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這個下次我再來問部長還有啊"},{"start":584.865,"end":612.314,"text":"現在老師講說在學校寄校規跟校話一樣校規變校話像我們以前小時候大家怕被寄校規為什麼因為寄大過三個大過退學我們現在在學校寄了十個大過沒事然後反而還增加老師的負擔老師為了寄大過還要寫報告寄學生大過還要寫報告那請問一下部長這個校規寄了十個大過都沒有對學生沒有任何影響你不會覺得很奇怪嗎"},{"start":613.476,"end":641.767,"text":"要怎麼處理啊我想有關學生的違規當他某種程度他已經人地不宜啦我們看怎麼樣去協助他我這邊一個建議好不好我覺得我們還是要設立很多中介組織就是說你今天一個學生他一直犯校規也許他有校園暴力行為記得十個大過要嘛他就待在云南學校要嘛轉到另外一個學校成為另外一個學校的問題"},{"start":643.367,"end":657.956,"text":"那你有解決任何問題嗎?沒有啊?今天是不是應該要有一個中介組織讓他先到中介組織接受訓練或是上學然後再做處置嘛你不能說把校規當作是完全沒有那個阻力啊"},{"start":659.489,"end":686.039,"text":"我同意委員說的對這些已經進入需要關懷的我覺得我們教育當然學生人權很重要這些少數學生人權很重要可是我們更應該思考是怎麼樣保護更多善良的學生讓他們可以在一個無憂無慮的教育環境下學習這是應該也是教育部應該要注重的點這也就是今天為什麼我們要討論霸凌跟毒品好不好部長下一次我再來跟你討論謝謝部長謝謝委員"},{"start":689.355,"end":689.695,"text":"郭文貴議員"},{"start":713.308,"end":735.266,"text":"部長,上任應該三個星期了,應該駕輕就熟,進入狀況中了應該可以看得出來,特別是像今天談新世代,存出不窮的教育困境"},{"start":736.175,"end":750.614,"text":"那解方在哪裡呢?看起來目前都是頭痛一頭腳痛一腳問題非常多那部長應該會覺得你自己看法有什麼根本解方嗎?"},{"start":752.185,"end":775.056,"text":"我想教育這一個人才培育是國家的希望那當然不能只靠學校教育我們需要家庭教育也需要社會大眾多一份對學校教育的一個支持謝謝所以呢對這個部長這個觀念就跟我不謀而合就像現在"},{"start":776.016,"end":776.416,"text":"張雅琳"},{"start":796.192,"end":813.598,"text":"整個家庭教育這個就代溝越加的嚴重所以這是一個整體的啦這整體所以呢我在提的這個壯世代裡面特別提到是高齡化與少子化的雙解方其實這事情是議題之兩面"},{"start":815.859,"end":832.111,"text":"我們不可能去放棄到另外三分之一的越來越多的高齡化的這一群人讓他跟社會脫節然後去致力解決另外三分之一的人是不可能的所以呢你為什麼會成出不窮的困境"},{"start":833.372,"end":860.642,"text":"永無止境的惡性循環越來越嚴重部長也知道上次你有在5月31日行政院長總質詢的時候我有提出壯世代的質詢部長也有上台備詢那一次院長有答應成立行政院的壯世代專案小組"},{"start":862.202,"end":879.669,"text":"所以當然在這裏面教育部也納在這個小組裏面所以這個應該是願意這個肯定要推動的政策所以這個那我也看到這個部長在接受媒體採訪的時候有一段話"},{"start":881.345,"end":903.578,"text":"你說大家都在招18歲的學生那希望能夠推動讓30歲以上的人口能更自由的進出高等教育進行終身教育我想這是你的理念就是我們過去就像大學就是18歲在念的那沒有看到這麼多的空間其他的好像置之不管"},{"start":904.378,"end":912.169,"text":"所以部長有這樣的理念所以我也希望寄望於你啦啟動第三人生大學是你的使命"},{"start":914.14,"end":941.601,"text":"也很感謝其實這四個月來我一直纏著教育部對第三人生大學的推動也有給我一個正式的回函對於這份回函我是給予肯定可以看得出教育部是有用心的不是敷衍一下的是有在進行但是我現在還是要繼續的把這件事情落實"},{"start":944.543,"end":970.422,"text":"希望鄭部長延續之前的承諾然後繼續來推動第三人生大學因為我相信你剛上來這個太多的事物要理解的不過我也請這個部長對這個議題重中之重這個議題會解決到教育部太多的問題所以希望而且是有800萬的壯士代因應期待對部長你的期待"},{"start":972.932,"end":993.277,"text":"在這份回覆當中教育部提出第三人生大學有三個階段第一個就短期的是短期是委託專業團隊進行第三人生大學核心課程模組的研發那中期開始規劃第三人生大學的試辦計畫"},{"start":995.117,"end":1014.924,"text":"那長期可以第三人稱大學與學位的銜接有提出一個短中期的計畫但是在這裡我沒有看到時程跟如何落實可以看出來理念上是有納入這個部裡的規劃所以呢"},{"start":1020.97,"end":1044.386,"text":"我要給部長提供一些建議短期規劃當中主要在核心課程的模組研發在這裡我要特別提醒教育部千萬要了解壯世代的概念不要侷限在勒領銀髮的思維因為"},{"start":1047.89,"end":1067.262,"text":"所以要請相關的同仁這個狀態的相關的文章已經非常多了成千上萬的在網路上都有務必要去研讀要去了解如果不夠的話請跟我接洽好不好我非常樂意去上課"},{"start":1069.934,"end":1095.966,"text":"現在很多的醫學都在證明老人不是沒有用的像這個華盛頓的醫學裡面他研究說首領的大腦左右半球的互動變得更和諧他的創意跟智能持續在躍進創作力可能比年輕人更強通常會覺得年紀大沒有創意但是這裡說創作力可能更強"},{"start":1097.526,"end":1112.116,"text":"第二點是首領大腦雖然不如年輕的時候快但是靈活性會提升而且能夠做出正確的決定而且比較少受到負面情緒的影響人類的智力活動高峰出現在60到80歲之間那我覺得"},{"start":1116.178,"end":1128.745,"text":"我們通常我就要翻轉這個觀念就覺得很多人包括我自己就覺得60歲沒人所以這個教育部要教育他們你很棒 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