調查，我們相信司法……"],["傅委員崐萁：所以國會應不應該要有聽證調查權？"],["卓院長榮泰：國會的人事同意權，那是一種設計。"],["傅委員崐萁：好，謝謝。再過來，我們來看一下人民納稅人的血汗錢是怎麼花掉的，在COVID-19期間，百姓哀號無法工作、百業蕭條，民進黨政府跟全民拿了8,400億，這8,400億在做什麼事情？發國難財呢？還是在吃人血饅頭？","我們來看一下快篩劑的部分，院長，我們的快篩劑是由高登小吃店進口1,700萬劑，本席實在不了解，我們的政府需要由一個小吃店來進口1,700萬劑的快篩劑，而且請看一下，這個叫做人去樓空啊！被國民黨爆發本案以後，人去樓空，逃得乾乾淨淨！這是我們衛福部招標的，1,700萬劑、16.5億的訂單。我們來看一下當時的招標須知，案號YH111020、YH110067及YH111004，統統是抗原快篩，這是衛生福利部疾管署的招標案號，但我們打進去看，結果是怎麼樣？全部是空帳、空的，沒有任何結果，對於這些招標的過程，現在都打算要湮滅證據！看到後面，請看後面，紅框這裡都很清楚，右下方的查詢結果是找不到，已經被移除了。請問一下院長，8,400億人血饅頭卻成為，在這人命關天的時候，民進黨貪贓枉法、掏空國庫、圖利個人，要不要查？"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告……"],["傅委員崐萁：要不要查？"],["卓院長榮泰：這個事情經過大院幾次的討論……"],["傅委員崐萁：要不要查？要不要查嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：相關的調查也多次了……"],["傅委員崐萁：要不要查？要不要查嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：我們衛福部林次長當時也在你這個位置上，他有他的觀察，我請林次長來說明。"],["傅委員崐萁：不用！本席只問你，不用回答我，本席只問你要不要查？"],["卓院長榮泰：該查的已經查過了。"],["傅委員崐萁：好，要查就好，因為未來立法院會來查。","再過來，連孩子的營養，最基本的蛋白質的攝取，最基本的攝取，是不是要孩子能夠成長茁壯，這麼重要的蛋白質的攝取，臺灣缺蛋竟然可以缺到兩年八季，原來不缺蛋就沒有機會來賺錢，政府就沒有辦法上下其手來賺錢。我們來看一下，來來來來，院長，我們來看一下超思公司，看下一頁進口廠商比一比，有超思，有台農發，有中央畜產，有羽禾跟台農投資，卻是超思進了8,800多萬顆蛋，8,800多萬顆，比中央畜產的3,000多萬顆還要多，而資本額只有50萬，負責人只出資了5,000塊，請問一下院長，最後這個蛋銷毀了，民脂民膏要不要查？"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，陳部長……"],["傅委員崐萁：你只要回答本席，該不該查？"],["卓院長榮泰：陳部長非常瞭解那個過程跟現在的進度……"],["傅委員崐萁：該不該查？院長，只要有弊案，該不該查？"],["卓院長榮泰：陳部長可以跟您報告，已經查到什麼程度。"],["傅委員崐萁：沒有關係，沒有關係，好，你不用回答。本席只是問你該不該查，你只要回答本席要不要查就好。"],["卓院長榮泰：檢調單位也已經在查了。"],["傅委員崐萁：好，兩位部長請回。再下一案，本席是讓你知道，如果民進黨政府查不出來、查不清楚，沒有關係，國會的聽證調查會來查清楚。再過來，民進黨一直在講，5月17號不是討論我們民主的國會改革，而是什麼花東錢坑兩兆法案，我們來讓院長參考一下，剛剛如果那些金額你覺得太小，我們來看一下民進黨的2兆貪污錢坑，這個叫離岸風力兩兆大餅，民進黨真的很會用詞，「2兆錢坑」、「2兆錢坑」，真的2兆錢坑就在這裡。我們看一下，第一個階段的發電，總共138億度電，每度五塊八毛錢，第二階段60億度電，每度兩塊五毛錢，為什麼？院長，價差這麼大，為什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，您跟我一樣的瞭解……"],["傅委員崐萁：為什麼？