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就該管了然後科目自行調整"},{"start":5483.787,"end":5495.194,"text":"主席 沒你這個問題 司法院你查 查不出這個幾十萬 我打死也不相信把頭看下來給我 我不相信我講一下來 我講一下好不好不是 他們不自行調整的條項他們不自行調整的條項"},{"start":5509.172,"end":5526.286,"text":"禮委員你繼續說 我的意思是說今天要處理可以按照我的意思我刪多少就刪多少因為沒有多少錢加起來大概一百多萬而已統統科目自行調整打這麼開 如果這樣不可以那只好去表決就這樣了好來 總統長"},{"start":5533.881,"end":5534.001,"text":"賴慈寶委員"},{"start":5553.649,"end":5577.336,"text":"就是連文書的費用都沒有辦法的這個情況下 是不是能夠讓他們尊潔調整那畢竟我們也是要尊重委員在立法院預算的審議權嘛好 來 那就總統要說幾句來我贊成的因為司法院司法院會議長今年113年度編多少總預算多少277億對啊 277億你那100"},{"start":5585.821,"end":5585.981,"text":"主席"},{"start":5609.571,"end":5630.769,"text":"跟國務委員報告一下 行政院都按照憲法徵修條文的規定都有提供互助意見 謝謝對司法院的預算都有提供互助意見等一下 你現在是請你聰明不是 他太聰明了 他能夠講只有講到這裡而已可以不可以啦"},{"start":5637.915,"end":5665.342,"text":"我只能夠按照憲法去做因為我行政院只能代表我代表行政院說我按照憲法徵修條文提老附助意見我們都有提每年都有提附助意見謝謝主席長就在那裡有時候要發揮功能你現在就不要用主席長的身份我從預算上請教你你現在不是主席長喔可不可以"},{"start":5666.496,"end":5689.107,"text":"可不可以 我一直問你嘛 因為現在涉及到問題 因為他的科目之間調整只有在他那個高院可以調嗎 會不會總預算裡面不能 他的如果是 他們是一個獨立的單位預算是不能夠調的如果是單位預算 不同的機關不能調高等委員 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接下來考試驗"},{"start":5914.218,"end":5916.846,"text":"好了好了好了好了 休息一下 休息一會兒"},{"start":5925.952,"end":5926.072,"text":"主席"},{"start":6184.451,"end":6212.432,"text":"好 那我們就繼續這個時代力量黨團他有講他去那個委員會這個環保委員那他有講說對這裡沒有意見就跟他報告一下那現在我們就來進行考試院主管的部分那首先介紹列席的首長考試院秘書長劉建新先生"},{"start":6221.391,"end":6228.992,"text":"好,那我們就請大家看109案改組結議,沒有意見就通過110,並委員會結議辦理,提書面報告,沒有意見通過11,改組結議,沒有意見通過12,改組結議,沒有意見通過13,動10萬元,沒有意見通過14,動5萬元,沒有意見通過15,組結議有意見,來"},{"start":6248.116,"end":6269.647,"text":"114的部分我們同意但是想這邊就教一下那個祕書長 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有一些朋友會做一些這個意見的討論"},{"start":6449.707,"end":6476.517,"text":"合適嗎因為其實就有很多時候這個也有跟一些相關的政策跟我們相關政策是會做一些意見交換那同時因為有時候是拜訪朋友交換選舉意見合適嗎我們不會交換選舉意見民主黨最好不要啦好不好這樣的消息出來對選情沒有幫助啦"},{"start":6478.993,"end":6479.733,"text":"116案主決議 117案主決議 有沒有意見"},{"start":6501.331,"end":6529.776,"text":"好那就照案通過118案主決議好照案通過119案主決議好照案通過接下來就是考選部那我介紹一下考選部部長許書強先生好那我們就進行120案改主決議沒有意見通過121案改主決議沒有意見通過122案主決議有沒有意見好那就照案通過"},{"start":6530.714,"end":6539.99,"text":"那接下來就全序部部長周作宏先生好那我請大家看123案改組決議沒有見通過124案凍結50萬年那"},{"start":6545.363,"end":6572.372,"text":"是不是可以見請凍結十萬元然後三個月書面報告那本案我們有瞭解陳晚會委員的關心是有關於鄉鎮市民代表會祕書的植物列等那我們已經在檢討當中我們可以在三個月內做一個建議陳委員那邊是比較在乎是什麼時候可以做成決定這個案子我們保留好不好陳晚會委員他堅持保留"},{"start":6572.892,"end":6573.912,"text":"124 保留125 改組結議126 撤案127 組結議128 組結議129 組結議129 組結議"},{"start":6602.145,"end":6604.086,"text":"主席主席主席主席主席"},{"start":6622.267,"end":6626.809,"text":"公務延年保障及培訓委員會．主任委員堅證國家文官學院院長．