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曾部長早安早五月十七號您還記得我在質詢的時候也針對阿富汗聯盟"},{"start":455.768,"end":472.258,"text":"向您做了一個質詢當初其實我就是用他在108年購置3.7億的這個不動產的部分我看到他的報表其實他這103.7億的部分其實他是分裂在108年的2.24億跟109年的提列的1.55億"},{"start":477.666,"end":489.185,"text":"為什麼他會這麼提列兩筆主要是因為他可以達到業務支出的六成就可以免稅連我不是學會計的人我都看到了"},{"start":490.046,"end":510.761,"text":"但是在跟教育部的溝通上我從這些例子教育部給我的答案似乎就是針對他們所提供的財務業務上的報表數字上是沒有錯誤的所以無法可罰是這樣嗎跟委員報告我想這個案子"},{"start":512.708,"end":512.948,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":528.228,"end":529.069,"text":"跟委員來做報告"},{"start":553.74,"end":553.92,"text":"發言委員"},{"start":583.39,"end":607.947,"text":"我想處分兒童,我們先處分他停止新收出養童那我們基本上支持因為他9月30號許可證這期所以我們這次只核發一年的許可證一般是三年能處分,但是能處分不能新收出養童那另外在兒前法這個部分我們也會進步"},{"start":609.764,"end":639.18,"text":"正進行兒少全法的修法希望加強說出養每一個機構的管理力度以彌補現在法令的不足那當然我們會邀請本部也會邀請歐盟加強內外部的督導機制包括外部的督導還有加強人眼內部人眼的教育訓練強化對兒童內帶的辨識能力那我們也會邀請專家持續監督其改善情形以上"},{"start":639.892,"end":667.115,"text":"好我的重點是即使他是一個資產非常龐大的公益巨獸我們的良心跟我們的良知都不應該被吞噬所以凱凱案是全台灣人的痛我想我們站在這個地方我身為一個母親也身為一個公職人員其實我有義務再繼續把這個案子再關心下去也謝謝"},{"start":668.936,"end":689.23,"text":"接下來我想請教教育部的部分其實老師荒教師荒這部分最近有很多的報導除了報導其實從教育現場的第一線也收到了很多相關的資訊"},{"start":690.811,"end":691.251,"text":"李慧琼議員"},{"start":702.868,"end":727.84,"text":"從2005年合發教師證當時應該算是最頂峰那個時候合發教師證的人數高達一萬八千多人但是到了2022年只剩下4906人但這4906人還有多少人是願意直接投入我們的校園當中擔任教職這個部分其實是一個非常大的問題因為不穩定的師資"},{"start":730.401,"end":730.701,"text":"李慧琼"},{"start":743.682,"end":768.869,"text":"這個是很大的一個問題我們有沒有想過會是什麼樣的原因有沒有可能因為爛訴有沒有可能因為老師的管教權被相對的剝奪了有沒有可能因為行政減量變成一種口號在我們的教育政策不斷的推陳出新的狀況之下很多的老師他不是只有在教書他可能還要跑班"},{"start":769.329,"end":769.449,"text":"教育部長"},{"start":792.992,"end":807.161,"text":"謝謝委員關心這個老師怎麼樣讓老師能夠安心專注於在這個學校的教學工作我想那是教育部一直在努力的也利用這個機會跟委員報告事實上在民國57年改制為"},{"start":809.262,"end":834.689,"text":"國民教育9年那大概一個世代30年也就是說他會形成一個世代30年的一個退休潮在上一個30年大概就是在90年左右他確實興起了一個退休潮所以他就世代的一個教師人力的一個替補他確實在那一個87年到92年那個達到高峰那麼以這一個數字來看這也是我進來以後我就要我們"},{"start":835.309,"end":855.475,"text":"施培師要注意掌握這個施肢的退休潮的人數也就是說如果用90年來看那大概在120年也就是說117年到120年左右這又會形成一個退休潮也就是說我們老師中小學老師在替補"},{"start":856.215,"end":879.447,"text":"的一個過程裡邊他事實上會有一個階段性所以委員所提的那一個在上一個在這一個階段裡邊大概我們會快速的補充了非常多的一些正式的老師那隨著這一個補到一定的一個世代交替到有一定的穩定的時候他確實所需求的一個教師人數他就會"},{"start":880.051,"end":880.251,"text":