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立位啊可是總統就是三軍統帥嘛"},{"start":954.917,"end":959.32,"text":"好謝謝好謝謝王委員謝謝左院長發言會現在在"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:20:05.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:20:07.069000+08:00","text":"謝謝副院長，麻煩卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-01T10:20:07.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:20:07.230000+08:00","text":"卓院長請備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:20:20.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:20:20.374000+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:20:20.374000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:20:22.875000+08:00","text":"院長早，辛苦了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:20:22.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:20:33.778000+08:00","text":"我們雖然在這邊進行質詢，其實我剛才一直在聯絡看臺南的情況，因為這次這個颱風的路徑大概是近十年來比較少見的。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:20:33.778000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:20:34.878000+08:00","text":"非常詭異。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:20:34.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:20:40.499000+08:00","text":"它現在停在那裡，風雨前的寧靜，其實我們大家要戰戰兢兢，人永遠沒辦法跟老天爺拚。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:20:43.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:20:58.930000+08:00","text":"我第一個先請教治水預算，在從莫拉克到凱米，事實上莫拉克跟凱米都在南臺灣降下非常大的雨，在部分地區的時雨量、累積雨量，凱米甚至於超越莫拉克。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:20:59.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:21:39.603000+08:00","text":"莫拉克颱風當時造成的人命損失是非常嚴重的，以我比較熟悉的臺南為例，相較於凱米跟莫拉克，在莫拉克的時候，根據水利署的資料，臺南淹水區域是5萬3,000公頃到5萬6,000公頃；到了凱米颱風的時候，還是有淹水，但是淹水區域在相同的雨量變700公頃，從5萬3,000公頃到700公頃，其中包含我的選區，從南關線到東區、三爺宮溪、二仁溪、許縣溪、鹽水溪，這都是以前明星的淹水災區域。","quality":0.779},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:21:39.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:21:51.828000+08:00","text":"所以我感謝水利相關的治水人員，從中央到地方，在凱米的時候，還好我們度過了，但治水永遠不能自滿，我們也不敢說不會淹水這個事情。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:21:52.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:22:25.583000+08:00","text":"現在面對這麼強大的颱風要過來，我看了一下預算，行政院明年的治水預算概估起來有551億，從郭智輝部長的經濟部到相關部會，加總起來有551億，在我選區的鹽水溪八甲橋這邊有17.5億，這個是做堤岸的，另外在其他一些橋梁要提高符合治水治理線的高度等等，這551億多重要啊！","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:22:26.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:23:04.444000+08:00","text":"賴清德總統到臺南的時候宣布，我們用一個基準線來對照，我相信每一任總統都很重視治水，馬英九總統的時候喊出6年600億，所以平均1年100億，馬英九總統銜接到蔡英文總統，相關的治水預算加起來，2014年到2024年大概十年是1,873億，大概平均每一年有180億上下，而我們明年度的治水預算就達到551億，坦白講，這個投資的規模大概是創歷史的。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:23:05.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:23:13.531000+08:00","text":"我第一個要請教卓院長，或其他部會可以協助回答，提高這樣的額度，你希望達成的目標是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:23:13.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:23:26.982000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個額度的提高是因為在凱米颱風之後，我們到各地走了一趟，我們不能否認過去的治水是有它的績效，但是還有一些部分可能在最後還必須加強某一些疏通、聯外的排水系統，或者是像滯洪池必須再做更多、更深的時候，我們必須再加一些系統性的治水。","quality":0.624},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:23:26.982000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:23:39.643200+08:00","text":"所以我們在凱米颱風之後加了115億，連前瞻加起來總數會有555億這樣的預算。到555？對，555億。