為什麼嘛？"],["卓院長榮泰：投資的當初，一開始的投資當然有很多的基礎建設，很多的技術移轉，這是任何……而且2兆大餅離岸風電，如果我們有時間共同到彰化、臺中看看，多少個風機列在那邊……"],["傅委員崐萁：沒有關係，沒有關係，好，好，好。"],["卓院長榮泰：這就是國家的基礎建設，能源轉型的成果。"],["傅委員崐萁：國家的基礎建設？好，那我們來看一下監察院的報告。監察院的報告認為，一度電應該是招標多少錢，看清楚，監察院王美玉，唯一一位看起來值得讓我尊敬的監察委員，他的報告指出，歐洲的離岸風電的裝置成本價格趨勢，每一度發電1.75元，監察院的報告！49.9歐元，1比35換算，相當於臺灣每度1.75元。院長，院長，1.75塊臺幣可以發電，你們自己監察院的報告，你用五塊八。我們再回到上一頁……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們綠能的發電價格也是逐年在下降，會降到合理的範圍。"],["傅委員崐萁：再回到上一頁，沒有關係，沒有關係，人民心裡有一把尺。再上一頁，今天離岸風電花了人民2兆，總共第一期五塊八，官商勾結，跟第二階段的兩塊半，整整價差20年差了9,100億，9,100億民進黨可以吃十代，十代人都吃不完，吃臺灣世世代代的血淚。請問院長，要不要查？"],["卓院長榮泰：傅委員，你這樣說實在令人很難接受，無法接受。"],["傅委員崐萁：沒有關係嘛！國會調查了以後就有完整的答案。本席再提醒你一下……"],["卓院長榮泰：該有的司法調查都有司法機關在調查。"],["傅委員崐萁：離岸風電第一階段、第二階段加起來，138億度加60億度，一年發電198億度電，而我們核四被民進黨廢除，不願意把它重啟，2,900億的核四不用，2,900億的核四一年可以發電213億度，213億度不要，要198億度，2兆跟3,000億的建置成本，這個價差整整有一兆多，這就是民進黨的能源政策，我們當然會查……"],["卓院長榮泰：這是推動能源轉型必要的過程。"],["傅委員崐萁：我們當然會查。"],["卓院長榮泰：核四的問題如果……"],["傅委員崐萁：全世界都已經重啟核電。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們去請教侯市長，他也會說要有核安、要有核廢料的處理，我們才能夠下一步去想，那目前是沒有這個能力。"],["傅委員崐萁：我們再來看一下，剛剛叫做2兆的貪污錢坑，我們現在講一下什麼叫2兆的臺灣基礎建設，來看一下什麼叫2兆的臺灣基礎建設，包括環島高鐵，包括花東快，包括國道6號，我們現在在這裡就本席所提出的國民黨、民眾黨最終版跟院長溝通一下，請民進黨中央黨部不要再造謠，沒有什麼2兆錢坑法案，本席再一次提醒你，請你看清楚。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝，委員，我們的看法一樣，我們要向人民講沒有2兆的花東建設。"],["傅委員崐萁：請看清楚，第一個，我們不舉債；第二個，不編特別預算、不用基金。很重要的是我們希望比照臺灣高鐵，第一個是發國內的BOT；第二個是發國際的BOT；第三個是政府逐年編列預算。院長，如果你覺得臺灣的基礎建設要花這麼多錢並不適當，本席也可以來協商，對第三項中央政府逐年編列預算我們也可以拿掉，由中央政府交通部來做國內的BOT、國際的BOT，政府零出資，本席宣示性的讓院長知道，不需要民進黨政府出錢，但是花東快是賴清德總統的政見，也是民進黨的政見，而且今天不做，明天就會後悔。臺灣的基礎建設非常簡單，我們看一看其他國家的工程技術……"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，我們對花東國人的交通安全是非常重視的，我們已經使用了3,000億的中長期建設，包括蘇花改的820億。"],["傅委員崐萁：臺灣政府做不到沒有關係，我們不管用國際BOT、國際ODA都可以，我們看一下日本，這個跟我們的東部一樣是沿著海，在民國48年也就是65年前，人家只要5年3個月就完工了，也是五百多公里，日本在65年前就有這個技術。