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不是浪費公帑所以你覺得卓院長是口誤是不是應該是 因為不是說還是說這是你私下跟他講好的 覺得這也是浪費公帑不是不是 就說是一下子變到從3萬一下子到6萬不是浪費公帑 就說這個是不是一下子進得太"},{"start":569.578,"end":595.783,"text":"太多了太快了這樣子在最後一個問題請教星期五大家都知道新聞有講要吃和解飯那請問一下就人民會的立場你們現在退回後有沒有準備要重編這個禁法補償的這個預算你們有沒有再準備了不然禮拜五吃飯要談什麼因為我們可以視狀況這基金的部分來看怎麼樣來做所以說你是不是可以你現在這邊可不可以提供你現在想的解決方案"},{"start":596.618,"end":624.91,"text":"我現在只能說就是我們已經有編到4萬那至於怎麼樣那基金這邊是狀況所以你現在沒有任何的想法沒有任何的解決方案嗎是現在是就有一個沒有任何解決方案公務跟基金公務跟基金一起來看怎麼樣來用但是我現在就是預算是編到4萬嘛那基金是是狀況可是法令三讀通過是編到6萬所以你還是堅持現在的預算的編列不打算任何的調整也不打算溝通基金是狀況嘛"},{"start":625.93,"end":626.851,"text":"二、邀請客家委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:53:55.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:53:56.751000+08:00","text":"主席、各位委員、各位官員，大家早安。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:53:57.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:53:58.113000+08:00","text":"是不是有請古主委？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-09T09:53:58.113000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-09T09:53:59.113000+08:00","text":"請古主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:53:58.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:53:59.995000+08:00","text":"古主委好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-10-09T09:54:00.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:54:08.105000+08:00","text":"張委員好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:54:09.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:54:35.192000+08:00","text":"上次我們見面是在新北市的義民祭，主委有特別到新北市來關心所有客家的族群，本席在這邊先對你表示感謝；最近您來立法院也很勤，特別是來跟所有委員分享一下，就是你們客家委員會，尤其是新的、114年度整體的預算有先來說明，本席在這邊對你致上敬意。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-10-09T09:54:35.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:54:37.574000+08:00","text":"感謝委員，這是我應該要做的。","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:54:39.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:54:55.969000+08:00","text":"接下來本席要來請教主委，第一個，現在客委會有一個叫做客家文化重點發展區，客家文化重點發展區是根據客家基本法第六條規定，當客家人口到達三分之一以上時，會列為客家文化重點發展區。","quality":0.691},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:54:56.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:55:25.449000+08:00","text":"根據本席所得到的資料，全國在110年有70個鄉鎮列被為客家文化發展區，可是本席也看到客委會在網站及一些媒體上有特別排名，全臺灣客家人最愛設籍的區域排行前10名。","quality":0.377},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:55:27.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:55:46.002000+08:00","text":"本席要在這裡跟主委報告的是，在排名前20名的部分中有10名打勾，這10個打勾的區域其人口並沒有到達三分之一，但它的人數是多的，這類鄉鎮已經占了二分之一的比例，在前20名中有10個非客家文化重點發展區，人數高達75萬4,800人。","quality":0.582},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:55:46.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:56:23.260000+08:00","text":"第一個問題要請教主委，現在所認定的重點發展區，只以人數占該鄉鎮區的比例來計算，卻不是以人數多寡為主，好照顧到更多的客家族群，這部分想請教主委，未來在標準上有沒有機會調整？