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剛才不是說通過嗎"},{"start":2932.227,"end":2938.57,"text":"委員會決議是什麼委員會決議是什麼我們那是主決議耶主決議怎麼會併委員會 事發案是主決議委員會決議是請我們提供書面報告 那我們正在轉移中書面報告 三個月期書面報告"},{"start":2959.497,"end":2985.507,"text":"那我們就是通過就好了啊就兩個議案啊好啦好啦好啦好就這樣齁好來49案主決議文字調整沒有意見等一下有文字修正文字修正對院長你有看到嗎文字修正49案他沒有給你嗎好49案主決議有文字修正剛剛才調的有修正通過"},{"start":2988.848,"end":2989.328,"text":"51案 主決議51案 主決議"},{"start":3016.741,"end":3035.81,"text":"主席測案好了,兩個留一個就好了五十五十一留一個就好了主決議,沒有建議測案通過沒有沒有,我們建議測案因為最主要就是說那個以色列在我們駐以色列代表處在協助我們國人離開這個其實是非常有效率啦所以我們建議測案不是不是,我們其實是希望說"},{"start":3036.87,"end":3037.01,"text":"李慧琼議員"},{"start":3060.814,"end":3064.097,"text":"謝偉我這樣講好不好前面那個文字齁不是寫理想文這主要是後面要求外交部那這樣就好了"},{"start":3086.681,"end":3095.284,"text":"好,就是原要求外交部原要求,前面兩行消掉書面報告這兩個案子其實是一樣的?可以嗎?兩個案子要並一案就好了,其實書面報告就好了可以嗎?"},{"start":3101.601,"end":3103.883,"text":"五十一案也不是很像"},{"start":3131.567,"end":3137.308,"text":"五十案要保留五十案主決議就文字修正修正通過啦好不好來再看一下"},{"start":3161.732,"end":3161.832,"text":"主決議主決議"},{"start":3191.277,"end":3194.859,"text":"五十三案改組決議 每日間通過 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謝謝部長10點50要休息到齊不可以不可以不可以不可以不可以不可以不可以不可以不可以不可以不可以"},{"start":3251.601,"end":3259.227,"text":"市長要說通山,不然你要十點五十給我休息不要休息"},{"start":3346.102,"end":3346.563,"text":"各位先進"},{"start":3368.211,"end":3368.652,"text":"這很恐怖"},{"start":3470.011,"end":3499.398,"text":"好那各位先進我們就繼續開會現在要進行國防部主管的部分預算主管部分那我現在介紹一下列席的首長介紹國防部部長邱國正先生接下來就請大家看我們的五十五案"},{"start":3501.533,"end":3518.142,"text":"那改組協議有沒有意見?好,沒有意見通過56案改組協議沒有意見通過57案改組協議沒有意見通過57案有沒有意見?改動百分之一喔?那個是商量一下,改組協議好了"},{"start":3519.417,"end":3519.637,"text":"委員會動五千萬"},{"start":3547.785,"end":3557.439,"text":"五十七案就凍結百分之一,沒有見通過五十八案通三,不處理五十九案、六十案都通三,不處理"},{"start":3558.24,"end":3561.282,"text":"五十九還沒有挑過五十九還沒有挑過"},{"start":3574.91,"end":3598.095,"text":"五八五九六十都十一五三不是不是我們還是要說明一下我們是不是請部長說明一下就是我們的國防安全研究院為什麼他是拿國防部的預算但是他卻在二月的時候接受媒體的專訪那時候他就可以預測說一定哪一個總統候選人一定會贏這是什麼樣子的"},{"start":3602.135,"end":3623.474,"text":"他這個報告,他個人訪問以後,他個人表達,但我們這個事情已經跟國防院、國防院有表達過,不疑。國防院的董事長,以前我們老的長官,他也跟我講很抱歉,以後不會有這種類案發生。這不代表國防院,他真的是個人,特別跟委員報告。"},{"start":3624.335,"end":3638.842,"text":"他是在國防安全研究院的會議嗎?在媒體在政任節目的時候他自己就表達的這一點我們也真的跟國防院一直在表達在不疑"},{"start":3640.101,"end":3664.337,"text":"因為他是代表國防研究安全研究院的所長那他在外面發表也就是代表他這個身份去發表那這之後他還有再發表相關的言論嗎?後面就沒有了,我們後面最起碼我們都要克盡我們職責跟他勸導委員做說明是吧?好謝謝委員"},{"start":3670.265,"end":3670.445,"text":"611案凍結10萬年,並委員會結議辦理61"},{"start":3694.375,"end":3698.078,"text":"並委員結辦理好 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那75案主決議我們就照樣通過"},{"start":3964.063,"end":3985.821,"text":"七十六案主決議七十六案是有關於三軍儀隊撤出中正紀念堂的提案昨天有討論這個案子是保留建議併案保留七十六案保留院長補充講一句話因為我覺得國防部其實很重要一個部分就是說你的任務就是保家衛國"},{"start":3987.142,"end":3987.202,"text":"主席"},{"start":4005.769,"end":4031.254,"text":"放在這個地方做這個中正紀念堂然後三軍一隊這個對光部是好的因為這裡反而是捲入了一個台灣的歷史上非常有爭議性的issue所以在這個基礎之上真的不管是文化部或光部尤其是過去事實上在陳水扁總統執政的時候光部的三軍一隊事實上是有撤離這個中正紀念堂的"},{"start":4031.414,"end":4032.074,"text":"中華民國113年度中央政府總預算部分．"