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完成,好不好?公共建設的那個部份266項要分各部會,我管你怎麼進行臺灣?"},{"start":474.882,"end":499.619,"text":"再來,吼,你這個諸位文很厲害、很偉大你說我們的GDP要超過日本跟韓國還要追、追平以色列啊,我們的希望在2027年、2028年能達到我們的GDP每一個人四萬美元這個雄心、這個壯志我很稱讚鼓勵,六八到五八"},{"start":500.902,"end":512.603,"text":"有沒有把握這個我們會來努力啦那基本上信心是很夠啦不是啦,未來努力給我們一個希望反正你把他打成這樣,要站起來啦那麼快"},{"start":518.813,"end":536.097,"text":"還有好幾個問題沒有問,敏感的問題你都突然站起來,時間很短,以後改進啦!業務報告時間要長一點啦!會議順暢要是我就10分鐘就要2分鐘欸我下次再考慮一下謝謝這個陳昌明委員精彩的質詢謝謝,請回座先請謝一鳳"}]},"會議時間":"2024-10-07T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"11:28:52 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