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:23:39.643200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:23:52.304400+08:00","text":"不過就這個部分，因為治水其實滿科學的，它就是總合治理，不管是堤岸、抽水站、滯洪池、箱涵到區域排水，它是一個整體，以往臺北市以外的區域都共用100億，輪的啦！","quality":0.169},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:23:52.304400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:24:04.965600+08:00","text":"我們經濟部長是從屏東來的，林仔邊的堤岸可以一年做一小節，坦白講，當地人看了覺得說，你做一小節，水也是繞過來，還是淹進來，那就是預算不足。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:24:04.965600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:24:17.626800+08:00","text":"所以我滿期待這五百多億投資下去，有些區域也許蓋了抽水站，但滯洪池還沒齊備，像麻豆的大埤、小埤、埤頭，它就是沒有個滯洪池，把水蓄在那個地方。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:24:17.626800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:24:30.288000+08:00","text":"我要請教，這551億有延續性的，也有新增的，目前總預算如果一直卡在程序委員會不去審查的話，這些該怎麼辦？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:24:30.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:24:58.857000+08:00","text":"我們持續在努力，我們希望能夠透過這樣的說明，讓朝野各黨團的委員先進能夠了解，所有的預算整體性一定是有它的相關關聯性的。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:24:59.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:25:00.919000+08:00","text":"這個預算的完整性，我們要維持，所以希望儘速付委。","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:25:01.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:25:13.512000+08:00","text":"預算可以刪減凍，到委員會大家提案刪減凍，黨團協商刪減凍，大會還可以再刪減凍，但現在卡在程序委員會是最差的狀態，不能討論，所以只有比方延續性的人事費用，延續性的才能支用，新增的都不行，而這些新增項目有一些可能現在看我們總質詢的人不曉得它在哪裡，龜重溪在哪裡，誰知道？","quality":0.392},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:25:13.512000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:25:32.042333+08:00","text":"龜重溪大埔橋要架高起來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:25:32.042333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:25:50.572667+08:00","text":"比如八甲從南北兩岸要銜接到86號東西向道路，現在那邊沒有堤岸，就得靠新增預算去處理，所以這個部分555億，我希望統合，因為這是跨部會的，從經濟部到內政部、國土管理署等等，可能大家要去思考現在還有哪些易淹水區域或者還不足的地方，讓民眾清楚知道是1年、兩年、3年，要達到什麼目標。","quality":0.119},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:25:50.572667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:26:09.103000+08:00","text":"接下來我要請教有關AI的部分，可能經濟部長還要留在這裡。","quality":0.269},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:26:09.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:26:18.766000+08:00","text":"我一直追蹤，謝謝卓榮泰院長，你上任應該還沒有滿月，你就到我們沙崙宣布要設AI園區，我們充滿期待。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:26:19.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:26:26.068000+08:00","text":"有關AI，它其實不只是硬體的生產，還有軟體的應用，甚至於它是一種態度。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:26:27.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:26:49.090000+08:00","text":"印象中，我聽過郭部長還是哪一位部長提過，現在我們面臨的狀態，有點像30年前剛在用電腦的時候，後來我們才發現變成會電腦跟不會電腦，根本就是0跟1的差別，而不是有多少的問題，所以AI要發展，可能是國發會，可能是國科會，可能是經濟部，可能是院要統籌的。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:26:49.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:26:55.994000+08:00","text":"我目前看一下明年度的預算，你們以兩個計畫要在沙崙C區投入1.8億及1.33億。","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:27:02.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:27:14.529000+08:00","text":"另外，根據我發文給國科會的回文，國科會回答你們現在整個經費期程尚在研議當中，需要視計畫審議及核定後確定。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:27:15.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:27:29.129000+08:00","text":"第一個先請教院長，臺灣現在發展AI，除了我們常常知道我們可能是製造上的大國、NVIDIA下單先進晶片，到底願景是什麼？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:27:29.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:27:37.313000+08:00","text":"臺灣在行政院或者國發會、國科會相關部會，對AI發展的願景是什麼？