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申請營運喔今天是他還在申請變更喔申請變更你還不知道可不可以過喔"},{"start":2822.281,"end":2823.782,"text":"看了變更會不會影響到安全的問題會不會影響到我們整個運作的問題人民的安全公安在哪裡什麼叫還在申請變更然後就可以試營運再申請運轉還要離運轉還有一段時間了"},{"start":2840.802,"end":2847.568,"text":"沒有錯他其實是拿到執照以後他才可以拿到可以試運轉阿對啊他拿到執照變更的執照之後變更完之後才能申請要申請運轉在申請運轉的這個前面過程才能所謂的試營運才能真正去達到他的一個方向現在到所謂的試運轉階段都還沒到喔"},{"start":2866.005,"end":2866.586,"text":"我會請能源署跟委員再做詳細的說明"},{"start":2892.861,"end":2912.164,"text":"你每次都說說明每次都說說明可是說明到現在我得不到任何的資訊我得不到任何的資訊我只有看到一路的包庇市政府也在包庇中央政府也在包庇然後呢地方呢地方所有民眾苦不堪言然後被這些爆炸聲被這些光點嚇死了"},{"start":2921.075,"end":2921.095,"text":"委員長"},{"start":2951.155,"end":2952.076,"text":"事實上要有SOP嗎?"},{"start":2973.431,"end":2987.262,"text":"其他的電廠人家都要走到哪裡變更到哪裡就只有申報可以一次到位然後一次提出申請沒有啦他一定都是按照相關的我告訴你部長你還在幫他你又不知道資訊你怎麼在幫他呢什麼叫我已經一次兩次三次在這裡提出了這些問題你們還搞不清楚"},{"start":2999.259,"end":3004.183,"text":"你們是裝作不知道甚至在審預算的時候我也要求審預算的裡面內容已經有附帶決議你們也不管嗎你們也不管嗎那今天還沒變更完成都還沒去開地方說明會他就可以試營運喔他好大喔他好大我好怕還有你們今天"},{"start":3025.987,"end":3042.355,"text":"我要求在他們自己未來在我們民營電廠所有要自己去所謂回饋的這個40%的部分我們要怎麼做監督這些監督的SOP在哪裡到目前為止一個月了也沒有資料"},{"start":3043.479,"end":3043.519,"text":"委員會委員會"},{"start":3069.141,"end":3075.123,"text":"謝謝陳婷菲陳委員好我們下一位請楊瓊英楊委員發言這期本期想邀請漁業署一起好了跟部長好嗎好因為只有5加1謝謝請我們王部長跟我們漁業署劉組長"},{"start":3102.091,"end":3112.295,"text":"委員長,我們在109年11月29日的新聞看到,非本國籍的臭沙船在澎湖淺灘,金門跟馬祖"},{"start":3119.798,"end":3119.938,"text":"李慧琼議員"},{"start":3146.038,"end":3157.412,"text":"未經許可,以船舶或其他機械設備的方式,在我國的淚水及領海,依照我們台灣地區人民關係條例第29條的第二項公告,"},{"start":3164.32,"end":3179.907,"text":"這個公告非常清楚,也就是說金門馬祖海沙地區的限制禁止水域採取土石執行者也明定了犯罪用的船舶或其他機械設備,經判決沒收確定,得視其情況、個案需要為適當處置"},{"start":3191.772,"end":3216.824,"text":"以懲不法以受嚇阻的作用部長你頻頻點頭所以本席要請教那麼在於漁業署的立場針對於末路船隻的後續處理到底是拍賣或者是當漁交那漁業署你有什麼樣的完善的規劃以避免留在那邊干擾了我們的港口的一個運作請教部長"},{"start":3220.293,"end":3237.76,"text":"跟委員報告在過去行政院有開過會議有相關的就這個漁船被沒入部分有相關的這樣的一個程序有拍賣有這樣的一個可能有拍賣那可能有做一個國防部有做一個這個這個把船那另外漁業署部分的我們也有盤點"},{"start":3238.76,"end":3242.681,"text":"部長我們的法律明明規定有這樣的一個處理方式所以本期具體建立我們必須要積極作為因為港口是很寶貴如果放在那邊不理它那會影響到我們整個港口的運作好不好"},{"start":3266.308,"end":3266.909,"text":"本席要請教部長"},{"start":3288.77,"end":3309.318,"text":"部長我們實質討論我也一直在跟你討論就是說我們要跟世界接軌2050年淨零排放的目標那臺電跟歐洲商會也發表了淨零入境的報告書在這個情況之下針對於氫能、電動車、能源儲存、電網升級跟風險管理、太陽能、發電"},{"start":3316.161,"end":3318.783,"text":"封閉發電機的葉片回收封閉發電機的葉片回收封閉發電機的葉片回收封閉發電機的葉片回收封閉發電機的葉片回收封閉發電機的葉片回收"},{"start":3343.698,"end":3344.818,"text":"前十大的排碳大戶的前三名是誰?"