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這欺騙人才是欺騙人 另外我永遠都站在坐在這裡好 他有在理事 學長楊碧雄他也有寫一些東西雖然對我來講 我感覺他的攻擊 我覺得我都無所謂因為每一個人都有發言的前提的義務我尊重你的發言 那我也不會說誰罵我 我就是自己的學長或是"},{"start":2550.698,"end":2560.87,"text":"讓跟他處得非常不愉快,尤其在選舉再集的時候,難免各黨對於他所比較在意的部分,比如中國介入選舉,這問題是很嚴重。"},{"start":2564.362,"end":2581.219,"text":"那當然這個讓陸委員要叫陸委員說明清楚,海軍會說明清楚,凍結,但後來他也撤案了。彼此都有這種現象,今天不管怎麼樣"},{"start":2582.711,"end":2609.343,"text":"也關於三年海區會、四年海區會的預算,因為黨團在開期的會議,我從來是不去開期的會議,所以很重大事情。所以我們黨團每天都有幹事長及書記長,那郭文亮也是一樣,三黨天天開期就罵我們,我們就回禁回去。這個地方每天也要保守會議,所謂的在黨公職、執行黨、執行黨當然必須忍受嘛。"},{"start":2610.644,"end":2633.626,"text":"在野黨挑戰執政黨,這是天經地義。那執政黨的回應也是天經地義。那我覺得大可不必如此做文章。當然今天比較就是說,他們提案是謝宥鴻委員簽的。也就是說他該黨的文章到底是正宗總召要簽名嗎?那這是不知道為什麼全部謝宥鴻簽名。"},{"start":2635.834,"end":2651.648,"text":"那於是乎我們的剛才市長就以這個東西來被協調委員有些維持,有些維持乃至於攻擊,那把吳亦寧找來了,那這個都是選舉操作啦"},{"start":2653.117,"end":2670.672,"text":"那像我當總召有習慣做提案要我簽名,但我們都會勾力啦。基本上比較不適合的我們內部會處理。那今天不管怎麼樣,第一個這沒有所謂不尊重院長。"},{"start":2671.738,"end":2687.205,"text":"那以院長不測,朝委長照的攻防,也沒有所謂不尊重立法院,都沒有。也沒有所謂不尊重朝委協商,只能勉強可以講說,這樣的話對於朝委協商分為會有些質辯而已啦。"},{"start":2691.367,"end":2711.784,"text":"我們常常在這裡吵一場,我們常常有跟邱永志、跟國民黨常常噢噢鬧,上個禮拜也跟邱英樹也噢噢鬧,這難免了吧。協商在之間大家有不同意見表達,只是講話聲量以及講話道理的問題來評斷這些事情而已。那這些都會直播了,誰都可以看得到。所以我比較傾向於就是說,"},{"start":2713.564,"end":2716.606,"text":"所以算起來這個禮拜一、二、三、四、五天,下禮拜一、二"},{"start":2744.248,"end":2760.403,"text":"一、二、三、一、二、七公共天。七個公共天我們要處理哪些事情?第一個,要把總預算先處理完畢。那總預算現在大概兩、三天按了,又不會再進一再一溝通。"},{"start":2761.536,"end":2790.349,"text":"那剩下我們還有法案要處理,包括防護稅條例,那本來今天要跟戰友要跟他們談有關守護稅扣除的問題,都要談嘛。所以還有一些法案還有預算,在這個七個共同點裡面要全部預完整。坦白講這本來就是一個非常緊迫的行為。那我估計也有要談到加班啊,等等問題。"},{"start":2791.55,"end":2812.321,"text":"那今天走了以後,勢必又壓縮了,剩下六個工作天,這是何其緊張的時候。我還在這裡,我今天有打電話跟陳明中講說,那這個擦槍走火的事情很難免的嘛。政治、工房、服務也要麻煩,也一定的。其實記者也沒有在說好話啦。"},{"start":2814.142,"end":2842.675,"text":"我常常被罵,但是我當了一個執政黨總召的話,我是覺得敵人攻擊是我身上的信章,我也不會憂慘畏懼每一個人都可以,這邊罵來罵去都可以,所以我還是在這裡很懇求拜託國民黨,不然再一次跑去還是請院長或是秘書長我們一起,假如今天不適合再回來的話"},{"start":2843.735,"end":2846.257,"text":"明天表決以後是不是有機會我們再回頭坐下來好好談?"},{"start":2860.732,"end":2883.818,"text":"我會找村民眾委員再去當面跟他溝通。我希望我們都有共同責任。雖然走了以後,剩下我們三個在這裡期待,這個要四個人才會成交,大家一起來見國民黨回來協商。這是我的基本立場。"