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還是"},{"start":1084.415,"end":1084.455,"text":"陳玉珍"},{"start":1107.705,"end":1133.103,"text":"對機場的對金門的形象早上那些滯留在金門的這旅客現在趕快想辦法趕快等一下這個叫做治標我要考慮治本的事情那比如說留在金門就會被我們金門的形象造成很差的影響現在大部分我想在座每個人都會想說到金門是不是有可能從金門三日遊變成關島五日遊啊所以大家就會擔心嘛那去金門就會所以我不要讓我們金門有這樣的印象所以我覺得你們真的應該去思考"},{"start":1133.903,"end":1158.181,"text":"去弄一條抬金輪可以去研究嗎?不是不是我只還有幫助觀光產業的發展然後我們金門縣政府也已經在去年就來來來部長您聽一下去年就已經代會交通部航港局有提出來的也在去年10月5號有提報要爭取的我們想我們金門縣政府也願意說如果你們願意出一點錢我們也可以出一點錢"},{"start":1159.48,"end":1171.101,"text":"議員長"},{"start":1171.745,"end":1198.818,"text":"縣政府以及金門的居民如果認為這個是一個迫切需要的那我認為交通部應該跟他們去研議這個事情公務員已經來了 副長有看到嗎有 我跟縣政府一起來研議這件事是不是看看怎麼做 或者經費上大家怎麼來出嘛 對不對如果你們錢不夠你們先幫我們出我們現在沒錢不然我們可以多寄一些金門高粱酒過來換金門縣政府的財政狀況算不錯不好 現在越來越不好但是我們還是有酒"},{"start":1199.378,"end":1228.478,"text":"我們可以某一個酒窖就專門包給交通部這個就是你們慢慢取用沒有關係你們幫我們造一條船這樣可以嗎我們跟縣政府來研議你跟縣政府好好的研究一下那我想請教一下這個那個那個院長你有看到這個賴總統齁這個前幾天有一個影片總統叫大家說這個影片你有看到嗎瓊總親上火線錄節目這個你有看到這個影片嗎"},{"start":1229.451,"end":1236.197,"text":"總統在主持總統府全社會防衛任性的這個會議當中會有一些專家學者的建議等等讓我們也認為這不一定是戰爭我們就很多我想請教他在這個上面那個臥槽"},{"start":1255.094,"end":1260.752,"text":"沒錯嘛 你知道嗎 這個是在幫臥草錄製的 你知道嗎臥草 上面右上方有臥草兩個字有沒有"},{"start":1262.501,"end":1286.923,"text":"臥槽有沒有他這個不是在總統府的官方網站欸他是在一個當然總統府我後來去查證了賴清德總統喔他有在他的臉書大家如果沒看到去他的臉書看一下臉書有後來我還確認這個不是假訊息他在這個臥槽幫這個臥槽這個什麼單位我不知道是什麼單位臥槽您知道這個組織嗎您知道這個東西嗎是臥槽臥槽弄的"},{"start":1287.723,"end":1294.794,"text":"這是一個網路的媒體公司把影片放下來第一個這有幾個問題啊我們先討論內容等一下討論第一個他幫一個網路的媒體公司錄影片那是他抓他臉書上的影片下來"},{"start":1302.805,"end":1303.586,"text":"政板是沒有臥槽的"},{"start":1335.908,"end":1346.777,"text":"總統要傳達的是一個我們在大型的災難之後全民要做一些對自己以及對周遭環境所以說的可能是天災比如說颱風啊 地震啊 是不是這是你幫總統詮釋的還是他的想法"},{"start":1352.611,"end":1378.416,"text":"全社會防衛韌性就是這個意思可是這個很奇怪喔國家防災日是在前一天他並不是在國家防災日放出這個影片耶9月都是國家防災月好那您知道他後面說了什麼我也是其實我剛開始也是跟你一樣的想法說這個是不是地震啊天災啊颱風的時候總統講的結果後來最後您知道他最後你有看他影片看他最後嗎我有整個看完看了好多遍你知道他內容看到最後嗎"},{"start":1379.758,"end":1380.898,"text":"報告我最近經常到花蓮去那這樣類似的話我也常講"},{"start":1406.237,"end":1408.179,"text":"總統錄這個不是說是因為戰爭 可能戰爭 這個很重要您公開講清楚 不要讓民氣荒涼 這個我也可以接受 您說吧"},{"start":1429.218,"end":1448.072,"text":"全社會防衛這個是非常多面向的我們可能遇到天災地變可能遇到一些我們想像不到的不法的事情但是都必須建立全民有這種防衛的心情所以如果發生像今天颱風哪一天地震的時候這個有需要民防隊出動嗎"},{"start":1451.639,"end":1467.948,"text":"昨天我在在害應變中心的時候我們甚至要拜託國軍弟兄國軍弟兄沒問題國軍常常不管是作戰救災都幫忙那地震這個民防隊也要出動是不是我知道一下你們怎麼做了"},{"start":1469.628,"end":1495.768,"text":"我現在需要必須儲備相關的人力啊這養兵就在千日啊也許永遠用不到你現在都又在說兵嘛我說的就是說按照你剛剛的前提錄這個影片就是只是擔心這種災害的時候颱風啊地震的時候那當然當然我是也很願意接受這個說法可是如果不是的話如果可能是因應可能的戰爭的話這是很多人看到的"},{"start":1496.368,"end":1496.528,"text":"民心惶惶"},{"start":1511.953,"end":1537.665,"text":"雖然現在中國的軍機經常的越過我們臨接的部分但是我們對台灣的安全現在跟和平還是有相當的信心的有信心是好事但是備戰也是要做吧總統也是要說要備戰嘛所以你們也發布這個全民國防手冊啦你有看過全民國防手冊嗎"},{"start":1538.493,"end":1544.457,"text":"行政院長如果現在我們在質詢的過程當中突然中共就打過來一個砲彈就掉下來我們現在在立法院我們要躲在哪裡"},{"start":1556.254,"end":1581.911,"text":"我們可能就必須要國家﹖我們最近的這個﹖掩體在哪裡在哪裡委員就指出一個非常重要﹖我們最近的討論的事情比如說現場的人到底要所在哪個地方有一項﹖我們除了說地震要他趴下之外﹖如果更大的災難發生的時候﹖到底每一個人﹖在當下要知道我要去哪裡就是要建立這樣的防衛的心情這個全民國家手冊﹖各個縣市都有嗎"},{"start":1583.757,"end":1609.506,"text":"有那個空間 有沒有各個縣市 有沒有所有你既然要做嘛 要教育民眾嘛 全民國防手冊 各個縣市都有嗎 院長 部長跟委員報告 全民國防手冊裡面呢 它就有那個你可以點進去消防一點通裡面不是 地方都要有 各個縣市的地方都要有應變手冊 比如說我在台北 我在金門站你知道有各個縣市都有 沒有嘛 您知道有多少個縣市有嗎"},{"start":1610.526,"end":1636.992,"text":"您說是防空避難設備還是就是國防應變手冊因為各地會有各地的不要躲在哪裡要在哪裡分配什麼工作我講例子給您聽國防部頒布一個全民國防手冊之後各縣市政府會依照他轄區的特性會來調修那個手冊有多少縣市調修出來了據我的瞭解應該各縣市都有調整只有17個縣市有"},{"start":1638.817,"end":1653.213,"text":"你可能應該要再去追蹤瞭解一下我不會針對您啦因為謝謝國防部我跟你講國防部也是幫金門很多忙啦在飛機沒有飛的時候軍機也幫忙飛了很多我們需要後送的時候都是國防部在幫我們我們平時就好像暫時了"},{"start":1656.877,"end":1675.357,"text":"所以如果總統有這樣的決心有這樣的打算第一個要讓全民知道不要讓民心惶惶第二個我覺得40萬這個民力這樣夠嗎應該也是不夠吧跟委員報告這個是根據民防法它相關的規定來做這個民力的這個建築訓練"},{"start":1679.942,"end":1693.366,"text":"這個他範圍是很大包括要協助也搶救重大的災害協助地方治安等等事情很多遇到什麼事情40萬夠嗎"},{"start":1695.899,"end":1697.401,"text":"我們認為討論出來的這個數字就是基本的需求所以是不夠的嘛"},{"start":1710.84,"end":1733.112,"text":"所以如果總統真的要全面備戰就不尋求不要打仗就是看有沒有什麼和平的方法那他希望但他不尋求因為他說這個沒有我們就全民一起來備戰那也要讓百姓知道這個第一個當然這是他的選擇我們的總統我們的元首我想這個主要是強化韌性對韌性那其實40萬也是不夠的"},{"start":1736.075,"end":1752.92,"text":"我建議是不是就是開始討論阿實實像以前金門做的這樣子阿全民皆兵每個人都參加組成自衛隊民防自衛隊不分男女16歲到這個50歲沒有這樣的環境喔那你就是沒有打仗的環境阿所以你沒有打仗的環境嘛因為你們沒有這樣的決心嘛如果要打仗就不會分男或是女"},{"start":1761.283,"end":1779.034,"text":"跟委員報告民兵跟民力是不一樣的不一樣你覺得現在戰爭不會打到你家門口就對了跟委員報告我們這個民力最主要是面對像今天颱風或者是所以不是面對我們是鼓勵協助不是面對戰爭我們希望透過這樣的方式來協助我只要這句話不是面對戰爭我們的民防法有規定"},{"start":1784.998,"end":1792.186,"text":"那這個民防法的規定裡面 要包括民間的自救能力 共同防衛人民的生命財產這個我會再繼續跟你們討論 因為我只剩下30秒 我要問一個問題 院長你站到了嗎你站到了嗎你站不到了嗎你聽不懂金門話喔"},{"start":1806.909,"end":1824.504,"text":"我講的是照文化報告說我這個金門話是台灣台語耶金門腔耶那我還要學習還要學習所以我這個就不是台語嘛你聽不懂台語喔我這個是金門話所以你聽不懂嘛對不對聽不懂你聽不懂嘛那為什麼金文化被文化部列為是什麼台灣台語這個就不是"},{"start":1838.743,"end":1845.061,"text":"好,謝謝陳委員謝謝卓院長下一位請王帝女委員質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:48:55.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:01.123000+08:00","text":"主席，我們請院長跟衛福部部長。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:01.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:01.804000+08:00","text":"請卓院長備詢還有衛福部部長。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:01.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:02.885000+08:00","text":"陳委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:03.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:03.886000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:03.886000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:20.499000+08:00","text":"部長，我為你感到很擔心啦，我看您對醫界這麼關心、了解，剛剛我看到楊瓊瓔委員有講到健保點值，我們去年做決議說6月份要達到0.95嘛，剛剛院長您是說不可能？","quality":0.154},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:20.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:21.680000+08:00","text":"這當然是我們的目標啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:21.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:21.840000+08:00","text":"可不可能？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:21.840000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:26.306500+08:00","text":"目標要做到，可不可能？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:26.306500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:30.773000+08:00","text":"目標要大家共同努力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:30.773000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:35.239500+08:00","text":"不是共同努力，剛剛部長都已經說一定要做到啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:35.239500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:39.706000+08:00","text":"6月份……去年……我剛剛有看到我的簽名也在上面，6月份要達到嘛，沒問題吧，部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:39.706000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:44.172500+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為行政院也很盡力在幫忙，所以醫界非常感動，醫界也會全力以赴，在分級醫療、在各種醫療的制度來努力，來配合……","quality":0.039},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:44.172500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:48.639000+08:00","text":"對，可不可能達到0.95？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:48.639000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:53.105500+08:00","text":"全體配合完成目標。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:53.105500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:57.572000+08:00","text":"沒有問題啦？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:57.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:58.192000+08:00","text":"今年6月健保點值要達到0.95啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:58.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:49:58.652000+08:00","text":"預算就編進來吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:49:58.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:50:00.173000+08:00","text":"院長，我們退回預算，這個也是原因之一嘛！","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:50:18.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:50:21.440000+08:00","text":"0.95也是醫界跟全民最低的期待。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-01T09:50:21.440000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:50:22.440000+08:00","text":"因為我們整個總額健保多了七百多億，所以應該是可以完成。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:50:21.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:50:28.081000+08:00","text":"我剛剛看部長講應該是沒有問題，但院長說有問題，我就為邱部長感到很擔心，前一陣子總統那邊剛剛發生一個事情，現在院長這邊又這樣好像打臉的話，我為一個可能這麼關心醫界、又了解醫療體系的部長感到擔心啦！","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:50:47.