},{"start":4056.269,"end":4057.57,"text":"這個題目連美人都必講"},{"start":4082.858,"end":4097.726,"text":"那現在坦白講這個總預算今年又出現了有關這些問題市長要徹底解決也就是說下一屆可能要提促進轉移生意條約再修正案另外"},{"start":4098.379,"end":4119.937,"text":"另外有關於中正經常組織法都要修才能夠讓社會上能夠徹底來面對這個問題來解決所以這是暫保留每年都要討論但是偷偷的捨不得不知道同項將來怎麼樣都要修法的好不好好 保留好 謝謝接下來77案主決議那併委員會決議辦理"},{"start":4123.516,"end":4127.417,"text":"主決議議題案辦理議題案辦理議題案辦理照案通過接下來就請大家看70案70案改正類800萬"},{"start":4150.98,"end":4178.93,"text":"七十九案 七十九案 七十九案 整列八百萬 是整列八百萬 好好 那就通過八十案改組決議 沒意見通過好 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這大概是第二個要跟各位委員報告跟說明的"},{"start":6465.369,"end":6486.734,"text":"假訊息的查查或查處﹐這個部分有一個原則﹐主要的原則是在於﹐那個假訊息必須是惡、假、害﹐它有惡意的﹐是假的﹐而且對於我們的社會有造成危害的﹐依照這樣的原則﹐我們發現了有問題﹐就會通報到行政單位﹐再由行政單位來判斷說這樣的問題﹐怎麼樣在第一時間來做必要的澄清﹐"},{"start":6487.176,"end":6487.376,"text":"主席主席議員"},{"start":6515.643,"end":6534.249,"text":"好 那通過 147 測案 148 通山 我們就通案處理那 149 測案 那 150 通山院長不好意思 148 它已經改成組決議啦所以沒有通山的這個問題這樣150 我們也說一下好不好"},{"start":6541.685,"end":6541.865,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6556.286,"end":6572.176,"text":"我們也說一下好不好 因為我覺得說目前的那個總統座車已經就是說符合那個也不需要再升級了 阿我們怎麼知道說誰擁著 阿我們的總統參選人侯友宜不需要再升級阿對不是 這國家的問題不是誰當 未來誰當總統"},{"start":6576.638,"end":6578.719,"text":"來接下來就喬委會謝謝主席"},{"start":6609.701,"end":6633.231,"text":"在換班的時候我跟大家報告一件事情117案要更正剛剛組結議宣告的時候是照案通過因為扁案委員有文字修正所以重新宣告117案組結議文字修正通過"},{"start":6635.777,"end":6661.44,"text":"有簽名的嗎?來!交委會來!那我們現在進行交委會那我跟大家報告一下齁交委會徐家欽委員長他有昨天就有打電話來因為他因為公務他今天沒有辦法趕到那請這個副委員長歷史那我介紹一下齁我們的副委員長就阮昭雄先生好請下"},{"start":6662.401,"end":6662.421,"text":"154案"},{"start":6684.11,"end":6693.773,"text":"是不是155、156都是凍結嗎那併委員會啊那併委員會好不好那併委員會因為委員會已經凍結了400多萬對報告主席這個部分委員會沒有凍結委員會沒有凍結我們建議改組決議好 那就改組決議哪一個案"},{"start":6713.524,"end":6721.087,"text":"154到156154154 155 156全部改為拒絕役陳允慶委員同意是不是有說明沒有拒絕市委員什麼事情"},{"start":6733.976,"end":6740.505,"text":"有溝通說明沒有拒絕154 156都改為主決議啦這一般行政AOA都改主決議他事實上這個可以併案一個主決議就可以了吧"},{"start":6751.71,"end":6758.732,"text":"都改為主決議154 155 156都改為主決議157也是改為主決議嗎沒有要撤案啦特別會特別會的問題啦特別會 保留要不要撤案沒有要撤案158他們同意撤10萬"},{"start":6781.454,"end":6785.095,"text":"剪列十萬科目字條剪十萬科目字條再來是159建議改組結議159改組結議沒有意見通過"},{"start":6810.333,"end":6814.836,"text":"160 通3161 動100萬年改組協議 調效的改組協議 沒有意見通過162 改動20萬年動20萬要不要併委會"},{"start":6832.472,"end":6832.612,"text":"163改組結議163改組結議 164動議100萬"},{"start":6849.775,"end":6851.456,"text":"建議改組結議164改組結議165改凍結二十萬年166改組結議167改組結議"},{"start":6877.423,"end":6877.985,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6887.467,"end":6901.409,"text":"那這邊凍結很像那我們說併委員這一半你就併這個嗎?要應戰嗎?是可以啦,但是太生病了再來就是說,他如果說這邊已經凍結440萬那我們再加一個凍結50萬,假設啦他會變成440萬還是490萬?"