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14:46:36","會議時間":"2024-06-18T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第18次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。\n二、6月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n三、6月18日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","gazette":{"lineno":5,"blocks":[["蔡委員易餘：（14時30分）謝謝院長，我們是不是有請卓院長以及外交部林部長。"],["主席：麻煩請卓院長備詢、麻煩請外交部備詢。"],["蔡委員易餘：也請國防部顧部長。"],["主席：麻煩請國防部備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：蔡委員好。"],["蔡委員易餘：院長好。院長，昨天看到國防及外交委員會的質詢，我想說哇！這個立法委員，現在人家說立法委員變太上皇了，質詢是上對下，這就已經很誇張了，現在還有辦法說中華民國的領土，然後把蒙古也包括進去哩！現在我們對蒙古這個國家，我想請教院長，蒙古是一個國家吧？"],["卓院長榮泰：外蒙古是一個國家。"],["蔡委員易餘：對啊！就是一個國家，獨立的一個國家嘛！那中華民國也承認蒙古是一個國家啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：我所知道的，1946年承認的。"],["蔡委員易餘：對，沒錯，1946年，院長很清楚的嘛！所以現在提到我們這部憲法的一個概念，大法官解釋第328號也說領土的問題本來就是屬於高度政治的、屬於國家的統治問題，它不宜由憲法來做一個定義。所以按現在整個國際的情勢來講，蒙古是一個國家，跟我們互相設代表處，大家都有很深的交誼，這沒有問題嘛？"],["卓院長榮泰：是的。"],["蔡委員易餘：我們外交部也都是這樣的主張嘛？"],["林部長佳龍：對，我們那邊有設處。"],["蔡委員易餘：都沒有問題啊！1946年，我們中華民國就承認外蒙古是一個獨立的國家；2002年的時候行政院批准了把所謂臺灣地區、大陸地區，然後把外蒙古拿掉；2017年 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