"主席"},{"start":895.663,"end":921.852,"text":"好導師也就是我們真的要強化這個現場教學的誘因導師是最直接面對孩子的最直接面對他的學生的那我們以導師職務的一個佳績的部分我剛剛有提到其實導師的工作非常繁重他的心理壓力跟生理上的壓力甚至於在專業上面的一個提供其實都是我們必須要很關心的光是以國中小"},{"start":925.606,"end":928.017,"text":"以2000塊錢增加到3000塊錢使用"},{"start":934.137,"end":936.298,"text":"在一個地方做一個"},{"start":964.681,"end":969.446,"text":"好謝謝謝謝郭委員謝謝左院長下一位請鄭天"}]},"會議時間":"2024-10-04T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"10:55:16 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11:11:27","會議名稱":"第11屆第2會期第3次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢）","gazette":{"lineno":626,"blocks":[["郭委員昱晴：（10時55分）主席好，有請行政院院長。"],["主席：我們請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：郭委員好。"],["郭委員昱晴：院長早安，這兩天全臺灣都很辛苦，就是因為有颱風。剛剛其實我們已經都看到了明年度的總預算，其中有很大的一個部分，包含我們明年救災的新預算，治水有159億，防災的部分有76.9億，災害防救還有災害準備金、第二預備金，光是治水防災的預備金在新的年度預算是366億，剛剛又被藍白卡關了，這個部分院長心裡做何感受？這是救命錢啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：我感到非常非常的遺憾，這兩天大家在家裡，其實我們的心都跟所有受災的居民一起懸著，從今天早上一直到剛剛為止，我還透過行政院裡面的各位幕僚，我們安排在今天晚上總質詢結束之後的時間要到哪個地方去看看，就是最需要去了解的地方。"],["郭委員昱晴：是。"],["卓院長榮泰：在明、後兩天也可能積極的南下看看受災、淹水或是路塌的地方，我們去無非就是關心災情，更重要的是如何復建。但是我們剛剛看到這樣子非常令人遺憾的結果，各地對我提出的，明年要怎麼樣來做系統性治水，明年要怎麼樣來做交通設施的安全維護跟修建，好像我只有一句話可以告訴他：等我向立法院爭取到預算再來答復各位吧！我覺得這是一個非常無奈的感覺。"],["郭委員昱晴：剛剛直接就是他們藍白聯手，等於他們不把我們明年度的中央總預算案列入議程，就是直接在這邊被卡關，其實我們也感同身受，因為這是很多的救命錢。"],["卓院長榮泰：不過要報告委員，時間還是有的，只要大院能夠儘速在未來的程序委員會讓它付委，我們還是積極的努力在今年度裡面完成這個預算，我們時間還是有的，所以我已經再度透過我們的秘書長跟韓國瑜院長也積極的要求，今天晚上在這個情況底下我們不宜做任何坐下來吃飯的動作，但是要積極的、迅速的找一個時間讓我們來解開這個結，我們看的是整體性、全國性的預算，而不是個別委員單選區的預算。"],["郭委員昱晴：沒錯。"],["卓院長榮泰：所以我們必須要極力的爭取。"],["郭委員昱晴：要儘快的付委，才能夠進行實質的審查，我們的救命錢才能夠真正看得到。"],["卓院長榮泰：是的。"],["郭委員昱晴：好，因為今天我是總質詢的第1個委員，那我們先來看一下第1張，院長，這是國民寶寶剴剴，對剴剴案我在上一個會期大概已經質詢了7次，這次是第8次，我為什麼會針對剴剴案在教育及文化委員會當中質詢？就是因為在9月3號之前兒福聯盟還沒有改隸屬之前，它的主管機關之一就是我們的教育部，那剴剴是一個不到2歲的孩子，不到2歲的孩子其實是最天真、最可愛的，我自己是當媽媽的人，我相信其實在座有很多的爸爸媽媽們都知道一歲多的孩子是多麼可愛，但是我們非常的心疼，在兒福聯盟轉介到劉姓保母姐妹的手上之後，他在短短的114天內被凌虐身亡，他的年紀永遠停留在2023年那一個平安夜。從頭到尾兒福聯盟開過2次的記者會，第1次的記者會是在3月12號，3月11號媒體爆出，3月12號兒福聯盟開記者會說，他們也是看了媒體才知道的，這是多麼諷刺，因為劉姓保母就是在兒福聯盟所轉介的這樣一個合作的條件之下，才把剴剴送入虎口。","3月27號，兒福聯盟開了第2次的記者會，這第2次的記者會是不給媒體發問的記者會，3月29號，它提出了給教育部的一個檢討報告，檢討報告當中剴剴2個字隻字未提，只提到他們在2024年的總預算，他們自己的預算捉襟見肘，還缺九千八百多萬，而前一年度它在臺中購置的不動產剛好是九千七百多萬，這筆預算在報告書上面他們是寫，他們將有決心繼續使用正當的募款來募這9,800萬，看到這樣子的報告我是非常的憤怒，不曉得我剛剛這一連串下來，院長您心裡作何感受？"],["卓院長榮泰：對任何的暴力事件，尤其是針對兒少受虐的情形，我們心裡的悲痛是更加的加劇，因為一個小生命的來臨，他不知道為何而來，他更不知道為何而走，我們對他實在有太多、太多的責任，因此，任何一個機關它既然從事這樣一個出養服務的業務，它必須要有更多、更多的關懷，事後的追蹤跟過程的照顧絕對不能如此的疏失。