},{"start":3370.735,"end":3397.473,"text":"這是公布的資料跟委員報告我們看到的是台塑、中鋼、台積電等等你第一個是台電你為什麼不講但是因為台電它是發電給別人用所以在現在的碳費裡面是不包括台電的但是它是源頭啊本集跟你所說的是排碳大戶請針對議題回答排碳大戶不是有收跟沒有收"},{"start":3399.315,"end":3416.238,"text":"接下來我們再來討論那跟前一年的排名是大致相同但是我們減碳的壓力他是有增無減所以我做兩年度的一個比較能救前十大還是前十大"},{"start":3417.559,"end":3420.241,"text":"壓力一直大,但是前時代還是前時代,我們政府有什麼作為呢?本席要請教,在2024年開始要開增碳費,實質上是在2025年正式收費,所以正式進入了排碳的有價時代。"},{"start":3439.035,"end":3445.116,"text":"好 所以針對於我們國營事業也是排碳大戶的情況之下本席要聽部長你有合作為具體的規劃來要求相關的前十大要怎麼樣近鄰這個轉型能夠成為一個表率呢尤其是我們國營事業單位請做說明"},{"start":3460.82,"end":3463.481,"text":"中油在前十大他是第十名公司是第十名所以兩年度比照起來他都是在前十名所以本席針對本席的問題提問你要怎麼樣去讓他們具體"},{"start":3487.529,"end":3498.135,"text":"有方案去讓他們去排除在前十大因為壓力越來越大那我們的作為本身要聽到的是我們的作為是什麼呢因為委員針對國營事業那台電的部分在我們目前的為止所以為什麼我們要爭氣才可以減煤所以我們也同意"},{"start":3509.241,"end":3512.663,"text":"爭氣乃在兩年後中我必須要演一期演檔開這個是我們共同中央地方合作也要謝謝那接下來你什麼作為呢再來就是說相關的這個減碳的這個作為呢其實各個廠或者是各個公司裡面呢其實我們都定期在追蹤他們有做減碳那中油公司也是一樣這個都是我們配合這個相關的一定要做的"},{"start":3537.876,"end":3543.62,"text":"那包括甚至不是這個國營事業的中鋼我們也是強烈要求中鋼要積極減碳那事實上我們去盤點這個十大的這個碳排的這個大戶呢在這幾年裡都有在很積極的做減碳但是像有一些的部分不容易減的部分呢就要去找新的方法所以在鋼鐵業的部分中鋼中農部分呢我們的現在都在積極用這個相關的這個鋼料呢做比較"},{"start":3567.416,"end":3572.6,"text":"本期之所以問這個題目主要如果政府帶頭做相關的私人企業等他們會跟著所以本期希望政府要有所作為能夠當我們整個經濟的一個表率這個非常重要所以因此"},{"start":3595.217,"end":3601.74,"text":"我們一起努力那你也把你們目前所做的具體方案送一份書面資料給本席最後我給你一個功課我還是要拜託因為在我們所有的中小企業裡頭我們現在也努力像我們亞談神他們努力在做發表了40家未來我們會更努力希望下一次部長你可以來給我們鼓勵鼓勵"},{"start":3621.269,"end":3647.425,"text":"那但是我們所有的中小企業還是很緊張還是多數不清楚因為成本問題非常的重要尤其在我們中部地區整個機械類別我相信布達你清楚很緊張做兩天做三天修四天修五天已經呈現所以我希望政府要好好的來協助我們我們一起加油好不好是的謝謝"},{"start":3650.148,"end":3673.389,"text":"好,謝謝楊瓊英、楊委員。那下一位請翁崇鈞,我們那個翁委員質詢。我請部長還有議會署的組長。那部長我因為時間的關係齁,我想就簡單啦齁。