再來，我們再看一下日本山陽新幹線，在民國56年到64年這8年完成五百多公里，這是日本人的技術，日本現在在整個東南亞做了很多的ODA援助的建設，臺灣政府做不到沒有關係，就開放國外BOT，像日本、美國、德國、歐洲人家的技術都沒有問題，都可以把這些基礎建設做好。不過本席要在這裡提醒院長，來，我們看一下花東快……"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，我們鐵道工程在全國也做得蠻多的，如果你容許交通部跟你做說明的話……"],["傅委員崐萁：不用，本席現在時間有限，他可以到委員會好好跟本席溝通，沒有問題。來，我們看一下花東快，在2012年的評估是819億，花東快也是賴總統在地方承諾的事項，到2020年重啟評估，現在要2,555億，這是交通部做的，從148公里的819億到現在是174公里、2,555億，今天不做，明天就會後悔；原本1,000億可以做的，現在要2,500億，再拖下去3,000億都做不起來。臺灣的基礎建設如果沒有當時蔣經國先生的十大建設，不會有今天的幸福、繁榮臺灣，希望院長……"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，關於花東快，今年8月我們將有一個期末的報告，那個時候我再請委員能夠來指教，我們共同來為花蓮的鄉親做更多的事情。"],["傅委員崐萁：好、好、好，謝謝，我們一起來努力，本席很樂見。"],["李部長孟諺：只要是安全、便捷，我們都會全力來……"],["傅委員崐萁：好，我們看一下這一次的大地震，本席要請教一下院長，自古以來天災地變，我們是不是要誠心地消災祈福？是不是要心存善念？對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["傅委員崐萁：好，來看一下我們執政黨的大黨鞭他怎麼講，這麼淒慘的災情。","（播放影片）"],["傅委員崐萁：這個就是一個執政者的傲慢跟權力……"],["卓院長榮泰：傅委員你應該知道、你應該記得，柯建銘委員已經公開對這件事情有他的態度，跟大家表示不好意思了。"],["傅委員崐萁：道歉是一件事情，有沒有誠心是一件事情，講這句話是發生於他的權謀跟他的算計又是一件事情。現在本席在這裡要跟你探討這個災情，我要謝謝院長這兩天有不斷地表達對於地方災情願意伸出援手，我想我在這裡跟院長做一個簡單的說明，當時花蓮2018年0206大地震只有200戶的災民；這一次0403的花蓮受災戶有1,899戶，9倍於2018年的大地震。現在這麼多的災民要來重建，我也要謝謝鄭文燦前副院長所提出來的相關預算，但是太多是抄襲921條例，所以本席在這裡希望院長要很務實，我也不怪鄭文燦前副院長，他是好意，但是因為時間太短，馬上要卸任，急救章，很多是抄921的條例，一戶一坪……拆掉的、倒掉的大樓拆掉的一坪補助12萬，30坪是360萬，要到哪裡去蓋房子？這些都是不合時宜的，但是他拿出來以後，我們沒有怪他，但是希望我們一起把重建條例兩院一起合作，讓災民務必能夠得到安置，院長好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝傅委員，我相信你也記得上任之後，我的第一個走訪的行程就是到花蓮去看看當地的情況。"],["傅委員崐萁：有。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們有得到一些資訊，我們也考量整個財政……"],["傅委員崐萁：謝謝，你從擔任……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們已經把285億提升到293億的補償。"],["傅委員崐萁：你從擔任行政院的秘書長就來關心，所以希望我們能再次攜手。最後，兩岸的和平是很重要，兩岸的團客跟自由行，希望院長儘快推動，臺灣的百工百業都需要卓院長做一個明確的推動。"],["卓院長榮泰：我昨天已經做了一個重大的決定……"],["傅委員崐萁：另外也希望提醒賴總統，你是按照中華民國憲法來宣誓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":"非常的廉潔。