},{"start":6916.923,"end":6917.063,"text":"好來好來"},{"start":6952.464,"end":6952.644,"text":"167案這張有修對不對"},{"start":6977.52,"end":6983.782,"text":"改為檢列50萬年 沒意見通過公務自行調整再來是168案改組結議 沒意見通過169組結議 有沒有意見 沒意見就照樣通過170組結議 沒有意見 沒意見就照樣通過"},{"start":7003.45,"end":7008.935,"text":"171 文字修正好 OK好 那沒意見就修正通告好好 謝謝 謝謝主委"},{"start":7064.412,"end":7071.56,"text":"跟大家報告一下 黨團要求休息30分鐘 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照案通過 92 主決議92 的主決議做文字修正 那沒問題就修正通過好 那 93 主決議好 照案通過"},{"start":16337.455,"end":16337.896,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":16342.915,"end":16372.137,"text":"九十四是不是有文字修正是 那個委員已經簽了九十四文字修正通過九十四文字修正九十四的文字的主決議文字修正那沒有意見就修正通過九十五的主決議就是有做文字修正文字修正那我們九十五的主決議做文字修正沒有意見就修正通過九十六主決議文字修正沒有意見就修正通過"},{"start":16374.409,"end":16386.895,"text":"97 主決議 遵照辦理好 召喚通過98 主決議有做文書修正 沒意見就修正通過好99 主決議 有沒有意見遵照辦理好 召喚通過9100 主決議遵照辦理好 召喚通過"},{"start":16395.705,"end":16396.466,"text":"我們建議修正文字"},{"start":16416.477,"end":16437.266,"text":"在那個第三行有部分修正然後最後面是改成評估把核能納入我國能源選項的可行性105組決議做文字修正沒有意見就修正通過106組決議106我們最後也做一點文字修正這個不是只有用電大戶所以是請能源署針對太陽光電結合建物"},{"start":16437.706,"end":16462.086,"text":"提出相關安全規範好106主席做文字修正沒有意見就修正通過107主席遵照辦理好召喚通過108主席遵照辦理好召喚通過109主席遵照辦理好召喚通過10110主席遵照辦理好沒有意見召喚通過111主席要調整一下文字要修正"},{"start":16464.778,"end":16486.943,"text":"文字修正沒有意見就修正通過1、2主席也是文字修正沒有意見就修正通過1、1、3好沒有意見就照案通過1、1、4文字修正好1、1、4主席做文字修正沒有意見就修正通過1、1、5"},{"start":16490.31,"end":16518.104,"text":"也是文字修正好15主席願意做文字修正沒有意見就修正通過16主席願意好 召喚通過17 遵照辦理好 沒意見召喚通過18遵照辦理好 沒意見召喚通過19遵照辦理好 沒意見召喚通過120遵照辦理好 沒意見召喚通過121遵照辦理好 沒意見召喚通過122做部分文字修正"},{"start":16519.349,"end":16545.388,"text":"做文字修正好沒有意見就修正通過好那123文字修正好沒有意見就修正文字修正通過124遵照辦理好沒有意見就召喚通過好125組結議文字有修正已經簽名好125組結議做文字修正沒有意見就修正通過126文字修正嘿好"},{"start":16546.601,"end":16554.227,"text":"沒有意見就文書修正通過127組協議沒有意見就召喚通過128組協議那沒有意見就召喚通過127通過召喚通過就沒有保留了"},{"start":16566.731,"end":16567.452,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":16593.211,"end":16599.093,"text":"副委員副委員副委員副委員副委員副委員副委員副委員副委員副委員"},{"start":16620.397,"end":16629.259,"text":"132 也是保留﹖賴委員的﹖暫時保留133 併爐的決議辦理沒有意見通過134 改組決議沒有意見通過135 併爐的決議辦理沒有意見通過136 改組決議沒有意見通過137 測案138 沒有意見就"},{"start":16645.316,"end":16674.377,"text":"142 凍結10%該組決議"},{"start":16676.324,"end":16676.707,"text":"來組協議明天先通過"},{"start":16678.459,"end":16685.822,"text":"好143凍結10%改組結議沒人先改組結議沒人先通過好144改組結議沒人先通過好145通商就暫不處理146檢列160不處理賴司法委員的我們就保留暫時保留147凍結10%改組結議改組結議好沒人先通過好我忘記"},{"start":16710.259,"end":16728.953,"text":"148閉路人節辦理沒有意見通過149 150 151全部是通商項目我們就暫不處理152組結議做文書修正沒有意見就修正通過153組結議有沒有意見就照辦理那就照案通過154改組結議沒有意見通過"},{"start":16737.453,"end":16739.055,"text":"155 156 157 都是通商 我們就暫不處理 158 凍結10%159 也是改組決議 免費簽通過"},{"start":16760.68,"end":16760.7,"text":"161案"},{"start":16789.565,"end":16815.742,"text":"164凍結10%"},{"start":16816.122,"end":16816.582,"text":"165 主決議166 主決議167 主決議168 