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:27:37.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:27:52.720000+08:00","text":"除了繼續維持我們作為製造大國之外，我們要進入軟體設計的時代，甚至建立自己的大型語言模型，所以我說主權AI應用時代，是我們下一個階段開始要進行追求的一個目標。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:27:52.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:27:57.862000+08:00","text":"這些願景要轉換成政策跟預算，行政院目前有沒有計畫？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:28:00.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:28:01.623000+08:00","text":"也許是跨部會編列的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:28:02.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:28:05.245000+08:00","text":"我們每一年投資在AI上面的預算準備編列多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:28:06.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:28:21.015000+08:00","text":"包括我們剛剛談到大型語言模型TAIDE的預算，以及國科會在吳主委的安排之下，我去到沙崙，我們在114到118年就會在沙崙投入超過360億的預算，整個科技預算事實上是超過1,000億。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:28:21.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:28:22.416000+08:00","text":"114年到118年，這個算是4年期的計畫，要投資多少？360億。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:28:29.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:28:35.484000+08:00","text":"這個跟原來的沙崙醫療園區無關，是獨立出來的另外一個計畫？","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-10-01T10:28:35.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:28:35.624000+08:00","text":"獨立的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:28:37.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:28:39.006000+08:00","text":"請院長繼續。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:28:40.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:28:50.331000+08:00","text":"更是有超過1,000億以上的科技預算在明年度要執行，如同剛剛委員所說的，不管是治水跟科技，明年都有很多新增的部分、新增的項目。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:28:50.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:28:53.273000+08:00","text":"這個跟治水有點像，它其實是跨部會統合的。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:28:53.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:29:06.977000+08:00","text":"AI有產業，產業要進來，像AMD、NVIDIA要投資臺南跟高雄，這個就經濟部可能比較主轄，牽涉到工業區的infrastructure、基礎建設。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:29:07.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:29:21.841000+08:00","text":"至於產業的導向規劃，可能國科會要做一個導引的方式，裡面還要結合量子，所以我剛才要確認一下，就是在未來4年期，我們會投資將近400億，就是三百六十多億在AI的發展，另外科技預算會投資1,000億。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:29:22.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:29:33.248000+08:00","text":"這樣投入的量能下，人才、能源供應、電力供應、土地這三件事情，有沒有盤點過？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:29:33.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:29:45.879000+08:00","text":"能源照經濟部、台電的盤點，到2030年之前，加進所有AI高科技的快速發展，我們還是有餘裕能夠來供應這些電力。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:29:46.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:29:56.626000+08:00","text":"郭部長，剛才院長講了一個願景，願景變成實質的政策跟投資預算，人才庫、土地、基礎建設跟能源供應，而能源這一塊，你怎麼看？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-10-01T10:29:58.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:30:02.070000+08:00","text":"是，報告委員，我們在這四年內準備培育AI人員、AI工程師大概是20萬人。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:30:02.070000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:30:03.070000+08:00","text":"AI工程師培養20萬人。