非常的陽光。國務人員恪守法令。不貪贓枉法。不舞弊徇私。"},{"start":380.802,"end":395.654,"text":"這是不是我們共同追求的目標?請回答。當然是。所以我們在各項評比當中政府的新年度是節節上升。既然是國務院長跟本席一樣都是追求同樣的目標。今天通過的立法院這些刑事法聽證調查來查閉來新立"},{"start":401.7,"end":427.982,"text":"這不正是所有世界先進民主國家成熟的法案也推動了幾十年為什麼在臺灣不能實施?跟委員報告每一國的憲政設計不同我國而言我們還有監察院相信副委員也感受到監察院對這個事業形式法也有他的立場跟看法所以你說本國設計不同那本期要再次提醒你一下"},{"start":429.363,"end":454.048,"text":"民進黨在野的時候包括您的開山師傅謝長廷先生也一樣連署提案也包括林卓水先生也包括沈富雄先生這些民進黨的先賢先烈在推動憲改的時候就講得非常的清楚國會必須要聽證調查權而且"},{"start":458.59,"end":472.935,"text":"如果在國會做不死的虛偽的陳述必須處七年以下有期徒刑大師兄啊卓院長你忘記你的祖訓你師門的尊尊教誨嗎忘記了嗎還是忘記了人民"},{"start":476.42,"end":496.136,"text":"還是得了權力不忘了自己是誰?您放心,我絕對不是這樣的想法。國會的調查權是院會的調查權,不是委員會的。我也跟委員報告,如果您認為當時的那些提案是不對的,如果當時的那些提案是不對,您也反對,您今天為什麼要做同樣的事呢?"},{"start":501.175,"end":528.608,"text":"必須跟所有世界先進的國家看齊民主國家看齊臺灣不是民選的皇帝不是可以專制獨裁必須受到國會的監督過去八年立法院是行政院的立法科把執政黨委員當作科員當久了現在已經是正式的國會本席要向您提醒清楚"},{"start":529.335,"end":551.481,"text":"而且在此次過程當中民進黨不斷在全國散播府院黨放播的謠言叫做沒有經過討論而且是5月17號是要兩造什麼乾坑法案結果清律的台灣事實查核中心很清楚的說明"},{"start":553.621,"end":582.854,"text":"事實說明臺灣事實查核中心說這就是謠言這是假消息。午夜17號並沒有花東山案午夜17號說沒有經過討論通通是假訊息我們今天國家我們希望是忠誠信實而不是詐騙治國謊言臺灣希望院長要秉持和善的心情"},{"start":592.642,"end":608.874,"text":"請問一下院長剛剛你也講了有弊案是不是應該要查當然要查當然要查好來現在我們老大哥民進黨政府有沒有在監控全國人民來我們來聽一下執政黨怎麼說"},{"start":613.9,"end":638.732,"text":"這些人跟原來的小草,我們也去比對過,他跟原來這個517幾名都會開,現在小草會信號閉起來,也不同人喔,你說小草也沒辦法喔,但是這一批人跟上次我們選舉1月13之前的選權之夜的人比對喔,"},{"start":639.943,"end":640.083,"text":"請問一下"},{"start":656.941,"end":660.182,"text":"民進黨中央黨部要不要出來跟全民道歉要不要?跟委員報告"},{"start":686.135,"end":686.435,"text":"以色列總理怎麼講的?"},{"start":712.728,"end":741.37,"text":"以色列總理怎麼講的在COVID-19期間臺灣就是用電子維尼監控我們全民而且整個萬華有60萬人被監控他們是做什麼是幹什麼的通通清清楚楚所以以色列總理說要仿效臺灣請問COVID-19過了沒有院長過了到現在為止你們還在"},{"start":743.154,"end":764.627,"text":"用過去為了防疫COVID-19的監控模式到今天為止還在用國家機器來監控反對者是嗎?