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辛苦了今天的主題是一個非常重要的一個主題"},{"start":27.269,"end":37.337,"text":"這裡面特別提到為了因應為了適應戰場變化以及建立強韌嚇阻戰力國防部參考美國"},{"start":38.732,"end":64.586,"text":"的國防創新單位的作法在今年2月1號當時部長還沒有上任成立國防創新小組負責創新概念評估及引進民間成熟科技協助提升整體防衛能量當然我不清楚美國的國防創新單位當然國防部應該要去了解"},{"start":67.403,"end":84.017,"text":"那我們看這個你的報告裡面國防科技研發體系把它列了三個民間學術機構中科研創新小組這樣的一個"},{"start":85.68,"end":114.114,"text":"然後國防創新小組說主要任務有創新概念發展戰略需求確認民間技術產能調研公開徵集與方案評估導入建設稠厚我們看這個國防部的報告裡面你現在把這個創新國防創新小組放在可能部長還不是那麼清楚"},{"start":115.379,"end":119.013,"text":"放在這個整平思：國防部的"},{"start":120.606,"end":149.293,"text":"很多師裡面的其中一個整評師部長回去再看一下整評師的出入規程裡面有寫整評師負責哪些業務都有寫然後成員包括軍職、文職、聘僱人員然後七分創新作戰發展創產業、條研、評估、軍林科技運用三組執行各項工作"},{"start":151.175,"end":178.855,"text":"最主要就是說這一個這麼重要的這麼重要的為了適應戰場變化建立強韌嚇阻戰力參考美國的這個國防創新單位然後成立這個國防創新小組然後現在是放在整平室這個我是只是請部長回去評估啦"},{"start":180.348,"end":205.301,"text":"請部長回去評估到底他能不能達成這樣的一個創新國防創新小組設置在整平斯能不能達成原來的目的這個請部長回去好好的去評估因為我們國家本來就有國防部"},{"start":207.17,"end":231.963,"text":"本來就設了行政法人國家中商科學研究院就設在那裏提升國防科技能力建立自主國防工業拓展國防及軍用通用技術設了這個國科院國科院他的業務範圍很廣然後呢"},{"start":233.374,"end":260.477,"text":"國科院的董事長就是國防部長然後還包含了這個經濟部的次長國科會的副主委當然的董事所以他這個是一個非常完備的然後一個這麼重要的國防創新小組然後再一個整平師就我這個30年的老公務員"},{"start":262.216,"end":283.274,"text":"然後也寫法的跟部長當然我比你差很多啦這樣的一個我是懷疑啦我是懷疑他能夠達成當初這麼重大的一個任務所以這個部分就請部長回去再跟相關的包括國科院"},{"start":285.676,"end":310.536,"text":"國家中商科學研究院一起去討論包括其他的部會、國科會一起去討論能不能應該怎麼樣去推動好不好部長有瞭解我的意思嗎是瞭解我的意思說在整平思是很難發揮啦部長你回去看一下整平思的這些"},{"start":312.62,"end":317.25,"text":"這些君子人員或是聘僱人員到底他們的專業如何?"},{"start":318.342,"end":341.731,"text":"我只是跟委員報告一點就是說委員看的是一個階層的問題我看的是一個任務導向的問題那不管他設置在哪裡那如果他的這個任務能夠直接受我直接的督管然後完成他相關的任務這是我比較看重的不管他設在什麼樣的一個階層"},{"start":343.172,"end":370.2,"text":"也許你是對的,也許國防部是對的,我沒有做定論,我只是讓你回去評估啦,好不好?是,好,了解,好,謝謝。我沒有去評論,我讓你去評估。好,這個上次,這個部長上任之後,我第一次跟你質詢的時候,就再次的跟我過去質詢過前任的部長,也質詢過這個行政院院長,軍,精良的軍備,"},{"start":371.843,"end":400.096,"text":"要有專精的國軍這是我一直強調要有精良的軍備更要有專精的國軍但是我們一直缺少、缺法你看這個志願役不是在去年服兩年然後7000人離營像這個我們看這個志願役的實領的薪資二等兵三萬六、一等兵三萬八、上等兵三萬九"},{"start":401.363,"end":429.282,"text":"跟我們的勞工的平均薪資4萬6千多差很多但我如果我們從上士官跟軍官去做比較一樣一樣所以這個部分我們的這個能力真的是一直所以我因為主席站起來了這個部長我還是"},{"start":431.226,"end":431.246,"text":"謝謝鄭委員"},{"start":462.677,"end":464.894,"text":"接下來請林楚英委員上台質詢"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}