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謝謝左院長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:18:58.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:19:01.035000+08:00","text":"主席，我請卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-08T11:19:01.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:19:02.216000+08:00","text":"請卓院長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T11:19:02.216000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:19:03.216000+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:19:02.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:19:03.137000+08:00","text":"卓院長好，辛苦了！不會。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:19:18.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:19:29.360000+08:00","text":"我們隔了三個多月，我知道這三個多月你應該也對我們行政院的院務是策勵許多。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T11:19:30.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:19:30.901000+08:00","text":"努力中、努力中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:19:33.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:19:47.145000+08:00","text":"我在開場之前，我一樣先送你一項禮物，對你做一些期許，我要送你一個認識臺灣、我們臺灣的拼圖，我希望你能夠以大愛、大公無私的精神，把我們全國、全臺灣22縣市拼在一起，我們應該團結、和諧、互助、互愛。","quality":0.39},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:19:47.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:21:12.420000+08:00","text":"古書上面老子有一句話：大方無隅，真正大的形狀是沒有角落的，也就是說，我們看待我們自己國家，我們不能讓我們國家有任何陰暗的角落，最高的政治道德就是應該為我們2,300萬人民，不分藍、綠、白，不分他的信仰，我們要團結在一起，這就是你身為最高行政首長最首要的任務，所以我送這個圖案的意義就是期勉你要忍辱負重、任重道遠。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:21:50.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:22:24.383000+08:00","text":"院長，我們這幾天看到的，不管是電視、廣播、網路，最大的一項我們政府的宣傳，現在我們集中在打詐四法通過了，我們要一致的打詐，可是我看到的成績，我實在是很不客氣的講，政府打詐越打越詐。天啊！","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:22:25.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:23:10.564000+08:00","text":"我們前（111）年是2萬9,000件的詐欺件數，財產損失73億，院長，去年高達3萬8,000件，已經增高到88億元，今年更慘，今年尤其是我們宣告了好不容易7月份通過了打詐專法，結果打詐專法通過以後，這些詐騙集團集體的向我們政府公權力挑釁、宣戰！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:23:12.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:23:33.400000+08:00","text":"今年7月打詐專法通過以後，今年7月光是詐騙金額高達110億，不打緊，8月更高，又提升27億，達到137億，天啊！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:23:36.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:23:59.923000+08:00","text":"光是今年7月一個月就抵去年一整年，當然也贏過前年一整年，8月更是給我們政府重重一擊，不打緊，又更加強火力，達到137億。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:23:59.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:23:59.923000+08:00","text":"院長，這個……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T11:23:59.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:24:16.971000+08:00","text":"委員，我說明一下，我不敢否認打詐的事件還是很多，但是數字的差距是我們在計算呈現出來的標準是不一樣的，這個部分劉部長在先前的答詢也答詢過，我請劉部長再說明一次。好。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2024-10-08T11:24:18.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:24:35.657000+08:00","text":"委員，跟你報告一下，我們以前在算打詐的案子把它當成刑案，譬如說現在在打詐，可能有一群人、十幾二十個人的話是算一個案，但是現在我們在院長的指示之下不能夠用這樣的方式，只要一案一個人就算一個案，一案十個人就算十個案……","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:24:36.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:24:38.698000+08:00","text":"那金額怎麼講？對、對……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2024-10-08T11:24:38.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:24:39.658000+08:00","text":"但是金額的部分……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:24:39.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:24:48.440000+08:00","text":"案數增加我知道，我認為這就像火災一樣，你們把認定的標準又放更高，這個是好、這個是對。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2024-10-08T11:24:48.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:25:06.164000+08:00","text":"另外在165報進來的時候，報案人他的主觀上認定損失多少金額，我們就把它列進去，這就是為什麼每天打詐儀錶板都可以定時公布打詐的案數跟打詐的財損數，但是真正的部分要等我們變成全般刑案的時候再做。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:25:06.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:25:18.302000+08:00","text":"院長、部長，我講到打詐儀錶板、我講到165、我講到這個，我就想到數發部，這個數發部我簡單5個字──飯桶數發部！","quality":0.705},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:25:18.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:25:30.969000+08:00","text":"我不曉得它在幹什麼，打詐的事情完全落到警政署的手上，人家警政署至少有做點事，你剛剛講的165就是警政署做的。是。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:25:31.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:25:33.290000+08:00","text":"院長，你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:25:33.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:26:01.158000+08:00","text":"警政署布置這個165app防詐專網，人家只花1,000萬，前幾天數位部搞了半天，千呼萬喚始出來，它搞一個app花6,000萬不打緊，那個6,000萬的app，大家可以去看，你現在上網馬上看，看它上面的評語是怎麼樣？","quality":0.807},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:26:01.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:26:13.622000+08:00","text":"花6,000萬，結果下面臭罵連連，滿意分數5分來講，它只有2.8分，然後現在數發部做不了任何事情，它每年增加預算，光這一點，部長，你先等一下，我先問一下院長，對數發部你要怎麼處理？","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:26:13.622000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:26:14.995000+08:00","text":"你覺得它們這樣做對嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T11:26:14.