第一個就是我們上次去加疫考察的時候沒有到,但是"},{"start":3675.256,"end":3697.652,"text":"那些署的署長他是有去的但是在那些當中我們考慮到要做一個就是大概類似綠能的教育示範的這樣的一個區域那要用到我們的台塘的土地新莊治洪池的保渾後來我們跟台塘這邊接觸之後我們才了解到說原來這個部分"},{"start":3699.053,"end":3717.911,"text":"現在他是做給我們經濟部去評價的,所以我在想你回去的時候,可以不可以再交代我們能源署這邊,因為在現場裡面他是有答應,但是我們希望說這個部分因為屬於台廠的部分,我們原先是以為是台廠的嘛,現在是我們來台中做我們經濟部,所以這個博文是不是你可以回答?"},{"start":3721.835,"end":3733.345,"text":"能源署的署長又署長再提一下這個部分希望他能夠繼續支持一下好不好好好謝謝委員好第二件事情我們現在去看的很多的這個漁電共生的案子"},{"start":3734.352,"end":3755.006,"text":"同時這和能源署也有關係,但是我們漁電共生的部分加一些希望能夠變成一個白蝦的故鄉,所以我們是希望來推動白蝦這種的養殖,漁電共生裡面用白蝦的養殖來作為我們一個示範區,那好不容易我們也協調了我們的業者"},{"start":3755.846,"end":3776.519,"text":"讓他同意把一個區域劃出來作為一個示範區因為他還是有一些他的專利所以他不太願意給業者去參觀但是後來他願意提供一個區域這個部分我想就是經濟部跟業主這一邊你們應該要做一個充分的配合"},{"start":3777.219,"end":3788.235,"text":"一個就是說它是一個分成一個室外的一個是室內的這種養殖一電公升的養殖但是背後其實就是說在現場在那裡吃的人在說一百塊有時候存不到一百啦"},{"start":3792.501,"end":3801.088,"text":"所以根本預承力很低,這是一個很重要的課題,所以業屬這邊,你們跟經濟部要怎麼去做一個配合,怎麼搭配,我們要把它做一個示範區之後,我們像這些種苗的取得,我們養殖的過程,科技的監測,這些都是屬於你們要去統籌去做一個規劃的。"},{"start":3816.079,"end":3833.052,"text":"從來這個部分都可以成功,所以我在這邊科查的時候我特別強調說我過去上一屆我在當立委的時候我特別提到要做一個餘電共生的示範區就是說在嘉義的沿海所在,現在我們是雲嘉南三個縣市變成一個示範區"},{"start":3834.153,"end":3850.621,"text":"我希望這個工作部長跟業主這邊跟農業部這邊你們要充分配合來合作推動這個工作讓我們白鄉的故鄉這個夢能夠實現也讓我們的伊甸公村能夠有一個真正的可以落實的一個地方做示範好不好"},{"start":3851.694,"end":3873.089,"text":"好 謝謝委員那委員去看就知道現在漁電共生慢慢成效出來那確實可以讓這個白蝦的這個生產那個存活率高非常多那這個部分我們會跟漁業署積極來這個看這個怎麼樣讓更多的人可以知道這一些的怎麼樣漁業署長我希望你回去你也要跟部長再提一下好不好因為時間的關係我就執行到這裡"},{"start":3879.172,"end":3904.153,"text":"好那謝謝翁崇鈞翁委員那我的諮詢就最後一個了我最後一個諮詢那我們下一位請蘇志芬蘇委員諮詢蘇志芬蘇委員不在蘇志芬委員不在好那下一位請邱奕穎委員邱奕穎委員邱奕穎委員不在請李桂民委員李桂民委員李桂民委員不在請陳焦華委員諮詢"},{"start":3913.9,"end":3917.422,"text":"好 謝謝主席 請部長有請部長好 委員好 部長早是部長今天我們來看就是土砂歷史那之前我也質詢過就是有關土砂歷史的問題包括它的採取還有它的"},{"start":3942.353,"end":3957.798,"text":"運送,如果很難管理,或者是管理不當了,就是會很容易受到廢棄物的混合,然後或者是作為廢棄物的這種掩蓋的工具"},{"start":3958.778,"end":3984.413,"text":"不當掩埋的掩蓋的工具所以今天就是希望經濟部能夠瞭解這個問題然後瞭解如果說我們把它國有化國有化能夠來阻止避免這個不當的情到那部長你認為這個做法上或者是說在台北港我們目前有開放"},{"start":3985.793,"end":4001.685,"text":"因建土石方的這個﹐不必到土資廠去那這個制度面我們怎麼樣來做更進一步改善能夠讓這樣的做法能夠更普遍"},{"start":4003.498,"end":4018.074,"text":"謝謝委員那我的了解是委員也有在這陣子針對這個希望能夠朝這個方向來走那這個部分後續呢行政院會邀請這個經濟部內政部等等會來討論怎麼樣做好更好的管理是"},{"start":4022.778,"end":4045.18