{"error":false,"id":["153791"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":153791,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153791","日期":"2024-06-11","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"院會-11-1-17","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第1會期第17次會議","屆":11,"會期":1,"會次":17,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"院會","標題":"立法院第11屆第1會期第17次會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2024-06-11T15:35:22+08:00","結束時間":"2024-06-11T15:51:59+08:00","影片長度":"00:16:37","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/065bcaf30f002e2b2065a1fa92097cb3eab218bf194c2065f338aa976a9cb1d96ec415f885f277df5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"李坤城","委員發言時間":"15:35:22 - 15:51:59","會議時間":"2024-06-11T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第17次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。 \n二、6月7日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n三、6月11日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","gazette":{"lineno":262,"blocks":[["李委員坤城：（15時35分）謝謝主席，我們請卓院長。"],["主席：請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：李委員好。"],["李委員坤城：院長好，今天上午的時候，總統府已經公布核可覆議案，也在今天上午11點把公文送到行政院，同時也以總統府秘書長的函通知立法院，請問一下院長有收到這份公文嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：行政院已經收到這份公文。"],["李委員坤城：那請教一下院長，如果有機會的話，願不願意再來我們立法院就覆議案的內容做個說明？"],["卓院長榮泰：現在已經進入到整個程序裡面了，行政院會正式提出覆議案，未來在大院裡面程序怎麼進行，我們當然遵照立法院的安排，但是我確實很希望我們能夠互相提醒這件事情，就是希望能夠再有機會重新審視法條的內容，再經過民主的程序，跟委員們還有跟社會繼續擴大對話，大家共同來維繫憲政的秩序跟憲政設計屬於憲政機關應有的權益。"],["李委員坤城：我看總統府回復的內容，它說期盼立法院朝野各黨能再次審慎檢視法案的內容，找出合法、合憲，以國家利益為優先的最大共識。其實我也看過行政院覆議的內容，當然有一些我們也認為是違憲，所以當時在表決的時候，我們每個人認為說這個是違憲，雖然沒有記名投票，但是我們也講出說：「我李坤城反對立法院職權行使法的修法」，就是為了未來我們要修憲來做準備。當然也希望說第一個，覆議案如果民進黨結合不管是民眾黨或是國民黨，結合到57席，那當然覆議案有可能不通過；如果最後沒有辦法的話，還是希望就從釋憲這方面，再由大法官來做最後的說明。","有關內政的部分，我想請教一下院長，前瞻基礎建設是在106年7月公布，然後期限是8年，預計是在明年就到期了，現在編的預算上限是8,400億，算了一下經費還剩下703億，請問一下院長，會不會再繼續編前瞻預算第5期的預算？"],["卓院長榮泰：特別預算經過這麼多年的執行，確實也對地方各個縣市給予了很多在公建上面的幫忙。"],["李委員坤城：非常大的幫助，不管是我們執政黨或是在野黨的立委，他們在選舉的時候都講說這個是他爭取的、這個是他爭取的，我一看，那不就是我們前瞻預算嗎？可是現在剩700億了。"],["卓院長榮泰：但無論如何也感謝委員和民意代表共同提出地方的需求，有很多也是地方政府一同配合的，現在它剩下最後這個錢，我們預計會編第5期的前瞻基礎建設預算，特別來執行這個事情。"],["李委員坤城：那就是明年嘛！