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:26:15.195000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員提醒。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T11:26:29.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:26:56.412000+08:00","text":"它本來要設立一個平台，讓所有收到這種錯誤訊息的人可以在平台上去查詢，這個在國內是創舉，我也請它參考國外的案例、國外的機制有沒有，它也說國外是沒有這樣這麼完全的一個機制，所以它現在在嘗試作業當中，現在已經把這個平台上網的時間延後到年底了，希望再做改善。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:26:56.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:26:58.313000+08:00","text":"我今天題外話講它，為什麼？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:26:58.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:26:59.193000+08:00","text":"因為它實在太飯桶！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:27:01.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:27:17.063000+08:00","text":"明年的預算87億，比今年增加21%，這也就算了，那個app你待會去看，5天前上線，這5天來負評如潮，它的負評大概是哪一些？","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:27:19.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:27:39.193000+08:00","text":"人家說找不到通報功能、說介面差、說使用中國的用語，中共那邊的用語──優化，都在用中共那邊的用語；再來，通知後沒有結果──這是最糟糕。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:27:39.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:27:49.777000+08:00","text":"你看看人家警政署的165，至少那個165的功能，院長，你看一下畫面上165的功能，這麼多！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:27:51.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:27:59.257000+08:00","text":"這麼多花1,000萬，而這個飯桶數位部花了6倍的錢，下面負評如潮！","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:27:59.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:28:04.739000+08:00","text":"所以，院長，我希望你今天就下令它乾脆撤掉算了！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T11:28:04.739000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:28:05.739000+08:00","text":"它已經重新再……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:28:05.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:28:08.940000+08:00","text":"我們全民就當作這些錢丟到水裡面，噗通一聲！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T11:28:08.940000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:28:09.940000+08:00","text":"委員，抱歉，數發部已經在重新檢討，這個平台會往後延，希望再做裡面的改善。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:28:09.940000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:28:10.940000+08:00","text":"會往後延喔？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T11:28:10.940000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:28:11.940000+08:00","text":"我們在初期看的時候也提出相關的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:28:11.940000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:28:12.940000+08:00","text":"我看它延了就不要出來了啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:28:12.940000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:28:13.940000+08:00","text":"不要在那邊丟臉！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:28:13.940000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:28:14.940000+08:00","text":"一群飯桶啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T11:28:14.940000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:28:15.940000+08:00","text":"我會嚴格的去檢視，未來的功能要呈現出來才讓它上架。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:28:15.940000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:28:16.940000+08:00","text":"它還多可惡的有哪一點？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:28:12.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:28:50.533000+08:00","text":"在負責跟國外這些網路平台──FB、Google、LINE，所有這些聯繫是由數發部，它老兄一點能力都沒有，什麼都沒幹！","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:28:53.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:29:06.196000+08:00","text":"事實上，我們有很多可以用的，比方說，我們跟台日交流協會有一個司法合作備忘錄，它可以好好運用啊！它不！","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:29:07.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:29:18.459000+08:00","text":"我們跟美國也有台美互助，台美司法互助已經有20年的歷史了，它不懂，它可以好好問警政署啊！","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:29:19.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:29:20.300000+08:00","text":"好好談一談！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:29:20.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:29:25.477000+08:00","text":"所以我在想，時間到了，不用給它機會啦！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:29:27.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:29:40.146000+08:00","text":"要不然就直接交由內政部警政署，直接藉由台美司法互助、藉由台日之間的交流、司法的合作，這有簽合作備忘錄啊！","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:29:40.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:29:51.488000+08:00","text":"我們趕緊跟他們來談，像這樣重大的詐騙案，如何讓LINE、讓Google、讓Facebook他們願意交付，喔！太多！","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:29:52.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:29:54.768000+08:00","text":"現在還設置了這些平台，什麼Godaddy、Namesilo等等，一堆啦，他們現在都完全不搭理我們！","quality":0.318},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:29:54.768000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:30:12.543500+08:00","text":"數位部在聯絡上不但沒有達到任何結果，也沒有跟我們院內其他部會互相研究，統統沒有！