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校院人工智慧學成聯盟當時推出的時候我還發文轉貼我說這個計畫利益良善希望能夠成效良好結果我們看到根據了解113學年度第一學期25所加入結果勒"},{"start":559.144,"end":574.513,"text":"本來希望開放5300個名額,現在根據教育部提供的資料只有2500名。我們有聽到您的回應,說只有2400名,到底為什麼存在這麼大的落差?"},{"start":575.7,"end":598.02,"text":"跟委員報告我們確實當時的規劃第一學期因為基於這個產業包括整合台灣的高教資源能夠支持我們新世代年輕人有更多的學習的一個機會因為終究這一個AI不是每一個學校都有所以當時初步推出來是2400位那我們目前來講"},{"start":599.221,"end":618.338,"text":"我們在未來3年我們希望他能夠再能夠達到有1萬的這個顯課的這個學生人數其實我們有一個責任就是要來協作啦其實這個表格小小有一點微妙的細節齁其實呢你說2400名但是你看齁自然語言處理"},{"start":619.159,"end":638.209,"text":"有一個學校最多人機器學習有一個學校最多人這都是那所學校本來的修課人數其實扣除本來學校的學生外校選課的學生其實只有新增1500名喔所以要達到5000還非常遙遠喔跨校的效應其實不如預期喔"},{"start":638.769,"end":654.474,"text":"能不能針對這種現象能不能考慮一下調整跨校宣傳的策略或本校類似的課程會不會引起排擠的效應相關的這樣子的一個狀況的盤點是不是能夠請部長來規劃一下那下個學期到底是5000是預計人數還是2500還是我們扣掉本校生變1500啊你們要不要評估一下"},{"start":664.697,"end":686.731,"text":"跟委員報告確實我們下學期因為這一學期因為有一些學校已經開學他整個學問的一個採集跟選課所以我們這一學期剛推出來我想這一個委員會非常感謝所有的這一個聯盟裡邊為了提供給這一個各大學的選友選課的選AI的機會那下學期我們會努力我們目標確實是設定5000"},{"start":688.812,"end":689.132,"text":"感謝葛如荊委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:29:57.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:30:01.619000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請教育部鄭英耀部長跟農業部杜次長。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-07T11:30:03.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:30:04.843000+08:00","text":"有請鄭部長跟杜次長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2024-10-07T11:30:05.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:30:05.184000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:30:11.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:30:26.187000+08:00","text":"感謝召委今天特別安排「班班有鮮奶」這個專題報告，不過今天這個專題報告的名稱可能真的要改成「班班保久奶」，剛剛都提過了，我還特地帶了這個保久奶過來，只不過沒有帶那個斑比小鹿─斑斑。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:30:27.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:30:38.332000+08:00","text":"我想這樣的一個混淆，真的會讓大家有點失望，尤其重點是我今天不只是委員，還是一個時空委員，可以說是時空旅人！","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:30:42.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:30:52.140000+08:00","text":"本席可能是最早提醒這件事情的人，因為我在7月11日的時候就已經提醒過教育部應該針對鮮奶的保存設備、冷鏈運輸進行盤點，當時張廖次長信誓旦旦的回復我說會在7月底以前將2,600所學校盤點一遍。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:31:03.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:31:10.210000+08:00","text":"當時說7月底各校盤點的結果應該要公開，請問部長盤點的結果如何，還是根本沒有做？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2024-10-07T11:31:10.210000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:31:11.210000+08:00","text":"我請彭署長說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:31:10.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:31:10.650000+08:00","text":"到底有沒有盤點，有還是沒有？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:31:10.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:31:11.010000+08:00","text":"現在都已經delay了，要不要盤點？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2024-10-07T11:31:27.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:31:36.812000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，整體學校在7月分提需求，到後來進行盤點的這個事情，都一直在跟農業部合作中，所以您今天問我跟星期五……","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:31:38.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:31:38.754000+08:00","text":"冷鏈配送。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2024-10-07T11:31:39.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:31:45.760000+08:00","text":"對，這些我們都在盤點，但因為買設備沒有那麼快，所以剛才有提到用保冷袋。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:31:46.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:31:48.423000+08:00","text":"所以7月底當時的盤點結果到底有沒有出來？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:31:48.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:31:49.023000+08:00","text":"現在新的盤點結果什麼時候會出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2024-10-07T11:31:54.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:31:58.994000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員所提到的7月盤點是需求，需求的部分……","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:31:58.994000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:31:59.994000+08:00","text":"所以不是盤點冷鏈的部分……","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2024-10-07T11:31:59.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:32:15.323000+08:00","text":"冷鏈的部分，本來就有十個縣市一直在運作，如果有冷鏈的新需求，尤其偏鄉地區，原來我們預期它的狀況比較不良；都會地區不選擇的原因，可能是行政的干擾，對於這樣的干擾，要怎麼來協助學校？","quality":0.362},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2024-10-07T11:32:15.323000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:32:20.872667+08:00","text":"因為已有十個縣市可採擇他們的經驗……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:32:20.872667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:32:26.422333+08:00","text":"所以現在的盤點是在盤點冷鏈，不是在盤點需求，確定嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:32:26.422333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:32:31.972000+08:00","text":"上次說是盤點冷鏈啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2024-10-07T11:32:31.