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:50:58.918000+08:00","text":"我們臺灣的醫療是相當的有名，在全世界也算是可受信任的，沒問題嘛，部長？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"邱部長泰源","start":"2024-10-01T09:50:58.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:51:05.466000+08:00","text":"我們醫療的人才、醫療的科技發展可以說是世界級的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:51:05.466000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:51:06.466000+08:00","text":"那很好！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:51:06.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:51:06.429000+08:00","text":"我繼續問院長就好了，來，院長，我上個會期詢問你一些有關金門的事務嘛！是。","quality":0.419},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:51:06.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:51:08.770000+08:00","text":"也想邀請您到金門看看，您知道金門已經恢復陸客到金門來，您知道這件事情嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T09:51:25.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:51:27.044000+08:00","text":"非常好，有踩線團到了。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:51:27.044000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:51:28.044000+08:00","text":"不是踩線團而已。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T09:51:28.044000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-1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,"guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:57:56.832000+08:00","text":"照顧金門民眾。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:57:56.832000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:57:58.892000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長，你請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:57:58.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:58:07.375000+08:00","text":"院長，這兩天颱風嘛，您知道現在金門機場還有很多人回不了臺灣嗎？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T09:58:07.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:58:13.257000+08:00","text":"我早上得到的訊息是還有一百多名的旅客還在排位當中，不曉得現在有沒有稍微疏散。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:58:14.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:13.745000+08:00","text":"這個其實不是只有颱風天，對金門人來講，這個不是只有颱風，起霧啦、年節啦，三不五時都會發生，下去又10月10號了，又是連假啦，都一直發生這樣的情形，金門機場永遠有好多人回不了家，大部分有幾個情形，一個是住在臺灣島的人，第二個是我們當地的居民，當地居民不是回不了家，比如昨天就有好多民眾跟我陳情，要到臺灣來開刀啦、化療啦這一類的，都沒有辦法，甚至曾經有一次起霧，是要來臺灣考試，那時候是推甄，幾百個高中生要到臺灣考大學，因為起霧沒有飛，完全沒有辦法到臺灣來考試，可是一輩子就考這一次，這個事情非常嚴重，但長年在發生，後來那一次怎麼解決，交通部長知道嗎？","quality":0.361},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:15.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:23.661000+08:00","text":"這個事情應該是前年，那時候是王國材當部長，陳部長，你知道這件事情嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:23.661000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:24.661000+08:00","text":"當時怎麼解決？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:24.661000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:25.661000+08:00","text":"我不曉得當時怎麼解決。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:23.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:25.504000+08:00","text":"你知道長年發生這樣的事情嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:26.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:27.464000+08:00","text":"這個我大概有聽說。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:27.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:30.925000+08:00","text":"就是起霧啦，像這種颱風天啦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:30.925000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:31.925000+08:00","text":"都是因為天候影響。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:31.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:36.406000+08:00","text":"連假啦、過年啦，這個實在是金門人心中一直沒有辦法解決的痛。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:37.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:47.608000+08:00","text":"院長，您知道金馬澎三個離島到臺灣島之間的交通工具是什麼，您知道嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:47.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:48.208000+08:00","text":"除了飛機以外。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:49.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:51.028000+08:00","text":"除了飛機以外，我們還有海運。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:51.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:53.509000+08:00","text":"有海運，哪一個地方有海運？馬祖。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:54.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:54.609000+08:00","text":"馬祖有，還有呢？澎湖……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:57.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T09:59:59.089000+08:00","text":"部長，您知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T09:59:59.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:00:00.250000+08:00","text":"澎湖跟馬祖有喔！有，對。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:00:00.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:00:00.630000+08:00","text":"那金門哩？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:00:01.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:00:02.351000+08:00","text":"金門目前是沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:00:02.351000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:00:03.351000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:00:03.351000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:00:04.351000+08:00","text":"幾個因素，第一個，我們空運的運量目前看起來還可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:00:04.351000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:00:05.351000+08:00","text":"什麼可以？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:00:05.351000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:00:06.351000+08:00","text":"你沒有天天看到新聞在報導，像這種天氣怎麼辦？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:00:06.351000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:00:07.351000+08:00","text":"第二其實是這樣，因為船運要經營不太容易，如果它有商業價值，就是會賺錢，當然一定營運得起來，目前可能大家評估海運……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:00:03.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:00:05.012000+08:00","text":"那難道到金門的人會比到澎湖，或是甚至比到馬祖少嗎？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:00:05.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:00:05.753000+08:00","text":"到馬祖的觀光客，好像沒有比到金門多耶！","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:00:30.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:00:32.638000+08:00","text":"馬祖你們怎麼做、澎湖你們怎麼做？是啊！","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卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:02:27.583000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:02:28.583000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們覺得離島都是一體的。對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:02:28.583000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:02:29.583000+08:00","text":"如果有對的政策，那麼離島跟臺灣也都是同一國家。是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:02:29.583000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:02:30.583000+08:00","text":"我們也會同樣重視。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:02:30.583000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:02:31.583000+08:00","text":"是不是在113年開始，我們就有一些備援船在需要的時候……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:02:30.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:02:32.763000+08:00","text":"那個不是今年才開始，一直都有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:02:32.763000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:02:35.233000+08:00","text":"一直都有，對，問題是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:02:35.233000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:02:37.703000+08:00","text":"一直都有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:02:37.703000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:02:40.173000+08:00","text":"問題是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:02:40.173000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:02:42.643000+08:00","text":"備援船我們來做一些制度上的加強。","quality":0.133},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:02:42.643000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:02:45.113000+08:00","text":"院長，我讓您知道一下，部長不知道瞭不瞭解，我還真的想請教部長，您知道嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:02:45.113000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:02:47.583000+08:00","text":"備援船有沒有發揮作用，像今年……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:02:47.