},{"start":2886.439,"end":2910.368,"text":"有關之間的攻防我想我們不可能為了這個事情可以私下去溝通了解可以但是已經大家逼得罵來罵去就已經負損然所了那我還是會希望我們黨團在最後這一個禮拜的時間那委員之間彼此的"},{"start":2911.397,"end":2939.402,"text":"的工房還是少一點,要罵整個政黨對立的來談嘛,大家都都是董事嘛,也許有人再過幾天以後,休會以後,就在立法院已經以後再也不會見面,那所以還是臨時大家協商難免會有這樣,還是要雞熊下足"},{"start":2940.382,"end":2958.116,"text":"要對這個總預算、要對這個所有法案來負責,我們希望第十屆能夠在如期在19號以後,發一個美好的Ending,那把總預算以及法案該處理都處理完畢,以上。"},{"start":2963.581,"end":2991.158,"text":"這個我們的立場其實非常簡單因為總預算當然就是一定這個預算當然是一定要審那這個再怎麼樣的問題的話都應該到黨團協商這邊來談那這個另外一個就是說今天的第三案是有關這個停會案那我們當然再度表示反對因為你時間已經這麼緊迫的情況之下那你又"},{"start":2992.295,"end":2992.875,"text":"我剛剛看一下我是在轉貼媒體的報導"},{"start":3017.301,"end":3033.613,"text":"我轉貼媒體的報導那這不是輸贏的事情這是公事因為這個最低工資法那我的主張就是說應該跟CPI去做聯動那你的說法是說權力的擁有者不敢濫用權力這當然不對"},{"start":3034.914,"end":3051.045,"text":"這當然就是說你主要就是為什麼要有這個最低工資法當然是在法規範要拘束這個權力的擁有者然後讓他可以讓基本的勞工得到這個最起碼的一個確保那就是說有關你如果說"},{"start":3054.767,"end":3071.871,"text":"為這個現在又沒辦法審的情況之下那之後又有其他的預算案還有這個防護稅條例或者是說其他零零種種的法案的話那當然這個時間又會更壓縮所以就這部分的話又再加上"},{"start":3073.221,"end":3100.436,"text":"還要停會,到底剩下還有多少的時間可以去審這些法案跟預算,所以我覺得這個是應該是要非常謹慎的啦。好,謝謝。那邱總統,民眾?好,謝謝院長還有各黨代表。我想民眾黨的態度非常的明確,我們還是希望可以在法定會期內把總預算完成審查,這是基本的態度。"},{"start":3101.056,"end":3129.193,"text":"但是在整個朝野協商的過程因為現在主要當然面臨大選那各政黨都有非常多的政治攻防但是我們認為在總預算的部分因為老實講113年度的這個中央政府總預算後面到底是哪一個政黨執政其實都還不確定我希望大家還是比較用客觀理性的方式來去討論這樣的問題那包含立院黨團之間其實在協商的氛圍我個人是認為非常重要的"},{"start":3129.813,"end":3146.748,"text":"所以真的不必要的這種政治攻防跟這個所謂執政黨的委員去監督在野黨的委員的提案甚至拿出來做政治攻擊我認為這是大可不必因為預算的提案本來就是各政黨各委員身為民意代表基本的一個權益"},{"start":3148.189,"end":3148.549,"text":"三、研商議員提案"},{"start":3166.119,"end":3190.557,"text":"行業非營業基金看起來這個會計是沒有辦法但我們還是認為不應該為了選舉而帶動立法跟預算的監督那包含剛剛談到最低公司法跟囤房稅其實都要來去處理尤其是囤房稅2.0的這個房屋稅部分條文修正草案這個部分我們認為都應該在其實都要在這個月應該要把它去做完成所以針對停會的部分我們還是反對"},{"start":3191.838,"end":3215.766,"text":"再來針對這次的預算提案其實部會在跟我們協商的時候我們還是認為這個行政部會報告室可能這兩屆因為民進黨實質過半在溝通上我覺得還是比較強勢的很多的部分本來這個像財政部我們這次通案第一案當然沒有提到但是我還是簡單講一下針對這個常態型稅收超增保留的部分其實"},{"start":3219.908,"end":3247.226,"text":"公布今年前十個月的稅收三兆兩百二十三億全年的稅收估計將超過預算三千至三千七百億當時我們財政部中部長11月22號就來立法院質詢表示這個狀況稅客收入執行超過預算的部分會優先還債我想這是各黨的共識所以民眾黨這次在通案提案也有提要稅收"},{"start":3247.426,"end":3249.829,"text":"負稅署副署長陳慧琦在溝通的過程中表示財委會已經決議"},{"start":3262.463,"end":3281.369,"text":"在這個部分增列150億而且已經成立稅收估測專案小組因此明年的稅收時增數與預算數應該不會相差太遠那經過溝通之後本黨團的這個提案他們建議是說可以改增列100億現場官員都沒有異議也允諾會文字修正"