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:56:23.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:56:25.342000+08:00","text":"特別是以人數調整？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-10-09T09:56:26.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:56:26.438000+08:00","text":"感謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-10-09T09:56:26.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:56:29.703000+08:00","text":"重點發展區是指所有的傳統客庄區域，因為比較集中，所以作為重點發展區。","quality":0.387},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-10-09T09:56:30.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:56:47.495000+08:00","text":"委員說的沒錯，現在客家人搬到非客庄的人比較多，但它是分散的，這叫都市客家、分散的客家。","quality":0.474},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-10-09T09:56:47.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:56:49.876000+08:00","text":"針對分散的客家，目前為止還沒辦法定義它是不是客庄，目前尚沒有辦法。","quality":0.567},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-10-09T09:56:49.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:57:06.488000+08:00","text":"但在政策上對非居住在客庄的客家人，我們要思考政策該如何下達到這邊。","quality":0.387},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-10-09T09:57:07.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:57:08.369000+08:00","text":"沒錯，這部分有很多人，我們注意到了。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-10-09T09:57:08.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:57:10.429000+08:00","text":"目前我們所使用的方法是透過學校、社團讓這些客家鄉親聚在一起，做語言文化的活動也好，傳承也好，這是第一點。","quality":0.596},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2024-10-09T09:57:10.429000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-09T09:57:32.854000+08:00","text":"第二點，在這個地圖上……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:57:32.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:57:35.095000+08:00","text":"主委不好意思，接下來我要針對第二個問題請教。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:57:35.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:57:47.020000+08:00","text":"我大概理解您的說法，第一，以客家人聚集多的地方為主；第二，本席希望只要人數多就要考慮、多照顧。沒錯。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:57:47.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:58:00.166000+08:00","text":"我要問的第二個問題是，因為這是重點發展區，而主委剛剛有特別講到伯公照護站，但一定要是重點發展區才能設伯公照護站。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:58:02.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T09:58:10.610000+08:00","text":"像臺北市、新北市的人數都很多，比例可能到百分之二十幾，甚至將近百分之三十，只差一點就到百分之三十，却無法成為重點發展區。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T09:58:11.890000+08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.162000+08:00","text":"現在就有一個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T10:04:01.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T10:04:02.042000+08:00","text":"沒有任何解決方案？不是！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2024-10-09T10:04:04.