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:02:49.004000+08:00","text":"備援船是有遇到緊急事故，或者是過年或……連假的時候……","quality":0.318},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:02:49.004000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:11.280000+08:00","text":"今年要備援的時候，他說他的船是在澎湖，不願意開過來。","quality":0.261},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:11.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:13.162000+08:00","text":"備援是open的、開口契約，他可以要、他可以不要嘛！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:13.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:14.764000+08:00","text":"他可以不賺這個錢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:15.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:17.266000+08:00","text":"澎湖比較近、比較好賺，人家要賺澎湖的啊！","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:17.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:17.866000+08:00","text":"我們理解，對不對？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:17.866000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:19.728000+08:00","text":"我會儘量協助……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:19.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:20.749000+08:00","text":"這不是長治久安之道。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:21.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:22.731000+08:00","text":"我會儘量跟業者溝通，請他幫忙。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:23.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:25.353000+08:00","text":"不是，就不行每一次都發生事情再來溝通嘛！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:25.353000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:31.276000+08:00","text":"那等你溝通，溝通他又不願意的時候，我們要出面又去溝通，等到他願意的時候，有時候天氣又變化、又開不了。","quality":0.023},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:31.276000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:37.199000+08:00","text":"像以今天來講，明天颱風，昨天一百多個人滯留在金門機場，這些大部分事實上除了要來這邊就醫的，我們金門鄉親很多都是臺灣的人、臺灣鄉親啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:37.199000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:43.122000+08:00","text":"臺灣島的人啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:43.122000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:49.045000+08:00","text":"他們是要回家，回不了家啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:49.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:50.486000+08:00","text":"不能常常發生這樣的事情嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:51.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:58.630000+08:00","text":"所以長治久安之道，如果在馬祖、在澎湖遇到這種事情，他們晚上開船，明天早上到，所以很多人就可以做他的行程規劃。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:03:58.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:03:59.870000+08:00","text":"今天如果是院長哩？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:04:01.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:04:06.593000+08:00","text":"應該是上次，有一次王國材部長要去金門的時候，還是林佳龍部長？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:04:06.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:04:08.394000+08:00","text":"林佳龍部長，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:04:08.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:04:10.47500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:"2024-10-01T10:05:37.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:05:41.064000+08:00","text":"除非是能夠讓這些學生們改時間……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:05:41.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:05:41.884000+08:00","text":"改時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:05:41.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:05:44.325000+08:00","text":"各個學校的面試怎麼改時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:05:44.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:05:47.107000+08:00","text":"或者是以後我們可以用科技的方式來進行……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:05:47.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:05:47.927000+08:00","text":"等一下，你說以後？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:05:48.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:05:54.850000+08:00","text":"所以由北到南，所有大學全部因為金門考生沒有辦法到考，另外再由那些面試老師再花一個時間讓他們……","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:05:54.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:05:57.091000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，你如果願意做這樣的承諾，教育部有聽到喔！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:05:57.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:00.713000+08:00","text":"我是說我們可以想這個方式，或是用更科技……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:00.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:03.596000+08:00","text":"不是、不是，的確有可能會發生喔，前年就發生了。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:03.596000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:04.596000+08:00","text":"有可能會發生，對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:04.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:16.666000+08:00","text":"所以以後比如說國家考試，之前還有一個是金融方面的考試，好像是訂哪一天，然後也是天氣起霧，沒辦法過來，這種怎麼辦？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:16.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:17.027000+08:00","text":"一樣就是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:17.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:26.574000+08:00","text":"以後，好，你只要願意下這個政策，我也可以接受，以後金門的居民如果遇到這種重大考試，因為天氣沒有辦法過來，就另外幫他們排時間，這個我接受，這個很好！","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:26.574000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:27.574000+08:00","text":"這個非常好！","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:27.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:29.639000+08:00","text":"這個不能完全，我是說如果重大的國家考試，我們可以這麼做。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:30.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:33.305000+08:00","text":"什麼叫重大考試，一輩子一次的高普考是不是重大考試？是。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:33.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:36.529000+08:00","text":"或者一輩子一次的大學入學考試是不是重大考試？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:36.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:37.551000+08:00","text":"高普考金門方便的話，應該會有考場啦！","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:37.551000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:38.551000+08:00","text":"我是舉例啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:37.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:42.997000+08:00","text":"我請問你嘛，像各個學校的入學推甄、面試……","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:42.997000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:43.997000+08:00","text":"如果是單一學校的考試？","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:43.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:44.979000+08:00","text":"我們當然很難去要求啦！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:45.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:47.162000+08:00","text":"不是啊，院長，這個不是長久……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:47.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:06:56.772000+08:00","text":"第三個就是年節或是這種颱風時的備援方式，委員覺得現在功能還不夠，我想請部長能夠加強。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:06:56.772000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:00.545429+08:00","text":"我們可以再加強。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:00.545429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:04.318857+08:00","text":"我覺得要長治久安，之前我也一直在思考這個問題，我們金門飛機班次也很多……","quality":0.188},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:04.318857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:08.092286+08:00","text":"現在一週有280班。