,"text":"所以就是說未來會有更妥適的做法部長再請教因為我剛從COP28的會議回來這一次我們知道明天COP28就要結束目前有幾個方向就是包括再生能源希望能夠有"},{"start":4047.663,"end":4054.496,"text":"變成到2030年有變成現在的三倍那部長你覺得這個部分我們做得到嗎"},{"start":4056.101,"end":4079.013,"text":"謝謝委員那確實再生能源是這一個一百二十幾個國家的這個共識那這個跟本部或者台灣在推動再生能源是一樣的方向所以再生能源上來之後現在已經增加為七倍但是相對的我們還是有很大的空間要去努力所以再生能源我想應該是"},{"start":4080.154,"end":4084.397,"text":"大家不要用政治的角度來看而是這個是臺灣一定要做那企業的需求也是很大所以在2030年的企業的需求面我們持續盤點那確實是被國際上的供應內的要求也好被國際社會的要求也好應該都是要加大來發展再生能源"},{"start":4100.788,"end":4106.253,"text":"這次也有22國參與國,其中大部分都是第一位國提出核能的問題,核能加倍的問題。但是他們在說明裡面也是說能夠妥善的處理和廢料。"},{"start":4121.067,"end":4122.248,"text":"臺灣的問題也比較比較難以解決的問題那不要講遠的我們現在聯合二的"},{"start":4142.159,"end":4143.58,"text":"臺灣的部分一個是安全一個是核廢料的問題那在22國的這個提議裡面確實也提到說要把核廢料這個處理好那載著這個22國的提議最主要是對未來核能"},{"start":4164.073,"end":4165.353,"text":"所以我們目前絕對沒有辦法去處理這些核廢料尤其是高階的這個核廢料對不對"},{"start":4191.842,"end":4215.22,"text":"現在目前的狀況就是連核二的部分都還沒有但是部長你了解這個實際上的困難是什麼核二的這個乾式儲存的問題現在的困難是什麼呢我想這個部分都涉及到中央跟地方的規範那目前是我們地方的相關的核准的各項的證照都還沒有完全拿到所以這個是個問題"},{"start":4216.801,"end":4235.939,"text":"所以是地方政府的證照那個核准的這個使用執照還沒有給嗎?對,他那個土石採取的相關的證好,那COVID-28還有一個很重要的議題就是在2030年每年每年的這個能源效率能夠提升一倍那這個我們做得到嗎?"},{"start":4236.939,"end":4241.262,"text":"不過這一次德國應該是他們一個團體所做出來我們的評比我們的指標永續指標評比是後退後退步退步好幾名"},{"start":4266.44,"end":4284.585,"text":"但是我是看到這個情形可能是我們的工業的這個碳排還是很多那這個部分就是產業轉型的問題我們經濟部是不是還要更加油否則我們的碳排應該都下不來"},{"start":4285.833,"end":4307.543,"text":"這個有好幾個問題那不同的這個評估的單位他的那個指標不太一樣那這一個的一直對台灣的評比都非常後面甚至在我們後面還有加拿大還有韓國那所以他的相關的指標的部分那其實都環境部都有做過相關的說明但是不論如何對台灣來講我們還是要積極來做相關的檢探工作"},{"start":4311.685,"end":4335.913,"text":"雖然陳儒部長說的就是我們的評比是一個問題但是我們真正的碳排還是在增加那這個部分希望能夠照COP28的這個可能未來這兩天最要做的決議就是能源的效率提升再次能源能夠加倍等等但是我們很重要產業轉型還是要請經濟部要加油"},{"start":4338.934,"end":4363.442,"text":"是是好謝謝好謝謝主席好謝謝陳焦華委員那我們下一位請王美惠委員王美惠委員王美惠委員不在請游玉蘭委員游玉蘭委員游玉蘭委員不在請廖婉如委員廖婉如委員廖婉如委員不在請邱承元委員邱承元委員邱承元委員不在好我們下一位請邱志偉委員發言"},{"start":4373.803,"end":4374.528,"text":"來 謝謝主席 請王部長 請部長"},{"start":4383.756,"end":4406.391,"text":"委員長,雖然選舉投票剩下一個月,但是還是要堅守崗位,一定要,服務員的工作一定不會受到選舉任何的影響,該來我就是會來,該質詢還是要質詢,該審查法案還是要審查法案。