{"error":false,"id":["154549"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":154549,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154549","日期":"2024-07-05","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"院會-11-1-21","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第1會期第21次會議","屆":11,"會期":1,"會次":21,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"院會","標題":"第11屆第1會期第21次會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2024-07-05T17:35:28+08:00","結束時間":"2024-07-05T17:51:45+08:00","影片長度":"00:16:17","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4edc3fae9cb29e97f5791808e959d239412a25d0aa7d1a496034d888474fb5f9016580a9b45654d35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"徐富癸","委員發言時間":"17:35:28 - 17:51:45","會議時間":"2024-07-05T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第21次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。\n二、7月5日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n三、7月9日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","gazette":{"lineno":649,"blocks":[["徐委員富癸：（17時35分）謝謝主席，有請我們卓院長。"],["主席：請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：徐委員好。"],["徐委員富癸：院長午安，辛苦了。"],["卓院長榮泰：不會。"],["徐委員富癸：院長，我來自我們國境之南的屏東，目前在我們所有的區域立委裡面，我的選區是最遠，幅員也是最遼闊的，所以針對我們屏東的交通問題，今天要特別請部長跟院長來幫忙。爭取交通平權，一向是我們屏東人的一個心願，未來更是我們在發展經濟，跟所謂達到我們賴總統區域均衡發展，一個很重要的關鍵，所以今天希望院長能夠幫屏東人圓夢，能夠幫我們來落實交通平權的這個議題。","我首先要請教院長關於我們高鐵的部分，2019年我們蘇貞昌前院長正式宣布高鐵南延屏東，在陳建仁前院長的任內，我們陸陸續續完成的高鐵屏東車站的一個都市計畫，以及特定區道路的一些規劃。但是到目前為止，我們知道交通部針對所謂南延屏東的路線，有幾條路廊在規劃當中，到底這個路廊目前的規劃情形是怎麼樣？然後何時？能不能如預期講的，2029年能夠完成通車？請院長答復。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝委員。高鐵南北的延伸，是現在行政院國家重要的建設之一，其中南部的延伸到屏東，從過去到現在，委員剛才提到有幾條的路廊，包括最北邊的到最南邊的，最近原則上的決定會採取高屏二快，就是從左營這個方案來做未來路線的規劃。但是還是要再跟地方多多的溝通，包括縣政府跟各級民意代表跟地方的人士溝通，怎麼樣能夠達到最高的效益，這個方案的走向到現在會不會有工程上的困難、有沒有辦法克服它，原則上是走這個路線在規劃。"],["徐委員富癸：院長，因為我有跟幾位高雄市的委員在討論這個議題，包含跟我們部長也有一直在討論。因為現在路廊的決定會影響到高屏兩個縣市，有一些問題存在，那未來我們怎麼去克服這些問題？"],["卓院長榮泰：細節部長再答復，我們曾經討論過了。"],["李部長孟諺：之前有宣布高屏二快的路廊，目前還有一些技術上的問題正在評估跟要設法去克服，譬如包括轉轍的點、月臺的使用率等等。