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:08.092286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:11.865714+08:00","text":"是、是，非常多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:11.865714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:15.639143+08:00","text":"事實上……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:15.639143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:19.412571+08:00","text":"非常多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:19.412571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:23.186000+08:00","text":"每一天有快100班啦，80班、100班，但就是因為這麼多，所以只要天氣不好，影響就非常大，整個機場永遠有人在抗議，然後每個人都會叫我們出面去解決。","quality":0.07},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:23.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:23.746000+08:00","text":"對金門的形象……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:24.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:27.148000+08:00","text":"請部長針對早上那些滯留在金門的旅客，現在趕快想辦法……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:27.148000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:28.148000+08:00","text":"我們會用最快的速度、方法來協助。","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:27.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:31.671000+08:00","text":"等一下，這個叫做治標，我要考慮的是治本的事情。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:32.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:40.878000+08:00","text":"比如說，一旦有人滯留，就會對我們金門的形象造成很大的影響，現在大部分的人、我想在座每個人都會想，到金門是不是有可能從金門三日遊變成關島五日遊。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:41.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:45.701000+08:00","text":"因為大家去金門就會擔心，所以我不要讓人家對我們金門有這樣的印象。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:46.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:51.805000+08:00","text":"因此我覺得你們真的應該去思考，去弄一條臺金輪，可以去研究嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:51.805000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:54.768000+08:00","text":"報告委員，如果是天候的因素，船也不能跑。","quality":0.059},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:54.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:56.229000+08:00","text":"還可以幫助觀光產業的發展。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:56.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:07:59.031000+08:00","text":"然後我們金門縣政府去年已經……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:07:59.031000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:08:01.333000+08:00","text":"天氣不好，船也不能跑。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:08:01.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:08:01.893000+08:00","text":"部長，你聽一下……好。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:08:02.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:08:22.227333+08:00","text":"我們金門縣政府去年就已經拜會交通部，航港局也有提出來了、去年10月5日也提報要爭取了，如果你們願意出一點錢，我們金門縣政府也可以出一點錢，我們已經退到這樣，澎湖、馬祖都是你們全額出，我想我們金門縣政府也願意一起出一點錢來解決這個問題，院長是不是可以去研究一下？","quality":0.376},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:08:26.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:08:33.248000+08:00","text":"縣政府以及金門的居民如果認為這個是迫切需要的，我認為交通部應該跟他們去研議這個事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:08:34.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:08:36.350000+08:00","text":"公文已經來了，部長有看到嗎？有……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:08:36.350000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:08:37.410000+08:00","text":"縣政府公文已經來了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:08:37.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:08:39.131000+08:00","text":"我會跟縣政府一起來研議這件事情，我們來討論。","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:08:39.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:08:42.873000+08:00","text":"是不是看看怎麼做，或者經費上大家怎麼來出嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:08:43.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:08:44.033000+08:00","text":"對不對？是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:08:44.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:08:49.556000+08:00","text":"如果你們錢不夠，你們先幫我們出，我們現在沒錢，不然我們可以多寄一些金門高粱酒過來換啦！","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:08:49.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:08:51.857000+08:00","text":"金門縣政府的財政狀況算不錯。不好！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:08:52.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:00.662000+08:00","text":"現在越來越不好，但我們還是有酒，我們可以某一個酒窖就專門包給交通部，讓你們慢慢取用，沒有關係，你們幫我們造一條船。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:01.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:02.203000+08:00","text":"這樣可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:02.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:04.305000+08:00","text":"我們跟縣政府來研議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:04.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:05.466000+08:00","text":"好，你跟縣政府好好地研究一下。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:06.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:21.396000+08:00","text":"接下來我想請教一下，院長，你有看到前幾天賴總統親上火線錄節目的影片嗎？","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:21.396000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:22.396000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:22.396000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:23.396000+08:00","text":"你知道這個影片嗎？是。","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:23.396000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:24.396000+08:00","text":"我剛看到的時候以為這個是深偽、AI技術、詐騙。","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:24.396000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:25.396000+08:00","text":"我是在網路上看到的，您知道這個影片嗎？","quality":0.294},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:24.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:27.874000+08:00","text":"總統在主持總統府全社會防衛性委員會的會議當中，會有一些專家學者的建議等等，我們也認為這不一定是戰爭啦！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:27.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:28.775000+08:00","text":"我們就很多重大的……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:28.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:50.375000+08:00","text":"我想請教的是，上面這個是沃草，沒錯嘛！","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:50.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:51.338000+08:00","text":"你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:51.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:54.127000+08:00","text":"這是他幫沃草錄製的，你知道嗎？啊？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:54.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:55.732000+08:00","text":"沃草，上面右上方有「沃草」兩個字，有沒有？沃草？喔！","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:58.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:09:58.322000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:09:59.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:13.976000+08:00","text":"它這個不是在總統府的官方網站，它是在一個……當然我後來去查證了，賴清德總統有在他的臉書，大家如果沒看到，去他的臉書看一下，臉書有，後來我還確認這個不是假訊息，他在幫沃草，這個什麼單位？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:14.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:15.157000+08:00","text":"我不知道這是什麼單位？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:15.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:19.440000+08:00","text":"沃草，您知道這個組織嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:19.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:20.741000+08:00","text":"您知道這個東西嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:20.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:21.902000+08:00","text":"是沃草弄的啊！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:22.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:24.746000+08:00","text":"這是一個網路的……","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:24.746000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:25.746000+08:00","text":"他幫沃草錄製的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:24.