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T10:04:11.266000+08:00","text":"要公務跟基金一起來看怎麼用，但現在預算已經編到4萬，且基金可以視狀況處理。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T10:04:12.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T10:04:18.629000+08:00","text":"三讀通過的法令是編到6萬，所以你仍堅持現在的預算編列，不打算做任何調整，也不打算溝通？","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2024-10-09T10:04:19.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-10-09T10:04:19.890000+08:00","text":"基金視狀況！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T10:04:20.390000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-09T10:04:21.818571+08:00","text":"視什麼狀況？","quality":0},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2024-10-09T10:04:22.118571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-09T10:04:32.404286+08:00","text":"就是看兩邊怎麼樣來談、怎麼樣來弄，其實我們已經編到4萬塊，至於基金則視狀況來調度。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T10:04:32.704286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-09T10:04:36.132857+08:00","text":"所以沒有任何新的解決方案？","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T10:04:36.432857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-09T10:04:42.718571+08:00","text":"從預算被退回以後，到現在都沒有新的解決方案？是、是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2024-10-09T10:04:43.018571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-09T10:04:44.447143+08:00","text":"好，以上，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-09T10:04:44.747143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-09T10:04:46.747143+08:00","text":"謝謝張智倫委員。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-10-09T10:04:47.047143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-10-09T10:04:49.618571+08:00","text":"接下來請李柏毅委員。","quality":0.222}]},"會議時間":"2024-10-09T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"09:53:55 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是否侵犯台灣其他語言併存地位？及修正「臺灣台語」政策進行專題報告，並備質詢。）","gazette":{"lineno":470,"blocks":[["張委員智倫：（9時53分）主席、各位委員、各位官員，大家早安。是不是有請古主委？"],["主席：請古主委。"],["張委員智倫：古主委好。"],["古主任委員秀妃：張委員好。"],["張委員智倫：上次我們見面是在新北市的義民祭，主委有特別到新北市來關心所有客家的族群，本席在這邊先對你表示感謝；最近您來立法院也很勤，特別是來跟所有委員分享一下，就是你們客家委員會，尤其是新的、114年度整體的預算有先來說明，本席在這邊對你致上敬意。"],["古主任委員秀妃：感謝委員，這是我應該要做的。"],["張委員智倫：接下來本席要來請教主委，第一個，現在客委會有一個叫做客家文化重點發展區，客家文化重點發展區是根據客家基本法第六條規定，當客家人口到達三分之一以上時，會列為客家文化重點發展區。根據本席所得到的資料，全國在110年有70個鄉鎮列被為客家文化發展區，可是本席也看到客委會在網站及一些媒體上有特別排名，全臺灣客家人最愛設籍的區域排行前10名。本席要在這裡跟主委報告的是，在排名前20名的部分中有10名打勾，這10個打勾的區域其人口並沒有到達三分之一，但它的人數是多的，這類鄉鎮已經占了二分之一的比例，在前20名中有10個非客家文化重點發展區，人數高達75萬4,800人。第一個問題要請教主委，現在所認定的重點發展區，只以人數占該鄉鎮區的比例來計算，卻不是以人數多寡為主，好照顧到更多的客家族群，這部分想請教主委，未來在標準上有沒有機會調整？特別是以人數調整？"],["古主任委員秀妃：感謝委員。重點發展區是指所有的傳統客庄區域，因為比較集中，所以作為重點發展區。委員說的沒錯，現在客家人搬到非客庄的人比較多，但它是分散的，這叫都市客家、分散的客家。針對分散的客家，目前為止還沒辦法定義它是不是客庄，目前尚沒有辦法。但在政策上對非居住在客庄的客家人，我們要思考政策該如何下達到這邊。