培芝女士"},{"start":6642.95,"end":6644.471,"text":"公務連連退休府系基金管理局局長陳明賢先生"},{"start":6673.444,"end":6690.555,"text":"來 請大家看135案改組結議 沒有意見通過136組結議 作文就修正 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那這個部分"},{"start":8610.255,"end":8611.861,"text":"報告主席那個改動節20萬已經簽名了"},{"start":8617.034,"end":8645.003,"text":"來改動結二十五案沒有見通過二十一案並委員會決議辦理沒有見通過二十二案改組決議沒有見通過二十三案改組決議沒有見通過二十四案改組決議沒有見通過二十五案改組決議沒有見通過二十六案改組決議沒有見通過二十七案改組決議沒有見通過二十八案改組決議沒有見通過二十九案改組決議沒有見通過"},{"start":8646.664,"end":8674.663,"text":"30案凍結10萬年沒有意見通過31案主決議有沒有意見?遵照辦理好 照案通過32案主決議有沒有意見?遵照辦理好 照案通過33案主決議文字修正沒有意見修正通過34案主決議有沒有意見?遵照辦理好 照案通過35案主決議遵照辦理好 照案通過36案主決議遵照辦理照案通過37案主決議遵照辦理照案通過38案主...啊 怎麼樣?"},{"start":8677.779,"end":8683.143,"text":"你認為國內的低薪成為國安問題,你作為勞動部的部長,你有沒有什麼想法?"},{"start":8706.942,"end":8715.769,"text":"陳總長,其實勞動部在我們全管範圍,我們一直很努力。這8年來,就我們自己所主管的基本工資,我們8年連續調升。"},{"start":8719.332,"end":8719.492,"text":"主席"},{"start":8734.386,"end":8736.387,"text":"８立法院黨團協商８公務預算部分８公務預算部分８"},{"start":8759.205,"end":8773.893,"text":"市長適用最低工資法的現在的勞工大概多少人報告委員大概240萬左右總數勞工有多少總數受付勞工的話大概900萬那您這一次的最低工資法通過會有效益嗎"},{"start":8785.98,"end":8810.16,"text":"報告委我覺得一定會有幫助一定會有效益因為這幾年雖然沒有最低工資法我用基本工資的審議辦法我們也連續8年調升而且調升的幅度我看崗委報告調升的幅度是非常非常大的那未來的這個最低工資法因為它整個審議的制度更健全程序更明確審議的指標也更清楚"},{"start":8810.88,"end":8813.541,"text":"民團都不看好 我也不看好 有少數民團 有很多勞團肯定我們 像勞政 全產種"},{"start":8834.085,"end":8850.035,"text":"他們都看得很清楚 那個也一再他們對這個法律要通過都很期待謝謝委員總召你們的支持讓這個法草野的委員支持讓我們法輪功順利通過我們不支持啊比如說條件不得低於7年度CPI我們不支持"},{"start":8850.775,"end":8866.302,"text":"報告總召這個部分其實我其實那天在委員會有跟您說過有時候我們必須在一個法你要把它定死說不能第一某個其實在現在世界各主要國家的有最低公司法沒有這樣定那其實今天也有老團提出有"},{"start":8870.664,"end":8894.633,"text":"今天有勞團說是不是用這樣子說不得定某個指標它說不見得對勞工有利所以我是覺得我們其實以這幾年的審議我們的經驗跟總統報告我們其實重視在疫情我們全數都反映我們的CPI甚至在參佐GDP等等條幅都比這個CPI還高你的問題大家都自己講出來了"},{"start":8897.179,"end":8908.821,"text":"疫情期間就用政府的政府補助嘛 你也講了嘛 對不對所以意思是說 政總長的話就用不得已低於前年CPI是對的"},{"start":8910.535,"end":8933.493,"text":"只是你不敢 不敢答應對不對不是 這個報告總長 因為我們有時候法律定在那邊比如說遇到特殊的情況 你少個一塊錢都不行那一個法這麼硬的話 我覺得不見得是好啦世界最主要的國家幾乎都是給我們審議委員更多的談席去參佐當時的情況來決定這個公司啦"},{"start":8938.12,"end":8939.1,"text":"現在請大家看38案38案主決議 沒人見通過"},{"start":8969.062,"end":8982.949,"text":"三十九案 主決議 有沒有意見遵照辦理好 照案通過四十案 主決議文字修正這個有文字修正有文字修正主決議 文字修正那沒有意見就修正通過"},{"start":8984.731,"end":8985.892,"text":" 41 案主決議有沒有見?"},{"start":8985.892,"end":9006.851,"text":"遵照辦理好 照案通過42 案遵照辦理好 照案通過43 案主決議有做文書修正﹖沒有意見就修正通過44 案主決議遵照辦理好 照案通過45 案撤案46 案主決議有做文書修正﹖沒有意見就修正通過47 案主決議遵照辦理好 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那個 劉思汪委員劉思汪委員發言以後 如果還沒有共識 我們就保留啦因為大家沒有共識當然就保留嘛保留等到第二輪我們會提那個終極的建議修正案剛剛那個謝委員所提到的部分這是所有的五個縣市政府裡面"},{"start":12438.411,"end":12459.766,"text":"只有一個台南市民進黨的政府 其他都是國民黨籍的政府我知道 我是說是讓他們先辦理情況嘛他們現在在辦理是根據所說的這個錄影的保存是30天那現在就是說未來如果要當成額虐等於是觸犯到刑法裡面的虐待兒童的時候你必須要有完整的證據 而不是被這些人就把他洗掉"},{"start":12460.426,"end":12461.346,"text":"可是問題是現在目前就是說整體我們"},{"start":12484.355,"end":12498.445,"text":"整個社會裏面 資安的人員就是不夠嘛我看沒有啦 現在就要錄影了嘛先保留 晚一點再回來討論啦好不好 因為我們還有一個建議只是要資安更保護 