今天第一個問題請教部長,就是說有些對核能的想法,"},{"start":4407.532,"end":4427.233,"text":"現在這個全球對核能的見解或者這個對未來趨勢有不同的看法特別是這個歐盟把這個視為歷練的一部分那核能可能跟過去的核能有不同的樣態不同的方式那不是像過去核一核二核三核四這種"},{"start":4428.874,"end":4449.956,"text":"那可能他未來安全性會更足夠那未來呢我們在能源轉型過程中有沒有可能調整政策把這個未來的核能視為未來這個發電的選項之一或者未來的核能視為這個綠電的一部分有沒有可能朝這個方向"},{"start":4451.156,"end":4459.823,"text":"第一個歐盟其實他是把他核能當作永續能源分裂他最主要是在針對銀行在講永續的時候對核能的機組能不能做相關的貸款等等那歐盟是在這個部分得出一個比較肯定的一個結論但是我們理解他們在討論過程其實爭議也是很大"},{"start":4473.976,"end":4477.658,"text":"對未來的核能事實上我們也都很關心相關未來的發展那台灣核能的兩個問題一個是足不足夠安全一個是核廢料怎麼處理所以未來的技術我們都密切觀察那如果能夠產出很少的廢料甚至沒有廢料這種的核融合技術呢那我們其實都是會樂觀其成"},{"start":4502.313,"end":4507.697,"text":"所以對臺灣來講的話臺灣其實我們目前的現狀就是光現在的這個核二機組的相關核廢料的要去蓋這個乾除的設施都還沒有拿到證照那所以其實臺灣應該是要務實來面對這些問題那也真的應該中央地方大家應該一起合作所以有些在野黨說那如果他們當選會重啟核四你覺得從技術上是可行嗎?有可能嗎?"},{"start":4532.408,"end":4537.711,"text":"合適的部分其實我們說過很多次他不僅是有潛在地址需要調查那合適因為在建的這個過程那確實是這個比較拼湊式的發包那所以造成現在完成的部分事實上原來的廠商也都解散了那他的這個中央電腦的這個部分事實上是沒有完成"},{"start":4559.744,"end":4577.262,"text":"何時重寫的機率幾乎趨近於零?參考鄰近國家,比方日本南韓的做法,他們對未來核能的看法跟政策有沒有什麼相關的新的做法?"},{"start":4578.272,"end":4602.35,"text":"他們在這個日本因為確實在這個福島之後那因為核機組停了那讓他們電力不夠所以日本有讓一些電力在恢復因為他使用期限也還沒有到所以讓他恢復那韓國的部分因為也確實在發展他們的核能產業那另外其實地質環境我們跟韓國相對韓國是比較穩定"},{"start":4607.533,"end":4622.9,"text":"對比我們穩定所以第一個他在發展核能的技術第二個他的地質比較穩定所以韓國就也說要還是有核能的技術那我想我們對未來的核能的部分的新技術我們都會密切來觀察"},{"start":4624.315,"end":4648.04,"text":"那立委之前我請教您關於這個臺積電1.4奈米的這個建廠計畫當然這個很多縣市都希望在爭取當然在爭取過程中是一定比區委的條件那個條件比較好當然這個高雄應當目前為止本期的了解應該是首選其實應該是嘉義吧其實才是嘉義"},{"start":4650.867,"end":4653.188,"text":"首選是高雄,從水電、地質環境、交通、產業居留來看,目前有沒有訂案?"},{"start":4672.495,"end":4696.929,"text":"中游的這一塊地目前再改一個場那是二奈米往北一點就喬克科學園區的第二期那個部分大概也是台南土地大概有一百多公頃原本是爭取要做產業園區現在這個市政府希望說能夠先超前部署預先規劃做喬克第二期這個你們也同意那你們另外一塊要補給我就產業園區你另外一塊補給我"},{"start":4701.811,"end":4717.859,"text":"未來是不是把那個區塊視為作為二耐敏的一個建廠的一定地我想市政府跟我們地方有很強烈的需求有強烈的希望那我們也都準備好了水電各方面都沒有問題"},{"start":4719.199,"end":4748.169,"text":"那未來臺積電是不是有朝這個方向去思考或規劃這個也取決於這個主管機關的意見如果部長或經濟部能夠推薦或支持往這個方向我想他們有2奈米再加1.4奈米那產業居多成型那對高雄成為未來的S2代或是高雄市成為未來的護國城市這非常重要"},{"start":4748.709,"end":4752.371,"text":"目前部長您的看法是怎麼樣?