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T11:30:12.543500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:30:30.319000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個平台如果達不到原來規劃以及報告的那個功能，可以很便民、讓人民能夠便利的而且很安全地使用，絕對不會輕易地上路。對！很好！","quality":0.136},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:30:30.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:30:30.520000+08:00","text":"有這一句答復，我覺得很夠！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:31:01.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:31:09.333000+08:00","text":"好，對於我們的警察，我用三句話來形容：勞苦功高、出生入死、薪水過低！","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:31:11.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:31:12.674000+08:00","text":"院長、部長，你們知道嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:31:12.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:31:24.641000+08:00","text":"今年光是到前天的統計，我們已經有8位警察自殺身亡。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:31:26.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:31:37.701000+08:00","text":"不包括這8位，這5年來，我們有51件警察自殺的通報，其中有31位不幸身亡。","quality":0.63},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:31:39.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:31:50.043000+08:00","text":"我們查過，在這些不幸身亡的警察裡面，只有6位曾經接受過署裡面提供的心理諮商。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:31:50.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:31:53.847000+08:00","text":"也就是說，我們那個心理諮商的覆蓋率太低了。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2024-10-08T11:31:54.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:31:57.450000+08:00","text":"是，我們在努力改善、檢討當中。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:31:57.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:32:00.894000+08:00","text":"我覺得這跟待遇非常有關。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:32:01.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:32:02.376000+08:00","text":"你們知道嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:32:02.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:32:16.109000+08:00","text":"院長、部長，現在速食店大夜班的員工新進人員起薪4萬1，我們做了5年的警察平均薪水是5萬2！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:32:18.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:32:22.772000+08:00","text":"好啦，現在警察招生廣告說有啦，警察薪水有6萬。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:32:22.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:32:29.415000+08:00","text":"但那是含其他，比方說首都有都會加給，還有含加班費等等的。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:32:30.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:32:34.297000+08:00","text":"所以我總而言之，一句話，這個結果會導致什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:32:34.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:32:38.559000+08:00","text":"導致我們現在的警察人數嚴重不足！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:32:39.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:32:47.982000+08:00","text":"到去年底，全國總共缺了5,000位警察，所以院長、部長，這一點我們要積極下去做，好不好？是。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:32:49.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:33:08.808000+08:00","text":"我最後一個問題是，昨天凌晨社子島又發生一場火災，那場火災還不算大型的喔，結果燒死一位民眾，有五位嗆傷，那個慘況！","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:33:08.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:33:24.820000+08:00","text":"如果院長、部長稍微看了這個報導，就曉得社子島已經夠慘了，在那邊容留的租戶都還是透過社會局媒介過來的社會最底層的人，付出三、五千塊，五、六千塊這樣子的租金。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:33:25.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:33:32.024000+08:00","text":"所以院長、部長，我要說的就是，我們要趕快積極開發社子島！是。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:33:34.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:33:56.215000+08:00","text":"社子島在臺北市政府尋求各方專家、民眾的意見之後，這個案子就是低密度的生態社子島開發，院長，我也獲得部長的首肯，部長也為了這個案子主動拜訪了蔣萬安市長……對。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:33:56.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:34:15.538000+08:00","text":"我認為這是我們在朝、在野合作的一個很好的案子，開發社子島不僅還給社子島民眾一個公道，同時也會帶動周邊社子（葫蘆）島、南港地區的發展，所以這個事情是迫在眉睫，應該立刻開發，好不好？是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T11:34:15.538000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:34:17.604667+08:00","text":"我們一起來努力，這也是我曾經的選區，我們共同來關心！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:34:17.604667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:34:19.671333+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員世堅","start":"2024-10-08T11:34:19.671333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:34:21.738000+08:00","text":"我們下一次總質詢見！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-08T11:34:21.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T11:34:22.779000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝王委員、謝謝卓院長。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-08T11:34:23.279000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T11:34:26.707571+08:00","text":"下一位請高金素梅委員質詢。","quality":0}]},"會議時間":"2024-10-08T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"11:18:27 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