{"error":false,"id":["154542"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":154542,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154542","日期":"2024-07-05","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"院會-11-1-21","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第1會期第21次會議","屆":11,"會期":1,"會次":21,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"院會","標題":"第11屆第1會期第21次會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2024-07-05T15:33:52+08:00","結束時間":"2024-07-05T15:49:25+08:00","影片長度":"00:15:33","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4edc3fae9cb29e978664b1e1a7edaa4b412a25d0aa7d1a49c4cdf64d49d2681bda132672c464fa9d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"林俊憲","委員發言時間":"15:33:52 - 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