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:32:40.979000+08:00","text":"剛剛在講的盤點是指需求的可能變化，這個變化因為涉及到背後的配套，包含冷鏈……","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:32:40.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:32:51.647000+08:00","text":"所以會不會你們其實根本就不關心冷鏈，因為調查結果，有75%都選擇保久乳，教育部到底要如何推進這個計畫，我們想要聽的是實話，我們想要聽的是你們具體的作法！","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:32:57.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:33:00.532000+08:00","text":"其實有幾個點，我們之前都提過了，冷鏈能不能？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:33:02.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:33:04.293000+08:00","text":"價格到底夠不夠？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:33:04.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:33:08.834000+08:00","text":"我們目前的這個價格可能也低於市價；還有自主性到底有沒有？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:33:09.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:33:12.635000+08:00","text":"沒有辦法喝鮮奶的同學，我們怎麼來處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:33:13.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:33:20.718000+08:00","text":"四年44億「班班有鮮奶」的政策，相關的預算到底能不能順利的執行完畢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:33:22.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:33:37.939000+08:00","text":"明年的預算我們就要來把關，希望教育部跟農業部儘快就相關的政策施行來進行檢討跟改善，千萬不要讓班班有鮮奶的政策變成政治口號，家長、老師、學生千萬不能三輸。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:33:39.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:33:48.183000+08:00","text":"該踩煞車或要修正的，可以提出來，希望我到時候不要又變成時空旅人，又來預言未來的發展。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:33:50.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:33:53.685000+08:00","text":"謝謝署長，農業部杜次長請回。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:33:54.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:01.147000+08:00","text":"接下來，我想跟教育部部長探討最巨大也最重要的AI人才問題。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:01.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:16.313000+08:00","text":"行政院9月5日通過五大信賴產業推動方案，其中五分之一大就是要打造臺灣成為全球AI影響力中心，具體目標包含四年內要培育20萬AI相關數位人才。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:17.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:23.817000+08:00","text":"但是民間對這個數字有非常多的疑問，請問教育部的具體作法是什麼？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:23.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:25.058000+08:00","text":"分年的目標如何訂定？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:25.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:26.558000+08:00","text":"每年培養多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:26.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:27.839000+08:00","text":"明年培養多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:28.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:32.901000+08:00","text":"因為這也跟你們的預算規劃有關，可不可以稍微回應一下，明年培育多少人？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:38.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:38.707000+08:00","text":"給我一個數字。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:39.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:44.013000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們現在有25校成立AI聯盟提供學程……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:44.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:45.655000+08:00","text":"這個部分，我待會問。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:45.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:51.523000+08:00","text":"我們希望每個學期大概有5,000，未來可以逐步增加到1萬……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:52.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:52.764000+08:00","text":"除了這個以外呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:53.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:55.267000+08:00","text":"這個部分，我待會兒不小心就會戳破了。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:55.267000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:56.267000+08:00","text":"來，繼續！","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:56.267000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:57.267000+08:00","text":"有關於20萬人的部分，經濟部這樣的一個評估，是就整個產業的評估……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:57.267000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:58.267000+08:00","text":"那是經濟部的數字。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:58.267000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:34:59.267000+08:00","text":"我們會配合經濟部就人才培育的部分……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:34:56.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:35:19.037000+08:00","text":"你現在又說經濟部；教育部常常說我們高教跟國科會都有關，你們是不是也要跟國科會討論人才培育？","quality":0.738},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2024-10-07T11:35:19.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:35:22.542000+08:00","text":"有關人才培育的部分，我們會跟國科會、經濟部……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:35:23.