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這個消息你不知道喔?"},{"start":63.228,"end":84.378,"text":"哇,院長,在這裏面,我覺得這是非常嚴重。 因為他目前,他的所在是他海內站的。 所以在這個過程當中,社門跟金門本來就是差不多六公里。"},{"start":87.765,"end":91.249,"text":"會選擇一天下午做一個國際基金會選。"},{"start":93.412,"end":115.481,"text":"．金門13公里而已。．定於9月就是差不多我們立法院去到總統府。．總統府又回來我們來立法院。．就是像本席在家裏去公民路的服務處。．去到家裏車頭。．騎著摩托車。．騎起又回來的9月。．所以部長"},{"start":121.124,"end":131.225,"text":"在這裏面,院長和主委,我要說這是非常嚴重的。 二、六年就要完成,因為一、"},{"start":132.418,"end":152.249,"text":"未來要做的國際基金是一定會跟我們同盟基金,差不多都一樣,他可以有三十八萬人次、有四千五百萬人次,這是會怕人的。"},{"start":153.97,"end":165.655,"text":"尤其在這個規定當中, 如果完成以後,在那裏多或少,跟我們金門的領空有衝突的時候, 院長。"},{"start":167.082,"end":178.916,"text":"主委,再來我們的國防部部長,要跟交通部的部長,未來您簡單30秒跟本席聯絡,跟本席回答這個問題,您要怎麼處理呢?"},{"start":184.206,"end":199.483,"text":"好,給委員報告,今天委員提起我一定趕快去了解這個事情,而且我相信這個陸委會還是國防部已經針對這個事情引入他們專業的認定,是不是陸委會有辦法...來來,來請...委員感謝你提供這個事情"},{"start":202.246,"end":204.948,"text":"我們相關單位都密注他的機場進度以及對我方的影響"},{"start":230.143,"end":240.588,"text":"那特別是剛剛委員有講到對於我們飛航安全的影響以及對金門鄉親因為機場噪音造成的震撼。 這個問題要解決必須要兩岸適時的進行協商溝通才能夠解決。"},{"start":252.233,"end":256.135,"text":"三十六日回答本省﹚這個問題安全性﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚﹚"},{"start":278.291,"end":284.087,"text":"也是協商,我們兩位都說協商,來,我們國安部部長來,我們臨時會要怎麼處理?"},{"start":288.429,"end":312.672,"text":"這個問題是很嚴重的對,跟委員報告這個部分我們事實上有做過相關的這個兵推主要的是要維持我們的空域的安全所以他現在他有一個他襄岸機場的故意靠近他由南往北由北往南有一部分我們要跟他要有一空域的一個"},{"start":313.639,"end":315.42,"text":"你講到重點,就是民航機再來,如果一天他吃四塊寶貝要翻牆的時候,"},{"start":336.085,"end":336.105,"text":"部長﹗"},{"start":351.6,"end":370.312,"text":"對,所以先期就如同剛剛陸委會跟交通部講的,我們要跟他協商,但如果他不願意跟我們協商,我們仍然要藉由我們的相關航道的安全,我們要加以維護。這一方面我們國防部責無旁貸。"},{"start":371.653,"end":376.236,"text":"因為我覺得大家都要做好處兵﹗ 但是快一點如果不要做好處兵的時候,我們台灣中華民國的管理你一定要把他辭掉,這是最要緊的。"},{"start":388.405,"end":392.391,"text":"因為拜祖平如果不跟我們好好說的時候,有一天一千萬大戶兩頭清滾了,所以我問你們三黨委,未來的議會可以一個月給本縣看你們要怎麼處理。"},{"start":405.489,"end":433,"text":"因為你們要讓我去擔任,我覺得不會接受,協商他不可能跟我們協商。因為空域的安全也是牽扯到整個國際,因為他的祥安機場不是只有他內地,他包括他是整個一個國際的航線,所以國際航線跟我們到金門之間的這個空域的差別,他一定要來維護,不然的話會造成國際航班的危險性,這也是他承受不了的一件事情。"},{"start":433.387,"end":436.69,"text":"委員這樣的這個說明我完全了解 三位首長了解 我覺得首先我們要確保我們自己機場的安全"},{"start":453.628,"end":461.237,"text":"對 主權上的維持 飛航上的安全 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個 再用這個"},{"start":470.288,"end":478.132,"text":"有民主、有自由的,他會告訴你,這種壞話就要邀請院長,這過程會開始,我們中華民國的人如果去那裡,他都可以檢查我們的手機、我們的電腦,所以未來,"},{"start":489.758,"end":495.642,"text":"我們會站在國家安全為優先的考量,將這個事情很慎重的向委員所說明。