凍結10%"},{"start":16842.765,"end":16858.073,"text":"委員長我們這部分已經把資料送到委員辦公室送了以後怎麼樣今天改組結議組結議啦改好了嗎還沒有因為委員只要我們送到辦公室這樣子這樣就改組結議好這樣就改組結議好民運縣組結議通過"},{"start":16866.584,"end":16873.286,"text":"那這個169凍結10%也改組結1好了沒有意見就通過170凍結10%也改組結1沒有意見通過好不好那171凍結1就照案通過172改組結1沒有意見通過173凍結1000萬元陳總召在這裡來"},{"start":16895.97,"end":16897.251,"text":"174 175 都是通商項目 176 凍結四分之一"},{"start":16924.123,"end":16935.496,"text":"主席報告,因為這個是依照人種的標準去編列我們河川分贖章的特指費,所以我們建議這個案子能不能測案"},{"start":16938.836,"end":16961.051,"text":"176這是特別會啦特別會好 策案好 謝謝來 謝謝策案177改凍結百分之一沒有見通過跟主席報告 這個能不能並委員會決議不是已經都講好也簽名邱總召在這裡 來對啦"},{"start":16963.084,"end":16967.486,"text":"這個就是照本來的就好了177 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應該是改為主決議 然後要求他們去遵照整個我們農業發展基金的一個精神 你說叫他們更加精進對於那個情色的改善 叫他們更加 應該把這個"},{"start":19855.759,"end":19855.859,"text":"主席"},{"start":19876.494,"end":19898.868,"text":"這補定的回答是說212家申請 那還有什麼許可等等之類的那到最後212家到最後你可輔導才66家 不到三分之一阿其實需要台灣的這個彈籠 需要去輔導或是說想要去渴望要去轉型的人從這個數字看起來就知道說這個是遠多於你要輔導66家嘛"},{"start":19900.569,"end":19929.425,"text":"所以我不認為說我沒有覺得說你這個數字這樣子的狀況那有展現出來你的態度啦那今天為什麼會面對我說實在你如果比較起來的話這是會很漏氣的德國可以德國基本上他是一個工業發達的國家嘛那這個台灣從日據時代到現在我們的農業發展我們養雞的技術等等之類的那結果"},{"start":19930.365,"end":19951.42,"text":"搞到最後德國是0.88日本是0.84那我們的這個美雞雞蛋的蛋率才0.52這是不應該的啊那你就是因為你的農業發展基金應該是要用在支持本土的農民做這個產業升級嘛"},{"start":19952.961,"end":19965.217,"text":"那你現在變成是說用這樣的方式然後再去購買國外的雞蛋變成是又本末倒置過來然後讓外國的雞蛋進來跟本土的蛋來競爭那這個是非常不對的啦"},{"start":19971.425,"end":19990.366,"text":"我拜託沒有資料就不理我,我本來是要跟你說,我們連總資,連我們自己就沒有,我們就要靜靜靜靜比較針對的是說,它的產業升級的不能夠及期,那你那個方向是要做成主決意,讓他們來做一個精進,朝你要求那個方向"},{"start":19992.278,"end":20005.208,"text":"說目的是一樣的我的目的是說希望我透過我這個案然後讓他能夠真的正式面對這個問題給他有壓力讓他可以去面對這個問題"},{"start":20013.926,"end":20029.294,"text":"現在是針對333啦 檢列八十萬年那委員已經同意檢列為十萬元科目執行調整一聽就知道 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聽得懂就知道要保留好了"},{"start":20263.308,"end":20264.729,"text":"主席長主主席長通山林你們你們五個人啦對啦對啦"},{"start":20295.019,"end":20296.902,"text":"休息五分鐘"},{"start":20692.655,"end":20708.13,"text":"財政委員在這裡40幾案而已啊?沒有沒有財政委員會8幾百協調全40你不是說協調全40幾案嗎?全40而已啦協調 都協調對啦 對啦 他們都一百一百四十幾所以很快就到那個了喔?很快就到教育了喔"},{"start":20720.614,"end":20721.055,"text":"不知道有協調"},{"start":20793.919,"end":20807.027,"text":"主席長你先告還是我先告跟大家報告一下受主席長的交代"},{"start":20824.697,"end":20833.42,"text":"跟四大黨團的交代跟大家報告經各黨團協商結果113年度稅出通商總數299億元各項目刪減比例由主計總署調整"},{"start":20849.594,"end":20858.737,"text":"調整完就跟四大黨團報告一下二九九四大堡啦我們尊重四個宗教啦"},{"start":20875.146,"end":20889.333,"text":"好 來接下來跟大家報告一下接下來我們就開始來協商財政委員會的部分首先進行行政院主席總署還需要再介紹一下好 來"},{"start":20903.391,"end":20905.133,"text":"主計總署預算案"},{"start":20919.616,"end":20919.896,"text":"委員會是多少?"},{"start":20942.938,"end":20964.644,"text":"325萬維園會比較多啦維園會比較多嗎對啊好 那就並維園會好 那第二案就是文字修正那凍結並維園會決議辦理好那第三案就是改組決議沒有見通過好第四案尊重委員提案凍結 同意第四案凍結數字並維園會決議辦理並維園會啊對啊"},{"start":20969.926,"end":20970.146,"text":"第五案 凍結"},{"start":20984.925,"end":21011.217,"text":"第五案提書面報告第六案會併委員接辦提書面報告第七組結議文字修正沒有意見就修正通過第八組結議文字修正沒有意見就修正通過第九組結議文字修正沒有意見就修正通過第十組結議文字修正沒有意見就修正通過"},{"start":21013.934,"end":21039.344,"text":"第十一組決議有沒有人見?