},{"start":3281.869,"end":3296.345,"text":"其實今天不知道為什麼12月11號馬上就是可能回去報告了可能這個部長是不是又不同意還是怎麼樣今天國會聯絡人來本黨團的時候表示財政部欠男伴女那該提案還是要保留"},{"start":3296.886,"end":3296.986,"text":"議員提案"},{"start":3314.542,"end":3332.248,"text":"三個月就要改六個月那這樣子的一個我覺得這樣的一個預算行政部會傲慢的溝通品質這並不是一個好的協商的一個狀況所以我想對於這種違反信任原則的溝通我深表遺憾我認為這不是一個好的溝通的方式"},{"start":3334.01,"end":3347.031,"text":"這個會期是第十屆最後一個預算會期我希望大家還是本著互信的原則跟實事求是的態度來溝通預算如果是這樣子的方式的話那我們後面就不要溝通了我們就全部用表決的方式好不好到以上"},{"start":3349.444,"end":3374.882,"text":"針對剛才兩位所談有基本問題就是說有關於總預算以及法案我們絕對能夠在庭會前如期完成這點請不要擔心都提早做很好的安排現在差不多該處理都處理所以用這個理由來說不能庭會要看到社會底我是覺得這個是不存在的不可以這樣"},{"start":3376.743,"end":3398.034,"text":"至於所謂剛談到一些個案的問題,在通案裡面來討論,尤其你們第一個案子提要增加稅務三千億,當然財政部這麼大一個數字談判持平的論,這個應該可以溝通的,有的時候不可能是增加稅務三千億。"},{"start":3399.475,"end":3419.806,"text":"至於多少,剩下多少,我們最後在這裡來談因為不管各部會,各部會的意見怎麼樣,要去跟你們溝通溝通結果有沒有結果,乃至於有結果,其實讓回到這裡來因為將來表決是黨團立法委員在表決,不是副會首長在表決所以我們都會負起責任來"},{"start":3421.566,"end":3435.411,"text":"結論是如您所講,實事求是的。那我們已經大概相處了四年,彼此都有良好的互信基礎吧。應該怎麼溝通大家都很清楚。那剩下的部分就是說報告是先……"},{"start":3438.632,"end":3454.378,"text":"所以說先去還債還是要怎麼處理,那個都有一定的法基礎。當然各黨有他偵測性的看法。我覺得現在就進入"},{"start":3458.3,"end":3480.67,"text":"通關的主條討論的話我當然也歡迎但是國務黨不在那我看法就是說請各位放心我們不要為了不停會而不停會絕對能夠在49號以後所有事情能夠完成我是負擔負責在處理所有法案的進度包括從委員會一開始有關停會就是說"},{"start":3482.531,"end":3508.939,"text":"一個月以前就提出,我們知道這個東西要大家都同意有點困難那要兩大黨都同意你們都不同意,那只有明年表決嘛,已經時間到了啊這照藝術程序來講,也都一定要處理因為我們必須負責整個議程的順利,能夠順利完成所以大家還是心明氣合啊因為總預算剛才有講到就是說"},{"start":3510.816,"end":3537.401,"text":"每一黨都想說明年選舉結果來當總統除非說是沒有希望要總預算隨便處理那到底誰用得到用不到還不知道那通常在最後一個每一屆的最後會期要選舉總預算處理的時候大家都都會如期完成的"},{"start":3538.221,"end":3556.134,"text":"通常三點數也固定上會比較保守,比較保守。我覺得我們明天是不是想辦法再回來,大家吵吵協商。有關同行稅大概差一點不多,法案的差一點不多。"},{"start":3559.156,"end":3583.074,"text":"法案比較好處理。預算的話,你說大家都要擺盪,就提了幾千個案子,然後來卡住,那不能通過。這個選民會看待的。台灣老百姓我會看待。所以說,院長我們大家一起努力,來跟國民黨談,明天還是要回來處理。但是明天我們希望第一個要談什麼?談三減數多少。這是最關鍵。"},{"start":3584.295,"end":3603.444,"text":"雖然是談好的時候,當然大家都知道後面怎麼處理,還有通關怎麼處理,有些違反計畫算多少、小新計畫算多少這一路的消息主席總坐在那裡,他一定有辦法把各位的喜酒弄得一個天衣無縫的表格出來,一毛錢都不會差的好不好"},{"start":3604.244,"end":3615.735,"text":"所以今天很遺憾,當然遺憾歸遺憾,這個是我們必須承受的,也必須忍耐,期待明天我們能夠在下面,來見面好好來談。"},{"start":3618.854,"end":3641.162,"text":"好 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