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️ ️"},{"start":156.561,"end":181.561,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":185.904,"end":205.234,"text":"為什麼食藥署還是不同意?我跟委員說明,我想我們跟衛生部有一個很好的溝通管道。當初我們也的確建議了,因為我們沒辦法用要求,我們用建議的方式請衛生部考慮用我們的方案二,就是長效乳。"},{"start":205.828,"end":227.415,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":227.415,"end":251.903,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":251.983,"end":259.881,"text":"我跟部長溝通。我直接跟部長溝通。部長說好,說不定食藥署覺得自愛難行,會不會?食藥署你說一下。"},{"start":262.01,"end":281.77,"text":"議員好,那有關這個6月5號的預告呢,那目前是預告期,那正在預告期收集各界的意見,那預告期結束我們會就各界的意見來斟酌處理。那現在本土的酪農認為說,就是只要有鮮乳,長效鮮乳或者是"},{"start":283.251,"end":301.968,"text":" proporting the question about the difference between pre-melted ESL and pre-melted ESL, will it affect the difference between pre-melted ESL and pre-melted ESL, will it affect the difference between pre-melted ESL and pre-melted ESL, will it affect the difference between pre-melted ESL and pre-melted ESL, will it affect the difference between pre-melted ESL and pre-melted ESL, will it affect the difference between pre-melted ESL and 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