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:27.190000+08:00","text":"網路的媒體公司，把影片放下來……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:27.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:27.350000+08:00","text":"第一個，這有幾個問題啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:27.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:28.912000+08:00","text":"我們先……內容等一下討論，我們現在第一個，他幫一個網路的媒體公司錄影片。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:29.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:29.794000+08:00","text":"那是抓他臉書上的影片下來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:29.794000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:33.949500+08:00","text":"抓他臉書下來？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:33.949500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:38.105000+08:00","text":"所以他是在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:38.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:38.566000+08:00","text":"這本來是沒有沃草的？","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:38.566000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:42.608750+08:00","text":"對，正版……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:42.608750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:46.651500+08:00","text":"它是抓他臉書影片？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:46.651500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:50.694250+08:00","text":"我看到的是沃草的這個影片，然後我後來回去看總統府……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:50.694250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:54.737000+08:00","text":"例如您看那個udn，他不是幫udn錄嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:54.737000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:10:58.779750+08:00","text":"沒有，那是聯合報做成的新聞嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2024-10-01T10:10:58.779750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:02.822500+08:00","text":"對，那個沃草其實也是報導的新聞。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:02.822500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:06.865250+08:00","text":"部長，你好像說錯了，我去查了一下，他好像是幫那個民間組織、網路公司，我不知道這是什麼組織，沃草這個組織，錄這個說全民要防衛、要注意，那您覺得這個不是……您看了有什麼感想？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:06.865250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:10.908000+08:00","text":"院長，看了有什麼想法？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:10.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:17.513000+08:00","text":"總統要傳達的是一個我們在大型的災難之後，全民要做一些對自己以及對周遭環境，國人的一些後援復舊的工作。","quality":0.745},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:18.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:19.855000+08:00","text":"說的可能是天災，比如說颱風啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:19.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:20.135000+08:00","text":"比如說地震啊！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:20.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:20.696000+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:20.696000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:21.696000+08:00","text":"我們常常發生。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:20.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:21.756000+08:00","text":"這是你幫總統詮釋的，還是他的想法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:27.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:29.331000+08:00","text":"不，全社會防衛韌性就是這個意思。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:29.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:30.732000+08:00","text":"可是這個很奇怪喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:31.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:35.613000+08:00","text":"國家防災日是在前一天，他並不是在國家防災日放出這個影片耶！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:35.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:36.893000+08:00","text":"9月都是國家防災月。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:37.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:39.393000+08:00","text":"好，那您知道他後面說了什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:39.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:43.254000+08:00","text":"我也是……其實我剛開始也是跟你一樣的想法，說這個是不是地震啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:43.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:44.234000+08:00","text":"天災啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:44.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:50.135000+08:00","text":"颱風的時候，總統講了這個，結果後來……最後，您知道他最後，您有看那個影片看到最後嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:50.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:52.796000+08:00","text":"我有整個看完，看了好多遍，你知道他的內容？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:53.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:53.416000+08:00","text":"有看到最後嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:53.416000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:54.416000+08:00","text":"他說守護國家要自己救，這個不像在講災難啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:54.416000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:55.416000+08:00","text":"這個像在講戰爭啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:55.416000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:56.416000+08:00","text":"我傳給很多朋友說你們看這像什麼，所有的朋友，不管他是偏藍、偏綠或是中間的，大家都覺得說這個是要打仗嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:56.416000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:57.416000+08:00","text":"不是，我們到……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:57.416000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:58.416000+08:00","text":"你看了會不會有點膽顫心驚啊？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:54.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:11:55.898000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我最近經常到花蓮去，這樣類似的話我也常講啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:11:55.898000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:12:00.965800+08:00","text":"什麼這樣類似的話？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:12:00.965800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:12:06.033600+08:00","text":"就是我們自己的國家要自己救，自己的地方要自己維護。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:12:06.033600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:12:11.101400+08:00","text":"自己的地方沒有問題，自己地方自己維護，這當然沒有問題啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:12:11.101400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:12:16.169200+08:00","text":"問題是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:12:16.169200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:12:21.237000+08:00","text":"這是一個表達的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:12:21.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:12:23.159000+08:00","text":"好，那沒關係，你如果可以幫忙澄清也很好，就是說總統錄這個不是因為可能戰爭，這個很重要，您公開講清楚，不要讓民心惶惶，我也可以接受，您說吧！","quality":0.617},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:12:44.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:12:56.927000+08:00","text":"全社會防衛這個是非常多面向的，我們可能遇到天災地變，可能遇到一些我們想像不到的不法事情，但是都必須建立全民有這種全民防衛的心情。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:12:57.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:13:03.072000+08:00","text":"是，所以如果發生像今天的颱風，哪一天地震的時候，這個有需要民防隊出動嗎？是嗎？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:13:03.072000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:13:04.339000+08:00","text":"民防隊……","quality":0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50000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:17:46.871000+08:00","text":"我想這個主要在強化韌性。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:17:47.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:02.179000+08:00","text":"對，韌性，那其實40萬也是不夠的，我建議是不是開始討論，實施像以前金門做的那樣，全民皆兵，每個人都參加，組成民防自衛隊，不分男女，16歲到55歲。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:02.179000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:03.179000+08:00","text":"臺灣現在沒有這樣的環境跟必要","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:02.