要上雲端而已我提一個建議啦我們後面還有50個案我要提一個建議啦其實我們"},{"start":12508.112,"end":12536.372,"text":"不是說要把他刪減所以希望說充分討論你看現在大家都知道說各縣市也在做把他集中起來弄等於是新北市雲已經有一個這樣的方式現在是要把他弄全國在一起的監視雲有這個必要嗎還是就分散在各縣市你去補助各縣市做他們的監管雲"},{"start":12537.493,"end":12538.936,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":12553.584,"end":12578.35,"text":"那個當前80%嘛然後各黨各黨提出報告各黨總選卷自己負責但是要一題兩題的問題大家要小心一點我只是希望充分討論業者啦 家長啦這個問題不是只有今天存在的存在很久了他們一直在跟衛福衛福溝通"},{"start":12580.411,"end":12581.952,"text":"暫時保留下午再討論我們還有討論的機會"},{"start":12596.385,"end":12603.55,"text":"212和213就暫時保留下午就討論214就是改為凍結5%沒有一件事通過接下來我們就環境部主管"},{"start":12639.618,"end":12642.219,"text":"剩下50案處理完這就結尾了"},{"start":12664.916,"end":12686.7,"text":"現在我們就環境部主管環境部主管我先介紹列席的所長環境部部長薛富聖先生介紹完畢那請大家看215案改為組結議沒有見通過216案改組結議沒有見通過"},{"start":12692.503,"end":12695.186,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":12710.188,"end":12712.889,"text":"公務委員．立法院黨團協商．立法院黨協商．立法院黨協商．立法院黨協商"},{"start":12733.334,"end":12733.554,"text":"主席"},{"start":12748.528,"end":12748.748,"text":"村委員的意見"},{"start":12771.614,"end":12780.438,"text":"一定要想辦法做到好 那請看217案 併委員決議辦理沒有見通過218案 併委員決議辦理沒有見通過219 改組決議沒有見通過220 併委員決議辦理沒有見通過221 改凍結250萬也沒有見通過院長我講一下院長我講一下那個剛剛他已經保留了沒有 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多溝通"},{"start":22098.136,"end":22122.124,"text":"各位先進,我們現在開始開會現在我們要進行的是有關於第二輪的就是行政院所屬及各部會相關預算的協商"},{"start":22126.127,"end":22140.727,"text":"在剛開始的時候就要先進行通案的部分那要進行之前我就先介紹一下列席的所長首先介紹行政院秘書長李秘書長李孟彥先生再來介紹"},{"start":22142.585,"end":22144.366,"text":"現在我們就開始針對通案第三案"},{"start":22170.916,"end":22189.34,"text":"通案第三案,大家要發表意見嗎?還是要文字修正通過?這個第三案有關於組結議的部分,行政委員所提的事務部的跨境備演的問題這個要重新改寫"},{"start":22200.707,"end":22214.072,"text":"說可以做文字修正是不是?對,文字修正反正很清楚,你們現在是怕反對誇之悲焉現在有一個小組曾經來討論這個事情明年度並沒有這個計畫選新組就好了至於蘇委部改的"},{"start":22228.632,"end":22246.742,"text":"我們沒有辦法接受你這樣改法,罪名都在罵我們,蔡政府做法顯然雙標沒那麼在看啊,怎麼偷跑之前啊整個文章在罵我們怎麼可以很清楚表達對於這個他們恐慌的部分,我們就沒有在做還是怎麼樣,這樣寫清楚就好了,好不好"},{"start":22250.307,"end":22271.479,"text":"好,你覺得故事的部分,我們可以不要?謾罵的文詞不要啦!沒有這回事啦!他這種做法顯然雙標,這種我可以同意啦!所以我不想只顧你們的,你要看看前面文嘛!你把國家賣掉,然後你只顧你的"},{"start":22276.04,"end":22276.581,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":22298.192,"end":22301.135,"text":"第一段第二段全部改寫就不要了你就針對問題他們擔心你針對詞就回答清楚就好了"},{"start":22324.529,"end":22351.903,"text":"現在行政委合併已經沒有了,民進黨預算也沒有這個他也沒有把文字修訂拿來給我們啊是不是?我沒有看到啊,我看到的都...為什麼只有給民進黨團?我不是啊有沒有,來重新寫一個好不好前面沒有改,後面也改,他只有改最後一段"},{"start":22353.715,"end":22361.12,"text":"沒有文字修訂,他新的文字修訂我們都沒有拿到這個部分,其實的確行政院好像是昨天"},{"start":22378.103,"end":22400.788,"text":"大概13號啊13號才核定的啦所以我們在提案的時候他的確當時偷跑這是沒有錯的啦情勢變更了嘛但是昨天等於是昨天行政院才核定啦那不諱言這的確是有偷跑啦那另外一個部分大概105年的部分其實當時"},{"start":22407.268,"end":22421.733,"text":"趕快 是不是事劃部裡面趕快 有意見那個要劃掉就趕快劃出來 不然都要這樣耗著也不是辦法嘛我們就修改就提出來 把版本提出來修改一下"},{"start":22446.988,"end":22473.183,"text":"議員議員"},{"start":22479.929,"end":22483.29,"text":"這不是誰改的?這張原來是誰改的?這張呢?"