謝謝委員那確實未來的這個1.4要設在哪裡有幾個大方向一個是廠商的布局第二個部分是相關的客觀條件包括土地水電那當然第三個還有包括地方的支持所以這幾個條件都不可或缺那我想這個委員極力推薦那這個我們都一定會在評估的時候會反映出來"},{"start":4776.647,"end":4776.767,"text":"立法院議員"},{"start":4795.141,"end":4822.012,"text":"還是以這個臺積電他們建廠的需求跟規劃為主但是我們還是希望說這個能夠協助這個經濟部能夠協助特別是不管是嘉義或者是高雄我們都在南臺灣嘛南臺灣這嘉義可以未來成為這個跟臺南高雄成為一個財政俱樂園也可以但高雄也更不錯啦所以我們大家一起努力好 謝謝委員是好"},{"start":4826.136,"end":4853.358,"text":"謝謝部長,謝謝邱委員。來,因為剛才拜託邱委員幫我主席,所以我剛才很客氣。好,謝謝主席。那我們是不是有請我們經濟部我們王部長。經濟部王部長。"},{"start":4860.214,"end":4876.968,"text":"委員好部長好部長那因為我前幾天也有跟你反應齁因為現在中國對於這個半導體齁這個晶圓廠他們現在叫做攻擊性投資那這個他們這個攻擊性投資咧他們是針對所謂的成熟製程而不是像台積電這樣的先進製程"},{"start":4878.849,"end":4899.125,"text":"那他們大量的在成熟製程裡面要去搶攻他們的市佔率那他們也抓住他們的目標就是今年就要從29%把他拉到33%那相對的成熟製程我們的市佔率可能會因為中國的搶攻市場那我們的市佔率會下降"},{"start":4902.407,"end":4921.337,"text":"2024年底中國還預計要成立三四二做大型的一個晶圓廠那我現在比較擔心的就是說當中國在做這樣攻擊性投資半導體的成熟製程的這個階段我們想像中國的官方他們因為會用補助然後去壓低他們的成本"},{"start":4921.997,"end":4937.05,"text":"那如果在這樣的情勢之下,未來我們會不會擔心半導體的成熟製程會像過去的LED啦,或者是類似太陽能的相關的組件,因為中國用所謂的銷價競爭的模式,然後讓我們台灣的競爭力逐漸下降。"},{"start":4942.842,"end":4946.284,"text":"謝謝委員那這個也確實是國際社會上非常關切的議題那對台灣來講這個在成熟製程這個部分我們有幾個方向一個就是說即使是成熟製程我們希望它更多的是成熟裡面的特殊製程"},{"start":4960.43,"end":4964.871,"text":"那特殊製程他其實都要跟客戶要做相對接的研發跟驗測那這樣的話才能夠確保說我們仍然持續可以當作國際的重要供應鏈那第二個部分從明年開始的精創計畫也希望對我們的半導體不管是在製造端的或者是在IC設計端的能夠再往前推進而且再跟國際供應鏈更合作那這個確實是"},{"start":4991.179,"end":4996.988,"text":"這個民主自由國家大家也都在思考怎麼樣一起合作來應對部長沒有錯就是說現在全世界國家都看到中國為了他們現在"},{"start":5002.895,"end":5009.197,"text":"他們在現金製程他們大概競爭力拚不過我們台積電所以已經成熟製程這一塊已經被大量的去投入那他們也是想要用這個當武器去掐住全球半導體的供應鏈因為現在所謂的成熟製程包括車用晶片包括一些AI事實上"},{"start":5025.703,"end":5037.994,"text":"因為現在的市佔率還是全球的75%以上都是用成熟製程那如果未來這一塊被中國掐住了一個市佔率那他們再用銷價競爭的一個模式我覺得這件事情是應該要被擔心的"},{"start":5043.478,"end":5068.009,"text":"那所以我們除了自己要精進嘛我們相信臺灣我們除了臺積電護國神山我們還有更多像聯電啊像力積啊力積電他們這些也都是護國群山那我要跟部長具體建議啦我具體建議的就是說我們對於成熟製程如果他們的設備或人才臺灣的設備或人才要到要輸往中國"},{"start":5070.53,"end":5075.794,"text":"要輸往中國那如果中國的這個廠商他們背後有官方色彩的話我覺得我們至少要"},{"start":5078.994,"end":5100.928,"text":"於要有備查或者是審查這兩個強度當然並不是不讓他過去但是他要過去的時候至少要讓我們經濟部可以精準的抓到哪一些設備商可能會跟中國的攻擊性投資會去兜在一起這件事情我覺得部長是不是我們應該認真來思考一下"},{"start":5101.508,"end":5105.452,"text":"做這樣的一個管制那這個也是很輕度的管制那至少保護我們臺灣的半導體成熟製程我覺得這個是不是應該來屬客礦嗎好謝謝委員那這個有一點細膩那我想這個也需要跟相關的國家一起來協商那不