{"error":false,"id":["153657"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":153657,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153657","日期":"2024-06-05","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-1-19-15","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":1,"會次":15,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[19],"委員會代碼:str":["經濟委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2024-06-05T13:32:37+08:00","結束時間":"2024-06-05T13:39:38+08:00","影片長度":"00:07:01","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/18e54f584c581c98a90f09aca4164072a6cabf0dc0d1a8b7b5dc6a9f8e8436d6b210e5aacf32087b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"陳冠廷","委員發言時間":"13:32:37 - 13:39:38","會議時間":"2024-06-05T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。）","gazette":{"lineno":1308,"blocks":[["陳委員冠廷：（13時32分）主席，麻煩請部長。"],["主席：請郭部長。"],["陳委員冠廷：部長好。"],["郭部長智輝：委員好。"],["陳委員冠廷：部長，昨天賴總統去COMPUTEX，他說了幾個重點，第一個是屬於臺灣自己的資料中心；第二個是建置超級電腦來供產官學使用；第三個是持續培養人才，讓臺灣成為人工智慧島。這三個都跟經濟部有關聯，請問經濟部要如何來落實人工智慧島的部分？"],["郭部長智輝：關於如何落實人工智慧，我想我們會利用我們臺灣AI的優勢，也就是我們臺灣生產AI的晶片，臺灣也生產大量AI的伺服器，所以未來在AI的應用跟AI的訓練上面，如果我們可以培養更多的工程師，我相信對我們臺灣百工百業所有傳統行業跟製造業，大概經過4年以後，如果我們能夠培養20萬人的工程師，深入這一些中小微企業跟製造業，大概可以提升50%製造業來運用這一些AI的產品。"],["陳委員冠廷：因為賴總統說他請企業做的部分，他有說要讓臺灣一百多萬家中小企業人工智慧化，之前經濟部有輔導臺灣的中小企業數位化，從數位化才有辦法人工智慧化，如果沒有數位化，可能比較困難，花了大概十多年，但是我看到很多中小企業在數位化的部分，可能還未臻完善，現在總統有說出了中小企業人工智慧化政策的方針，請問經濟部要怎麼樣輔導尚未數位化的這些中小企業變成AI化？"],["郭部長智輝：這一部分因為我們昨天才收到總統這樣具體的指示，所以我們會在未來很快的日子裡面來檢討，就像委員指教的，沒有數位化的部分，我要怎麼樣子來引導它；已經數位化的，我如何讓它快速的智慧化？我想這一部分我們會快速的討論並能夠來落實。"],["陳委員冠廷：謝謝部長，我想從基礎做起，我為什麼講數位化開始才有辦法AI化？我記得在求學的階段，我們有一個同事後來去美國的白宮跟國安會，他第一份工作就是數位化給美國白宮或者是總統的這些書信，為什麼要數位化？首先就是過去只是把文字存檔而已，沒有辦法去分析恐怖攻擊或者是裡面含威脅相關資訊的數位，因為只有數位化之後，他們才能夠去分析有沒有實質上對安全性的危害。中小企業也是一樣，我相信要先把最基礎的事情做好，數位化本身就是第一步要做的事情。","昨天我們也談到，媒體有很多在訪問有關於可能潛伏在我國相關基礎設施，特別是有關於電力供應的這部分。我想今天幾位立法委員都已經有特別提到關於電力供應的部分，其實我對於常態性發電量的問題，我沒有特別擔心，我比較擔心是有惡意的小規模在破壞我們的電廠跟電網，這部分我知道包含行政院的國土辦公室也好，或者是國安局，或者是國家情治單位都有，可是經濟部有業管的台電、中油、台水，這些首要的目標，我想請問部長有沒有什麼相關的方式來確保這些關鍵基礎設施的安全？"],["郭部長智輝：我想在資安或者是實際的安全方面，經濟部都有一些規範存在，我們也會持續來督導這些單位去……"],["陳委員冠廷：部長，新竹峨眉的高壓變電站，在520之前，有人嘗試要去破壞相關的設施；之前在桃園機場也有工人誤剪電纜，我講的不是高科技，我講的是低科技，我講的甚至不是低科技，我講的是最基本的安全查核。這一次在新竹峨眉，我覺得是一個很好的例子，因為它成功的防範了，怎麼防範？它有完整的防範機制，包含監視器也好，或者是動態的監測器，就是只要有嫌疑人等，或者是沒有被授權的人出現在那個場域，有些動作就會被偵測到。所以投資設備甚至是比部署人力會來得更有效率，我想請問部長，未來有沒有方法或者是有沒有採取相關的措施在增強相關的科技設備做監測，確保不會有未經授權的人士出現在不該出現的地方？"],["郭部長智輝：是，在安全的部分，我們會強化，那麼由過去的經驗裡面，我想在這一次的經驗之後，我們也會導入AI的辨識，我相信更能夠強化我們在安全上面的管理。"],["陳委員冠廷：希望部長可以把所有你們業管的，從台電、中油和台水，我們關鍵基礎設備所有需要部署相關設備的地方全部統整，同時把這些相關資訊給我們的國安單位知道。我前幾天看到內政部好像會派警力，或者甚至國防部會派憲兵來做一些相關基礎建設的部署，我覺得這當然是很好，但是除了人力的部署之外，因為有些時候人力還是有它不足之處，經濟部本身在設備的投資上面，可以全方位的做好這些基礎設施的保障。昨天有國民黨的國會議員提到，甚至比較諷刺的說法，他把這些都歸類為這些其他的異物入侵到我們的電網，就算是這樣也好，不管是人為或非人為的、是抗力或不可抗力的，相關的設備投資都麻煩部長能夠事先因應來確保……"],["郭部長智輝：謝謝委員指導。"],["陳委員冠廷：確保我們未來不會三不五時都遇到這樣的挑戰。"],["郭部長智輝：是，謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝陳冠廷委員。","登記發言的委員除不在場者外，其餘均已發言完畢。李柏毅委員、莊瑞雄委員所提書面質詢列入紀錄，刊登公報。書面質詢和未及答復的部分，請相關單位於一週內以書面答復並副知本會。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":272,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-19-15","speakers":["邱議瑩","林岱樺","鄭正鈐","張啓楷","楊瓊瓔","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","張嘉郡","陳亭妃","謝衣鳯","呂玉玲","陳超明","賴瑞隆","邱志偉","洪申翰","牛煦庭","王鴻薇","陳培瑜","洪孟楷","王定宇","蔡易餘","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","賴士葆","賴惠員","羅智強","羅廷瑋","涂權吉","陳冠廷","李柏毅"],"page_start":199,"meetingDate":["2024-06-05"],"gazette_id":"1135601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1135601_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1135601_00004"}},"transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":0.03096875,"end":1.0265937500000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":6.27471875,"end":6.40971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":10.99971875,"end":12.26534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":12.41721875,"end":13.598468750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":25.63034375,"end":26.01846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":26.60909375,"end":27.31784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":27.80721875,"end":34.81034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":35.01284375,"end":38.30346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":38.759093750000005,"end":41.59409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":41.931593750000005,"end":43.06221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":43.399718750000005,"end":45.44159