因為只到明年嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["李委員坤城：剩下700億，院長，老實講真的很少、真的很少，我舉例，以我們新北市捷運北環跟南環，北環跟南環核定建設總經費是1,369億，然後中央補助326億，臺北跟新北各有分攤，臺北市684億，新北市分攤357億，光是這個捷運，北環段而已喔！不包含我們新北市境內其他的捷運路線。核定的總預算1,369億裡面，到目前為止，我們中央政府針對北環跟南環總共是補助了55.6億，哇！我們有326億，到目前為止只補助了55.6億。在我三重的境內，北環段有3個站，Y21、Y22、Y23，跟院長說明一下，這3個站光是招標就招標了6次，預算從102億飆到173億才標出去，然後在去年3月有舉辦一個開工典禮，我要講的是招標現在也很難啦，光是招標的金額增加了七成，從102億調增到173億才標出去。就我的北環段來講好了，光是整個北環跟南環加起來，中央政府預計是補助326億，目前一、二期是編了55億，短差多少？短差271億，院長，短差271億！這個是還沒有估算追加的部分，而且捷運在明年之後才開始是付款的高峰期，因為招標出去了，開始要付款了，所以我認為核定的補助經費，第一個，中央補助的一定不夠；第二個，如果我們的特別預算只到明年，請問一下院長，接下來每一年，大概未來十年之內都是付款的高峰期，我們接下來這些預算，是還會再編特別預算？還是編列在年度的公共建設預算裡面？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝李委員。李委員來自地方議會，非常瞭解地方的建設，來到國會以後持續在關注這個事情，我想這個是你工作的延續，我們表示非常敬佩啊！但是預算的問題，政府財力就是如此，前瞻基礎建設已經停下來了，未來也沒有像這樣的能力能夠編足，但是很多核定計畫中的工程，就我所知還有數千億公共建設的預算在這裡。"],["李委員坤城：對，還有四、五千億。"],["卓院長榮泰：未來如果我們無法像過去前瞻基礎建設一樣編特別的預算，唯有往公務預算編列的方式，但中央跟地方就公建計畫的比例分配，它有一定的計算，所以大家希望能夠從中央、地方互相的合作，中央一定要維持這樣財政的能力跟發揮財政的紀律儘量的協助地方，這個是一向的政策。"],["李委員坤城：我確認一下，院長，已經核定的預算，就算沒有特別預算的話，我們以後就是每一年的公務預算都會編下去就對了？"],["卓院長榮泰：要考慮中央政府財政的能力。"],["李委員坤城：因為已經核定了嘛，核定你不能說特別預算沒有了……"],["卓院長榮泰：但是將來如果……"],["李委員坤城：接下來就沒有了，中央就不編了嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：有發生重大變化的時候，也許時程要往後延，那也是不得已，但是我們希望已經答應的，而且已經在執行中的，能夠按部就班、循序漸進，讓地方趕快完成公共建設，大家都有好的交通建設可以使用。"],["李委員坤城：好，一個是軌道建設，另外一個是大家也都殷殷期盼的地下停車場。當然地下停車場我也要感謝中央，停車場有前瞻8年的計畫，本來是200億，因為大家都希望能夠蓋停車場，後來追加了60億，所以總共是260億，但是260億也用完了。當然我要謝謝中央，新北市光是在三重目前已經完成的，或是現在做的有6座，有6座停車場已經獲得補助，但是院長，我們還有5座停車場已經報給中央了，已經報給交通部了，等待中央的前瞻預算，結果一問錢沒有了！錢沒有了！","所以請教院長，部長也在這邊，光是在三重，還有五華國小、興穀國小、開元公園、六張公園、大同公園，都已經報給中央了，有些還排在中央優先的順序裡面。請教一下院長，我們已經有報的，中央也核可的這些停車場，能不能繼續給予地方補助？"],["卓院長榮泰：交通部正在盤點它的需求，跟評估它的順序，我們請交通部說明。"],["李委員坤城：好，請部長。"],["李部長孟諺：是，停車場的闢建，確實是各地民眾還有我們委員大家都非常的期待，也都極力的爭取。"],["李委員坤城：是。"],["李部長孟諺：前瞻已經對新北市總共投入45億的補助，整個發包的金額也達到一百多億，所以對新北市這幾年增加停車場的供給，其實有很大的幫助。"],["李委員坤城：那接下來呢？"],["李部長孟諺：接下來我們在期待，現在也在做一些盤點，就是在前瞻後面第五期的700億有沒有機會再容納，或者是在未來的公務預算能不能有這樣的一個中長程的計畫，持續來協助地方。"],["李委員坤城：好，我跟院長、部長說明一件事情，如果沒有中央的預算，不管是特別預算或是公務預算編列的話，比如講新北市好了，你光是靠它的停管基金要它來蓋的話，它一定跟你講不可能，因為它也沒有錢，部長你來自基層，你也知道，我希望接下來這個700億，在前瞻預算裡面能夠再挪出一些金額給地下停車場，尤其我們自己有爭取的，其實你們也核可的，只是之前雙手一攤說已經沒有錢，我希望能夠優先把它列進去，如果這700億……當然還有其他要用的嘛，如果不夠的地方，期待能夠再編公務預算，如果中央沒有編公務預算，地方政府真的會沒有錢，他們就會不想做了，好不好？