沒有端端委員提案端端通過第十二組決議端端通過再來就是監察院主管來監察院主管我們就來介紹列席的所長省紀部省紀長陳瑞敏先生已經在場好來"},{"start":21043.127,"end":21051.553,"text":"第十三案 改組決議 沒意見就通過第四案 凍結一百萬年 我們是不是併委員會決議辦理"},{"start":21074.868,"end":21096.64,"text":"財政部財政部來介紹我來介紹一下列席的首長財政部部長莊翠雲女士接下來我們就開始第19案改組決議沒有見就通過20案改組決議沒有見通過21案改組決議沒有見通過"},{"start":21100.362,"end":21114.867,"text":"二十二案通三通案辦理二十三案改組結議 明日會見通過二十四案通三通案辦理二十五案組織案二十六案就併委會結議辦理併委會結議辦理提出面報告通過二十七案遵照辦理"},{"start":21129.229,"end":21154.978,"text":"好 那就我講一下啦齁這案子原來是我提要減略一百萬後來改成五十萬現在改為五萬可不可不自行調整嘛 阿捏好 現在改為五萬好 那二十七案就是減略五十萬齁扣免自行調整沒有見通過二十八案改組結議沒有見通過二十九案的組結議有沒有見正照辦理好 照案通過"},{"start":21159.281,"end":21159.681,"text":"二十七案出來"},{"start":21174.833,"end":21175.433,"text":"今天已經13號了 請問部長"},{"start":21204.166,"end":21208.868,"text":"中央的部分大概會在2700億左右總體的話就全國來說大概也差不多3500億左右"},{"start":21222.003,"end":21222.163,"text":"專案小組是誰"},{"start":21246.203,"end":21246.583,"text":"那你今年編的這個比現在的時增數會增加多少"},{"start":21271.241,"end":21286.767,"text":"113年是兩兆兩千九百多億那在財委會已經增加一百五十億所以大概是兩兆三千多億吧那你預估113的稅購收入會多少現在當然是我們預算數就是我們當時在編估的時候的一個預測數"},{"start":21292.328,"end":21299.651,"text":"會不會2013年又大幅超脫啊2013年編的已經比2012年來說增加了一千多億"},{"start":21304.404,"end":21323.595,"text":"每天都增加超增三四千億你聽我說真的四千五千那113年其實已經我們已經有調調參議會只有增加三千億喔?增加一百五十億啊多少?一百五十億啊一百五十億喔?我覺得應該加個零欸沒有啦 那就一年才會超過一年才會說 欸 乾脆破啊然後我們人比他少啊他媽不就拿這個標判這樣啊當然提案啊我們說最少應該增加一千億啊因為不行啊"},{"start":21334.321,"end":21336.863,"text":"我們再提案好了 增加個1500億"},{"start":21355.879,"end":21355.979,"text":"我沒這個能耐"},{"start":21371.846,"end":21377.667,"text":"何總召講錯了說聘我專家寫者那是專家寫的專家不是明年是我們聘我給你糾正明年是侯"},{"start":21397.143,"end":21425.351,"text":"法院就法院就好了 33案主決議 文字修正沒有意見就修正通過 34案主決議 文字修正沒有意見就修正通過 35案主決議有沒有意見 任照辦理 照案通過36案主決議 文字修正沒有意見就修正通過 37案主決議有沒有意見 任照辦理 照案通過 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我是假的"},{"start":21799.022,"end":21814.29,"text":"他已經同意了他們文字修正我加幾個字跨境備運的部分要在中華民國進來並順便報告我們遵照修正後的內容文字修正嘛凍結並文件辦理就通過89案"},{"start":21826.442,"end":21833.433,"text":"八十九案事實上跟八十八案一樣是不是併以八十八案一併的併哪裡八十八案"},{"start":21835.31,"end":21836.351,"text":"這邊還有一個案吳斯案我剛才講的"},{"start":21866.125,"end":21885.99,"text":"五四我們要維持原案五四我們要維持原案五四我們要維持原案五四我們要維持原案五四我們要維持原案五四我們要維持原案五四我們要維持原案五四我們要維持原案五四我們要維持原案五四我們要維持原案"},{"start":21893.032,"end":21893.473,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":21908.626,"end":21918.288,"text":"147案是要簡列300億元 大家意見怎麼樣是不是我可以說明一下在這裡的委員提案是說要簡列舉債300億元然後用稅積剩餘我想這部分是不是可以修正為並同稅入稅出審議的結果來通盤調整那個債務舉借"},{"start":21938.133,"end":21957.186,"text":"還有遺用以前年度稅計的剩餘因為這個300億把他講得太死了因為其實稅入稅出審核完以後就可以是不是繼續做這樣的修正要修正東西嘛那最後就曾總召來講來來來來那個部長到現在債務以額實際數字多少5兆8188億預算數呢預算數是6兆多6兆多多少6點多少"},{"start":21970.625,"end":21984.353,"text":"6兆5千676億6兆5千多嘛 對不對這個是財政部網站6兆5啦那還有多少特別預算是131415"},{"start":21987.419,"end":21994.888,"text":"還沒編進來的預算數就我們說一千五百多億一四加一五年度那特別預算會編列的舉借數是一五九五億"},{"start":22004.637,"end":22006.339,"text":"你先弄清楚你那個6乍5的預算數是到112還是113到113的預算數多少"},{"start":22028.937,"end":22034.559,"text":"6兆8241 