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":45.89721875,"end":50.352218750000006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":50.352218750000006,"end":50.369093750000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":52.07346875,"end":58.67159375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":59.36346875,"end":70.04534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":71.41221875000001,"end":98.00721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":98.31096875,"end":105.01034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":105.43221875,"end":109.88721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":110.39346875000001,"end":121.48034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":121.90221875,"end":124.39971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":124.92284375000001,"end":127.70721875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":127.99409375000002,"end":128.58471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":129.09096875,"end":129.88409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":130.39034375,"end":132.31409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":132.78659375,"end":136.48221875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":136.76909375,"end":162.84096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":162.84096875,"end":163.06034375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":163.71846875,"end":168.98346875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":169.37159375000002,"end":176.99909375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":177.48846875,"end":181.70721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":182.07846875,"end":186.82034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":187.05659375000002,"end":191.39346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":191.66346875000002,"end":200.01659375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":200.43846875000003,"end":205.36596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":205.66971875000002,"end":207.59346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":207.91409375,"end":210.98534375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":211.28909375,"end":221.53221875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":221.78534375,"end":225.14346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":225.39659375000002,"end":231.38721875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":231.99471875,"end":235.33596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":235.67346875,"end":241.78221875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":242.06909375,"end":244.02659375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":244.39784375000002,"end":245.73096875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":246.16971875000002,"end":250.52346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":250.87784375,"end":252.56534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":253.39221875,"end":263.77034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":263.24721875,"end":263.71971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":263.77034375,"end":269.87909375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":270.23346875000004,"end":271.27971875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":271.56659375000004,"end":278.62034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":278.95784375,"end":279.91971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":280.22346875,"end":284.20596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":284.40846875,"end":285.48846875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":285.89346875,"end":287.27721875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":287.88471875,"end":299.12346875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":299.27534375000005,"end":301.97534375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":302.65034375000005,"end":317.23034375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":317.56784375,"end":327.00096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":327.25409375000004,"end":328.70534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":328.70534375,"end":338.84721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":339.40409375,"end":343.97721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":343.97721875,"end":347.82471875