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中央應確立主管機關到這個主管機關怎麼樣的重要呢因為是澈澈公園的主管機關他要來跟衛福部教育部內政部主計總處各單位來成立跨部會的專責"},{"start":478.231,"end":507.389,"text":"院長您願不願意來認定兒童遊戲空間的國家總體目標如果我們行政院真的面對少子化當中我們也願意把兒童遊戲空間當作國家總體目標預算計劃我們通通就要出來了而且也要列為國家重點施政方向這是第一個等一下請院長來回應第二個我們除了室外之外室內也應該設置親子遊樂空間而且要結合右腳"},{"start":508.029,"end":508.089,"text":"委員．林岱樺"},{"start":524.892,"end":540.328,"text":"運動中心﹚立體停車場﹚休閒校舍﹚活動中心﹚辦公大樓﹚輔導地方政府多目標的使用﹚讓促餐的業者融積獎勵﹚讓他們願意回饋公共特色遊樂場﹚室內親子館的相關設施﹚擴大兒童遊戲場域"},{"start":546.033,"end":560.098,"text":"針對室內的部分以及相關我們的公共建設願不願有這樣的一個獎勵第三個油具國產化跟公園特色化我們要讓罐頭油具不腐爛國產油具帶動智慧製造"},{"start":561.938,"end":567.32,"text":"智慧製造的特色就是少量多養所以請產業發展署將郵據國產化視為產業轉型的重點主責輔導國內的金屬構建房部塑膠地電建築景觀等產業"},{"start":578.005,"end":604.751,"text":"發展特色遊戲場的解決方案提供國內多樣客製化的選擇降低進口的依賴同時帶動我們產業製造脈絡智慧化高質化協助公園結合地方特色提升兒童權益這三項我們一一來看院長您要怎麼樣的來承諾中央對於特色主管機關的部會是哪一個"},{"start":607.577,"end":611.12,"text":"社區裡面的公園或是校園裡的或是公園裡的"},{"start":612.452,"end":639.641,"text":"他現在都是由他的場域所在地的目的事業主管機關那如果要把它統一一個地方效率是不是會更高呢在公園裡面的如果要衛福來管在學校裡面的值得考慮我們可以來考量這個事情是如何產生一個更高的效率同時就有很多是地方政府去維護"},{"start":641.614,"end":643.996,"text":"特色公園不應該納入國家總體目標不應該納為國家重點的施施方向"},{"start":657.122,"end":674.538,"text":"為了小孩子能夠有一個好的環境 院長您可以把這個問題帶回去 到你不需要在現在就馬上否決 因為你這是矛盾 我說我們來想一個更高效率的方式 至少你要回應本席 你要交給哪一個人或哪一個單位先來做研議"},{"start":676.068,"end":698.437,"text":"還是要內政部跟教育部跟衛福部分別來討論一個就好哪一個一個就好那我請政委來負責好不好哪一個政委如果這樣我請陳時中政委來負責好陳時中陳政委好謝謝好第二個我們在這個室外的兒童遊戲場域之外有室內的部分您認不認同如果你認同在陳時中政委他的"},{"start":699.117,"end":712.441,"text":"這樣的一個協調這個評估的當中他就會納入包括我的各個公共建設我如果有促成的隆基獎勵讓他能讓業者來回饋公共特色的遊戲場包括室內的遊戲場你的看法"},{"start":716.002,"end":717.183,"text":"是內政部來討論融資獎勵要放在什麼樣的標準"},{"start":731.289,"end":737.591,"text":"當然可以,我請內政部來評估,容積獎勵這個事情這個問題還是要內政部先來評估,我們再送交政委來討論好了"},{"start":758.703,"end":783.18,"text":"所以你這個是可以分開執行是嗎是只要內政部就可以來針對這個促餐的部分就可以先來評估是嗎我想我這一件部分這個部分我可以請內政部來評估怎麼樣跟這個隆基獎勵等等那這樣的話是不是一個月內就可以給本席這樣的回應了好我請謝謝好第三個我們郵寄國產化公園特色化"},{"start":783.86,"end":785.301,"text":"經濟部的產發署就是在協助國內廠商你願不願意將主責這樣一個新增的業務給經濟部產發署呢"},{"start":813.872,"end":824.427,"text":"謝謝院長你很明確的願意將我們的特色公園在很清楚的明確回應本席包括我們的國產化包括我們室內的增加透過容積獎"},{"start":825.288,"end":854.117,"text":"透過相關的容積獎率的評估也願意在主責當中先做評估由我們陳時中政委好謝謝院長你很明確的對我們兒童權益的重視也願意把它當作國家總體目標這件事情我想要再問一次院長你認不認為兒童遊戲空間是國家的總體目標這是第一個兒童遊戲空間應不應該納為國家重點施政請回答這兩個問題"},{"start":855.925,"end":868.541,"text":"兒童遊戲空間是國家可以發展的重要的政策之一這個我當然同意您願不願意把兒童遊戲空間的預算計畫演練為國家重點施政呢我們會在"},{"start":870.845,"end":894.658,"text":"施政的過程當中會把他納進去整個施政當中的一環因為這是新生項目 院長其實這是過往我們政府沒有特別去重視所以希望在卓院長11頂林岱這個就是我們對於全台然後人民的所有的下一代他的遊戲權我們在卓院長的內閣當中很明確的一個施政的一個重點亮點好 謝謝院長謝謝 謝謝 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導。","quality":0.832},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:23:44.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:23:59.269000+08:00","text":"我們再來看看空間不足當中講的罐頭遊具充斥各公園，雖然安全，但是特色不足，不好玩的公園就如同閒置的公共設施。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:24:00.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:24:21.875000+08:00","text":"第一個，全國一窩蜂的蓋特色公園，引進大同小異的國外遊具，如鳥槽式鞦韆、搖搖馬，出現了罐頭遊具2.0，感覺就是同一本廠商目錄挑出來的，並不能像國外結合在地景觀跟人文特色，發展鄉鎮特色的遊戲場。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:24:21.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:24:30.337000+08:00","text":"第二個，因為我們太過度於依賴國外進口遊具，要維修的時候就必須等待國外的零件，缺乏國內產業鏈的連結。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:24:33.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:25:10.650000+08:00","text":"第三個困境，我們的數量不足，好玩的公園是人潮洶湧；不好玩的公園是乏人問津，所以身為爸爸媽媽的，現在是跨縣市為孩子找尋特色公園，也印證了供需失衡，譬如屏東車城洋蔥大福遊樂場，高雄時代公園遊樂場，臺南港濱歷史公園遊樂場，都是地方政府千萬級打造的，但後續維護費用非常高昂，導致地方政府無法再興建新的同等級遊樂場。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:25:13.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:25:29.085000+08:00","text":"再講到身心障礙者，選項更少了，輪椅族能玩的設施是不多的，即使公園採用共融式設計，但只要一走出遊樂場，周遭的無障礙設施並未見改善，那麼興建公園的美意就會減半。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:25:29.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:25:39.093000+08:00","text":"所以本席主張應該逐年檢討各公園遊戲場的共融設施，讓所有人可以一起玩。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:25:39.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:25:42.156000+08:00","text":"具體建議有三，請院長明確答復。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:25:42.