這能不能請院長這邊來給我們承諾一下？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，我想也必須請委員幫忙，我們現在正在用這樣的方式跟各界對話，表示中央政府維持一定的財政能力是必要的，不僅是如此，很多天災地變、很多長照預算的使用以及公共建設，我們都需要中央均衡臺灣發展……"],["李委員坤城：我知道院長講的是在野黨他們要提的財劃法，先挖了1,500億過去的事情。我的意思是說，中央的財政要顧，因為很多地方都需要中央的支持，不是先挖了錢過去，之後再繼續跟中央要，中央也要維持財政的韌性啊！","另外一個是有關動保法的修法，其實在我擔任新北市議員時有發生了一個茶茶的虐貓事件，所以我在2021年8月時舉辦了一個記者會，那時候就想，虐貓還有動物保護這件事情，大家要一起來關注。其實這兩年來大家都很關注，在去年的時候，就有很多人站出來，期待動保法能夠修法，那時候的農委會，也就是現在的農業部，的確也有提出修法的預告；但是院長，我跟你講，這個修法預告已經超過1年的時間了！然後我也問過農業部，現在還有動保司，他們條文本來要大修，有68條，現在精進到27條要進行修正，我只想先問，動保法的修法在這個會期提的出來嗎？"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員說明，目前動保法經過上一次預告以後，大概有八千多個意見，我們歸納之後……"],["李委員坤城：我知道，這已經……我只問，今年、這個會期能不能提得出來？預告這麼久了。"],["陳部長駿季：對，這已經進到我們部裡面的法制委員會在審查了，審查完了以後就可以進到下一步去報院處理。"],["李委員坤城：我建議，希望這個會期能夠提出來，不然下一個會期又審預算了，就又拖過半年了……"],["陳部長駿季：我預估6月底到7月初可以出我們農業部，然後到行政院，我相信這個會期我們會提出來，到年底看看可不可以……"],["李委員坤城：你要先提出來，我們才能審查、我們才能排案啊！"],["陳部長駿季：瞭解。"],["李委員坤城：其實大家關心的大概就是四個面向……"],["陳部長駿季：是。"],["李委員坤城：時間有限，我就先問，現在有關於動保員的稽查跟取締權限有沒有增加？"],["陳部長駿季：現在在新的修法過程中，我們增加了動保檢查人員的執法權限……"],["李委員坤城：對。"],["陳部長駿季：過去都是要和警察單位配合處理，不能私自進到……"],["李委員坤城：重點在於動保員有沒有在緊急情況之下可以進入私領域的權能？"],["陳部長駿季：有，現在修法裡面已經增加了。"],["李委員坤城：好，我再問一下，有關虐待動物的刑責有沒有加重？"],["陳部長駿季：有加重了，本來是有期徒刑兩年以下，現在變成六個月以上，五年以下。"],["李委員坤城：好，我再問到寵物食品的管理安全，因為你們現在是一個專章嘛！"],["陳部長駿季：是。"],["李委員坤城：那有沒有機會……因為現在大家都很關心，我剛才聽到沛憶委員也在問，有沒有機會把這個寵物食品安全的專章變成是一個專法？我們來好好的管理。"],["陳部長駿季：我們可能分兩個階段，因為現在寵物食品的部分是在動保法下面，我們先把它變成一個專章，如果變成專法的話，它的立法程序會比較慢，所以我們希望先成專章了以後，再特別加上寵物食品本身相關的一些有害物質的監控，還有它進口以後跟在國內生產，我們會一併去做追溯。"],["李委員坤城：好，我再跟院長說明，因為我看了一下他們的修法，他們沒有把虐待動物跟家暴的關聯性牽連在一起，按照我們過去的經驗來講，像茶茶虐貓案也是，他也是虐貓同時有家暴的傾向，我希望在修法上面，或是其他方法還是指引之類的能做一個規範，就是把虐待動物跟家暴兩者之間的關聯性做一個調查，我知道現在新北市跟臺北市有在做，所以我希望我們農業部跟衛福部中間也能有這個聯繫的管道。"