68245因為蔡政府啊 浪費 亂花錢啊怎麼亂花錢啊你聽我說嘛我這個創 可以申請金氏紀錄啦"},{"start":22055.629,"end":22076.883,"text":"只是正八年拿出十三項的特別預算啦反正最多那你花更多啦結果那113年度是6821對不對對113嘛對不對那實際數是5兆8我知道啦我如果不接預算數跟實際數我就不會檢查啦不會當你們財政部的常識政治啦"},{"start":22086.8,"end":22091.061,"text":"那還有特別預算裡面13項特別預算裡面哪些還沒有邊境這個113的預算數的"},{"start":22115.199,"end":22144.353,"text":"一三六一四呢當然知道啊一四一五呢就是剛剛跟各位報告跟委員報告就是一千五百九十五億在特別預算裡面會在一一四跟一一五年舉借的是這樣的數字分配的數字是這樣子所以預算數是多少三八六九所以"},{"start":22145.663,"end":22159.849,"text":"蔡政府留下來的帳是多少?預算數啦齁我講預算數嗎?你敢憋嗎?阿會不會用?不知道阿你說你運氣好,超收就不借吧是69,850對不對?6兆9,850對不對?加進來阿但是我們也會還債阿"},{"start":22176.67,"end":22177.61,"text":"那你再算 你要還多少"},{"start":22207.027,"end":22207.608,"text":"明年也編了1150億也會還債"},{"start":22230.779,"end":22233.78,"text":"法黨派提的 包括王榮章也有 謝謝"},{"start":22261.158,"end":22279.506,"text":"我的提案給他簽名的啦你知道對對對他知道我拿給他簽名的才會過好講一下吧就讓還原事實不要講說五到八還有多一兆沒講一兆多沒講這樣我們147案怎麼處理就檢列300億剛才跟那個主席報告一下"},{"start":22287.321,"end":22295.45,"text":"他說增加移用以前年度稅據剩餘300億目前稅據剩餘只剩下30億了所以不可能有300億了"},{"start":22297.315,"end":22309.425,"text":"剩下多少?30億喔?只有30億,因為他們財政部都拿進來現在的稅收操作要等那個一,要等那個審計部審計完了以後才能夠用才能夠用啦所以現在講的說有什麼採決議的話做主決議怎麼樣?"},{"start":22322.543,"end":22351.196,"text":"好 OK那147案改組決議那沒有意見就通過148組決議有沒有意見遵照辦理好 照案通過院長不好意思算這個不好意思是我們民進黨執政黨提的這個組決議當然我們也支持那只是說這邊既然寫稅科收入5%啦其實我們按公務預算法其實為什麼不到6%我們還是希望說你們5到6啦 5到6啦不是 因為5就是下限嘛"},{"start":22352.079,"end":22359.214,"text":"那其實我們一直 其實剛才也講了其實今年都甚至還是超徵那麼多所以我們一直都覺得說其實這麼多預算"},{"start":22361.434,"end":22383.689,"text":"如果我們有超徵的話其實這個真的是先拿來還債啦那其實6%這個本來就是法律上規定的是上限是6%下限是5%嘛所以沒有錯所以是不是如果我們真的要符合財政機率我們其實是應該往6%的方向去做啊其實過去就一直都是都才一點點嘛"},{"start":22384.997,"end":22387.878,"text":"我瞭解 但是你看每一次現在這幾年 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並委員會結議辦理沒有意見通過264 並委員會結議辦理沒有意見通過265 改組結議沒有意見通過266 組結議有沒有意見"},{"start":25420.868,"end":25421.008,"text":"267、268測案269測案"},{"start":25429.636,"end":25436.719,"text":"270改組結議沒有見通過271改組結議沒有見通過272測案273改組結議沒有見通過274測案275改組結議沒有見通過276改組結議沒有見通過277改組結議沒有見通過278改組結議沒有見通過279改組結議沒有見通過280測案好來"},{"start":25457.935,"end":25458.275,"text":"交通委員會"},{"start":25493.08,"end":25505.07,"text":"接下來我們就進行國家科學及技術委員會主管的預算首先我介紹列席的所長國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳正宗先生"},{"start":25506.667,"end":25515.352,"text":"好 那現在我們請大家看281案改組決議沒有意見通過282案改組決議沒有意見通過283案改為凍結5%沒有意見 都通過 有沒有意見沒有意見通過283 講好了 他們講好了凍結5% 講好了齁"},{"start":25535.738,"end":25544.586,"text":"284通3通案辦理285通3通案辦理286、287、288、289、290、291、292都是通3我們就通案處理293主決議文書修正沒有一些修正通過294主決議"},{"start":25560.083,"end":25564.425,"text":"沒有意見就召喚通過齁好召喚通過295組結議召喚通過好召喚通過296組結議好召喚通過297組結議好召喚通過好來到一段落好來這樣"},{"start":25897.438,"end":25918.906,"text":"交通委員會的部分首先我們就處理國家通信傳播委員會的預算介紹國家通信傳播委員會主任委員陳耀祥先生接下來請大家看第一案第一案大家有什麼意見邱總召"},{"start":25927.191,"end":25944.379,"text":"院長因為這個案件也跟主委討論過非常多次因為三立入主宗家的這個部分一直到現在也都沒有任何一個處分所以這個沒辦法對社會交代"},{"start":25952.066,"end":25980.543,"text":"頻道商跟系統商不能夠結合違反這個反媒體壟斷的紅線這是非常清楚的那從9月8號到現在已經這個三個月過去了到現在連一個處分都沒有這沒有道理啊所以就這個部分的話我們的案當然就是說雖然凍結NCC一般行政預算50%啊那這個先保就好了"},{"start":25982.798,"end":26006.89,"text":"主委要不要說明一下保留啦主委說明啦謝謝委員關心這個案子其實我們一直在討論當中我們近期應該也會做出一些相關的決定那該處罰我們還是會處罰先說明一下 