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:25:47.901000+08:00","text":"第一個，中央應確立主管機關，為何主管機關重要呢？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:25:48.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:26:04.975000+08:00","text":"因為特色公園的主管機關要跟衛福部、教育部、內政部、主計總處等各單位成立跨部會的專責單位，院長，您願不願意認定兒童遊戲空間為國家總體目標？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:26:04.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:26:21.484000+08:00","text":"如果行政院真的願意面對少子化問題，也願意把兒童遊戲空間當作國家總體目標，如此預算、計畫就通通要出來，也要列為國家重點施政方向，這是第一個，等一下請院長來回應。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:26:21.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:26:27.708000+08:00","text":"第二個，除了室外之外，室內也應該設置親子遊樂空間，結合幼教、托育、諮商、輔導，提供友善親子免曝曬的環境。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:26:45.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:27:01.308000+08:00","text":"所以要請中央政府在各項公共建設，如果這是國家重大建設的話，那麼應該在藝文場館、運動中心、立體停車場、閒置校舍、活動中心、辦公大樓，輔導地方政府多目標使用，給促參業者容積獎勵，讓他們願意回饋公共特色遊樂場、室內親子館的相關設施，擴大兒童遊戲場域。","quality":0.633},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:27:07.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:27:11.575000+08:00","text":"針對室內部分以及相關公共建設，願不願有這樣的獎勵？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:27:11.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:27:14.716000+08:00","text":"第三個，遊具國產化跟公園特色化。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:27:15.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:27:21.078000+08:00","text":"我們要讓罐頭遊具不浮濫，讓國產遊具來帶動智慧製造。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:27:22.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:27:55.469000+08:00","text":"所謂智慧製造的特色就是少量多樣，所以請產業發展署將遊具國產化視為產業轉型重點，主責輔導國內的金屬扣件、帆布、塑膠、地墊、建築、景觀等產業，發展特色遊戲場的解決方案，提供國內多樣客製化選擇，降低對進口的依賴，同時帶動產業製造，邁入智慧化、高質化，協助公園結合地方特色，提升兒童權益。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:27:56.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:02.710000+08:00","text":"這三項我們一一來看，院長，您要怎麼承諾？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:02.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:05.751000+08:00","text":"中央主管特色公園的部會是哪一個？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:08.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:19.294000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，社區裡的公園或校園裡的或公園裡的，現在都是由場域所在地的目的事業主管機關……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:19.294000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:20.294000+08:00","text":"我剛才都有做報告了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:19.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:22.715000+08:00","text":"如果要把它統一在一個地方……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:22.715000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:23.715000+08:00","text":"在中央當中要不要把特色公園當作……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:23.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:25.036000+08:00","text":"效率是不是會更高呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:25.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:29.457000+08:00","text":"如果在公園裡的要衛福部來管，在學校裡面的如果要……","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:29.457000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:32.258000+08:00","text":"院長，剛才可能我的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:32.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:37.860000+08:00","text":"值得考慮、值得考慮，我們可以來考量這個事情，看如何產生更好、更高的效率。","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:37.860000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:42.614000+08:00","text":"不過由地方政府去維護的公園、場所也很多，所以有的該從地方自治事項去做，有的中央的目的事業機關可以去做……","quality":0.149},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:42.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:43.895000+08:00","text":"所以你認為特色公園不應該納入國家總體目標？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:43.895000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:44.895000+08:00","text":"不是不應該，而是……","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:43.