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，現在已經在做了，就是本身具有家暴者，衛福部會通報農業部；然後有家暴傾向的，通常也有可能會虐待寵物，同樣的，針對有寵物虐待的這些案件，我們也會通知衛福部，讓它作為一個預警，就這個部分，我想現在已經有這樣一個機制在處理了。"],["李委員坤城：好，我是希望這兩者之間是具有關聯性的。","最後再問關於詐騙的部分，我知道院長也很關心，你也去了打詐中心視察165反詐專線，我只是要問，關於打詐，臨櫃關懷很重要，但是我們公股銀行在臨櫃關懷這部分，還有需要檢討改進的地方，按照金管會給我們的資料，攔阻成功率低於同業平均的有7家銀行，其中有5家是官股的行庫，而這5家金管會主委知不知道呢？"],["彭主任委員金隆：知道，我們……"],["李委員坤城：對，我也跟院長報告一下，這5家是屬於公股的銀行，理論上公股銀行要優先配合我們的政策。"],["卓院長榮泰：沒錯啊！"],["李委員坤城：但是他們在臨櫃關懷、防詐這方面，做得沒有比一般民間銀行好，這是需要檢討的地方，攔阻率不到30%的7家銀行中，有5家是官股銀行，因為這個資料已經秀不出來了……"],["主席：好，時間到了。"],["李委員坤城：我是希望金管會把這個資料給院長，看能不能列入未來我們公股人事上一個重要的獎懲指標，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：我請金管會列入加強監理未來的目標。"],["李委員坤城：好，謝謝院長，謝謝主席。"],["主席：好，謝謝李委員，謝謝卓院長。報告院會，休息10分鐘，現在休息。","休息（15時51分）","繼續開會（16時3分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":173,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-17","speakers":["江啟臣","陳秀寳","葛如鈞","黃建賓","劉建國","柯志恩","沈伯洋","萬美玲","吳沛憶","王鴻薇","范雲","王育敏","李坤城","林憶君","王美惠","邱志偉"],"page_start":89,"meetingDate":["2024-06-11"],"gazette_id":"1135401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1135401_00003","1135401_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期第17次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢─ 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收到這份公文了那請教一下院長如果有機會的話願不願意再來我們立法院就復議案的內容再做個說明"},{"start":53.13,"end":75.167,"text":"現在已經進入到整個的程序裡面了。那行政院正式會提出復議案。那未來在大院裡面程序怎麼進行我們當然遵照立法院的安排但是我確實很希望我們能夠互相提醒這件事情就是希望能夠再有機會重新審視法條的內容再經過民主的程序"},{"start":77.096,"end":100.375,"text":"委員們還有跟社會繼續擴大的對話那大家共同來維繫憲政的秩序跟憲政設計屬於憲政機關應有的權益我看總統府的這一個回覆的內容他說期盼立法院朝野各黨能再次審慎檢視法案的內容找出合法合憲以國家利益為優先的最大共識那其實我也看過這個行政院的這個復議的"},{"start":102.416,"end":102.817,"text":"﹚李坤城"},{"start":118.109,"end":141.073,"text":"就是為了未來我們要做修憲來做準備啦。那當然也希望說,第一個,復議案如果民進黨結合,不管是民眾黨或是國民黨,結合到57期,那當然復議案有可能不通過。那如果這個最後沒有辦法的話呢,那還是希望就釋憲這方面,那再來做這個大法官來做最後的說明啦。"},{"start":142.301,"end":162.578,"text":"那有關這一個內政的部分的話想請教一下院長就是這個前瞻基礎建設前瞻基礎建設的話是在106年7月公佈然後期限是8年那預計是在明年就到期了那現在編了預算上限是8400億然後呢算了一下經費還剩下703億那請問一下院長這個會不會再繼續在編這個前瞻預算的第5期的預算"},{"start":170.239,"end":173.889,"text":"這個特別預算經過這麼多年的執行確實也對地方各個縣市"},{"start":178.334,"end":197.501,"text":"我看他們在選舉的時候都講說這個是他爭取的這個是他爭取的我一看那不是就是我們前瞻運算嗎但無論如何要感謝委員和民意代表共同提出地方的需求那有很多也是地方政府一同配合的那現在他剩下最後這個錢我們預計會編第5期的前瞻運算"},{"start":203.398,"end":219.082,"text":"那就是明年嘛,有沒有知道明年嘛,剩下700億,剩下700億喔,院長老實講,真的很少,真的很少,我舉例齁,就是以我們這個新北市齁,這個捷運,北環跟南環,那北環跟南環呢,這個合定建設總經費是1369億,"},{"start":222.283,"end":229.246,"text":"中央補助326億,臺北跟新北各有分攤。