所以後續一個最佳的方案出來之後，我們還會啟動包括跟縣市首長，還有地方的委員、民意，做相關的對話跟溝通。"],["徐委員富癸：院長，我想是這樣子，因為目前我們高鐵的機廠設在燕巢，我們新左營是有一個轉運的功能存在，但是因為我們會被高鐵這兩個點包含車體、車站，跟所謂轉運點的一個限制，去侷限了所謂對屏東最有利的路線的方案。","有沒有考慮從燕巢，未來我們既然有說要延伸到潮州，有沒有可能把機廠就整個移到我們的屏東，然後從左營就開闢一條新的路線，是不是有做這樣一個規劃？"],["卓院長榮泰：燕巢方案也曾經是在構想的方案當中，經過多次的考慮跟討論，現在原則上是比較朝剛剛說的左營方案──高屏二快的方式。燕巢比較偏北邊，沒有進到比較密集的地方，所以這個考量在過去曾經討論過。"],["李部長孟諺：跟委員報告，燕巢在工程技術上有困難，因為那一帶的橋梁是簡支梁，所以它沒有辦法承受側向力，如果要從燕巢那邊，要從既有的主線插一條支線，既有橋梁的那一段全部要打掉重做；第二個，如果從燕巢岔出來到屏東，高雄會變成支線，以後屏東會變成主線，假設未來延伸屏東又延伸到潮州臺東之後，比如說高雄人要往臺東，要先搭去臺南，再從臺南到屏東，整個程序上會有很大的困擾跟執行上的問題。"],["徐委員富癸：這裡還是要特別拜託院長，我記得我第一次到立法院總質詢就是針對高鐵議題來提出，當時陳前院長跟王前部長都有允諾在2029年完成通車目標，可是到目前為止連路廊都還沒有確定，我們實在是很痛苦，尤其像我每天早上要來立法院開會，我必須5點多出門，搭第一班的高鐵，有很多鄉親，包含公務同仁都問我：立委，到底高鐵何時會來啊？大家對高鐵南延真的是最深的期待，請部長跟院長盡快定案，看在部長任內能不能有機會動工，這我們一起來努力好不好？"],["李部長孟諺：好。"],["徐委員富癸：謝謝，第二個問題就是屏南快速道路，屏南快速道路是恆春半島鄉親們說的救命道路，4月9號陳前院長已經正式宣布可行性評估通過，5月9號我也在立法院正式開了一個協調會，把交通部的相關單位找來，希望能夠加快時程，之前協調進度是說7月要進行綜合規劃的發包，跟著環評一起做，請教部長，目前進度是不是照這樣在進行當中？"],["李部長孟諺：是，目前正在辦理綜規跟環評，預計今年11月會提出第一份綜規期初報告跟環評，後面就會進行環評的一些程序，路廊也都已經確定。我想高屏快速道路特別的價值就是，如果將來南迴優化改善，南迴未來變成快速道路，高屏快速道路就會是環島快速道路中最重要且關鍵的一環，可以聯絡臺東跟屏東，接到國道三……"],["徐委員富癸：當時規劃是在126年才能夠完工，後來我們和陳前院長協調時，陳前院長也說能夠加快時程，但最近怎麼聽到要等到120年才可以動工，有這個訊息嗎？"],["李部長孟諺：我們目前的預估是……因為綜規要核定之前一定要通過二階環評，而二階環評一般都要2年半左右的時間，至少要有一年四季的環境調查，新的快速道路都要做二階環評，目前預估大概要在119年之後動工，在126年左右完工。"],["徐委員富癸：部長，這時間未免也拖太久了，現在才113年而已，還要花6年時間……"],["李部長孟諺：我們來設法看怎麼樣把綜規跟環評縮短……"],["徐委員富癸：是不是可以建議分段施工，尤其楓港到枋寮這段……"],["李部長孟諺：優先……"],["徐委員富癸：南迴過來最壅塞，因為臺東的車流過來嘛……"],["李部長孟諺：潮州到枋寮、枋山路段……"],["徐委員富癸：對，這段是最壅塞的路段，那這段是不是可以考慮優先施工，然後分段處理？"],["李部長孟諺：好。"],["徐委員富癸：是不是可以請工務局來做這樣的規劃？"],["李部長孟諺：綜規跟環評我們設法看怎麼樣……"],["徐委員富癸：可以同步進行啊！"],["李部長孟諺：讓第一期優先來施作。"],["徐委員富癸：好，第三個部分再請教院長，高捷到屏東也是很多鄉親的期待，高捷紅線南延到屏東東港跟林邊，預計我們9月底可以將可行性評估送到中央來核定，但是因為前一陣子有遇到所謂高架化跟地下化的一個討論，請教院長跟部長，目前最新的進度是到哪裡？"],["李部長孟諺：最近縣府就會……我記得它已經把可行性的規劃送到交通部，我們在7月份會召開會議，現在採的方案就是高架。"],["徐委員富癸：高雄這一頭也是高架嗎？"],["李部長孟諺：高雄從小港延伸到林園，小港延伸林園是地下，可是到了林園最後這一段是上來的，高雄本身的紅線就是高架，所以我們延伸屏東也是用高架來接，而且是在同一個站來轉乘。"],["徐委員富癸：因為我們鄉親之前還是一直期待所謂的一車到底這個部分，當然也要考慮到我們運量的部分。"],["李部長孟諺：對。"],["徐委員富癸：目前我們有沒有做進一步的調整，還是……"],["李部長孟諺：現在都還是高架接高架，就是屏東到林園這邊是高架，跟林園這邊紅線的高架銜接，但是我們是用輕軌的運量，因為事實上這種……"],["徐委員富癸：這是同一個月台再換車過來而已？"],["李部長孟諺：同一個月台換車就可以了。"],["徐委員富癸：就照原本的……"],["李部長孟諺：不用上下月臺、不用換月台，目前實際的運量估算起來，真的只能是用輕