來,在這,我們衛福部部長"},{"start":518.444,"end":530.769,"text":"院長,因為我來自嘉義市,因為嘉義市是一個醫療非常充足的一個社區,因為我們母鄉也是嘉義人,他知道我們嘉義市非常需要這個長照的問題,因為我們最近嘉義"},{"start":545.936,"end":567.162,"text":"臺東居室學院已經發布假日期政府, 累計為衛生福利園區。 我也覺得很高興,因為未來我們的假日期, 衛福假日期備應, 要建造這個長照大樓, 是"},{"start":570.489,"end":578.835,"text":"因為他們在這裏是我們的內政、我們的衛福,都知道教育區是老人的社區,尤其我們教育園是全國第一名的。"},{"start":601.575,"end":623.493,"text":"所以部長,在這裏面,我也等久以來,在幾年你還做衛福的召委的時候,我也邀你回來我們自己去看。主管要轉臺灣公家用,要不再自己去,已經沒人,老人,會生氣。"},{"start":627.523,"end":643.795,"text":"因為長照我們做得好,年輕人吃陶爐就不必煩惱,有長照說到那裡去。 所以部長,在這裏面,我如果你提起這個,你現在進行得如何?"},{"start":643.795,"end":644.116,"text":"回答一下。"},{"start":644.687,"end":661.095,"text":"好,首先我對於王委員、對於嘉義的關心建設,這樣通表示很感謝啦,因為我們爸爸媽媽都超過90歲了,都在嘉義。這主要你如果說這個界階要怎麼經營還要緊啦,因為我覺得你我才會為大家請出,都應該啦。"},{"start":668.809,"end":695.535,"text":"有提出三頁啦,還有我們住所款,部裡面的住所款,我們差不多這個數目,其他可能我們來平平靜靜過幾百分。因為我覺得你身為部長跟院長,我在這裡我也為家理事來請命,因為家理事真的你看,我們的長照所在非常地欠缺,所以部長"},{"start":696.915,"end":713.666,"text":"你如果真正要跟我去加2次看過,所以這非常的要緊,我問你,要多協助地方所需要,不然一屆一屆議團,說實在的啦,建設會越來越壞啦,議對人不會對啦,保證。"},{"start":724.754,"end":729.321,"text":"來,院長,我們這裡的部長和國務委員會在這裡面本席也有說到,我們的"},{"start":735.796,"end":757.984,"text":"我們的總督高麗芊總督就是在道士館去一間合適用的又大型的東西都可以放在那裡因為高麗芊也去一間總督的帳戶你花錢、你花酒的,大家都可以去參與,不然今天"},{"start":759.224,"end":761.808,"text":"雖然是要問這個問題﹖但在我剛才總監要到4點進來前﹖接到國劃會我們的董事說﹖"},{"start":772.708,"end":772.968,"text":"拜託院長：第11屆第17次會議："},{"start":791.752,"end":806.307,"text":"姑尼盲阿盲、堆阿堆、堆尬緊阿勒．已經再次有這個議程．所以我盲院長．跟主委．跟我們的部長．可以跟議員．都有協助．你來跟議員．的請過．"},{"start":812.734,"end":826.243,"text":"是溝通的問題,所以溝通部長,本席要跟你講很多,講五盲,你做一個橋樑,去那交易機交易官協助一個,來我問你部長,到現在你如何協助交易官、交易機?"},{"start":841.764,"end":853.309,"text":"跟委員報告齁,目前這個專案已經在我們1、2年齁,有補助我們...沒有啦,不然這個我都知道,這個經費,前瞻性,會幾月,這都我委員拜託你們請出待會給地方幾月啦,現在是說,我這樣拜託,"},{"start":864.233,"end":879.601,"text":"國內國立秘書長、教職部長, 拜託說是不是加以貫徹, 拜託出來過,因為未來的問題, 錢要出多少,什麼人要管理,這是最要緊的。"},{"start":882.602,"end":895.108,"text":"王美惠,我還有要拜託這件事。 兩星期前有說到這件事。 不,兩星期。包括我在柯總召委開會的時候,你還要做秘書長,他不知道你要做王美惠的時候,我就來拜託你。"},{"start":903.763,"end":914.052,"text":"現在我有請我們的次長,負責軌道的次長,了解分擔經費的規定。所以補充,領事要整齣,領事要中央的合作。但是要說,一天公共的都沒有。兩個首長要願意合作。"},{"start":947.986,"end":950.607,"text":"好,謝謝王委員"},{"start":955.556,"end":957.403,"text":"謝謝卓院長下一位我們請邱"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}