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:44.976000+08:00","text":"不應該納為國家重點施政方向？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:58.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:28:59.583000+08:00","text":"為了小孩子能有一個好的環境……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:28:59.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:01.285000+08:00","text":"院長，您可以把這個問題帶回去。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:02.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:05.249000+08:00","text":"你不需要現在就馬上否決，因為這是矛盾的……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:05.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:08.211000+08:00","text":"我沒有否決，我是說我們來想一個更高效率的方式……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:08.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:15.538000+08:00","text":"至少你要回應本席，要交給哪一個人或哪一個單位先研議？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:17.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:19.729000+08:00","text":"我想還是要由內政部跟教育部、衛福部分別來討論。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:19.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:21.410000+08:00","text":"一個就好，哪一個？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:21.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:21.590000+08:00","text":"一個就好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:21.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:23.050000+08:00","text":"我請政委來負責，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:23.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:24.191000+08:00","text":"哪一個政委？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:25.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:26.592000+08:00","text":"如果這樣我請陳時中政委來負責。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:26.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:29.253000+08:00","text":"好，陳時中政委，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:30.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:36.976000+08:00","text":"其次，在室外的兒童遊戲場域外還有室內部分，這點您認不認同？","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:37.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:53.421000+08:00","text":"如果你認同陳時中政委的協調與評估就會納入，包括各公共建設如果有促參容積獎勵，讓業者來回饋公共特色的遊戲場，包括室內的遊戲場，您的看法為何？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:57.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:29:58.163000+08:00","text":"室內的部分牽扯到容積獎勵的問題，就不是剛剛的問題可以涵蓋的了，這個需要內政部來討論，容積獎勵要放在什麼樣的標準要討論。","quality":0.327},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:29:58.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:30:12.289000+08:00","text":"所以我才說這個要不要納入國家總體目標，如果是總體目標，這個就會是我要擴增，但政府不用花太多的預算，可是卻能夠在公共建設導入的時候就可以拿到我的公共設施，這就是本席希望的，在減少政府的負擔之下，您願不願意也納入評估呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:30:12.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:30:14.830000+08:00","text":"當然可以，我請內政部來評估容積獎勵這個事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:30:14.830000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:30:15.830000+08:00","text":"也是由陳時中政委來評估嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:30:15.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:30:18.571000+08:00","text":"我想這個問題還是要內政部先來評估，我們再送交政委來討論好了。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:30:39.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:30:42.485000+08:00","text":"所以這個是可以分開執行，是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:30:42.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:30:49.410000+08:00","text":"現在只要內政部就可以針對促參的部分來評估，是嗎？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:30:49.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:30:55.834000+08:00","text":"我想就這個部分，我可以請內政部來評估怎麼樣跟容積獎勵等等……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:30:56.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:30:58.756000+08:00","text":"這樣的話，是不是一個月內就可以給本席回應呢？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:30:59.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:31:00.617000+08:00","text":"好，我請劉部長來處理。