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-10-01T10:30:03.070000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:30:04.070000+08:00","text":"20萬人，其中有10萬人是我們準備從讓僑外生他們來臺灣攻讀AI的課程以後，進入到企業服務。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:30:04.070000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:30:05.070000+08:00","text":"等於跨國界的人才培養。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-10-01T10:30:05.070000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:30:06.070000+08:00","text":"對，然後其中的10萬人是由我們自己的學子，讓他們來從事這樣的工作。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:30:03.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:30:04.011000+08:00","text":"那電力的供應呢？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-10-01T10:30:04.011000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:30:33.894000+08:00","text":"電力的供應以目前來講……","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:30:33.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:30:44.006000+08:00","text":"現有的盤點，新開發的還不曉得，比如說基隆的天然氣接收站未確定，我們不講，就以現有的能源供應，發展AI上是不是充足？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-10-01T10:30:44.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:30:45.989000+08:00","text":"是，以現有我們擁有的電力規劃跟所擁有的電力，應該到2030年為止是可以滿足所有的需求。","quality":0.528},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:30:45.989000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:30:47.254667+08:00","text":"現有的是可以滿足？","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-10-01T10:30:47.254667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:30:48.520333+08:00","text":"現有的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:30:48.520333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:30:49.786000+08:00","text":"因為AI要求的是RE100再生能源的供應，很多是要求這個，還不是傳統的核電、碳或者是燒油的，那個沒有算在RE100裡面。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-10-01T10:30:49.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:31:19.874000+08:00","text":"綠電的部分，我們現在正在加緊，雖然現在有一點落後進度，不過我們現在在院的指導之下全力的發展綠能。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:31:20.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:31:21.736000+08:00","text":"時間的關係，我移回來卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:31:21.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:31:25.979000+08:00","text":"對於你心中的願景，未來AI發展的重鎮在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:31:25.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:31:29.421000+08:00","text":"當然全臺灣都要，但重點在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:31:29.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:31:32.864000+08:00","text":"委員一定是關心臺南沙崙。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:31:32.864000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:31:33.864000+08:00","text":"我站在這裡，我當然要等答案。","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:31:33.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:31:48.242000+08:00","text":"我們也一樣非常關心，沙崙它會起一個帶頭、起頭大的作用，你剛剛提到土地，現在沙崙還有很多可以興建開發起來，它興建的建築物已經相當大、相當多，但還有很多可以開發，所以它絕對是一個帶頭的地方。","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:31:48.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:31:53.263000+08:00","text":"我最後提醒你，我待會請顧立雄部長，3分鐘有問題要問他。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:31:53.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:32:30.798000+08:00","text":"就是說，在沙崙這一邊，請注意一下我們的國土計畫法，它有一些劃的區塊不符合我們的需求，所以本來的五年檢討期，明年就要進行檢討，現在大家主張把國土計畫法先拉下來，重新盤點沙崙這一塊跟周邊，不管是中洲、武東、大潭、沙崙、五甲、歸南、崙仔頂，這周邊的發展在國土計畫法裡面很多是劃成農業發展區，所以這個部分可能要去注意一下，我也提醒主委。