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政府要設立AI生態園區是不是這樣子這是我們跟國發會還有國客會在努力的目標我認為啊 你有提到啦 第一個當然要土地嘛"},{"start":358.094,"end":384.699,"text":"對不對土地一定要有嘛第二個你說交通便利嘛部長AI生態園區啊最適合設立的就在台南高鐵特區啦就在台南沙崙我對沙崙還蠻熟的因為我個人有辦公室在那裡所以因為對你為什麼會熟因為我們台灣很多最重要的高等研究機構都設在這個地方所以沙崙周邊相關互相支援的"},{"start":385.923,"end":388.121,"text":"已經非常的完整了"},{"start":389.164,"end":415.72,"text":"所以國家如果未來要設立AI生態園區我們台南高鐵特區的沙輪是最適合的部長你的看法這個我還在先跟國會跟國科會開會不過我個人是對沙輪還蠻熟悉的我覺得那個生態應該是符合你所提出的幾項條件因為我注意到你有提到一點嘛交通要便利最好高鐵出來就到了這裡就是啦"},{"start":417.421,"end":439.071,"text":"是不是應該優先列入考量?有在考量的,沒錯。有在考量喔?我們私底下再談啦。OK,好。這個最適合的啦。我們待會兒沒必要再寫下去啦。你南部要找一個沒有比這個地方更好的啦。再跟委員請教。好。那個AI生態運區一定要考慮設在我們台南,台南那個高鐵的沙崙啦,好不好?好,謝謝部長。謝謝,謝謝委員。"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}