謝謝那保留好不好好保留一案保留第二案"},{"start":26009.534,"end":26009.694,"text":"第四案"},{"start":26038.448,"end":26046.657,"text":"併委員的接辦禮好 媒體先弄夠院長不好意思 我第三案那邊就是併委員會處理沒問題但是那個報告要請給我們 好不好好 謝謝"},{"start":26054.977,"end":26062.399,"text":"報告主席不好意思第八案委員有簽字改組決議我沒有把資料放在桌上改組決議好"},{"start":26084.366,"end":26089.928,"text":"委員有同意改懲處決議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議 改組協議"},{"start":26114.112,"end":26122.015,"text":"第十二案保留 第十一案保留 第十二案保留 第十三案也是保留嗎"},{"start":26129.783,"end":26157.839,"text":"十三案是針對這個三立持有中家百分之二十七但是呢這個三立卻僅針對這個榮勝投資百分之十五做出承諾但是另外一個百分之十二的部分那你前面一樣嘛你交代這個不一樣啊這不一樣這個剛剛的第一案是說NCC到現在還沒有做出一個決定嘛也沒有做出一個處分嘛這非常離譜啊已經三個月過去了"},{"start":26158.539,"end":26185.854,"text":"那13案的部分就是說這個12%到底去向去向到底從來沒有交代報告裡面也都完全沒有交代好好第13案的保留第14案保留保留齁保留那第15案要保留要保留哇保留滿多的第16案要保留好來請看"},{"start":26188.543,"end":26205.755,"text":"十七案保留十八案沒有見通過保留十九案沒有見通過保留十八保留十九也是保留二十案也是保留二十一案保留"},{"start":26217.384,"end":26217.664,"text":"25案保留"},{"start":26246.826,"end":26275.407,"text":"二十六案 通過我們先修正文字修正什麼文字保留好了 不要修了二十七案保留 二十八案 遵照辦理通過二十八之一 遵照辦理 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35案凍結10%是不是病理委員會接辦理病理委員會接辦理"},{"start":26550.407,"end":26578.473,"text":"那36案並無接辦理沒有見通過37案並無接辦理沒有見通過院長不好意思我跟他稍微說明一下就是說37案主委希望能夠就這個中央續產會採購不適用政府採購法的這個部分是不是可以去嚴厲修正這個政府採購法的主體範圍因為這個部分的話這個爭議非常大那為什麼他可以不用適用到這個政府採購法"},{"start":26580.034,"end":26605.197,"text":"那可能這個真的也是要去商榷的 有商榷的餘地啊37案主委 我贊成喔因為有一些財團法人尤其是他的經費來自政府機關或者他的執行長 總經理 董事長是政府派的那基本上他是政府一樣"},{"start":26606.098,"end":26633.235,"text":"所以這些人或這些機構基本上要適用政府採購法你不要清楚你也常常在政府機關服務嘛派到對的人他就依規定給你辦派到不好的人亂搞一通欸所以我贊成啊剛剛邱顯智總召講的這些準政府機構也要適用政府採購法你的看法怎麼樣"},{"start":26635.863,"end":26652.2,"text":"這個部分可能相關的部會再來檢討我補充一下 主委 我這個案裡面我有比較那個誰怎麼樣你在照什麼 錄什麼影啊 那一個"},{"start":26656.087,"end":26658.528,"text":"就是說這個我有提出說比較歐盟的公共採購指令那因為歐盟的這個"},{"start":26683.945,"end":26709.723,"text":"指令裡面規定說到底什麼是叫做屬於這個受公法管制的法人的這個屬於採購主體那定義裡面非常明確他有三種一種就是說第一個是吸以滿足公益為其目的而設立不具工業或商業的性質二是說其具有法人格三是其財務大部分由國家地方政府或其他受公法管制的法人所支持的"},{"start":26710.964,"end":26732.159,"text":"按照歐盟採購指令的規定 中央續產會無疑會是採購主體 這沒有問題因為他百分之百接受政府的支持所以就這部分的話 依照整個相關的規定不管是說行政法人法37條 第二項規定 基本上是有"},{"start":26733.5,"end":26753.06,"text":"這個研議的必要啦針對這一類型的符合這一類型的這種法人財團法人或等等之類的這個要不要回答啊啊主委啊這樣38案勒到底是怎麼樣"},{"start":26755.905,"end":26783.271,"text":"好那38案呢就凍結10%沒有意見沒有意見喔建議本會有建議修正文字那建議併委員會決議好那38案併委員會決議辦理修正文字有沒有意見沒有意見報告也要給我們提示文報告給提案員好那39案併委員會決議辦理沒有意見通過"},{"start":26786.149,"end":26811.684,"text":"事實案 凍結五十萬年 並委員會接辦理 如何不用啦 不用變不用變 不用變 不要講啦 不要變好 那就凍結五十萬年 沒有意見通過事實一案 並委員會接辦理 沒有意見通過事實二案 並委員會接辦理 