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2024-10-01T10:32:30.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:32:34.420000+08:00","text":"我們也協調市政府……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:32:34.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:32:37.662000+08:00","text":"請市政府、農業部及國科會都來協調。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:32:37.662000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:32:38.662000+08:00","text":"好，我請顧部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:32:37.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:32:39.604000+08:00","text":"期待院長有空再來沙崙走一走。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:32:39.604000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:32:40.604000+08:00","text":"一定會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:32:39.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:32:41.885000+08:00","text":"你每次來都有好消息，你先請回。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:32:42.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:32:56.346000+08:00","text":"我請顧立雄部長，最後兩分多鐘請教顧部長，你邊走邊聽我提問，這兩天有一個蠻奇怪的消息，就是有關賴清德總統三軍統帥……院長可以先坐，沒關係。","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:32:56.346000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:32:57.346000+08:00","text":"沒關係。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:32:56.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:33:02.449000+08:00","text":"賴清德總統三軍統帥在將領晉升的時候，怎麼傳出一個消息？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:33:03.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:33:13.514000+08:00","text":"坦白講，我大概二十幾歲認識賴清德國大代表到現在，我沒有看過他摔東西啦，甚至於坦白講，他就是要罵人也罵得蠻文雅的，會讓你很難過，但是還蠻文雅的。","quality":0.734},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:33:13.514000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:33:20.647000+08:00","text":"破口大罵，我還很少看到，唯一一次看到是潛艦在立法院被擋了六十幾次，他那一次真的是生氣了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:33:20.647000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:33:27.780000+08:00","text":"這個到底是怎麼回事？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:33:27.780000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:33:34.913000+08:00","text":"對這個媒體報導這樣的內容及操作，你覺得它有什麼樣的目的？","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2024-10-01T10:33:34.913000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:33:42.046000+08:00","text":"因為總統是在我們8月的將官訓勉典禮之後，他為了要感謝國軍守護國家辛勞，也希望能夠有更多的互動，來聽一下將官們的意見，所以他說要安排一個茶敘，這個是多年來第一次舉辦。","quality":0.267},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:33:42.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:33:42.346000+08:00","text":"以往晉升就結束了。對。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:33:42.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:33:43.627000+08:00","text":"這一次是晉升掛階之後，總統安排到官邸，是不是？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2024-10-01T10:33:43.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:33:43.807000+08:00","text":"總統府裡面……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:33:43.807000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:33:53.042500+08:00","text":"總統府裡面安排茶敘。","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2024-10-01T10:33:53.042500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:34:02.278000+08:00","text":"進行一個茶敘，因為這個流程會前，確實我們這邊沒有溝通清楚，那個時候安排當然是一個圓桌的平台，並不是總統還要先上台有一個致詞，它就是一個平台……","quality":0.062},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:34:02.278000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:34:11.513500+08:00","text":"就是一個圓桌子。