},{"start":22521.359,"end":22536.85,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":22550.803,"end":22566.408,"text":"那個第五行這邊留幾個字好不好就是第三行到跨境後備那其性質屬新興計劃這可以留下來嗎這性質新興計劃留下來"},{"start":22574.469,"end":22583.425,"text":"沒有問題啦反正星星大概明年沒有星星嘛沒有就是說基本上這一個東西的確是全新的啦嘿"},{"start":22588.967,"end":22614.923,"text":"那幾個留下來沒有關係但是我覺得也要說明一下就是說其實在這個計畫的核定剛才唐鳳部長可能不在我們在於就是像各個部會都有相關的計畫那對於這個雲端備份的相關的就是資訊還有資通的安全的部分那過去以往我們也討論過"},{"start":22617.164,"end":22629.814,"text":"在於資安的人才目前國內的確還是尚未不足的情況下我們過去在商業部門的這些資料的外洩部分我們也進行過相關的討論那好像"},{"start":22632.196,"end":22632.436,"text":"主席"},{"start":22651.127,"end":22652.588,"text":"我們轄下有行政法人、國家自通安全研究院﹚"},{"start":22675.989,"end":22693.365,"text":"自安院跟自安署不同的﹐就是它可以跟民間一起﹐好比像說去開辦自安長的訓練﹐去訂定職能等等﹐增強全民的自安意識等等﹐所以這部分是在我們行政法人來做﹐不過也想澄清一下﹐就是我們在明年就如同柯總召所說的﹐"},{"start":22694.045,"end":22694.825,"text":"市長要注意一下,就這樣"},{"start":22720.612,"end":22745.574,"text":"等一下 是不是因為現在我們還沒有上位清除我們是不是應該要請數位發展部你們把文字修正以後沒有 你剛才又重新念了一次重新是要加幾個字那他把重新的修正給大家看一下好不好恢復幾個字而已 屬新興計畫你都會加我們同意嗎可以啦"},{"start":22757.773,"end":22758.313,"text":"一個就是後面改專案"},{"start":22784.817,"end":22811.51,"text":"對新計劃服務然後專案啦好不好可以啊沒有關係可以啊反正越報告越清楚啦好OK吧要有特別唸一遍嗎還是就這樣唸一遍好不好因為又改了很多東西欸是不是應該要再唸一遍要精確啦對啊要精確啦我講一下啦就是剛才我們發表的部分嘛"},{"start":22812.677,"end":22838.925,"text":"把那個屬新興計畫加回去你姓氏屬新興加回去請蘇發部相應委員提出相應計畫之名稱、各年度提成及經費等信箱說明專案報告好不好專案報告這樣就好了好不好主協議主協議對來"},{"start":22842.574,"end":22843.135,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":22862.13,"end":22862.93,"text":"處理完畢"},{"start":22887.967,"end":22896.992,"text":"大家沒有意見,讓唐後部長可以離開接下來我們就處理行政院主管的部分"},{"start":22903.588,"end":22925.554,"text":"內政委員會一半保留27案 溝通有結果現在有4個案 還剩下23案要處理行政院主管的部分 剛才已經有介紹 行政院秘書長在場李孟彥先生"},{"start":22943.143,"end":22952.786,"text":"第二幕第12案12案這邊是不是建議修改這個文字有在各位委員的桌上在哪裡然後"},{"start":22957.804,"end":22964.294,"text":"請行政院督促法務部及NCC一三個月內提出書面報告"},{"start":22966.451,"end":22987.929,"text":"目前這樣子的修正我們不會接受因為公益信託修法行政院這樣子不負責任遙遙無期那不能因為法律沒過就無視問題所以就是請行政院盤點各機關公益信託監管的實況就現況問題提出檢討對策"},{"start":22992.948,"end":23018.422,"text":"目前這個信託法的修正案已經在司法委員會所以司法委員會如果趕快審查不要主決議還是凍結這樣可以嗎文字目前那就勉強接受他原來有一個病案凍結就不要病案就獨立案好不好那就保留了好不好"},{"start":23019.514,"end":23047.841,"text":"那是不是保留再保留一下為什麼要保留呢就我們既同意文字就獨立案了就好啦你們要互相我覺得只是拿錢幣這樣子動不動就欺負小黨嘛那文字我們已經勉強接受那就是獨立修正啊我們剛剛不是說修正那現在就是維持我們的原來的凍結"},{"start":23051.98,"end":23063.15,"text":"陳督委你是希望凍結百分之十對不對那全部才一百二十九萬而已啊那我們降一點好了凍結十萬好了啊十萬塊原來十趴只有十二萬"},{"start":23074.824,"end":23077.547,"text":"原來只有凍結12萬你現在要提高到20萬凍結6萬可以嗎有啊有讓啦"},{"start":23094.465,"end":23095.906,"text":"第十二案 改為凍結六萬年"},{"start":23113.41,"end":23138.439,"text":"改組決議那主要文字的有一些修正就是專案報告改成書面報告那使得動資拿掉那21案有沒有問題有問題有問題來請那這個才就是這是民眾黨這邊提才動200萬那現在這個行政院這邊文字暢改不對啦你們這文字改了就把我們原意曲解了啦"},{"start":23139.952,"end":23140.492,"text":"文字改中心一點好不好"},{"start":23167.073,"end":23168.614,"text":"可不可以併案,原來併案50萬,併這個科目"},{"start":23189.932,"end":23190.493,"text":"委員多少 