軌，是比較經濟也比較長遠，這種案例其實在北部的捷運也很多，譬如說三鶯線，它是到了土城最後的頂埔站，然後才會銜接板南線，所以高運量接輕軌或是接中運量，有一個在同一個站的轉乘，這種案例非常多。"],["徐委員富癸：目前還是以119年為通車的目標嗎？"],["李部長孟諺：時間的部分可能就是，目前如果最近能夠核定可行性，後續就是還有環評等等這個階段，我們來設法怎麼樣來加速。"],["徐委員富癸：這裡還是要再拜託一下院長，如果這一條核定之後，因為屏東整個對外的聯外交通，我們還有另外規劃了所謂的左營屏東線、大寮屏東線，還有大寮到潮州這三條路線，是不是可以請院長跟部長也幫忙，讓我們能再進行其他路線的規劃，我想我們都非常需要這樣的大眾運輸工具。"],["李部長孟諺：是的。"],["卓院長榮泰：是的，好。"],["徐委員富癸：另外，剛剛我們有幾位委員也特別提到所謂的鐵路高架化的部分，最早的時候，我在4月份辦了交通委員會的考察，目前我們有針對枋寮車站大平台，因為這個大平台有兩個平交道，都要等很久的時間，而且會造成淹水的問題，這個部分鐵道局有進行規劃，但是我們認為不夠，屏東縣應該要走全線高架化，因為畢竟我們還有好幾個平交道，都曾經有很多肇事紀錄，而且鄉親等待車子的時間也非常非常的久，尤其我們現在的臺鐵，機廠設在我們的潮州，我們已經有點類似捷運化的概念，但問題是因為發車量多，所以造成鄉親在平交道等待的時間也很長，我想這也是都市縫合一個很重要的契機，這部分可不可以請院長也來支持我們屏東縣的鐵路全線高架化？"],["李部長孟諺：這個部分我可能還要再進一步瞭解，不過，確實潮州發車會造成那一帶平交道柵欄起降頻繁、交通上的不便，我是不是再進一步瞭解，然後再跟委員做報告？"],["徐委員富癸：是，也發生了很多起交通事故，確實很多年紀大的老人家經過的時候，真的都會不小心就發生事故。"],["李部長孟諺：屏東之前已經完成一段，就是從屏東到潮州的高架，也增設了好幾個……"],["徐委員富癸：但是就差這最後一哩路啦。"],["李部長孟諺：這個是最後……"],["徐委員富癸：最後一哩路，這個要拜託院長跟部長再幫忙一下。"],["李部長孟諺：這個我們會現勘來做瞭解，再把結果跟委員報告。"],["徐委員富癸：是，謝謝。我想剩下最後的時間，本席要特別再請院長這邊幫忙，我想秀幾張我們的圖片，我們現在進入老年化的社會，屏東縣政府也積極推動所謂關懷據點的設備，讓這些老人家平常可以來這邊互動、做遊戲、共餐，以延緩他們一些老化跟失智的狀況，但是因為我們現在原有的公共設施不足，甚至包含我們的廚房也好，以及活動中心很多的設備也好，都已經很老舊。目前根據統計，328處社區關懷據點有222處是公有空間，106處是私有空間，沒有合適廚房的環境一共有172處，缺乏無障礙廁所的也有79處，所以就是我們有超過八成據點的硬體設備實在比較不理想，對老人家使用上真的比較不方便，本席要請院長這邊來幫忙，是不是針對廚房修繕以及無障礙廁所的修繕，給予縣政府支持？第二個，針對人口老化地區，能夠興建多功能活動空間。第三個，針對屏東關懷據點的軟、硬體建設給予更多挹注，然後給予更多協助；這幾點是不是請院長答復？"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，我們過去在前瞻以及特別統籌分配稅款，都有對屏東做了一些類似剛剛委員提到的這些補助，現在前瞻已經結束了，但我們再另外想辦法籌措其他適當財源，對地方作補助。"],["徐委員富癸：好。跟院長報告，現在內政部補助村里活動中心一個只剩下400萬，但是現在因為物調，根本蓋不起來，隨便蓋都要一、二千萬，是否應該要檢討一下這個補助400萬的規定？能不能再拉高上限，以減輕我們鄉鎮公所和縣市政府的負擔？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們再設法找適當的財源來做相關的補助，謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝徐委員，謝謝院長。400萬是真的不夠啦！","下一位我們請許智傑委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":92,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-21","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","羅智強","顏寬恒","呂玉玲","游顥","林俊憲","李柏毅","吳秉叡","張宏陸","蘇巧慧","林月琴","黃秀芳","徐富癸","許智傑","魯明哲","林倩綺","李昆澤"],"page_star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