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2024-10-01T10:34:11.513500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:34:20.749000+08:00","text":"一個圓桌，大家先坐著。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2024-10-01T10:34:20.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:34:28.555000+08:00","text":"總統進來的時候應該沒有喊「總統進來，請起立」這樣子的一個動作，所以總統進來之後，確實有提醒一下說按照軍人禮節，應該要注意一下，就這樣子。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:34:28.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:34:29.155000+08:00","text":"就輕輕提醒這一句。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2024-10-01T10:34:29.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:34:31.997000+08:00","text":"當然，他一向講話就是態度蠻嚴正的，但是也沒有任何辱罵或者是任何摔東西在地上，我想都沒有這樣一個情事。","quality":0.348},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:34:31.997000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:34:39.513333+08:00","text":"所以這樣子，坦白講，過程我聽起來也就是這樣子，這樣就過了，就繼續進行下面的……","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2024-10-01T10:34:39.513333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:34:47.029667+08:00","text":"對，就繼續，然後他就坐下來，因為這是一個很大的圓桌，他就繼續坐下來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:34:47.029667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:34:54.546000+08:00","text":"那你認為這些坦白講有些片段、扭曲式的說法，會有什麼樣的影響？","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2024-10-01T10:34:54.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:34:55.827000+08:00","text":"最近我看很多人的評論，好像就一直覺得總統需要立威，可是總統就是三軍統帥，三軍統帥……","quality":0.405},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:34:55.827000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:35:07.889750+08:00","text":"三軍統帥不用立威了啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2024-10-01T10:35:07.889750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:35:19.952500+08:00","text":"不用立威了，那我想針對相關的禮節有所提醒，對軍人的禮節有所提醒，這也是做為一個三軍統帥應該要做的事情。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2024-10-01T10:35:19.952500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:35:32.015250+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長、謝謝部長，謝謝。","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-01T10:35:32.015250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:35:44.078000+08:00","text":"委員，總統很難當面罵人，也很少用電話罵人。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-01T10:35:44.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-01T10:35:45.979000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝王委員、謝謝卓院長。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-01T10:35:46.479000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:35:56.193286+08:00","text":"報告院會，現在在議場二樓旁聽席的是東吳大學政治系的同學，我們在此表達歡迎。","quality":0.118},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-01T10:35:56.493286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:36:17.350429+08:00","text":"There are some more students from foreign countries, welcome to our Legislative Yuan.","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-01T10:36:17.650429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:36:23.936143+08:00","text":"報告院會，現在休息10分鐘，休息之後，我們繼續進行質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-01T10:36:24.236143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:36:25.379000+08:00","text":"現在休息。