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:03.179000+08:00","text":"沒有這樣的環境喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:03.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:04.899000+08:00","text":"那你就是沒有打仗的環境啊！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:04.899000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:05.899000+08:00","text":"我們現在全民防衛韌性是安全的韌性。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:05.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:05.720000+08:00","text":"所以你沒有打仗的環境嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:06.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:07.900000+08:00","text":"因為你們沒有這樣的決心，如果要打仗，就不會分男或是女。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:16.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:19.945000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，民兵跟民力是不一樣的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"董次長建宏","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:19.945000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:20.966000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個民力最重要的是在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:20.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:21.727000+08:00","text":"不一樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:21.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:24.688000+08:00","text":"你覺得現在戰爭不會打到你家門口就對了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"董次長建宏","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:25.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:28.531000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們這個民力最主要是面對像今天颱風或者是天然災害，我們是處理協助，要先自救才能夠他救……","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:28.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:29.832000+08:00","text":"所以不是面對戰爭啦！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"董次長建宏","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:29.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:31.733000+08:00","text":"我們希望透過這樣的方式來協助。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:31.733000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:32.733000+08:00","text":"不是面對戰爭嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:32.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:33.014000+08:00","text":"我只要這句話，不是面對戰爭嘛？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"董次長建宏","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:33.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:44.844000+08:00","text":"我們的民防法有規定，這個民防法的規定裡面包括民間的自救能力，共同防衛人民的生命財產安全……","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:44.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:45.785000+08:00","text":"謝謝你，這個我會再繼續跟你們討論，因為我只剩下30秒，我要問一個問題。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:45.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:45.865000+08:00","text":"院長，你住在哪裡？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:45.865000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:46.865000+08:00","text":"（金門語）你住在哪裡？","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:46.865000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:47.865000+08:00","text":"（金門語）","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:47.865000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:48.865000+08:00","text":"對不起。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:48.865000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:49.865000+08:00","text":"你要去哪裡？","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:49.865000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:50.865000+08:00","text":"（金門語）你住在哪裡？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:50.865000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:51.865000+08:00","text":"（金門語）你聽不懂嗎？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:18:46.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:18:47.166000+08:00","text":"你聽不懂金門話喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:02.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:05.572000+08:00","text":"照文化部的說法，我這個金門話是臺灣臺語耶！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:06.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:06.653000+08:00","text":"金門腔耶！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:07.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:08.394000+08:00","text":"那我還要學習。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:08.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:09.175000+08:00","text":"還要學習？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:09.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:10.296000+08:00","text":"所以我這個就不是臺語嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:10.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:11.157000+08:00","text":"你聽不懂臺語喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:11.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:13.559000+08:00","text":"我這個是金門話，所以你聽不懂，對不對？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:13.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:14.680000+08:00","text":"對，聽不懂。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:14.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:15.621000+08:00","text":"你聽不懂嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:16.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:18.983000+08:00","text":"那為什麼我們金門話被文化部列為是臺灣台語？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:18.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:19.484000+08:00","text":"這個就不是台語嘛！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:19.484000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:22.000833+08:00","text":"但是你會講就是國家語言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:22.000833+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:24.517667+08:00","text":"對，這個很重要，沒有列進來，這就是我今天要問的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:24.517667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:27.034500+08:00","text":"是，委員會講就是國家語言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:27.034500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:29.551333+08:00","text":"沒有列進來喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:29.551333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:32.068167+08:00","text":"沒有列進國家語言，列進來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:32.068167+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:34.585000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:34.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:37.975000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳委員，謝謝卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-01T10:19:37.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:19:40.061000+08:00","text":"下一位請王定宇委員質詢。","quality":0.818}]},"會議時間":"2024-10-01T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"09:48:55 - 10:19:42","會議名稱":"第11屆第2會期第2次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢）","gazette":{"lineno":300,"blocks":[["陳委員玉珍：（9時48分）主席，我們請院長跟衛福部部長。"],["主席：請卓院長備詢還有衛福部部長。"],["卓院長榮泰：陳委員好。"],["陳委員玉珍：院長好。部長，我為你感到很擔心啦，我看您對醫界這麼關心、了解，剛剛我看到楊瓊瓔委員有講到健保點值，我們去年做決議說6月份要達到0.95嘛，剛剛院長您是說不可能？"],["卓院長榮泰：這當然是我們的目標啦！"],["陳委員玉珍：可不可能？目標要做到，可不可能？"],["卓院長榮泰：目標要大家共同努力。"],["陳委員玉珍：不是共同努力，剛剛部長都已經說一定要做到啦！6月份……去年……我剛剛有看到我的簽名也在上面，6月份要達到嘛，沒問題吧，部長。"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，因為行政院也很盡力在幫忙，所以醫界非常感動，醫界也會全力以赴，在分級醫療、在各種醫療的制度來努力，來配合……"],["陳委員玉珍：對，可不可能達到0.95？"],["邱部長泰源：全體配合完成目標。"],["陳委員玉珍：沒有問題啦？今年6月健保點值要達到0.95啊！預算就編進來吧！院長，我們退回預算，這個也是原因之一嘛！0.95也是醫界跟全民最低的期待。"],["邱部長泰源：因為我們整個總額健保多了七百多億，所以應該是可以完成。"],["陳委員玉珍：我剛剛看部長講應該是沒有問題，但院長說有問題，我就為邱部長感到很擔心，前一陣子總統那邊剛剛發生一個事情，現在院長這邊又這樣好像打臉的話，我為一個可能這麼關心醫界、又了解醫療體系的部長感到擔心啦！","我們臺灣的醫療是相當的有名，在全世界也算是可受信任的，沒問題嘛，部長？"],["邱部長泰源：我們醫療的人才、醫療的科技發展可以說是世界級的。"],["陳委員玉珍：那很好！