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":347.97659375,"end":349.44471875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":349.76534375,"end":350.91284375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":351.14909375,"end":352.11096875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":352.68471875,"end":369.66096875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":370.04909375,"end":372.78284375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":373.28909375,"end":374.52096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":374.87534375,"end":376.46159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":376.90034375000005,"end":377.33909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":378.18284375,"end":382.21596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":382.55346875000004,"end":385.27034375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":385.91159375,"end":386.78909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":386.97471875,"end":389.53971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":389.99534375,"end":394.61909375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":395.14221875000004,"end":400.32284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":400.49159375000005,"end":408.35534375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":408.50721875000005,"end":412.74284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":409.62096875000003,"end":410.78534375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":411.81471875000005,"end":412.69221875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":412.74284375,"end":413.40096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":413.40096875,"end":414.34596875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":413.43471875,"end":414.29534375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":414.71721875000003,"end":416.75909375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":416.42159375,"end":416.67471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":417.13034375,"end":417.33284375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":417.80534375,"end":418.29471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":420.45471875000004,"end":420.50534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":420.50534375,"end":420.52221875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":420.52221875000004,"end":421.48409375}],"whisperx":[{"start":11.057,"end":11.898,"text":"主席 慢慢請部長來 請郭部長"},{"start":25.657,"end":50.146,"text":"部長好委員好部長昨天賴總統去computex那他說了幾個重點第一個就是屬於台灣自己的資料中心第二個是建制超級電腦來供產官學使用那第三個就是持續培養人才讓台灣成為人工智慧島那這三個都跟經濟部有關聯那請問經濟部要如何來落實人工智慧島的部分"},{"start":52.809,"end":69.469,"text":"這個如何落實這個人工智慧我想我們會利用我們台灣這個AI的優勢也就是說我們台灣生產這個AI的晶片台灣也是生產大量的這個AI的伺服器所以未來在AI的應用"},{"start":71.462,"end":71.682,"text":"：陳冠廷"},{"start":98.371,"end":104.718,"text":"原來總統說要請企業做的部分還有說要讓臺灣一百多萬家中小企業人工智慧化"},{"start":105.489,"end":127.271,"text":"那之前經濟部有輔導臺灣的中小企業數位化那從數位化才有辦法人工智慧化嘛如果你沒有數位化的話那可能比較的困難那花了大概10多年但是我看到很多雙小企業在這個數位化的部分可能還未增完善那現在總統有說出了中小企業人工智慧化的政策的這個方針"},{"start":129.694,"end":152.893,"text":"請問經濟部要怎麼樣能夠去輔導尚未數位化的這些中小企業來變成AI化這一部分因為我們昨天才收到這個總統的這樣具體的指示所以我們會在未來的這很快的日子裡面來檢討那就像這個委員指教的這個沒有數位化的部分我要怎麼樣子來引導他"},{"start":153.814,"end":153.934,"text":"主席"},{"start":163.932,"end":189.983,"text":"謝謝部長我想從基礎做起我為什麼講這個數位化開始才有辦法要AI化我記得在求學的階段我們有一個同事他後來去美國的白宮跟國安會他第一份工作就是數位化去寫信給美國白宮或者是總統的這些書信那為什麼要數位化首先就是過去只是把文字存檔而已他沒有辦法去分析恐怖攻擊或者是裡面含威脅相關資訊的數位"},{"start":191.784,"end":192.045,"text":"昨天我們也"},{"start":208.327,"end":231.097,"text":"談到媒體有很多在訪問有關於這個可能在潛伏在我國相關的基礎設施特別是有關於電力的供應的這部分我想今天很多幾位立法委員都已經有特別提到關於電力的這個supply的部分供應其實我對於常態信發電量的問題我沒有特別去擔心我比較擔心是有"},{"start":232.017,"end":232.217,"text":"：陳冠廷"},{"start":253.444,"end":277.813,"text":"我講在治安或者是實際的這個安全的方面呢經濟部都有一些規範存在那我們也會持續來督導這些單位部長在鵝梅的就是新竹鵝梅這個高壓變電站的時候那之前在520之前有人嘗試要去破壞相關的這一個部分那之前在桃園機場也有工人"},{"start":279.033,"end":279.213,"text":"﹚陳冠廷﹚"},{"start":302.691,"end":328.337,"text":"有嫌疑人等或者是沒有被授權的人出現在那個場域有些動作就會被偵測到所以投資設備甚至是比部署人力會來得更有效率我想請問部長未來有沒有方法或者是有沒有採取相關的措施在增強相關的科技設備在做監測跟確保不會有未經授權的人士出現在不該出現的地方"},{"start":328.777,"end":332.1,"text":"希望部長可以把所有你們業館的從台電中油和台水我們關鍵基礎建設關鍵基礎設備所有需要"},{"start":353.197,"end":377.217,"text":"部署相關設備的地方全部統整並且同時把這些相關資訊給我們的官單位知道那我前幾天看到內政部好像說會派警力或者甚至是國防部說會派憲兵來做一些相關基礎建設的部署我覺得這當然是很好但是除了能力的部署之外我想經濟部本身在設備的投資上面可以"},{"start":378.183,"end":378.243,"text":"國民黨國會議員提到"},{"start":390.046,"end":390.186,"text":"謝謝委員知道"},{"start":420.492,"end":420.512,"text":"好謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}