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-01T10:36:25.679000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:36:26.821857+08:00","text":"休息（10時36分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-01T10:36:27.121857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-01T10:36:28.836143+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時47分）","quality":0}]},"會議時間":"2024-10-01T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"10:19:49 - 10:35:50","會議名稱":"第11屆第2會期第2次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢）","gazette":{"lineno":633,"blocks":[["王委員定宇：（10時20分）謝謝副院長，麻煩卓院長。"],["主席：卓院長請備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：王委員好。"],["王委員定宇：院長早，辛苦了。我們雖然在這邊進行質詢，其實我剛才一直在聯絡看臺南的情況，因為這次這個颱風的路徑大概是近十年來比較少見的。"],["卓院長榮泰：非常詭異。"],["王委員定宇：它現在停在那裡，風雨前的寧靜，其實我們大家要戰戰兢兢，人永遠沒辦法跟老天爺拚。我第一個先請教治水預算，在從莫拉克到凱米，事實上莫拉克跟凱米都在南臺灣降下非常大的雨，在部分地區的時雨量、累積雨量，凱米甚至於超越莫拉克。莫拉克颱風當時造成的人命損失是非常嚴重的，以我比較熟悉的臺南為例，相較於凱米跟莫拉克，在莫拉克的時候，根據水利署的資料，臺南淹水區域是5萬3,000公頃到5萬6,000公頃；到了凱米颱風的時候，還是有淹水，但是淹水區域在相同的雨量變700公頃，從5萬3,000公頃到700公頃，其中包含我的選區，從南關線到東區、三爺宮溪、二仁溪、許縣溪、鹽水溪，這都是以前明星的淹水災區域。所以我感謝水利相關的治水人員，從中央到地方，在凱米的時候，還好我們度過了，但治水永遠不能自滿，我們也不敢說不會淹水這個事情。","現在面對這麼強大的颱風要過來，我看了一下預算，行政院明年的治水預算概估起來有551億，從郭智輝部長的經濟部到相關部會，加總起來有551億，在我選區的鹽水溪八甲橋這邊有17.5億，這個是做堤岸的，另外在其他一些橋梁要提高符合治水治理線的高度等等，這551億多重要啊！賴清德總統到臺南的時候宣布，我們用一個基準線來對照，我相信每一任總統都很重視治水，馬英九總統的時候喊出6年600億，所以平均1年100億，馬英九總統銜接到蔡英文總統，相關的治水預算加起來，2014年到2024年大概十年是1,873億，大概平均每一年有180億上下，而我們明年度的治水預算就達到551億，坦白講，這個投資的規模大概是創歷史的。","我第一個要請教卓院長，或其他部會可以協助回答，提高這樣的額度，你希望達成的目標是什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，這個額度的提高是因為在凱米颱風之後，我們到各地走了一趟，我們不能否認過去的治水是有它的績效，但是還有一些部分可能在最後還必須加強某一些疏通、聯外的排水系統，或者是像滯洪池必須再做更多、更深的時候，我們必須再加一些系統性的治水。所以我們在凱米颱風之後加了115億，連前瞻加起來總數會有555億這樣的預算。"],["王委員定宇：到555？"],["卓院長榮泰：對，555億。"],["王委員定宇：不過就這個部分，因為治水其實滿科學的，它就是總合治理，不管是堤岸、抽水站、滯洪池、箱涵到區域排水，它是一個整體，以往臺北市以外的區域都共用100億，輪的啦！我們經濟部長是從屏東來的，林仔邊的堤岸可以一年做一小節，坦白講，當地人看了覺得說，你做一小節，水也是繞過來，還是淹進來，那就是預算不足。所以我滿期待這五百多億投資下去，有些區域也許蓋了抽水站，但滯洪池還沒齊備，像麻豆的大埤、小埤、埤頭，它就是沒有個滯洪池，把水蓄在那個地方。","我要請教，這551億有延續性的，也有新增的，目前總預算如果一直卡在程序委員會不去審查的話，這些該怎麼辦？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們持續在努力，我們希望能夠透過這樣的說明，讓朝野各黨團的委員先進能夠了解，所有的預算整體性一定是有它的相關關聯性的。這個預算的完整性，我們要維持，所以希望儘速付委。"],["王委員定宇：預算可以刪減凍，到委員會大家提案刪減凍，黨團協商刪減凍，大會還可以再刪減凍，但現在卡在程序委員會是最差的狀態，不能討論，所以只有比方延續性的人事費用，延續性的才能支用，新增的都不行，而這些新增項目有一些可能現在看我們總質詢的人不曉得它在哪裡，龜重溪在哪裡，誰知道？龜重溪大埔橋要架高起來。比如八甲從南北兩岸要銜接到86號東西向道路，現在那邊沒有堤岸，就得靠新增預算去處理，所以這個部分555億，我希望統合，因為這是跨部會的，從經濟部到內政部、國土管理署等等，可能大家要去思考現在還有哪些易淹水區域或者還不足的地方，讓民眾清楚知道是1年、兩年、3年，要達到什麼目標。","接下來我要請教有關AI的部分，可能經濟部長還要留在這裡。我一直追蹤，謝謝卓榮泰院長，你上任應該還沒有滿月，你就到我們沙崙宣布要設AI園區，我們充滿期待。有關AI，它其實不只是硬體的生產，還有軟體的應用，甚至於它是一種態度。印象中，我聽過郭部長還是哪一位部長提過，現在我們面臨的狀態，有點像30年前剛在用電腦的時候，後來我們才發現變成會電腦跟不會電腦，根本就是0跟1的差別，而不是有多少的問題，所以AI要發展，可能是國發會，可能是國科會，可能是經濟部，可能是院要統籌的。我目前看一下明年度的預算，你們以兩個計畫要在沙崙C區投入1.8億及1.33億。另外，根據我發文給國科會的回文，國科會回答你們現在整個經費期程尚在研議當中，需要視計畫審議及核定後確定。第一個先請教院長，臺灣現在發展AI，除了我們常常知道我們可能是製造上的大國、NVIDIA下單先進晶片，到底願景是什麼？臺灣在行政院或者國發會、國科會相關部會，對AI發展的願景是什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：除了繼續維持我們作為製造大國之外，我們要進入軟體設計的時代，甚至建立自己的大型語言模型，所以我說主權AI應用時代，是我們下一個階段開始要進行追求的一個目標。"],["王委員定宇：這些願景要轉換成政策跟預算，行政院目前有沒有計畫？也許是跨部會編列的。我們每一年投資在AI上面的預算準備編列多少？"],["卓院長榮泰：包括我們剛剛談到大型語言模型TAIDE的預算，以及國科會在吳主委的安排之下，我去到沙崙，我們在114到118年就會在沙崙投入超過360億的預算，整個科技預算事實上是超過1,000億。"],["王委員定宇：114年到118年，這個算是4年期的計畫，要投資多少？"],["卓院長榮泰：360億。"],["王委員定宇：這個跟原來的沙崙醫療園區無關，是獨立出來的另外一個計畫？"],["吳主任委員誠文：獨立的。"],["王委員定宇：請院長繼續。"],["卓院長榮泰：更是有超過1,000億以上的科技預算在明年度要執行，如同剛剛委員所說的，不管是治水跟科技，明年都有很多新增的部分、新增的項目。"],["王委員定宇：這個跟治水有點像，它其實是跨部會統合的。