我繼續問院長就好了，來，院長，我上個會期詢問你一些有關金門的事務嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：也想邀請您到金門看看，您知道金門已經恢復陸客到金門來，您知道這件事情嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：非常好，有踩線團到了。"],["陳委員玉珍：不是踩線團而已。"],["卓院長榮泰：非常好！非常好！"],["陳委員玉珍：不是只有踩線團。"],["卓院長榮泰：至少踩線團到了。"],["陳委員玉珍：全部都開放了。"],["卓院長榮泰：很好，非常好。"],["陳委員玉珍：就是大陸福建省的居民，幾月開始、幾號開始？你知道嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：幾號開始我真的不知道……"],["陳委員玉珍：喔，你沒有關心喔！"],["卓院長榮泰：我知道有這個訊息。"],["陳委員玉珍：這是兩岸在這個比較冰凍的時候有一個突破，是9月27號開始自由行、團客都可以過來。在這個同時，我覺得除了遊客過來以外，我們應該善用我們的優勢，我們的優勢您知道嗎？院長，您知道去年的7月到今年的5月，光是以醫療簽證來到金門的人數有多少人，你知道嗎？大陸地區人民用小三通到金門來就醫的。"],["卓院長榮泰：不曉得陸委會有沒有這個數字。"],["邱部長泰源：至少有331件。"],["陳委員玉珍：有五百多件，這算是接近了。原因是什麼？事實上，我們金門醫療是缺乏的，但是為什麼大陸人民還願意到金門來就醫，您知道嗎？院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：相對比較，一方面觀光，一方面就醫。"],["邱主任委員垂正：生殖醫療。"],["陳委員玉珍：但是我們金門醫療也不會比廈門進步啊！為什麼還要到金門來就醫？"],["卓院長榮泰：因為有我們的特色。"],["陳委員玉珍：哪一個特色呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：有我們的專科。"],["陳委員玉珍：什麼特色？"],["卓院長榮泰：好像是在生技，生殖醫學。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，生殖醫學方面嘛！就是不孕症的部分。所以我就在說，我們國內的醫療體系除了健保以外，有關做人的生殖醫學是自費的，就是他們自己要花錢，而我們臺灣的醫療又是比較進步，而且獲得信任，所以我們應該要發揮我們這方面的優勢。我們剛剛提到健保點值是全民的醫療，醫療平權，大家都應該照顧到。"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：所以應該要盡力幫醫界爭取這個，不然我們的醫護人員實在是血汗醫護，非常辛苦！但是在我們有優勢的部分，我們可以用自費的吸引全世界各地過來，因為金門地理位置的關係，當然吸引大陸的人過來這個部分應該是可以再加強的嘛！對吧？院長，沒錯嘛？"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：我們應該善用這個優勢嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：用這個優勢展現，雖然大陸的醫療也進步，但是至少我們的醫療是相對更受信任，所以相關醫療法令如果涉及兩岸的部分，是不是請院長這邊跟陸委會，還有衛福部說一下，在金門做一個比如說醫療專區這類的，利用我們臺灣的醫療優勢，因為金門的區位，讓金門可以吸引大陸人過來這邊做相關的自費醫療行為，這個院長你應該是鼓勵的吧？"],["卓院長榮泰：陸委會有什麼規劃嗎？"],["陳委員玉珍：我是請問院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：看陸委會有沒有什麼規劃，目前有什麼想法？"],["陳委員玉珍：陸委會沒有啊！陸委會一直都很支持金門啊！我就問院長，院長，您是院長，一院之長，最高行政首長的想法最重要！"],["邱主任委員垂正：報告委員，我想只要對金門老百姓有好處，兼顧國家安全，只要能夠福國利民的政策，我們對於金門、對於馬祖都全力以赴。"],["陳委員玉珍：我知道你都支持啦！我要請問我們卓院長，卓院長，這個部分支持嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們現在有一個離島建設條例。"],["陳委員玉珍：對。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員所提到的，如果是醫療的部分……"],["陳委員玉珍：對，自費的部分。"],["卓院長榮泰：是不是要請衛福部跟國發會再進一步的研究，看看如何在這個條例底下，我們有沒有必要做什麼樣的調整，這個政策來配合……"],["陳委員玉珍：幫助金門地區這方面的醫療專區、醫療產業的發展，這是正向的嘛。"],["卓院長榮泰：除了產業發展之外，我們整個的後勤可不可以接得上來……"],["陳委員玉珍：當然！當然！如果你有政策下去的話，我想很多產業就會往那邊去發展，對我們金門的醫療整體來講也是有幫助的，所以希望院長可以大力支持，這個沒問題吧？善用臺灣的醫療優勢，然後金門的區位嘛。"],["卓院長榮泰：我會請衛福部跟國發會來看看，如何對金門地區的醫療產業能夠有幫忙，在現行離島建設條例底下如何來發展，這個方向……"],["陳委員玉珍：如果離島建設條例有不足的地方，我們應該來做適度的修改吧？"],["卓院長榮泰：我一直覺得法令不足，我們可以適度的鬆綁法令，那是現在政府重要的工作。"],["陳委員玉珍：好，謝謝院長的承諾。","另外就是有關醫療平權這個部分，這個我想請問衛福部長，其他部長可以請回。衛福部推了一個住院友善照護共聘制度，就是住院整合照護試辦計畫，就是照護共聘制度，你知道吧？就是四個病患集資，每個人付1,200元，一天4,800元可以一起照護，衛福部有這個計畫，對吧？"],["邱部長泰源：是的，這個計畫經過幾年的推行，現在大家反應很好。"],["陳委員玉珍：離島有哪一個縣市……"],["邱部長泰源：我們也非常希望金門有這樣一個服務，這個計畫需要照護員，可是在金門請不到照護員。"],["陳委員玉珍：請不到照護員，對不對？你知道原因嘛，我就是要問，你知道是請不到照護員，那你們有沒有告訴我們要怎麼做啊？"],["邱部長泰源：所以我們一定要協助金門醫院來擬訂人力的聘用方案。"],["陳委員玉珍：是，所以你有沒有什麼具體的計畫？有關醫療平權的這個住院整合照護計畫制度。"],["邱部長泰源：我們在114年有特別要加強這部分招募人力的計畫，希望……"],["陳委員玉珍：你們有沒有相關的獎勵計畫，讓有一些人願意到離島來從事這樣的工作？我以前事實上也提過，或者是當地人願意因為照護員的待遇在這裡是比較好的，所以願意轉做照護員的工作？事實上，人力是還是有，當地不是沒有人啦。"],["邱部長泰源：我真的非常敬佩委員過去對金門各種醫療、對人民的照顧非常的周全，那也關係到這個部分，這個真的是也可以幫助病人，所以我們一定會全力來推展這個計畫。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，那這個部分您是不是應該多花一點心力？"],["邱部長泰源：我們希望明年就能夠讓金門上路。"],["陳委員玉珍：可以喔？明年是114年，114年就要上路。"],["邱部長泰源：對。"],["陳委員玉珍：如果說招不到人，招不到人有可能是……"],["邱部長泰源：單單部立醫院就已經有16家在做，已經做了1,053床。"],["陳委員玉珍：對嘛，那金門到現在沒有嘛！"],["邱部長泰源：所以我們對金門醫院一定要全力來幫忙。"],["陳委員玉珍：好，要全力幫忙，那可能需要一些獎勵或一些離島地區特別的方法。"],["邱部長泰源：我們來研議。"],["陳委員玉珍：你要去想一下，好嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：這個明年要上路，明年一定會上路嗎？沒問題喔？"],["邱部長泰源：我們想盡辦法讓它上路。"],["陳委員玉珍：一定要，好，那我們期待。"],["邱部長泰源：照顧金門民眾。"],["陳委員玉珍：謝謝部長，你請回。","院長，這兩天颱風嘛，您知道現在金門機場還有很多人回不了臺灣嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我早上得到的訊息是還有一百多名的旅客還在排位當中，不曉得現在有沒有稍微疏散。"],["陳委員玉珍：這個其實不是只有颱風天，對金門人來講，這個不是只有颱風，起霧啦、年節啦，三不五時都會發生，下去又10月10號了，又是連假啦，都一直發生這樣的情形，金門機場永遠有好多人回不了家，大部分有幾個情形，一個是住在臺灣島的人，第二個是我們當地的居民，當地居民不是回不了家，比如昨天就有好多民眾跟我陳情，要到臺灣來開刀啦、化療啦這一類的，都沒有辦法，甚至曾經有一次起霧，是要來臺灣考試，那時候是推甄，幾百個高中生要到臺灣考大學，因為起霧沒有飛，完全沒有辦法到臺灣來考試，可是一輩子就考這一次，這個事情非常嚴重，但長年在發生，後來那一次怎麼解決，交通部長知道嗎？這個事情應該是前年，那時候是王國材當部長，陳部長，你知道這件事情嗎？當時怎麼解決？"],["陳部長世凱：我不曉得當時怎麼解決。"],["陳委員玉珍：你知道長年發生這樣的事情嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：這個我大概有聽說。"],["陳委員玉珍：就是起霧啦，像這種颱風天啦。"],["陳部長世凱：都是因為天候影響。"],["陳委員玉珍：連假啦、過年啦，這個實在是金門人心中一直沒有辦法解決的痛。院長，您知道金馬澎三個離島到臺灣島之間的交通工具是什麼，您知道嗎？除了飛機以外。"],["卓院長榮泰：除了飛機以外，我們還有海運。"],["陳委員玉珍：有海運，哪一個地方有海運？"],["卓院長榮泰：馬祖。"],["陳委員玉珍：馬祖有，還有呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：澎湖……"],["陳委員玉珍：部長，您知道嗎？澎湖跟馬祖有喔！"],["陳部長世凱：有，對。"],["陳委員玉珍：那金門哩？"],["陳部長世凱：金門目前是沒有。"],["陳委員玉珍：為什麼？"],["陳部長世凱：幾個因素，第一個，我們空運的運量目前看起來還可以。"],["陳委員玉珍：什麼可以？你沒有天天看到新聞在報導，像這種天氣怎麼辦？"],["陳部長世凱：第二其實是這樣，因為船運要經營不太容易，如果它有商業價值，就是會賺錢，當然一定營運得起來，目前可能大家評估海運……"],["陳委員玉珍：那難道到金門的人會比到澎湖，或是甚至比到馬祖少嗎？到馬祖的觀光客，好像沒有比到金門多耶！馬祖你們怎麼做、澎湖你們怎麼做？"],["陳部長世凱：是啊！新台馬輪……"],["陳委員玉珍：部長，澎湖你們怎麼做、馬祖你們怎麼做？"],["陳部長世凱：都是有船沒有錯。"],["陳委員玉珍：你們補助他們建船，對不對？然後還補助他們20年的營運費用，對不對？讓這個船可以……平常如果它自己營運，它當然營運不起來，你讓馬祖跟澎湖都這樣可以自由地……，就是給它一條船，接著給它營運20年的補助費用啊！讓這個船可以這樣正常地走。像這幾天颱風……"],["陳部長世凱：其實我們金門的補助也是有，但是是針對假期，應該委員知道……"],["陳委員玉珍：針對什麼？"],["陳部長世凱：例如中秋節或者一些連假……"],["陳委員玉珍：的什麼？"],["陳部長世凱：如果有船運需求的時候，我們會跟縣政府合作，該補助中央會補助。"],["陳委員玉珍：是，你說的是臨時的嘛！"],["陳部長世凱：對，臨時的。"],["陳委員玉珍：那時候……今年就有，調不到船啊！那個船跑去走澎湖啊！它不願意來走金門！那是澎湖的船。很快的嘛！它要走澎湖，它不要來走金門。上次考大學生那一次，你們出面也不願意，我還去親自去拜託那個老闆說：拜託，你就幫我們走這一趟。所以高中生可以到臺灣來考大學。你們出面人家也不要幫，我們還要自己再次請託、再……拜託完以後，我事後又拿了很大的一瓶高粱酒去送他。我想請問，這個不是解決的方法嘛！對不對？我們不是人治的社會，我們要制度化嘛！","院長，金馬澎來講，馬祖跟澎湖都有這樣的運輸船，不只是天氣或者連假時的運輸需要，其實這對觀光也很有幫助。比如現在離島的機票，對非居民來講是蠻高的，來回大概要5,000塊，事實上也會影響到，現在很多人願意出國，因為出國的機票沒那麼貴，那也影響到金門地區的觀光發展。金門縣政府也有提出來我們需要一條台金輪，你們可以給馬祖台馬輪、可以給澎湖台澎輪，為什麼不能給我們一條台金輪？"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，我們覺得離島都是一體的。"],["陳委員玉珍：對。"],["卓院長榮泰：如果有對的政策，那麼離島跟臺灣也都是同一國家。"],["陳委員玉珍：是。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們也會同樣重視。是不是在113年開始，我們就有一些備援船在需要的時候……"],["陳委員玉珍：那個不是今年才開始，一直都有。"],["卓院長榮泰：一直都有，對，問題是……"],["陳委員玉珍：一直都有。問題是……"],["卓院長榮泰：備援船我們來做一些制度上的加強。"],["陳委員玉珍：院長，我讓您知道一下，部長不知道瞭不瞭解，我還真的想請教部長，您知道嗎？備援船有沒有發揮作用，像今年……"],["陳部長世凱：備援船是有遇到緊急事故，或者是過年或……連假的時候……"],["陳委員玉珍：今年要備援的時候，他說他的船是在澎湖，不願意開過來。備援是open的、開口契約，他可以要、他可以不要嘛！他可以不賺這個錢。澎湖比較近、比較好賺，人家要賺澎湖的啊！我們理解，對不對？"],["陳部長世凱：我會儘量協助……"],["陳委員玉珍：這不是長治久安之道。"],["陳部長世凱：我會儘量跟業者溝通，請他幫忙。"],["陳委員玉珍：不是，就不行每一次都發生事情再來溝通嘛！那等你溝通，溝通他又不願意的時候，我們要出面又去溝通，等到他願意的時候，有時候天氣又變化、又開不了。像以今天來講，明天颱風，昨天一百多個人滯留在金門機場，這些大部分事實上除了要來這邊就醫的，我們金門鄉親很多都是臺灣的人、臺灣鄉親啊！臺灣島的人啊！他們是要回家，回不了家啊！不能常常發生這樣的事情嘛！所以長治久安之道，如果在馬祖、在澎湖遇到這種事情，他們晚上開船，明天早上到，所以很多人就可以做他的行程規劃。","今天如果是院長哩？應該是上次，有一次王國材部長要去金門的時候，還是林佳龍部長？林佳龍部長，對不對？你也要去，你也遇到大霧，對不對？你是不是跟我在松山機場也等很久？連部長自己都沒有辦法坐飛機，都無機可趁。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，報告有三……"],["陳委員玉珍：那要怎麼解決？"],["卓院長榮泰：第一個，如果是天候不可抗力的，那我們大概很難在短時間來做處理。"],["陳委員玉珍：不是。對，所以我們做長期規劃。"],["卓院長榮泰：那你剛剛提的，比方考試，我覺得碰到考試，在金門地區，如果能讓大家方便的方式，我們應該來想，不需要……"],["陳委員玉珍：好，那如果是你，請問你遇到考試那怎麼辦？一年考一次，推甄喔！推甄是要到臺灣各個大學去參加入學考試，那一天還剛好不知道為什麼6月份還起大霧。"],["卓院長榮泰：如果是國家重要的考試……"],["陳委員玉珍：是啊！大學考試。"],["卓院長榮泰：是能不能在金門能夠有一個方便，讓大家不需要這樣有這種風險的方式……"],["陳委員玉珍：那怎麼做？你告訴我，如果像這種考試，你怎麼做？"],["卓院長榮泰：大型的國家考試是不是……"],["陳委員玉珍：不是國家考試，是入學考，考各個大學，臺大……"],["卓院長榮泰：入學考因為現在每個學校可能單獨……"],["陳委員玉珍：對、對、對！"],["卓院長榮泰：那就很難啦！"],["陳委員玉珍：很難要怎麼辦？他們一輩子就考這一次，那就不用考了嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：所以我說先從大型的國家考試，是不是考慮金門如果可以……"],["陳委員玉珍：這個已經有在做了，謝謝您，我已經跟考試院建議在金門設置國家考場，這個我知道。但是像這種入學考試，你也想這種事情怎麼會遇到，問題是那個時候剛好就起大霧，那一天就是沒有辦法開，所有的學生、幾百個學生、高中生都沒有辦法參加兩天6月18、19日的考試，如果你的小孩子在那邊，明天要參加考試，人到不了臺灣，你要怎麼辦？"],["卓院長榮泰：當然很著急啦！"],["陳委員玉珍：那怎麼辦呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：除非是改時間或者……"],["陳委員玉珍：你是院長，你可以解決問題，不是只能著急而已。你告訴我怎麼做！"],["卓院長榮泰：除非是能夠讓這些學生們改時間……"],["陳委員玉珍：改時間？各個學校的面試怎麼改時間？"],["卓院長榮泰：或者是以後我們可以用科技的方式來進行……"],["陳委員玉珍：等一下，你說以後？所以由北到南，所有大學全部因為金門考生沒有辦法到考，另外再由那些面試老師再花一個時間讓他們……","好，沒關係，你如果願意做這樣的承諾，教育部有聽到喔！"],["卓院長榮泰：我是說我們可以想這個方式，或是用更科技……"],["陳委員玉珍：不是、不是，的確有可能會發生喔，前年就發生了。"],["卓院長榮泰：有可能會發生，對。"],["陳委員玉珍：所以以後比如說國家考試，之前還有一個是金融方面的考試，好像是訂哪一天，然後也是天氣起霧，沒辦法過來，這種怎麼辦？一樣就是……","以後，好，你只要願意下這個政策，我也可以接受，以後金門的居民如果遇到這種重大考試，因為天氣沒有辦法過來，就另外幫他們排時間，這個我接受，這個很好！這個非常好！"],["卓院長榮泰：這個不能完全，我是說如果重大的國家考試，我們可以這麼做。"],["陳委員玉珍：什麼叫重大考試，一輩子一次的高普考是不是重大考試？"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：或者一輩子一次的大學入學考試是不是重大考試？"],["卓院長榮泰：高普考金門方便的話，應該會有考場啦！"],["陳委員玉珍：我是舉例啦！