謝謝。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:31:00.617000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:31:04.860000+08:00","text":"第三個是我們的遊具國產化、公園特色化，是不是請產發署將遊具國產化視為產業轉型的重點，而且我們說到智慧化、高質化，我們說要AI製造，這就是標準的AI製造，小量、多樣，結合特色公園。","quality":0.165},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:31:04.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:31:05.320000+08:00","text":"是的，經濟部的產發署就是在協助國內廠商升級。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:31:05.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:31:06.281000+08:00","text":"你願不願意將主責這樣一個新增的業務給經濟部產發署呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:31:06.281000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:31:34.872000+08:00","text":"可以的，因為產發署本身就是從事這樣的業務。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:31:34.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:32:00.632000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長，你很明確的願意針對我們的特色公園很清楚明確的回應本席，包括我們的遊具國產化，包括我們室內部分的增加是透過相關容積獎勵的評估，也願意在主責當中先做評估，由我們陳時中政委，好，謝謝院長很明確的表示對我們兒童權益的重視，也願意把它當作國家總體目標。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:32:00.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:32:09.555000+08:00","text":"這件事我想要再問一次，院長，你認不認為兒童遊戲空間是國家的總體目標？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:32:09.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:32:10.835000+08:00","text":"這是第一個。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:32:10.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:32:14.577000+08:00","text":"兒童遊戲空間應不應該納為國家重點施政？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:32:14.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:32:15.117000+08:00","text":"請回答這兩個問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:32:16.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:32:22.672000+08:00","text":"兒童遊戲空間是國家可以發展的重要政策之一，這個我當然同意，對。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:32:23.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:32:28.239000+08:00","text":"是，您願不願意把兒童遊戲空間的預算及計畫也列為國家重點施政呢？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:32:29.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:32:35.827000+08:00","text":"我們會在施政的過程當中把它納進去作為整個施政當中的一環。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:32:35.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:32:42.711000+08:00","text":"因為這是新增項目，院長，其實這是過往我們政府沒有特別去重視的，所以希望在卓院長的……","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:32:42.711000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:32:44.092000+08:00","text":"是，我們會把它納入施政考量。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:32:44.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:32:55.258000+08:00","text":"這個就是我們對於全臺灣人民所有下一代的遊戲權，我們在卓院長的內閣當中很明確的一個施政重點、亮點。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2024-10-08T15:32:55.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:32:55.638000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2024-10-08T15:32:55.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-08T15:32:55.638000+08:00","text":"謝謝，謝謝委員。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-08T15:32:56.138000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:33:01.280857+08:00","text":"謝謝林岱樺委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長的備詢。","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-08T15:33:01.580857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:33:13.580857+08:00","text":"報告院會，內政組之質詢已詢答完畢，我們現在休息10分鐘，休息之後進行外交及國防組之質詢，現在休息。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-08T15:33:13.880857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:33:15.023714+08:00","text":"休息（15時33分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-08T15:33:15.323714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-08T15:33:17.038000+08:00","text":"繼續開會（15時43分）","quality":0}]},"會議時間":"2024-10-08T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"15:18:01 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