臺北684億,新北分攤357億。這是光是捷運北環段而已,不包含我們新北市境內其他捷運的路線。"},{"start":238.206,"end":264.775,"text":"那這個合定的這個總預算裡面呢1369億然後到目前為止呢我們中央政府呢總共北環跟南環總共是補助了55.6億哇這個我們有326億但目前為止呢只補助了55.6億那在我三重的這個境內呢北環段有三個站Y21、Y22、Y23這三個站跟院長說明一下"},{"start":265.902,"end":273.905,"text":"光是招標就招標6次,然後預算是從102億的標到173億才標出去,然後在去年3月有舉辦一個開工典禮,那我要講的是招標現在也很難,然後光是招標的金額增加了7成,從102億調增到173億才標出去。"},{"start":290.1,"end":309.325,"text":"然後呢,就我的這個北環段來講好了,光是整個北環跟南環加起來,中央政府預計是補助326億,那目前一、二期是編了55億,短差多少?短差271億,院長,短差271億,這個是還沒有估算追加的部分。"},{"start":314.306,"end":333.661,"text":"而且這個捷運在明年之後才開始是付款的高峰期,因為照票出去了嘛,開始要付款了。那所以呢,核定的補助經費呢,我認為第一個,中央補助的一定不夠。那第二個呢,如果我們的這個特別預算只到明年,那請問一下院長,接下來?"},{"start":334.702,"end":362.354,"text":"接下來每一年大概未來10年之內都是付款的高峰期,那我們接下來這些預算呢是海外在編特別預算呢還是編列在這個年度的這個公共建設預算裡面?好,謝謝李委員。李委員來自地方議會,非常了解地方的建設。來到國會以後持續在關注這個事情。我想這個你工作的延續我們表示非常敬佩。但是預算的問題政府的財力就是如此。"},{"start":363.562,"end":363.742,"text":"對,還有4、5千億。"},{"start":382.267,"end":386.631,"text":"那我確認一下院長就是說已經核定了這個預算就算沒有特別預算的話我們以後就是每年的公務預算都會變下去就對了"},{"start":410.15,"end":410.915,"text":"考慮中央政府財政的能力"},{"start":412.813,"end":415.515,"text":"另外一個是大家也都因應期盼的就是地下停車場。"},{"start":440.214,"end":440.454,"text":"﹚李坤城"},{"start":469.207,"end":496.228,"text":"我們還有5座停車場已經報給中央了,已經報給交通部了等待中央的這個前瞻運算結果一問錢沒有了,錢沒有了所以這邊請教院長部長在這邊光是在三重還有五華國小、新谷國小、開源公園、六張公園、大同公園都已經報給了這個中央了那有些還排在中央的這個優先的這個順序裡面"},{"start":498.349,"end":523.081,"text":"請教一下院長,那我們已經有報的那中央也核可的這些停車場能不能繼續給予地方補助?這個交通部正在盤點他的需求跟評估他的順序,我們請交通部總理。我想停車場的辟建確實是各地民眾還有我們委員大家都非常的期待,都極力的爭取。那前瞻已經對新北市總共有投入45億的補助。"},{"start":525.083,"end":549.691,"text":"那麼整個發包的金額也達到100多億,所以對新北市這幾年增加停車場的供給其實有很大的幫助。 那接下來呢?那接下來我們在期待就是說看,現在也在做一些盤點,就是能不能在前瞻的後面第5期的這個700億還有沒有機會再容納,或者是在未來的公務預算能不能有這樣的一個中長程的計畫,持續來協助地方。"},{"start":552.168,"end":571.805,"text":"我跟這個院長部長說明一件事情就是說,如果沒有中央的預算,不管是特別預算或是公務預算編列的話,光是靠這個,比如說像新北市你光是靠他的這個停管基金,要他來蓋的話,他跟你講不可能,因為他也沒有錢。部長你也知道,這個來自基層你也知道。"