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:35:26.087000+08:00","text":"好啊，國科會那天又踢皮球，踢到國發會，有沒有要跟國發會討論？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2024-10-07T11:35:28.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:35:31.898000+08:00","text":"報告委員，其實整體的人才培育政策……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:35:31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Insider的報導，起薪已經超過30萬美金，所以我們攬才應該要有競爭力。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:38:12.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:38:21.089000+08:00","text":"請問部長相關的對策，能不能立刻針對玉山學者計畫的攬才條件，進行檢討跟調整？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:38:22.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:38:44.067000+08:00","text":"尤其是對大學AI資通訊相關科系延攬優秀人才的問題進行盤點，傾聽學校的意見，明年非常的重要而且關鍵，所以，我希望能夠在三個月內研議相關的結果，將書面提供給本席，讓我們能夠相對比照相關的總預算，可以嗎？可以。謝謝。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:38:44.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:39:00.117000+08:00","text":"剛剛還提到最近一個新聞，就是臺灣大專院校校院人工智慧學程聯盟，當時在推出的時候，我還發文轉貼，說這個計畫立意良善，希望成效能夠良好。","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:39:00.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:39:15.808000+08:00","text":"結果113學年度第一學期有25所加入，本來希望開放5,300個名額，但是根據教育部提供的資料，只有2,500名。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:39:17.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:39:21.431000+08:00","text":"我們聽到您的回應說，只有2,400名。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:39:22.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:39:24.493000+08:00","text":"為什麼會存在這麼大的落差？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2024-10-07T11:39:25.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:39:46.198000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們當時的規劃，第一學期基於這個產業，包括整合臺灣的高教資源，能夠支持我們新世代年輕人有更多的學習機會，因為AI終究不是每一個學校都有，所以當時初步推出來是2,400位。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2024-10-07T11:39:47.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:39:56.648000+08:00","text":"就目前來講，我們在未來三年，我們希望能夠達到有一萬名選課學生的人數。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:39:56.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:39:58.409000+08:00","text":"其實我們有一個責任，就是要來協作。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:39:58.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:40:15.943000+08:00","text":"其實這個表格有一點微妙的細節，其實你說2,400名，但是你看，自然語言處理有一個學校最多人，機器學習有一個學校最多人，這都是那所學校本來的修課人數。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:40:16.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:40:27.949000+08:00","text":"扣除本來學校的學生、外校選課的學生，其實只有新增1,500，所以要達到5,000，還非常遙遠，跨校的效應其實不如預期。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:40:28.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:40:38.912000+08:00","text":"能不能針對這種現象，考慮一下調整跨校宣傳的策略，或本校類似的課程會不會引起排擠的效應？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:40:40.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:40:41.733000+08:00","text":"這樣子相關狀況的盤點，是不是能夠請部長來規劃一下？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:40:41.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:40:43.114000+08:00","text":"下個學期預計人數到底是5,000還是2,500？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:40:43.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:40:43.614000+08:00","text":"還是扣掉本校生變成1,500？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:40:43.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:40:44.454000+08:00","text":"你們要不要評估一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2024-10-07T11:40:54.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:41:16.711000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為這學期有一些學校已經開學，但整個學分的採計跟選課在這一學期才剛推出來，我也要非常感謝所有聯盟為了提供給各大學學生有選AI課程的機會，下學期我們會努力，我們的目標確實是設定5,000，那委員……","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:41:16.711000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:41:17.711000+08:00","text":"還是5,000嘛？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2024-10-07T11:41:17.711000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:41:18.711000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，我現在是時空旅人，我不跟你糾纏，但是我們還是肯定教育部在培育AI人才方面可以跨出這一步，希望這個聯盟能夠成長茁壯，要重視真實的數字，一起來努力，好嗎？是。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2024-10-07T11:41:18.711000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:41:19.711000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-07T11:41:18.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-07T11:41:19.132000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝葛如鈞委員。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-07T11:41:19.632000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:41:20.774857+08:00","text":"部長請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-07T11:41:21.074857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-07T11:41:24.503429+08:00","text":"接下來我們有請郭昱晴委員。","quality":0}]},"會議時間":"2024-10-07T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"11:29:50 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