委員多少"},{"start":23208.642,"end":23226.47,"text":"委員會案是五十才五十啊行政院積極打詐不要說毫無自己成效但是也不能說已有成效成效待評估啦好不好我們不要分出有沒有成效我們說他應該積極打詐就好了"},{"start":23228.351,"end":23228.491,"text":"一百萬"},{"start":23256.371,"end":23257.492,"text":"二十一案"},{"start":23277.539,"end":23302.858,"text":"二十一案我確認一下二十一案就是凍結一百萬年提書面報告文字修正沒有意見就通過二十五案有文字修正主要是專案報告改成書面折成原住民委員會"},{"start":23304.892,"end":23317.382,"text":"好 那凍結的數目一樣嗎凍結的數目可不可以並按因為改組決議就把凍就改成組決議這總共一千三十凍凍五百是太多了吧"},{"start":23320.049,"end":23335.241,"text":"或是建議併案、併案凍結這個委員他還好像那個是不是行政院還沒有溝通因為沒有等到委員我跟他有約委員見面可是委員沒有給時間我們就處理了好不好因為這個還是保留"},{"start":23349.916,"end":23351.137,"text":"25案保留26案"},{"start":23380.496,"end":23395.869,"text":"有文字修正那看了一下修正的文字就是我們還是要動啦所以就是那我們不要並動啦我們還是要動一下這樣子那我們就動50要動一下站起來動一動就好了"},{"start":23405.24,"end":23405.38,"text":"26案 動50案"},{"start":23425.489,"end":23426.77,"text":"文字有送給各位委員的桌上"},{"start":23444.622,"end":23445.743,"text":"26案就是 文字修正 凍結50萬 沒有意見 通過"},{"start":23472.249,"end":23485.095,"text":"凍結那邊劃掉的再寫回去啊?就是文字修正裡面原來把凍結兩百萬劃掉,現在改成凍結五十萬那凍結五十萬讓我問問吧凍結五十萬讓我問問吧凍結五十萬讓我問問"},{"start":23503.445,"end":23522.373,"text":"為終止行政案前保障人權保障,讓節50萬,然後3個月提出書面報告提出研議修正草案,書面報告"},{"start":23538.052,"end":23538.453,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":23550.496,"end":23569.354,"text":"文字修正就你們注意一下啦行政院跟你們去注意一下文字你修好了修好了好那就這樣文字沒有修好文字再請行政院給我們你剛剛修50萬那個再修給我們再給我們再修正動輒50萬再投在那邊就有了嘛你動輒200改50就結束了"},{"start":23579.298,"end":23581.22,"text":"對 再重新送一張簽名 好 謝謝"},{"start":23597.844,"end":23626.407,"text":"好,好,好,來,我們就...動五十萬嘛,齁動五十萬,嘿,我們就修正我們就修正嘛,好,OK來,二十九案,通山客戶,我們就...通案處理,可以嗎?在哪裡?在這一個併通山好,那沒意見就通過啦好,來,再來三十案"},{"start":23628.348,"end":23629.909,"text":"本來就是該做的事"},{"start":23647.805,"end":23673.072,"text":"我們只是希望說你們有一個書面報告而已嘛原來這個其實應該還好吧這個是不是可以改成組結議那就改成組結議那書面報告好不好原來就是應該其實這個應該是給我們這樣好不好專案的啦好不好因為這個其實本來就是應該其實連那個"},{"start":23676.251,"end":23702.732,"text":"之前都已經變為維線了嘛這個我們的個資保護不足的這個問題那現在我們這個個資保護委員會的這個獨立機關這樣的他整個是不是這樣可不可以就是說用書面報告然後動比如說兩百萬或一百萬好啊那就兩百萬好了好不好就書面報告你們已經也刪了幾個一些東西了嘛沒關係好"},{"start":23705.222,"end":23729.097,"text":"三十案齁 凍結兩百萬提書面報告好我們有一件就通過那個耐斯堡委員那個阿你們把他弄通山阿他是很堅持沒有剛好已經跟他溝通過了你有跟他溝通過嗎你確定確定因為他本來就是通山科目阿來不來已經沒有了本來就是通山科目"},{"start":23730.37,"end":23753.256,"text":"好 那第38案 主結議的第38案 主結議 有沒有意見那這個我們有提修改文字 因為裡面有提到一些說行政院有桃色風波啦 我想這個這個措辭 我們希望保留表決啦 這個要保留 要保留啦第38案"},{"start":23766.604,"end":23783.889,"text":"文字調整一下嘛是不是文字什麼樣我們有建議有一些文字的調整那就主決議那你調整那個在哪裡對啊文字調整一下沒關係啦那就照這樣通過好不好"},{"start":23788.249,"end":23812.054,"text":"好啦 調整一下啦這個還是先保留好不好 因為那個孟愷孟愷有說希望先保留沒有啦 因為其實信憑的業務信憑的委員會都現在都已經強化而且在正常的現狀那個時候信憑商會改了嘛所以其實這個不要有這麼多比較"},{"start":23814.615,"end":23831.522,"text":"觸目驚心的字眼 功能是一樣的我想38跟42其實都類似 42也是這個 其實他們都建議要表決委員啦 38 42先留著啦 先留著好不好已經斷掉了 