AI有產業，產業要進來，像AMD、NVIDIA要投資臺南跟高雄，這個就經濟部可能比較主轄，牽涉到工業區的infrastructure、基礎建設。至於產業的導向規劃，可能國科會要做一個導引的方式，裡面還要結合量子，所以我剛才要確認一下，就是在未來4年期，我們會投資將近400億，就是三百六十多億在AI的發展，另外科技預算會投資1,000億。這樣投入的量能下，人才、能源供應、電力供應、土地這三件事情，有沒有盤點過？"],["卓院長榮泰：能源照經濟部、台電的盤點，到2030年之前，加進所有AI高科技的快速發展，我們還是有餘裕能夠來供應這些電力。"],["王委員定宇：郭部長，剛才院長講了一個願景，願景變成實質的政策跟投資預算，人才庫、土地、基礎建設跟能源供應，而能源這一塊，你怎麼看？"],["郭部長智輝：是，報告委員，我們在這四年內準備培育AI人員、AI工程師大概是20萬人。"],["王委員定宇：AI工程師培養20萬人。"],["郭部長智輝：20萬人，其中有10萬人是我們準備從讓僑外生他們來臺灣攻讀AI的課程以後，進入到企業服務。"],["王委員定宇：等於跨國界的人才培養。"],["郭部長智輝：對，然後其中的10萬人是由我們自己的學子，讓他們來從事這樣的工作。"],["王委員定宇：那電力的供應呢？"],["郭部長智輝：電力的供應以目前來講……"],["王委員定宇：現有的盤點，新開發的還不曉得，比如說基隆的天然氣接收站未確定，我們不講，就以現有的能源供應，發展AI上是不是充足？"],["郭部長智輝：是，以現有我們擁有的電力規劃跟所擁有的電力，應該到2030年為止是可以滿足所有的需求。"],["王委員定宇：現有的是可以滿足？"],["郭部長智輝：現有的。"],["王委員定宇：因為AI要求的是RE100再生能源的供應，很多是要求這個，還不是傳統的核電、碳或者是燒油的，那個沒有算在RE100裡面。"],["郭部長智輝：綠電的部分，我們現在正在加緊，雖然現在有一點落後進度，不過我們現在在院的指導之下全力的發展綠能。"],["王委員定宇：時間的關係，我移回來卓院長。對於你心中的願景，未來AI發展的重鎮在哪裡？當然全臺灣都要，但重點在哪裡？"],["卓院長榮泰：委員一定是關心臺南沙崙。"],["王委員定宇：我站在這裡，我當然要等答案。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們也一樣非常關心，沙崙它會起一個帶頭、起頭大的作用，你剛剛提到土地，現在沙崙還有很多可以興建開發起來，它興建的建築物已經相當大、相當多，但還有很多可以開發，所以它絕對是一個帶頭的地方。"],["王委員定宇：我最後提醒你，我待會請顧立雄部長，3分鐘有問題要問他。就是說，在沙崙這一邊，請注意一下我們的國土計畫法，它有一些劃的區塊不符合我們的需求，所以本來的五年檢討期，明年就要進行檢討，現在大家主張把國土計畫法先拉下來，重新盤點沙崙這一塊跟周邊，不管是中洲、武東、大潭、沙崙、五甲、歸南、崙仔頂，這周邊的發展在國土計畫法裡面很多是劃成農業發展區，所以這個部分可能要去注意一下，我也提醒主委。"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們也協調市政府……"],["卓院長榮泰：請市政府、農業部及國科會都來協調。"],["王委員定宇：好，我請顧部長。期待院長有空再來沙崙走一走。"],["卓院長榮泰：一定會。"],["王委員定宇：你每次來都有好消息，你先請回。","我請顧立雄部長，最後兩分多鐘請教顧部長，你邊走邊聽我提問，這兩天有一個蠻奇怪的消息，就是有關賴清德總統三軍統帥……院長可以先坐，沒關係。"],["卓院長榮泰：沒關係。"],["王委員定宇：賴清德總統三軍統帥在將領晉升的時候，怎麼傳出一個消息？坦白講，我大概二十幾歲認識賴清德國大代表到現在，我沒有看過他摔東西啦，甚至於坦白講，他就是要罵人也罵得蠻文雅的，會讓你很難過，但是還蠻文雅的。破口大罵，我還很少看到，唯一一次看到是潛艦在立法院被擋了六十幾次，他那一次真的是生氣了。這個到底是怎麼回事？對這個媒體報導這樣的內容及操作，你覺得它有什麼樣的目的？"],["顧部長立雄：因為總統是在我們8月的將官訓勉典禮之後，他為了要感謝國軍守護國家辛勞，也希望能夠有更多的互動，來聽一下將官們的意見，所以他說要安排一個茶敘，這個是多年來第一次舉辦。"],["王委員定宇：以往晉升就結束了。"],["顧部長立雄：對。"],["王委員定宇：這一次是晉升掛階之後，總統安排到官邸，是不是？"],["顧部長立雄：總統府裡面……"],["王委員定宇：總統府裡面安排茶敘。"],["顧部長立雄：進行一個茶敘，因為這個流程會前，確實我們這邊沒有溝通清楚，那個時候安排當然是一個圓桌的平台，並不是總統還要先上台有一個致詞，它就是一個平台……"],["王委員定宇：就是一個圓桌子。"],["顧部長立雄：一個圓桌，大家先坐著。總統進來的時候應該沒有喊「總統進來，請起立」這樣子的一個動作，所以總統進來之後，確實有提醒一下說按照軍人禮節，應該要注意一下，就這樣子。"],["王委員定宇：就輕輕提醒這一句。"],["顧部長立雄：當然，他一向講話就是態度蠻嚴正的，但是也沒有任何辱罵或者是任何摔東西在地上，我想都沒有這樣一個情事。"],["王委員定宇：所以這樣子，坦白講，過程我聽起來也就是這樣子，這樣就過了，就繼續進行下面的……"],["顧部長立雄：對，就繼續，然後他就坐下來，因為這是一個很大的圓桌，他就繼續坐下來。"],["王委員定宇：那你認為這些坦白講有些片段、扭曲式的說法，會有什麼樣的影響？"],["顧部長立雄：最近我看很多人的評論，好像就一直覺得總統需要立威，可是總統就是三軍統帥，三軍統帥……"],["王委員定宇：三軍統帥不用立威了啦！"],["顧部長立雄：不用立威了，那我想針對相關的禮節有所提醒，對軍人的禮節有所提醒，這也是做為一個三軍統帥應該要做的事情。"],["王委員定宇：好，謝謝院長、謝謝部長，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，總統很難當面罵人，也很少用電話罵人。"],["主席：好，謝謝王委員、謝謝卓院長。","報告院會，現在在議場二樓旁聽席的是東吳大學政治系的同學，我們在此表達歡迎。There are some more students from foreign countries, welcome to our Legislative Yuan.","報告院會，現在休息10分鐘，休息之後，我們繼續進行質詢。現在休息。","休息（10時36分）","繼續開會（10時47分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":204,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-2","speakers":["江啟臣","楊瓊瓔","吳秉叡","陳玉珍","王定宇","邱鎮軍","蘇巧慧","吳宗憲","楊曜","游顥","蘇清泉","林淑芬","廖偉翔","許宇甄","張宏陸"],"page_start":105,"meetingDate":["2024-10-01"],"gazette_id":"1137601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137601_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第2次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1137601_00004"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}