過委員的建議的部分我們會回去來大力來思考"},{"start":5124.07,"end":5126.571,"text":"我認為保證這個保安我們應該要早點防範未然因為我們知道中國他就不是跟你做公平競爭阿第一個他們狂過去的海盜王國因為他們有可能就把你整個照抄他也不管你所謂的智慧財產權中國不理這一塊阿既然不理這一塊的話如果我們台灣去"},{"start":5148.215,"end":5163.912,"text":"去參與了他的我們提供設備我們雖然是賣給他設備但是後來他未來他不需要了他就自己做了他就自己做了然後變成台灣去加速了中國成熟製程的進展這個我們要小心好不好部長所以我跟他這題我們要趕快提出我們台灣的因應措施好不好"},{"start":5170.979,"end":5171.879,"text":"經濟部及相關部會、國科會在考慮加疫,包括再生水廠、海淡廠"},{"start":5188.864,"end":5189.225,"text":"李卓人議員"},{"start":5208.484,"end":5212.148,"text":"範圍是不是可以把我們相關因為嘉義科學園區旁邊就是馬酬後我們是不是可以把馬酬後也納入所謂再生水的一個範圍那以提高未來這些科技廠它需要再生水的一個水量"},{"start":5224.82,"end":5248.184,"text":"是那這個部分應該就是說不要只科學員國科會只管科學園區那委員講的很好就是說如果附近的這一些可以連在一起來思考這個再生水的話那會比較有效率可以再提高因為嘉義的科學園區跟馬籌號大概距離不到不到3公里他相對是很近的所以我們可以如果把這兩個園區用一個一個大"},{"start":5251.545,"end":5251.605,"text":"﹚立法院議員"},{"start":5269.566,"end":5272.128,"text":"拜託部長把我們加以新酒,替我們繼續美顏。我想我們嘉義也希望像邱委員一樣,所說的就是說,我們半導體的整個產業的南帶,南台灣這邊是一個整體佈局,這個整體佈局,大概最北端就是嘉義。"},{"start":5290.426,"end":5314.321,"text":"就是整個藍科創造的這個半導體的藍帶那我們嘉義應該也是要加入這一份子好不好是是好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝不是嘉義就是高雄了這個部長這個特別是剛剛這個提到這個成熟製程的人才跟設備輸出之前我也跟你反映過今天這個主席趙偉也提出"},{"start":5314.821,"end":5339.099,"text":"希望說是不是能夠一個月之內針對成熟製程的部分未來如果你不做相當管制它可能未來這個會佔到市佔率50%所以針對這個成熟製程的這個設備人才的輸出你一定要有相關的管制不管是事前審查還是剛剛這個趙委所說的事後的查備或者是備查都有相關的機制你不能完全沒有管制"},{"start":5339.759,"end":5340.179,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":5379.203,"end":5404.681,"text":"部長可以感受到現在都是高雄跟嘉義在關心半導體的未來發展我們都很關心現在除了登記發言委員不在場之外其餘已發言完畢,詢答結束"},{"start":5407.833,"end":5416.76,"text":"委員李玉玲所提書面諮詢列入紀錄刊登公報那未及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會好我們現在討論事項所列議案詢答結束現在進行逐條討論請宣讀條文宣讀完畢後再進行協商請宣讀"},{"start":5433.052,"end":5455.559,"text":"土石採取法修正條文第36條未經許可採取土石者處心臺幣一百萬元以上五百萬元以下罰還持霞市縣市主管機關並得限期令其辦理整複及清除其設施藉其人為遵行者按日連續處心臺幣十萬元以上一百萬元以下罰還至遵行為止並莫"},{"start":5456.759,"end":5484.487,"text":"並沒入其設施或機具必要時得由直轄市縣市主管機關代為整複及清除其設施其費用由行為人負擔未經許可以船舶或其他機械設備方式在下列區域採取土石者處一年以上七年以下有其圖形得併科新台幣一億元以下罰金一中華民國內水不含內陸水域及領海二一臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第29條第二項規定"},{"start":5486.388,"end":5513.928,"text":"公告之金門,含東定烏丘,馬祖,含東影亮島,及南沙地區之縣至禁止水域。