我請問你嘛，像各個學校的入學推甄、面試……"],["卓院長榮泰：如果是單一學校的考試？我們當然很難去要求啦！"],["陳委員玉珍：不是啊，院長，這個不是長久……"],["卓院長榮泰：第三個就是年節或是這種颱風時的備援方式，委員覺得現在功能還不夠，我想請部長能夠加強。"],["陳部長世凱：我們可以再加強。"],["陳委員玉珍：我覺得要長治久安，之前我也一直在思考這個問題，我們金門飛機班次也很多……"],["陳部長世凱：現在一週有280班。"],["陳委員玉珍：是、是，非常多。事實上……"],["陳部長世凱：非常多。"],["陳委員玉珍：每一天有快100班啦，80班、100班，但就是因為這麼多，所以只要天氣不好，影響就非常大，整個機場永遠有人在抗議，然後每個人都會叫我們出面去解決。對金門的形象……"],["卓院長榮泰：請部長針對早上那些滯留在金門的旅客，現在趕快想辦法……"],["陳部長世凱：我們會用最快的速度、方法來協助。"],["陳委員玉珍：等一下，這個叫做治標，我要考慮的是治本的事情。比如說，一旦有人滯留，就會對我們金門的形象造成很大的影響，現在大部分的人、我想在座每個人都會想，到金門是不是有可能從金門三日遊變成關島五日遊。因為大家去金門就會擔心，所以我不要讓人家對我們金門有這樣的印象。因此我覺得你們真的應該去思考，去弄一條臺金輪，可以去研究嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，如果是天候的因素，船也不能跑。"],["陳委員玉珍：還可以幫助觀光產業的發展。然後我們金門縣政府去年已經……"],["陳部長世凱：天氣不好，船也不能跑。"],["陳委員玉珍：部長，你聽一下……"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["陳委員玉珍：我們金門縣政府去年就已經拜會交通部，航港局也有提出來了、去年10月5日也提報要爭取了，如果你們願意出一點錢，我們金門縣政府也可以出一點錢，我們已經退到這樣，澎湖、馬祖都是你們全額出，我想我們金門縣政府也願意一起出一點錢來解決這個問題，院長是不是可以去研究一下？"],["卓院長榮泰：縣政府以及金門的居民如果認為這個是迫切需要的，我認為交通部應該跟他們去研議這個事情。"],["陳委員玉珍：公文已經來了，部長有看到嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：有……"],["陳委員玉珍：縣政府公文已經來了。"],["陳部長世凱：我會跟縣政府一起來研議這件事情，我們來討論。"],["陳委員玉珍：是不是看看怎麼做，或者經費上大家怎麼來出嘛！對不對？"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：如果你們錢不夠，你們先幫我們出，我們現在沒錢，不然我們可以多寄一些金門高粱酒過來換啦！"],["陳部長世凱：金門縣政府的財政狀況算不錯。"],["陳委員玉珍：不好！現在越來越不好，但我們還是有酒，我們可以某一個酒窖就專門包給交通部，讓你們慢慢取用，沒有關係，你們幫我們造一條船。這樣可以嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：我們跟縣政府來研議。"],["陳委員玉珍：好，你跟縣政府好好地研究一下。","接下來我想請教一下，院長，你有看到前幾天賴總統親上火線錄節目的影片嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我知道。"],["陳委員玉珍：你知道這個影片嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：我剛看到的時候以為這個是深偽、AI技術、詐騙。我是在網路上看到的，您知道這個影片嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：總統在主持總統府全社會防衛性委員會的會議當中，會有一些專家學者的建議等等，我們也認為這不一定是戰爭啦！我們就很多重大的……"],["陳委員玉珍：我想請教的是，上面這個是沃草，沒錯嘛！你知道嗎？這是他幫沃草錄製的，你知道嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：啊？"],["陳委員玉珍：沃草，上面右上方有「沃草」兩個字，有沒有？"],["卓院長榮泰：沃草？喔！"],["陳委員玉珍：有沒有？它這個不是在總統府的官方網站，它是在一個……當然我後來去查證了，賴清德總統有在他的臉書，大家如果沒看到，去他的臉書看一下，臉書有，後來我還確認這個不是假訊息，他在幫沃草，這個什麼單位？我不知道這是什麼單位？沃草，您知道這個組織嗎？您知道這個東西嗎？是沃草弄的啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：這是一個網路的……"],["陳委員玉珍：他幫沃草錄製的。"],["卓院長榮泰：網路的媒體公司，把影片放下來……"],["陳委員玉珍：第一個，這有幾個問題啊！我們先……內容等一下討論，我們現在第一個，他幫一個網路的媒體公司錄影片。"],["陳部長世凱：那是抓他臉書上的影片下來。"],["陳委員玉珍：抓他臉書下來？所以他是在……"],["卓院長榮泰：這本來是沒有沃草的？"],["陳部長世凱：對，正版……"],["陳委員玉珍：它是抓他臉書影片？我看到的是沃草的這個影片，然後我後來回去看總統府……"],["陳部長世凱：例如您看那個udn，他不是幫udn錄嘛！"],["陳委員玉珍：沒有，那是聯合報做成的新聞嘛！"],["陳部長世凱：對，那個沃草其實也是報導的新聞。"],["陳委員玉珍：部長，你好像說錯了，我去查了一下，他好像是幫那個民間組織、網路公司，我不知道這是什麼組織，沃草這個組織，錄這個說全民要防衛、要注意，那您覺得這個不是……您看了有什麼感想？院長，看了有什麼想法？"],["卓院長榮泰：總統要傳達的是一個我們在大型的災難之後，全民要做一些對自己以及對周遭環境，國人的一些後援復舊的工作。"],["陳委員玉珍：說的可能是天災，比如說颱風啊！比如說地震啊！是不是？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們常常發生。"],["陳委員玉珍：這是你幫總統詮釋的，還是他的想法？"],["卓院長榮泰：不，全社會防衛韌性就是這個意思。"],["陳委員玉珍：可是這個很奇怪喔！國家防災日是在前一天，他並不是在國家防災日放出這個影片耶！"],["卓院長榮泰：9月都是國家防災月。"],["陳委員玉珍：好，那您知道他後面說了什麼？我也是……其實我剛開始也是跟你一樣的想法，說這個是不是地震啊！天災啊！颱風的時候，總統講了這個，結果後來……最後，您知道他最後，您有看那個影片看到最後嗎？我有整個看完，看了好多遍，你知道他的內容？有看到最後嗎？他說守護國家要自己救，這個不像在講災難啦！這個像在講戰爭啦！我傳給很多朋友說你們看這像什麼，所有的朋友，不管他是偏藍、偏綠或是中間的，大家都覺得說這個是要打仗嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：不是，我們到……"],["陳委員玉珍：你看了會不會有點膽顫心驚啊？"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，我最近經常到花蓮去，這樣類似的話我也常講啊！"],["陳委員玉珍：什麼這樣類似的話？"],["卓院長榮泰：就是我們自己的國家要自己救，自己的地方要自己維護。"],["陳委員玉珍：自己的地方沒有問題，自己地方自己維護，這當然沒有問題啊！問題是……"],["卓院長榮泰：這是一個表達的……"],["陳委員玉珍：好，那沒關係，你如果可以幫忙澄清也很好，就是說總統錄這個不是因為可能戰爭，這個很重要，您公開講清楚，不要讓民心惶惶，我也可以接受，您說吧！"],["卓院長榮泰：全社會防衛這個是非常多面向的，我們可能遇到天災地變，可能遇到一些我們想像不到的不法事情，但是都必須建立全民有這種全民防衛的心情。"],["陳委員玉珍：是，所以如果發生像今天的颱風，哪一天地震的時候，這個有需要民防隊出動嗎？是嗎？民防隊……"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，我們昨天……"],["陳委員玉珍：就像颱風、地震，都需要民防隊出來嗎？因為他講到民防隊啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：我在災害應變中心的時候，我們甚至要拜託國軍弟兄都要……"],["陳委員玉珍：國軍弟兄沒問題，國軍沒問題，國軍常常不管是作戰、救災都幫忙，那地震這個民防隊也要出動，是不是？我知道一下，我知道一下你們怎麼做，我的意思是說……"],["卓院長榮泰：國家必須儲備相關的人力，養兵就在千日，也許永遠用不到。"],["陳委員玉珍：你現在又在說兵嘛！我說的就是說，如果……"],["卓院長榮泰：我在講的是成語啦！"],["陳委員玉珍：按照你剛剛的前提，例如這個影片只是擔心這種災害的時候，颱風、地震的時候，當然我也是很願意接受這個說法，可是如果不是的話，如果是因應可能的戰爭的話，這是很多人看到的想法，至少我看了會嚇一跳，我們都非常擔心啦！如果這樣的話，其實我覺得如果要做好準備，總統應該很公開、很清楚的讓大家知道要怎麼做，不要造成民心惶惶，民心安定很重要，到底要怎麼做……"],["卓院長榮泰：雖然現在中國的軍機經常越過我們鄰接線的部分，但是我們對臺灣的安全跟和平還是有相當的信心的，而且我們要肩負……"],["陳委員玉珍：有信心是好事，但是備戰也是要做嘛！總統也是說要備戰嘛！所以你們有發布這個全民國防手冊，你有看過全民國防手冊嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們常說備戰才能避戰。"],["陳委員玉珍：你有看過全民國防手冊嗎？既然要備戰，身為這個最高……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們在內部會議的時候有看過……"],["陳委員玉珍：最高行政首長有看過嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：但是……"],["陳委員玉珍：好！行政院長，如果現在我們在質詢過程當中，突然中共就打過來，一個炮彈就掉下來，我們現在在立法院，我們要躲在哪裡？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們可能就必須要……"],["陳委員玉珍：我們最近的掩體在哪裡？"],["卓院長榮泰：是，委員就指出一個非常重要、我們最近在討論的事情，其中有一項就是這個樣子……"],["陳委員玉珍：比如說現場的人要躲在哪個地方？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們除了說地震要趴下之外，如果更大的災難發生的時候，每一個人在當下要知道我要去哪裡，就是要建立這樣防衛的心情。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，各個縣市都有這個全民國防手冊嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：有那個空間，是不是……"],["陳委員玉珍：你既然要做、要教育民眾，全民國防手冊各縣市都有嗎？院長、部長。"],["顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，全民國防手冊裡面可以點進去消防一點通，裡面都有所有……"],["陳委員玉珍：我知道，各個地方縣市都要有應變手冊，比如說我在臺北、我在金門，有各個縣市都有嗎？沒有嘛！您知道有多少個縣市有嗎？"],["顧部長立雄：您是說防空避難設備，還是指……"],["陳委員玉珍：就是國防應變手冊，因為各地會有各地要躲在哪裡，要做什麼工作，我講例子給您聽。"],["顧部長立雄：國防部頒布一個全民國防手冊之後，各縣市政府會依照其轄區的特性調修那個手冊。"],["陳委員玉珍：好，那有多少縣市調修出來了？"],["顧部長立雄：據我的了解，應該各縣市都有調整。"],["陳委員玉珍：錯，只有17個縣市有，你可能要再去追蹤了解一下，我不會針對你，因為謝謝國防部，國防部也是幫金門很多忙，在飛機沒有飛的時候，也幫忙我們飛了很多軍機，我們需要後送的時候都是國防部在幫我們，我們平時就很像戰時了。"],["顧部長立雄：如果還有縣市沒有調修的話，我們會下去再……"],["陳委員玉珍：是，所以如果總統有這樣的決心、有這樣的打算，第一個，要讓全民知道，不要讓民心惶惶。第二個，40萬民力這樣夠嗎？應該也是不夠吧？"],["顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，這個是根據民防法相關的規定來做民力的編組訓練。"],["陳委員玉珍：40萬夠嗎？"],["顧部長立雄：它的範圍很大，包括要搶救重大的災難、協助……"],["陳委員玉珍：是啊！來打仗、通訊、救護，還有……"],["顧部長立雄：協助地方治安等等。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，事情很多，那40萬夠嗎？"],["顧部長立雄：我想這個……"],["陳委員玉珍：夠嗎？院長，夠不夠？您是最高行政首長，如果真的遇到這樣大的事情，40萬夠嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們討論出來的這個數字就是基本的需求。"],["陳委員玉珍：所以是不夠的嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：基本的需求我們希望他是備而不用。"],["陳委員玉珍：所以如果總統真的要全面備戰，不尋求不要打仗、看有沒有什麼和平的方法，他希望但他不尋求，因為他說我們就全民一起來備戰，那也要讓百姓知道，這是第一個。當然，這是他的選擇，我們的總統、我們的元首，我們當然尊重。"],["顧部長立雄：我想這個主要在強化韌性。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，韌性，那其實40萬也是不夠的，我建議是不是開始討論，實施像以前金門做的那樣，全民皆兵，每個人都參加，組成民防自衛隊，不分男女，16歲到55歲。"],["卓院長榮泰：臺灣現在沒有這樣的環境跟必要"],["陳委員玉珍：沒有這樣的環境喔？那你就是沒有打仗的環境啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：我們現在全民防衛韌性是安全的韌性。"],["陳委員玉珍：所以你沒有打仗的環境嘛！因為你們沒有這樣的決心，如果要打仗，就不會分男或是女。"],["顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，民兵跟民力是不一樣的。"],["董次長建宏：跟委員報告，這個民力最重要的是在……"],["陳委員玉珍：不一樣？你覺得現在戰爭不會打到你家門口就對了？"],["董次長建宏：跟委員報告，我們這個民力最主要是面對像今天颱風或者是天然災害，我們是處理協助，要先自救才能夠他救……"],["陳委員玉珍：所以不是面對戰爭啦！"],["董次長建宏：我們希望透過這樣的方式來協助。"],["陳委員玉珍：不是面對戰爭嘛！我只要這句話，不是面對戰爭嘛？"],["董次長建宏：我們的民防法有規定，這個民防法的規定裡面包括民間的自救能力，共同防衛人民的生命財產安全……"],["陳委員玉珍：謝謝你，這個我會再繼續跟你們討論，因為我只剩下30秒，我要問一個問題。","院長，你住在哪裡？（金門語）你住在哪裡？（金門語）"],["卓院長榮泰：對不起。"],["陳委員玉珍：你要去哪裡？（金門語）你住在哪裡？（金門語）你聽不懂嗎？你聽不懂金門話喔？照文化部的說法，我這個金門話是臺灣臺語耶！金門腔耶！"],["卓院長榮泰：那我還要學習。"],["陳委員玉珍：還要學習？所以我這個就不是臺語嘛！你聽不懂臺語喔？我這個是金門話，所以你聽不懂，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：對，聽不懂。"],["陳委員玉珍：你聽不懂嘛！那為什麼我們金門話被文化部列為是臺灣台語？這個就不是台語嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：但是你會講就是國家語言。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，這個很重要，沒有列進來，這就是我今天要問的。"],["卓院長榮泰：是，委員會講就是國家語言。"],["陳委員玉珍：沒有列進來喔！沒有列進國家語言，列進來。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝。"],["陳委員玉珍：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳委員，謝謝卓院長。","下一位請王定宇委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":204,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-2","speakers":["江啟臣","楊瓊瓔","吳秉叡","陳玉珍","王定宇","邱鎮軍","蘇巧慧","吳宗憲","楊曜","游顥","蘇清泉","林淑芬","廖偉翔","許宇甄","張宏陸"],"page_start":105,"meetingDate":["2024-10-01"],"gazette_id":"1137601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137601_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第2次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 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