沒有了"},{"start":23838.594,"end":23866.385,"text":"會有啦那就保留啦先保留啦先保留啦42我是建議因為42李建鈺他已經離職那現在性騷擾的調查也出來會對他追加做處分所以最後這些處分的結果也都會來跟各位報告所以是不是這個可以那處分結果已經出來了嘛也陸續他在提人憑"},{"start":23869.547,"end":23878.252,"text":"要結案了吧那我們是不是做了一下文字修正阿你是不是先保留我們做文字修正阿你把文字修正拿來好不好42我們現在42我們有42了38換過來"},{"start":23907.074,"end":23921.183,"text":"這樣啦,是12齁,其實漢堡署長並沒有包庇署下啦這個蚊子要調整一下,大家講一下沒有關係沒有包庇啦怎麼會沒包庇蚊子調整一下嘛而且這個案子已經處分了嘛沒有啊,沒有處分啊包庇也沒處分啊"},{"start":23935.785,"end":23962.431,"text":"他沒有包庇阿 我們在政治只有這一點而已阿你怎麼證明他沒包庇你怎麼證明他沒有包庇沒有人知道他有包庇阿我才敢說阿我們有一些修正的文字我們是不是現在印給大家在42案對阿 38案是不是文子調整"},{"start":23969.407,"end":23994.1,"text":"有一個有一個桃子和波沒有不斷 已經斷掉了好 四十二 這個文字調整好了嗎 在哪裡好 這樣休息一下好了 這樣調整好好好 休息一下 好啦好啦 氣溫不要弄壞了啦"},{"start":23996.272,"end":23999.716,"text":"院長你可不可以請各單位先趕快溝通文字"},{"start":24010.478,"end":24017.08,"text":"不然這樣時間會拖得很晚沒有說保留的文章保留他們有修的是不是要叫人幫忙發"},{"start":24189.753,"end":24191.093,"text":"請看46案46案我們有修正一些文字"},{"start":24218.567,"end":24224.241,"text":"如果沒有意見就這個主席就文字修正通過好不好在大家桌上"},{"start":24232.675,"end":24234.337,"text":"46案文字修正通過48案組結議"},{"start":24252.094,"end":24271.406,"text":"這個48案如果要修,可能只留前面三行,其他全部刪掉?那就保留啦,那就保留啦等一下等一下,我都叫一台,兩行可以不可以?38保留齁?25也是嘛齁?現在是48?"},{"start":24281.689,"end":24282.029,"text":"48保留齁好那請看49"},{"start":24294.679,"end":24295.699,"text":"前面那個投入14億那個就留著"},{"start":24322.472,"end":24343.888,"text":"他後面有兩三 有三行文字 做刪除文字修正通過好不好 結構沒有改好 五十案主決議 文字修正通過五十一案 主決議"},{"start":24346.075,"end":24373.16,"text":"五十一就是 裡面對於居住正義有很多負面的描述 包括大撒幣所以我們是建議這個還有圖利財團等等的文字五十二有修正一些文字 是不是請大家參閱這是針對中中紀念堂要不要測儀隊"},{"start":24376.618,"end":24398.071,"text":"我們希望後面的文字能夠維持具體規劃這個部分可以保留這樣子嗎?對,就是請行政院,則請文化部來提出這個中正紀念堂轉型的書面報告三個月內就是不要書面報告,就是維持具體規劃可以嗎?"},{"start":24400.334,"end":24401.755,"text":"我們希望有具體的規劃"},{"start":24424.189,"end":24448.852,"text":"可以嗎規劃如果規劃繼續存在也是具體嗎對啊就具體規劃就是存在等一下等一下這是文化部的案啊這文化部的案子沒關係那就保留好那就保留好因為這個中央經濟黨以後的下一波轉型爭議不一致怎麼清楚那個還有整個修法包括中央經濟黨組織條例那個整套的"},{"start":24449.815,"end":24476.713,"text":"其實我們實例的這個文字都很保守了啦那如果說總召連這樣都不願意具體規劃都不願意 那我們就是保留我是講的比較完整一點出產條例我不予以指的清楚嘛那後面還有中央進行組織條例很多同項在一定有一隊 你把一隊弄走 同項還在 重點是同項嘛"},{"start":24479.755,"end":24479.915,"text":"主席"},{"start":24503.92,"end":24508.344,"text":"這幾案?90案 動輒100萬一般行政跟他報告齁 因為中選會因為有會議所以打電話來請假跟他報告一下"},{"start":24533.762,"end":24542.446,"text":"這不在集堅守投票的事情是啥是90案嘛 是不是現在開始90案 凍結100萬這個就是說是我們黨這邊提的啦因為不在集這個是已經是講非常非常的久"},{"start":24551.889,"end":24574.287,"text":"沒有啦有啦現在哪有可以不在即高型補回了嗎高型補回了是吧跟大家報告就是有關監索涉及者的這個投票最高型是已經補回掉原來這個北高型的裁定那許多地方就許多高等行政法院現在也是做"},{"start":24574.887,"end":24575.287,"text":"所以9393才是在講監獄的"},{"start":24609.148,"end":24620.472,"text":"對 但是90案是整個不在籍 不在籍這件事情其實現在我看我們不是只講監獄而已 是整體的 現在還是沒有辦法能做"},{"start":24622.038,"end":24643.687,"text":"而且公投法上也叫我們做這件事還是不能做這個案90案我們是不是本黨團這邊還是保留了這個要立法完成才可以規劃我知道但是現在就是一直沒有看到行政院或者是中選會現在的這個法案在我們面證委員會因為都主審了審了以後他們後來就沒有細審了"},{"start":24644.927,"end":24646.048,"text":"為至今中協會能為啟動執行黨掌政協商"},{"start":24665.188,"end":24684.037,"text":"要求推動該立法完成這個我們還在委員會,還沒出委員會沒有關係,我們就一案而已,就保留一下好了不是,文整調整我們可以來談一下沒有關係嗎?