現在這個單位的主管機關改隸成衛福部，我也希望衛福部能夠依照部裡面真正專業的監督，認真執行這個工作。不僅針對這一個團體，希望對所有的兒少、青少年的團體都要嚴加的跟他們做更好的溝通，在依法、依情、依理的情況底下來做好所有的照護。"],["郭委員昱晴：當然改了隸屬是進步的第一步，這個是我們一直從過去到現在，我跟林月琴委員一直在追這個案子，9月初它已經確定改了隸屬到我們的衛福部。教育部鄭部長，早安。"],["鄭部長英耀：早。"],["郭委員昱晴：5月17號，您還記得我在質詢的時候也針對兒福聯盟向您做了一個質詢，當初其實我就是用它在108年購置3.7億的不動產的部分，我看到它的報表，其實這3.7億的部分它是分列在108年的2.24億跟109年提列的1.55億，為什麼它會這麼提列2筆？主要是因為它可以達到業務支出的六成就可以免稅，連我不是學會計的人我都看到了，但是在跟教育部的溝通上，我從這些例子，教育部給我的答案似乎就是針對他們所提供的財務、業務上的報表，數字上是沒有錯誤的，所以無法可罰，是這樣嗎？"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，我想這個案子我們會再重新來檢討，因為它在內控還有各方面的一些行政跟整個組織的運作，確實有值得檢討的地方，我想我們會在會後再跟委員來做報告。"],["郭委員昱晴：非常好，我聽到了希望。因為在9月25號這個案子首度開庭的時候，其實我們都發現整個兒福聯盟，光從判決書是從媒體這邊披露的，在他們的判決書裡頭我們看到了，起訴書當中其實也看到了，整個兒福聯盟上到下，他們分了2個不同的對話群組，要做什麼？資料上的修補，也就是說，他們是一個共犯的結構，我想針對這個內部已經出現的重大疏失，教育部曾經還是它的重要主管，在9月3號之前，我們還是要追究下去，可以嗎？"],["鄭部長英耀：是的。"],["郭委員昱晴：再來我要討論的是……","衛福部長，您有要補充的嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，我們先處分兒盟停止新收出養童，基本上因為9月30號許可證屆期，所以我們這次只核發一年的許可證，一般是三年，能處分，但是能處分不能新收出養童。另外在兒權法這個部分，我們也正進行兒少權法修法，希望加強收出養每一個機構的管理力度，以彌補現在法令的不足。當然本部也會要求兒盟加強內、外部的督導機制，包括外部的督導，還有加強內部人員的教育訓練，強化對虐待兒童的辨識能力，我們也會邀請專家持續監督其改善情形，以上。"],["郭委員昱晴：好。我的重點是，即使它是一個資產非常龐大的公益巨獸，我們的良心跟我們的良知都不應該被吞噬，所以剴剴案是全臺灣人的痛，我想我們站在這個地方，我身為一個母親，也身為一個公職人員，其實我有義務再繼續把這個案子再關心下去，謝謝。衛福部長，謝謝您。","接下來我想請教的就是我們教育部的部分，其實教師荒這個部分最近有很多報導，除了報導，我們也從教育現場的第一線收到很多相關資訊。根據教育部的一個資料顯示，每年取得教師證核可的所謂擔任教師的比例是逐年在下滑當中，我們以2005年核發教師證，當時應該算是最頂峰，那個時候核發教師證的人數高達一萬八千多人，但是到了2022年只剩下4,906人，而這4,906人中還有多少人是願意直接投入我們校園當中擔任教職？這個部分其實是一個非常大的問題！因為不穩定的師資影響的就是受教的學生，我們真的看到了過去大家認為是鐵飯碗的教職，現在大家是連這個鐵飯碗都不想捧了！這個是很大的一個問題！我們有沒有想過會是什麼樣的原因？有沒有可能因為濫訴？有沒有可能因為老師的管教權被相對的剝奪了？有沒有可能因為行政減量變成一種口號？在我們的教育政策不斷推陳出新的狀況之下，很多老師不是只有在教書，他可能還要跑班、他可能課後還要關心學生、還要跟家長溝通，他甚至還要被交付，因為多元教學，他還要去充實自己，老師一天有多少時間可以用？再來，薪資上的不合理，人留不住，是不是都有可能會是最直接的原因？教育部長？"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員關心怎麼樣讓老師能夠安心專注於學校的教學工作，我想那是教育部一直在努力的。也利用這個機會跟委員報告，事實上在民國57年改制為九年國民教育，大概一個世代30年，也就是說它會形成一個世代30年的退休潮，在上一個30年，大概就是在90年左右，它確實興起了一個退休潮，所以世代教師人力的遞補確實在87年到91、92年達到高峰。