報告委員如果我們用監控兩個字來形容COVID-19期間所有相關公務人員醫療團隊的努力我覺得對他們是相當的不好的這絕對不是監控那是一種又一個錯誤的答案"},{"start":771.392,"end":795.727,"text":"國家是有這個能力監控。你剛剛說沒了。這不是監控。國外的總理、以色列總理都講得這麼清楚。本席現在跟您討論這個事情。這是全國人民的公眾利益。這是違反憲法的事情。限制監控人民的自由。這是違反憲法的、毀憲亂政的事情。"},{"start":796.94,"end":798.68,"text":"所以國會要不要聽證調查權?所以國會不應該有聽證調查權?"},{"start":823.867,"end":847.638,"text":"國會的人事同意權那是一種設計我們看一下人民納稅人的血汗錢是怎麼花掉我們看看在COVID-19期間百姓哀嚎無法工作百業蕭條民進黨政府跟全民拿了8400億8400億在做什麼事情"},{"start":851.697,"end":879.887,"text":"發國難財呢還是來吃人血饅頭我們看一下快篩劑快篩劑請問一下院長快篩劑我們由這個高登小吃店來進口1700萬劑本席在不了解我們的政府需要由一個由一個小吃店"},{"start":881.564,"end":900.207,"text":"來進口1700萬劑的快篩劑而且呢看一下這個叫人去樓空啊被國民黨爆發本案以後人去樓空逃得乾乾淨淨這是我們衛福部招標的1700萬劑16.5億的訂單我們看一下當時的招標敘事我們看一下"},{"start":913.162,"end":937.771,"text":"按號YH111020再來下一頁YH110067再來YH11004通通市抗原快篩衛生福利部疾管署的招標按號我們打進去看"},{"start":939.645,"end":968.485,"text":"結果是怎麼樣看一下全部是空帳空的沒有任何沒有任何結果沒有任何結果現在這些招標的過程現在都打算要湮滅證據看到後面看到後面紅框這裡都很清楚右下方查詢的結果找不到找不到已經被移除了請問一下院長"},{"start":969.827,"end":987.998,"text":"八千四百億人血饅頭卻成為人命關天的時候民進黨貪贓枉法掏空國庫圖利個人要不要查?要不要查?要不要查?要不要查?要不要查?要不要查?"},{"start":999.099,"end":1024.989,"text":"不用,本席只問你,你不用回答我。本席只問要不要查。該查的已經查過。要不要查就好。以後未來立法院會來查。好,再過來。連孩子的營養,最基本的蛋白質的攝取,最基本的攝取,是不是要孩子能夠成長、茁壯,這麼重要的蛋白質的攝取?臺灣缺蛋竟然可以缺到兩年八季。"},{"start":1026.226,"end":1054.882,"text":"原來不缺蛋就沒有機會阿來賺錢齁政府就沒有辦法上下其手來賺錢我們來看一下來來來來好院長我們超私公司超私公司好來看一下我們下一頁進口廠商比一比有超私有台東發有中央續產有宇和"},{"start":1055.669,"end":1073.42,"text":"有臺灣臺農投資卻是啊超失近了8800多顆但8800多顆比我們的中央畜產3000多顆還要多而資本額只有50萬負責人只出資了5000塊請問一下院長最後這個蛋銷毀了"},{"start":1084.315,"end":1111.622,"text":"明尺明高,要不要查?你只要回答本席,該不該查?該不該查?院長,院長,只要有弊案該不該查?沒有關係,沒有關係,好,你不用回答本席只是問你,該不該查?