不用了啦,我們這個93我們可以那個啦,不要了,那90的話我們就保留這一案"},{"start":24687.432,"end":24714.94,"text":"9393939393939393939393939393939393939393"},{"start":24715.922,"end":24724.326,"text":"內文沒有關係啦 不要凍結啦內文沒有關係 提出時分報告沒有問題啊要不就是照我們的不然就表決一下也沒關係 一案而已啊改組決議我們沒有問題啦就錯不在中選會"},{"start":24739.4,"end":24747.563,"text":"就是說這個是整體政府的啦這已經談了太久太久了啦大家也有期待啦我們還是去看表決一下沒關係才一樣而已啊"},{"start":24756.294,"end":24763.864,"text":"國會是自主的他們是獨立局官他們沒有辦法給我們機會反正是我們的行政院不送來我們是沒有辦法審的已經在審了"},{"start":24770.993,"end":24771.994,"text":"行政院有提院門嗎?有阿有嘛"},{"start":24788.154,"end":24789.515,"text":"國民黨是林偉超總召"},{"start":24818.294,"end":24830.164,"text":"就其實這一案而已啦,我們就是這一案也是為大家爭取這個權利而已總召的意思是說這個是應該是在立法院啦那我們去圍欄中選會好像怪怪的我沒有意見啦煙有頭債有主這樣啦算是不要凍結嘛這跟我們沒關係嘛好,不然算了啦"},{"start":24842.352,"end":24842.873,"text":"文字就不用動了"},{"start":24856.325,"end":24874.651,"text":"免動節,文字有修正的免動節好,那就文字修正那就通過這樣給我們報告文字有幾個字可能要調整一下好,90案改組決議,文字修正好,沒有意見通過93案,並委員會決議辦理好,就這樣107案好,已經改組決議,這個已經陸委會,我們要讓他坐下來好了"},{"start":24886.488,"end":24904.082,"text":"事實上陸委會他們已經協調好了我們就主委坐下來我就不必再介紹了我們就107案現在我們就陸委會了陸委會已經協調好他只有兩個案我們很快的處理107案改組協議在哪裡107案組協議在哪裡"},{"start":24915.835,"end":24916.156,"text":"不當黨產處理委員會"},{"start":24949.681,"end":24959.107,"text":"現在主任委員林鋒正先生在列席我們就開始請大家看119案全數檢列有沒有意見保留再來請看"},{"start":24973.563,"end":24985.753,"text":"這個120案也是全數檢列這個我們改組決議好不好改組決議齁好不好可以啊你是全數刪除啊當然改組決議可以啊"},{"start":24990.876,"end":25016.657,"text":"好改組決議那文字修正那這樣那個文字說我們會是打擊一級建立綠色威權就跟事實就不一樣文字改組決議你都寫一個比較中肯的大家來看一看就可以你就把文字修正讓大家看一下好不好麻煩一下就文字要修正要讓大家看一下啦就這樣"},{"start":25017.551,"end":25044.295,"text":"好來 我們一百二十案改組決議文書修正那一種組決議怎麼可能我只修正一下 董事長那個文書修正讓大家看一下就這樣看一下大家如果沒有意見就通過好那再來一二二案因為是屬於通山我們通案處理好通山"},{"start":25045.209,"end":25074.09,"text":"他是通商科目嘛就通案處理比照幾檔再來是123案主決議123保留123保留保留好不當黨產處理員會一共現在四個案有兩案保留一個是通案處理一個就是主決議文字修正請修正以後讓大家看一下就可以了好"},{"start":25075.205,"end":25075.405,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":25118.523,"end":25120.205,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":25123.108,"end":25125.391,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":25139.798,"end":25139.818,"text":"好"},{"start":25162.637,"end":25162.677,"text":"主席"},{"start":25179.253,"end":25180.394,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":25197.009,"end":25201.092,"text":"好,來我宣布一下好不好"},{"start":25224.839,"end":25225.62,"text":"我們就繼續開會齁我宣佈一下"},{"start":25256.343,"end":25281.236,"text":"好來我宣布一下謝謝總商好來我宣布一下好好來有關於不當黨黨處理人會剛才已經有處理的20案就是保留嘛就是11919保留嘛那現在120我們改為保留"},{"start":25285.697,"end":25287.058,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":25333.159,"end":25333.62,"text":"請大家看144"},{"start":25339.937,"end":25349.785,"text":"修正文字就是把調查報告公開化掉那是不是還是維持調查報告應該公開這樣才會同意"},{"start":25352.219,"end":25352.319,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":25369.104,"end":25372.346,"text":"提案是報告要公開,現在針對公開這個部分可以嗎?"