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{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-09-30T13:12:38.244500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-30T13:12:54.530000+08:00","text":"我們新竹市長期都只得到4,620萬元的補助經費，很多年都是這樣子，但是我們的產值不斷的提升，按照規定，事實上，在千分之零點三都可以，我們是不是有可能提高這個部分，主委？","quality":0.028},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-09-30T13:12:54.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-30T13:12:57.811000+08:00","text":"我先請竹科管理局的局長來回答。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳局長宗權","start":"2024-09-30T13:12:59.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-30T13:13:00.012000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳局長宗權","start":"2024-09-30T13:13:02.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-30T13:13:09.395000+08:00","text":"我們雖然是規定千分之零點三，但是也要看我們的營收，因為最近幾年的開發……","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-09-30T13:13:10.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-30T13:13:13.557000+08:00","text":"其實都很高，因為我們現在每一年都只有一半的一半不到喔！","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-09-30T13:13:15.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-30T13:13:16.578000+08:00","text":"去年就只有千分之零點零六啊！","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"陳局長宗權","start":"2024-09-30T13:13:18.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-30T13:13:21.680000+08:00","text":"對，但是我們有我們的成本，這幾年因為開發的關係，我們也是持續在借款。","quality":0.367},{"speaker":"陳局長宗權","start":"2024-09-30T13:13:21.680000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-30T13:13:26.617833+08:00","text":"除了正常的補助之外，我們也透過一些專案性的方式，如果有特別的需要，經過我們的衡量之後，有一些專案性的也一直在進行當中。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-09-30T13:13:26.617833+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-30T13:13:31.555667+08:00","text":"主委，這個部分是不是有可能請陳局長提高金額？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-09-30T13:13:31.555667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-30T13:13:36.493500+08:00","text":"因為4,620萬元已經行之多年，一、二十年都是這個數字，但是竹科不斷的成長，我們希望地方的回饋也能夠成長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-09-30T13:13:36.493500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-30T13:13:41.431333+08:00","text":"我們再研議一下，因為現在的開發成本非常高，我們的園區作業基金其實要借很多錢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2024-09-30T13:13:41.431333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-30T13:13:46.369167+08:00","text":"最後，我希望你們能將竹科周邊的用電狀態提供給本席一份書面資料，好不好？是。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-09-30T13:13:46.369167+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-30T13:13:51.307000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-30T13:13:51.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-30T13:13:51.907000+08:00","text":"主委請回，謝謝鄭正鈐委員。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-30T13:13:52.407000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-30T13:13:54.692714+08:00","text":"請翁曉玲委員質詢。","quality":0}]},"會議時間":"2024-09-30T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"13:08:46 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