沒有意見通過事實四案 這個凍結六萬年 是不是並委員會接辦理好好不好"},{"start":26814.721,"end":26835.427,"text":"委員凍結三百萬阿 阿你做個六萬嘛不要併阿 好 就這樣子啦 維持這樣子好啦好啦好啦 凍結六萬年 沒違憲通過 四十五案凍五萬年 沒違憲通過 四十六案主決議 有沒有違憲"},{"start":26837.041,"end":26860.636,"text":"46案本會有建議修正文字好那就文字修正那修正通過好47案主席決議遵照辦理好那就照案通過好好來好謝謝囉那個主委主委接下來就政府"},{"start":26863.404,"end":26863.664,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":26912.906,"end":26933.632,"text":"我們繼續現在進行交通部主管的部分首先介紹所長交通部部長王國才先生接下來請大家看第48案48案陣列兩議員有沒有意見"},{"start":26937.277,"end":26943.425,"text":"跟副院長報告,我們因為委員會已經增加3億元了,我們建議並委員會決議辦理委員會辦公室去溝通,只是因為他沒簽名"},{"start":26957.061,"end":26978.796,"text":"好 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77案你們現在要怎麼樣是要併入人的結議辦理還是要那院長要保留啦77案保留那78案"},{"start":27966.24,"end":27972.605,"text":"要保留嗎其實78案的狀況我是希望說因為現在這個所謂的就是說很多的這個案件基本上都是"},{"start":27990.199,"end":27992.22,"text":"不但造成行車行人的風險﹖"},{"start":28016.047,"end":28035.585,"text":"那部長就是說希望針對這個所謂的這個違規的這個熱點那可以去針對這一些違規的熱點去邀集地方政府也好或是說這一些零售業者物流車的業者跟司機那你去商討說如何去改善"},{"start":28036.266,"end":28056.518,"text":"那究竟是說要劃設一個臨庭的卸貨區域因為這主要很多都是沒有維護艇的問題那你沒有維護艇的問題那你去苛責這些物流車的司機或者是說去對這些物流業者再去苛責那也沒辦法所以就是說應該是要劃設"},{"start":28058.519,"end":28061.622,"text":"到底是要怎麼樣的方式去解決﹖那甚至是﹖"},{"start":28080.611,"end":28092.519,"text":"77案保留78案就併委員結議辦理提出面報告79案委員辦公室已經同意改為主決議員我們有送主決議員在79案主決議那沒有意見通過"},{"start":28097.822,"end":28120.28,"text":"那80案 凍結2000萬 去併委員會決議辦理如果80案也是一樣 經過委員辦公室同意改回決議那沒有見通告 81案併委員會決議辦理 沒有見通告82案併委員會決議辦理 沒有見通告83案併委員會決議辦理 沒有見通告84 85通3 我們就通案處理86案縣長84是併委員會決議辦理"},{"start":28126.969,"end":28149.394,"text":"那是通案?那是通案啊?那還是通山的科目?要交報告喔?通山欸交報告是說也要交報告?好 那就你說84案交報告是吧?好 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凍結束是要併委員會就好了嘛好 怎麼樣 併委員會啦那213 這個凍結束併委員會接一半禮入喔 免疫線通過 214214的部分就是說 這個隔熱紙的部分齁 那應該 這個國際標準早就已經存在這麼久了嘛"},{"start":29359.403,"end":29380.736,"text":"那公總一直到現在你還沒有去做納管那希望這公路局在兩個月內就格二指納管提出具體的檢測方法還有宣導期跟實施的期程你去一個順便報告好那這樣的話這個是要這"},{"start":29385.695,"end":29392.218,"text":"提書面報告,但是並委員結一半禮,如何?214並委員結一半禮,但是要提書面報告給提案人215並委員結一半禮,好不好?215是並委員結一半禮"},{"start":29411.852,"end":29412.032,"text":"結論就好了 講結論"},{"start":29441.37,"end":29444.972,"text":"這個就是2030的電動車,我們從113到119分7年,就是要把燃油車改成電動車我們現在就按照7年到119把它汰換完畢,就是公車的部分"},{"start":29460.644,"end":29469.911,"text":"現在進展怎麼樣最主要你要對預算他要凍結五分之一你有沒有意見好像你都沒有意見改組決議好不好改組決議改組決議凍少一點好不好請示範這樣要費用嗎好不好凍少一點"},{"start":29479.684,"end":29480.565,"text":"委員改為主決議員"},{"start":29505.158,"end":29505.779,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":29528.393,"end":29529.414,"text":"文字有修正 黨團已經蓋章"},{"start":29558.957,"end":29559.28,"text":"修正通過"},{"start":29564.054,"end":29574.603,"text":"228 照案通過229 文字有修正 黨團也蓋章2230 文字有修正 黨團已經蓋章231 文字修正 黨團已經蓋章232 照案通過233 文字有修正 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那因為我們有寫一些東西那是不是就是說這些案子雖然是併了委員會或者是通商 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