},{"start":25393.12,"end":25421.448,"text":"因為提給內政委員會就是已經就是公開的一個報告了因為現在需要內政部公開我們是正式提給立法院的內政委員會所以他其實就是已經是一個公開的一個處理所謂公開就是請你們就是在網站能夠把這個報告能夠對外公開啦不是說提供給內政委員會就算公開啦所以這個部分有一點不同"},{"start":25423.539,"end":25423.741,"text":"這個可以嗎?"},{"start":25426.919,"end":25428.86,"text":"二月二十四日提供內委會的報告"},{"start":25455.919,"end":25478.906,"text":"公開嘛,已經公開就好了嘛對,就是因為2月24號都已經提過了而且內政委員會也已經同意了好啊,那你們先這樣子改是,好那就編案,就144案就改為主決議那文字修正通過,對不對?對好,你同意了嘛,就照那個文字你們寫掉啊2月24號報告那個部分要公開就好了好,來"},{"start":25482.607,"end":25483.088,"text":"請大家看145案"},{"start":25504.909,"end":25505.57,"text":"文字有做修正"},{"start":25539.775,"end":25556.436,"text":"院長我再問一下剛剛那個報告要公開你們有2月24的報告還有其他的報告嗎該組決議我們就是2月24號提供有沒有其他的報告2月24號那個就是我們的行政調查是只有一份"},{"start":25562.003,"end":25583.983,"text":"是嗎?是只有一份嗎?跟委員報告,據我了解,我們好像有另外一個委員的部分,也是同樣的內容同樣的內容的報告?內容一模一樣的,是嗎?2月24號提供給內委會的報告就那麼一份嘛,跟外公開沒有關係"},{"start":25585.236,"end":25609.313,"text":"好我看這個剛才講的這個他不是沒有公開我是說公開的程度你還不滿意應該要在網站上也要有啦就這樣啦他事實上是已經有公開了啦齁那這個就你們在文字上修改一下等下看一下嘛齁好那接下來一訴五案齁那改組決議那文字修正那沒有意見通過好"},{"start":25615.304,"end":25640.95,"text":"好請看173案173是實例這邊的那個提案那這個主決因為把所有的文字幾乎五分之三都劃掉那這個部分我們先保留這個案子和前面那個案子一樣意思是一樣嗎報告是一樣的內容是一樣的"},{"start":25642.987,"end":25650.01,"text":"跟144一樣嘛 144都已經改了那一樣公開嘛 就併144就好了可以嗎 併144啦好 那我們黨團這邊就是兩案現在都保留啦144跟173都保留剛才講好了"},{"start":25665.29,"end":25666.472,"text":"委員我們已經把文字修好了"},{"start":25676.468,"end":25679.229,"text":"二月二十四號的報告太過簡短草率所以我們希望有"},{"start":25699.438,"end":25721.936,"text":"公布你們比較完整的報告那你們既然也不願意去說明清楚那我們認為這樣子不能夠呈現事實所以就是保留我沒有花很多時間你不能拗他嘛你不能拗人家嘛你搞這個搞那個我剛才求證說到底有沒有另外一份報告啊那如果如果是有的話"},{"start":25724.818,"end":25737.803,"text":"我們還是希望內政部能夠公開那現在因為你的文字我們沒有辦法接受所以這邊先保留我再跟你補充一下我們就是2月24號給內委會的報告沒有其他的報告 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院長我們還是保留保留喔對好那90案就保留好那國防部結束謝謝上將謝謝院長好來接下來喬武喬武委員會"},{"start":26225.207,"end":26235.312,"text":"喬文瑞現在列席的所長是副委員長阮昭雄先生那我們就先看157案"},{"start":26253.875,"end":26254.195,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":26272.953,"end":26274.694,"text":"首先就是國外會主管的部分"},{"start":26308.523,"end":26326.954,"text":"國安會我介紹一下列席所長國安會主任委員 國民信先生跟他報告國安會一共有兩個案請大家看第五案來看一下來"},{"start":26338.716,"end":26355.874,"text":"已經溝通完成了嗎對不對總召辦公室是說本案保留你們不是溝通完成嗎溝通完成決定保留沒關係啦 因為表哥說目前安排過啦"},{"start":26358.973,"end":26373.708,"text":"委員長不好意思我們確定一下因為剛剛那個行政院的那個第21案、第30案還有中選會的那兩個案子原則上我們保留我們不同意該組決議"},{"start":26375.663,"end":26376.884,"text":"主席主席主席主席主席"},{"start":26401.386,"end":26402.047,"text":"在內政委員會"},{"start":26437.199,"end":26437.439,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":26464.568,"end":26466.689,"text":"第六案是時代力量你們有修正嗎 不然就是同意嗎"},{"start":26486.267,"end":26511.052,"text":"剪列20%怎麼可能可以我們是希望可以並委員會凍結啦好啦並委員會啦我們是認為就是議後特別預算3800億之後呢我們的經濟成長率只剩下1.42%嘛是14年來新低那現在剪列的部分我們至少要剪列1%可以嗎"},{"start":26517.611,"end":26519.974,"text":"三千九百二十六萬 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