公前向犯罪用之船舶或其他機械設備,不問屬於犯罪行為人與否,沒收之。其經判決沒收確定,得釋個案情節需要拍賣或變賣,或專案報准依下列方式之一處置之,依無償流公公用,二廢棄,三為其他適當之處置。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":5518.439,"end":5531.405,"text":"好那我們現在來處理我們現在就是處理《土石採取法》第36條的修正草案那請問各位委員對於這個修正條文有無意見"},{"start":5534.246,"end":5559.077,"text":"那我先說明一下齁這個因為我的提案捏齁他這個條文跟在內政部通過的經濟海域及大陸交程法第18條的條文原則修正方向是一致但是他們在委員會審查的時候條文的內容有增加一個字就是公權向犯罪用之傳播或其他"},{"start":5560.584,"end":5585.102,"text":"機器設備不論屬於犯罪行為者與否沒收之其經濟﹐其經判決沒收確定者所以他有多一個者跟我所提案的條文差一個字就是增加這一個者那我們是不是在體力上一致我們如果這個條文等下各位委員沒有意見通過的話基於讓他體力一致我們也是增加這一個者這一個字好"},{"start":5586.724,"end":5596.072,"text":"那請問各位委員對於這樣的修正條文有什麼意見嗎那來邱委員這個這是屬於從嚴從嚴的做法部長這個"},{"start":5602.378,"end":5617.818,"text":"如果這樣修對非法在我們這個戳殺船違法這個戳殺行為它的遏制的程度會更強強度會更強那這個部分能不能說出這個能不能有一些數據說"},{"start":5619.576,"end":5642.772,"text":"去年我們沒錄的這個抽燒產都大概有幾燒因為我們重研之後我們大概會沒錄多少燒過去因為沒有修法沒有沒錄因為他不是犯罪行為的人他跟犯罪行為的人船主跟犯罪行為的人沒有關係所以這個部分能不能先講一下這個"},{"start":5643.933,"end":5644.133,"text":"委員好"},{"start":5672.2,"end":5696.874,"text":"特別跟委員報告,剛剛垂詢了有關於這個末路事實上我們在109年到112年到目前為止大陸抽砂船大概我們查扣6艘之前是有末路4艘那這次會修這個法最主要是說因為其中有一艘那個地方法院判決是就是"},{"start":5697.95,"end":5706.196,"text":"不沒路啊所以說前面原來有4艘都已經沒路了那這個法修修了之後其實很重要的一點就是說"},{"start":5707.967,"end":5733.857,"text":"未來我們在就是只要查庫然後法院如果說依照這個條文能夠就是直接沒入的話那對我們在執法上幫助會很大那對我們尤其是土石採取法修正以後這個法律比較完備了那我想這個是有關你沒入的部分跟沒收那另外最主要特別跟委員報告其實我們原來從109年開始"},{"start":5736.678,"end":5759.617,"text":"到現在原來傳原來越界的部分我們區裡有3991艘那到了11年就變224艘那到了112目前來講大概7艘那這會減少的原因也是11年因為有修訂有重罰我剛剛有練到裡面有重罰的部分那現在是針對末路的部分我這次修完以後我想未來在整個"},{"start":5760.838,"end":5782.665,"text":"徵定了不問屬於犯罪行為的與否默入之,那這一部分就比較更能有效嚇阻不法仇殺行為以上跟委員特別報告那請問邱委員對於剛剛的說明那針對條文的內容,柯委員有其他意見嗎?"},{"start":5784.773,"end":5799.91,"text":"那沒有的話那是我們在第三項的部分就是文字上呃增加一個一個字齁則齁讓他體力是一致的那我們是不是這個條文土石採取法第三十六條就按修正文字齁通過好"},{"start":5803.612,"end":5832.039,"text":"好那就條文通過好那我們今天討論所列議案審查完郡擬郡審查報告提報院會討論請問需不需交由黨團協商好那不需要的話我們就不需交黨團協商那院會討論時由本席說明通過這條文及相關法制用與授權主席及議事人員整理好我們議程所列議案處理完據散會"},{"start":5840,"end":5840.32,"text":"副主席"},{"start":5867.526,"end":5867.626,"text":"主席"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}