你只要回答本席,要不要查就好檢調單位也已經在場好,再下一案兩位部長請回"},{"start":1113.683,"end":1129.115,"text":"本期是讓你知道如果民進黨政府查不出來查不清楚沒有關係國會的聽證調查會來查清楚好再過來這個民進黨一直在講齁"},{"start":1131.035,"end":1159.759,"text":"這個5月17號不是討論我們民主的國會改革而是啊什麼花東錢坑兩兆錢坑法案我們來讓這個院長參考一下剛剛如果那些金額你覺得太小我們來看一下民進黨的兩兆貪污錢坑這叫離岸鋒利兩兆大餅民進黨真的會用詞兩兆錢坑兩兆錢坑真的兩兆錢坑就在這裡我們看一下"},{"start":1161.414,"end":1186.75,"text":"第一個階段的發電總共138億度電五塊八毛錢第二階段61度電兩塊五毛錢為什麼院長價差這麼大為什麼委員報告您跟我一樣的了解投資的當初一開始的投資當然有很多的基礎建設很多的技術移轉"},{"start":1188.347,"end":1216.842,"text":"這是任何而且兩兆大餅離岸風電如果我們有時間共同到彰化台中看看多少個風機列在那邊這就是國家基礎的建設能源轉型的成果我們來看一下監察院的報告監察院的報告認為一度電應該是招標多少錢看清楚監察院王美玉唯一一位看起來讓我值得尊敬的監察委員"},{"start":1218.427,"end":1230.556,"text":"歐洲的離岸風電它的裝置成本價格趨勢每度發電1.75元。檢察院的報告49.9歐元1比35換算當台灣每度1.75元。院長"},{"start":1246.052,"end":1273.032,"text":"一點七五塊台幣可以發電你們自己監察院的報告你用五塊八我們再回到上一頁我們綠能的發電也是逐年在下降會降到合理的範圍人民心裡有一把尺在上一頁今天離岸封電花了人民兩兆總共第一期五塊八官商勾結"},{"start":1274.838,"end":1276.72,"text":"國會調查了以後就有完整的答案本席再提醒你一下"},{"start":1301.84,"end":1328.718,"text":"在已有的司法調查都有司法機關在調查第一案封電第一階段第二階段加起來加起來這個鏡頭給我換這個副表好不好第一階段第二階段加起來138億度加60億度一年發電198億度電而我們核四被民進黨廢除不願意把它重啟"},{"start":1330.593,"end":1358.751,"text":"兩千九百億的核四不用卻兩千九百億的核四可以一年發電兩百一十三度兩百一十三億度兩百一十三億度不要要一百九十八億度兩兆跟三千億的建制成本跟發電這個整整價差一兆多這就是民進黨的"},{"start":1359.599,"end":1362.02,"text":"我們現在講一下什麼叫兩兆的臺灣基礎建設。來看一下什麼叫兩兆的臺灣基礎建設。"},{"start":1390.645,"end":1419.673,"text":"這個包括環島高鐵包括這個這個花東快包括這個國道6號我們現在在這裡跟院長本席現在提出的國民黨民眾黨最終版跟院長溝通一下請民進黨中央黨部不要再造謠沒有什麼兩兆乾坤法案本席提醒你"},{"start":1420.342,"end":1423.484,"text":"提醒你,再次提醒你,請看清楚,請看清楚,請看清楚。"},{"start":1451.058,"end":1479.575,"text":"如果你覺得說臺灣的基礎建設要花這麼多錢你覺得不適當本席也可以來協商把第三項把第三項中央政府逐年變略制我們也可以拿掉由中央政府交通部來做國內的BOT國際的BOT政府零出資政府零出資本席宣誓性的讓院長知道不需要民進黨政府出錢"},{"start":1480.253,"end":1490.602,"text":"但是花東快是賴清德總統的政見也是民進黨的政見而且今天不做明天就會後悔"},{"start":1491.775,"end":1518.881,"text":"台灣的基礎建設非常簡單跟委員報告我們對花東國人的交通安全是非常重視的我們已經使用了3000億的中長期建設包括蘇哈安的820億台灣政府做不到沒有關係我們不管用國際BOT國際ODA都可以我們看一下日本這個沿著海跟東部一樣沿著海民國48年65年前"},{"start":1521.567,"end":1539.487,"text":"五年三個月人家就完工也是500多公里日本65年前就這個技術再來再看一下日本山陽新幹線民國56年到64年8年完成500多公里日本人的技術"},{"start":1540.236,"end":1560.621,"text":"日本現在在整個東南亞做了很多的ODA,原住的建設,臺灣政府做不到沒有關係,開放國外BOT,開放日本、美國、德國、歐洲,人家的技術都沒有問題,都可以把這些基礎建設做好。