那麼，以這個數字來看，這也是我進來以後，我就要師培司注意掌握老師退休潮的人數；也就是說，如果用90年來看，大概在120年（就是117年到120年）左右又會形成一個退休潮；也就是中小學老師在遞補的過程，事實上會有一個階段性。所以委員所提的在這個階段，我們大概會快速補充非常多正式老師，隨著遞補到世代交替有一定穩定的時候，它所需求的教師人數確實就會相對遞減，那以這一個情況來講，我們怎麼樣去讓老師確實因為……"],["郭委員昱晴：我們要怎麼樣增加誘因，我直接進入到今天我的主題了，其實我剛剛還沒有講到我今天的主題，以導師來說，我們真的要強化現場教學的誘因。導師是最直接面對孩子的，最直接面對學生的，以導師的職務加給來說，我剛剛有提到，其實導師的工作非常繁重，他的心理壓力跟生理上的壓力，甚至於在專業上的一個提供，其實都是我們必須要很關心的，但是國中小導師的職務加給，自從101年從2,000塊錢增加到3,000塊錢以後，已經12年沒有調整；高中導師的加給106年從2,000塊錢增加到3,000塊錢，已經7年沒有調整；更不用講所謂的特殊教育導師，是從80年到現在33年沒有調整，一個月就只多1,800元，這個部分我覺得是一個非常大的問題。今天因為時間的關係，真的不好意思，我們可能要回到委員會……"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，我們內部確實已經針對整體教師包括特教老師的職務加給，在跟地方研議，等到有共識的時候，就會跟院長報告。"],["郭委員昱晴：好，謝謝，謝謝院長，謝謝部長，謝謝主席。"],["委員郭昱晴書面補充資料：","案由：本院委員郭昱晴有鑑於近年取得教師資格人數大幅下滑，加上現場學校專任教師與代理、代課教師，開學至今仍有大量缺額，為確保教師來源穩定，照顧學生受教權益，此外，特教助理員為普特融合的核心，勞動部9月19日公告明年度基本工資調漲，特教助理員薪資也應等比提高，爰請行政院、教育部等相關部會重視相關議題，並提出改善方案。","說明：","一、導師職務加給法治化，國中小教師檐任導師自101年從2,000元調整為3,000元已有12年未調整，高中教師擔任導師自106年從2,000元調整為3,000元7年未調整、特殊教育教師擔任班導師更是從80年1,800元33年未調整。","二、教師待遇條例第13條第一項第一款之職務加給：對兼任主管職務者、導師或擔任特殊教育者加給之。主管職務加給與導師加給屬於同性質，主管職務加給受到軍公教調薪近八年共調11%，114年也預告調薪3%，而導師加給卻沒有，應建立相關制度同步調整，以免專任教師不願意接任導師職位。","三、教育部提出「提升高級中等以下學校及幼兒園特教學生助理人員服務品質計畫」八月一日起，月薪制31,000元，時薪制比照基本工資183元，但勞動部於9月19日公告明年度基本工資調漲月薪制調漲4.08%達28,590元，部分工時調漲3.8%達190元，特教助理員應調整，以利徵才。","四、此外，因預算規模有限，從八月一日起，已接獲部分工時特教助理員，有減時數之現況，恐影響學生受教權與教師班級經營困境，加上看的到吃不到的加薪條件，衝擊特教助理員留才，將影響學生受教權利，需仰賴行政院支持相關預算。","案由：本院委員郭昱晴有鑑於公立收容所人力分布不均、收容能量與TNVR政策施行狀況不足以應付當前流浪動物問題，爰請行政院、農業部等相關部會重視本議題，並提出改善方案。","說明：","一、據農業部提供資料，目前全國公立收容所收容所管理員300人、駐公立動物收容處所獸醫師147人，總體人數尚堪負荷。然根據《動物收容處所設置組織準則》建議「每40隻動物設一名工作人員，每100隻動物設一名獸醫」比例，全台32處收容所反而許多都不合格。","二、「改善政府動物管制收容設施計畫」剩下臺南市工程115年結束後即全數完成。不過完成後合計犬隻留容最大值仍然不到萬隻，不可能期望以收容方式解決全台16萬隻遊蕩犬問題。","三、TNVR政策實施多年，然近年多有研究指出，若區域內放養、餵食不盡絕，上億經費做TNVR也不會有成效，農業部應提出應對方法。"],["主席：好，謝謝郭委員，謝謝卓院長。","下一位請鄭天財委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":25,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-3","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-10-04"],"gazette_id":"1137701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137701_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第3次會議紀錄","content":"報告事項","agenda_id":"1137701_00001"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}