},{"start":572.205,"end":599.992,"text":"所以我是希望說接下來的這個700億這個前瞻的這個預算裡面能夠再挪出一些金額再給地下停車場尤其我們自己有爭取的然後其實你們也合可的只是說雙手一擺說之前已經沒有錢了希望能夠優先把它列進去那如果呢這700億當然還有其他要用的嘛那如果不夠的地方呢期待這個用公務預算能夠再編你如果中央沒有編公務預算的話真的"},{"start":608.894,"end":626.759,"text":"謝謝委員我想也必須請委員幫忙我們現在正在用這樣的方式跟各界來對話表示說中央政府維持一定的財政能力是必要的不僅是如此很多的天災地變很多的這個長照的預算的使用以及公共建設"},{"start":627.423,"end":655.354,"text":"我知道院長在講的是在野黨他們要提的這個財務法先挖了這個1500億過去的事情那我的意思是說中央的財政要顧因為很多地方都需要中央的支持不是先挖了錢過去之後然後繼續再跟中央要中央要維持財政的韌性好這個是一個另外一個是有關這個動保法的這個修法那其實在我擔任這個新北市議員的時候發生一個查查的那個虐貓事件"},{"start":655.894,"end":684.886,"text":"所以我在這個2021年8月的時候我舉辦一個這個記者會那時候就想說這個虐貓這件事情還有這個動物保護這件事情大家要一起來關注然後呢這兩年來其實大家都很關注在去年的時候其實大家就是有這麼多人站出來期待動保法能夠修法那我們的那時候的農委會現在農業部的確也有提出這一個修法的預告但是院長我跟你講他修法預告已經超過一年了"},{"start":685.626,"end":685.846,"text":"臨時提案"},{"start":702.858,"end":729.15,"text":"這個會期提得出來嗎?我跟委員說明齁,現在目前動保法經過上一次預告以後大概有8000多個意見。那我們歸納以後...這我知道!我只問說,今年這個會期能不能提得出來?公告預告這麼久了。我們已經進到我們部裡面的法制委員會在審查了。那審查完了以後就可以進到下一部的部分去做抱怨以後去處理。"},{"start":729.75,"end":734.192,"text":"我建議啦 這個會期希望能夠提出來 不然下個會期又省預算了"},{"start":736.245,"end":762.677,"text":"我預估大概6月底到7月初可以出我們的農業部然後到了行政院我相信這個會期我們會提出來然後到年底看看可不可以你要先提出來啊我們才能審查我們才能排案啊那其實大家有關心的大概就是四個面向啦那時間有限我就先問說現在有關於動保園的稽查跟取締權限有沒有增加"},{"start":764.017,"end":790.8,"text":"現在在新的修法的過程中,我們增加了動保檢查人員的一個執法的一個權限。那過去都是要配合警察單位來配合處理,不能私自進到...重點就在於說,動保員有沒有在緊急情況之下可以進入私立域的權能?有,現在修法裡面已經增加了。好,然後我再問一下齁,這個有關虐待動物行者有沒有加重?"},{"start":791.661,"end":815.595,"text":"有加重了本來是有期途徑是兩年以下現在變成六個月以上五年以下好那我再問齁這個寵物食品的管理安全因為你們現在是一個專章吧那有沒有機會因為現在大家都很關心我剛聽到配議委員也在問有沒有機會把這一個齁寵物食品安全的這個專章把它變成一個專法出來我們來好好的來管理"},{"start":816.738,"end":844.767,"text":"我想我們可能分兩個階段因為現在目前寵物食品的部分是在動法法下面我們先把它變成一個專章那如果變成專法的話它的立法程序會比較快比較慢所以我們希望說先成專章了以後會特別加上寵物的食品本身的相關的有害物質的一些監控還有它進口以後跟國內生產的話我們會一併去做追溯好那我再跟院長說明因為我看了一下他們的這個修法"},{"start":845.447,"end":845.767,"text":"﹚李坤城﹚"},{"start":860.504,"end":860.844,"text":"李坤城"},{"start":876.791,"end":878.791,"text":"農業部跟衛福部也有中間這個聯繫的管道。我是希望這兩者之間是具有關聯性的。"},{"start":903.576,"end":929.14,"text":"最後再問這個詐騙,詐騙我知道這個院長也很關心那你也去這個打詐中心有視察165這個反詐專線那我只是要問說打詐、臨跪關懷很重要但是呢我們的這個公股銀行在臨跪關懷這部分呢還有需要檢討改進的地方按照這個金管會呢給我們的資料裡面呢這個呢我們"},{"start":931.789,"end":933.31,"text":"李坤城議員"},{"start":959.861,"end":975.225,"text":"好,我們時間到了"},{"start":989.157,"end":996.821,"text":"看能不能列入這個未來我們這個公府人士的一個重要的這個獎審的指標好不好?今天會列入加強監禮會的那個。好,謝謝,謝謝市長。好,謝謝,謝謝李委員,謝謝卓院長。報告院會休息10分鐘,現在休息。"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}