不過本期要在這裡提醒院長,來我們看一下這個花東塊,"},{"start":1562.514,"end":1584.172,"text":"委員報告我們鐵道工程全國也做的蠻多的如果你容許交通部跟你做說明的話本席現在時間有限他可以到委員會好好跟本席溝通沒有問題來我們看一下花東快在當時這個下一頁這一頁這一頁2012年的評估819億花東快這是賴總統的"},{"start":1588.437,"end":1616.11,"text":"也是賴總統在地方承諾的思想到2020年重啟評估現在2555億都是交通部做的從148公里的819億到現在174公里2555億今天不做明天就會後悔原本1000億可以做的現在2500億再拖下去3000億都做不起來臺灣的基礎建設如果沒有當時蔣經國先生的十大建設"},{"start":1617.233,"end":1624.855,"text":"不會有今天的幸福繁榮臺灣。希望院長,希望院長,好,謝謝,好好好,謝謝,我們一起,我們一起來努力,本期很樂見,好,來,下一項,我們看一下這一次的大地震,本期要請教一下院長。"},{"start":1640.106,"end":1665.36,"text":"自古以來天災地變啊是不是啊我們要誠心的消災止伏是不是要心存善念對不對是是好來看一下我們執政黨的大黨編他怎麼講的這麼淒慘的災情三號要硬幹的時候但是老天爺會發生大地震"},{"start":1669.859,"end":1690.203,"text":"這個就是一個執政者的傲慢。傅委員您應該知道,您應該記得,科建民委員已經公開對這件事情有他的態度,跟大家表示不好意思了。道歉是一件事情,有沒有誠心是一件事情,還是講這句話是發生於他的權謀跟他的算計又是一件事情。本席在這裡,現在跟你探討。"},{"start":1691.592,"end":1709.72,"text":"這個災情我要謝謝院長這兩天有不斷的表達對地方災情願意伸出援手我想我在這裡跟大家院長做一個簡單的一個說明當時花蓮2018年0206大地震只有200戶的災民這一次0403的花蓮的受災戶1899戶"},{"start":1720.276,"end":1736.95,"text":"九倍於2018的大地震現在這麼多的災民要來重建我要謝謝鄭文燦前副院長所提出來的相關的這些預算但是太多是抄襲921條例"},{"start":1739.309,"end":1766.39,"text":"所以本席在這裡希望希望院長要很務實因為我也不怪鄭文燦院長他是好意但是因為時間太短馬上要卸任急救章很多次抄921的條例一戶一坪拆掉的倒掉的大樓拆掉一坪補助12萬30坪360萬要到哪裡去蓋房子"},{"start":1767.905,"end":1783.192,"text":"這些都不合實意的但是他拿出來以後我們沒有怪他但是希望我們一起把重建條例我們兩院一起合作讓災民務必啊能夠得到安置院長好不好謝謝這個副委員"},{"start":1784.232,"end":1796.585,"text":"我相信你也記得上任之後我的第一個走訪的行程就是到花蓮去看看當地的情況。我們有得到一些資訊。我們也考量整個財政。我們已經把285億提倡到293億的補償。所以我們希望再次攜手。最後"},{"start":1804.515,"end":1825.748,"text":"兩岸的和平是很重要。團客兩岸的團客跟自由行希望院長盡快推動臺灣的百工百業都需要卓院長做一個明確的明確的我昨天已經做了一個重大的決定另外另外也希望提醒賴總統你是按著中華民國憲法來宣誓就任總統"},{"start":1827.878,"end":1846.369,"text":"中華民國憲法徵修條文第11條及兩岸人民關係條例講得很清楚兩岸同屬中華民國目前目前不是兩個國家請賴總統不要違背憲法不要違背憲法不要違背憲法我們維持的是中華民國的現狀才能夠有和平維持中華民國的現狀好不好"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}