沒錯，這部分有很多人，我們注意到了。目前我們所使用的方法是透過學校、社團讓這些客家鄉親聚在一起，做語言文化的活動也好，傳承也好，這是第一點。第二點，在這個地圖上……"],["張委員智倫：主委不好意思，接下來我要針對第二個問題請教。我大概理解您的說法，第一，以客家人聚集多的地方為主；第二，本席希望只要人數多就要考慮、多照顧。"],["古主任委員秀妃：沒錯。"],["張委員智倫：我要問的第二個問題是，因為這是重點發展區，而主委剛剛有特別講到伯公照護站，但一定要是重點發展區才能設伯公照護站。像臺北市、新北市的人數都很多，比例可能到百分之二十幾，甚至將近百分之三十，只差一點就到百分之三十，却無法成為重點發展區。為此，本席希望臺北市、新北市也應該要設置伯公照護站。設置伯公照護站有非常多好處，不僅親子之間有互動，相信對文化、語言的傳承都有幫助。就像剛剛蘇巧慧委員講的，可以讓大家更親密。像我小時候在學校沒有講臺語，可是我的阿嬤常常跟我說要學閩南話、要學臺語，這樣才能跟他溝通，拿一點零用錢。我覺得這是一件好事，透過伯公照護站讓這些親子老幼可以共同共樂，發展文化，這是一件好事。拜託主委是不是可以考慮盡量擴大？"],["古主任委員秀妃：感謝委員。委員講到的這點，目前我們有討論打算擴大辦理，包括非30%以上的客家地區在內，感謝委員的建議。"],["張委員智倫：主委，謝謝，我大概理解你的意思，我們就共同一起來努力。就預算數來說，112年的預算兩千七百多萬，113年四千一百多萬，114年四千四百多萬，預算有在逐步增加，也因此，我希望可以照顧到更多的人。","因為時間關係，我要問你關於客語輸入法的問題。本席在這邊只提一點，有關客語輸入法不知道客委會大概用多少經費設置客語輸入法？後端的資料庫建置大概花了客委會多少經費？現在的使用人數、下載人數大概是多少？"],["古主任委員秀妃：先前我們花了7年時間來建置語料庫、語音庫，大概花了上千萬。目前軟體app花了350萬建置，至於iOS和Android系統差不多有3,500人下載，數字不多，所以現在我們要做的是宣傳，把這個app宣傳出去，讓更多人來了解。"],["張委員智倫：謝謝。跟主委報告，既然已經花7年時間，一開始建立app及資料庫都花了很多的人力、物力、心力及納稅錢，不過現在下載的人數還不夠多。為此，本席可以提供兩個小小建議讓你參考。第一，輸入法其實不是那麼容易轉換，如果現在使用這個，一些使用者表示，一旦使用這個輸入法以後，那麼基本上就只能一直使用客語輸入法輸入，沒辦法切換成其他種語言，甚至連英文都沒辦法輸入，所以使用上有一點不是那麼方便。第二，原本過去是有錄音功能的，但現在有很多使用者回覆我說，錄音功能無法使用，使用功能好像壞掉了。所以拜託主委，既然已經花了那麼多時間和人力、物力，app一定要再精進一下，好不好？"],["古主任委員秀妃：好，感謝委員提供意見。"],["張委員智倫：謝謝，我對客委會主委有高度的評價。現在是不是可以請原民會曾主委？"],["古主任委員秀妃：感謝委員。"],["主席：請曾主委。"],["張委員智倫：主委好。不好意思，請主委上臺。礙於時間的關係，這是我第一次有機會站在質詢臺跟你請教。大家都知道行政院114年度的總預算被立法院院會退回，我想主委應該非常了解這個情形。最大的癥結點就是禁伐補償條例三讀通過了，可是原民會沒有編列應該有的預算。我先請教主委，第一個，依三讀通過的禁伐補償每公頃應該補助6萬元，主委是原住民代表，你認為是否應當？"],["曾主任委員智勇：跟委員報告，禁伐補償是一下子從3萬元要變6萬……"],["張委員智倫：請問你覺得該不該提升到6萬元？因為你也有原住民身分，你覺得應不應該？"],["曾主任委員智勇：我是認為應該逐步，現在是3萬變4萬……"],["張委員智倫：你的逐步是怎麼逐步？"],["曾主任委員智勇：因為原來是2萬，然後變成3萬，現在3萬一下變6萬……"],["張委員智倫：我是說三讀通過後，從3萬漲到6萬，你覺得應該補助到多少？"],["曾主任委員智勇：現在就是希望……我們預算有編到4萬，至於其他部分則視狀況。"],["張委員智倫：我再請教，昨天總質詢時，卓院長突然脫口而出，但我相信那應該是口誤。他認為編到6萬塊是浪費公帑，你的想法跟他一致嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：不是，不是浪費公帑……"],["張委員智倫：所以你覺得卓院長是口誤？"],["曾主任委員智勇：應該是……"],["張委員智倫：還是這是你私下跟他講好的？也覺得這是浪費公帑？"],["曾主任委員智勇：不是、不是！而是一下子從3萬到6萬，這不是浪費公帑，只是一下子進太多、太快了。"],["張委員智倫：最後一個問題請教。大家都知道，新聞也有講星期五要吃和解飯，就原民會的立場，在預算退回後，有沒有準備重編禁伐補償預算？你們有沒有在準備？不然禮拜五吃飯要談什麼？"],["曾主任委員智勇：我們可以視狀況在基金部分來看怎麼做……"],["張委員智倫：你這邊現在可不可以提供你所想的解決方案？"],["曾主任委員智勇：我現在只能說我們已經編到4萬，至於怎麼處理，由基金視狀況來做。"],["張委員智倫：所以你現在沒有任何想法？沒有任何解決方案嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：現在就有一個……"],["張委員智倫：沒有任何解決方案？"],["曾主任委員智勇：不是！要公務跟基金一起來看怎麼用，但現在預算已經編到4萬，且基金可以視狀況處理。"],["張委員智倫：三讀通過的法令是編到6萬，所以你仍堅持現在的預算編列，不打算做任何調整，也不打算溝通？"],["曾主任委員智勇：基金視狀況！"],["張委員智倫：視什麼狀況？"],["曾主任委員智勇：就是看兩邊怎麼樣來談、怎麼樣來弄，其實我們已經編到4萬塊，至於基金則視狀況來調度。"],["張委員智倫：所以沒有任何新的解決方案？從預算被退回以後，到現在都沒有新的解決方案？"],["曾主任委員智勇：是、是。"],["張委員智倫：好，以上，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝張智倫委員。接下來請李柏毅委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":278,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-4","speakers":["徐欣瑩","蘇巧慧","張智倫","李柏毅","麥玉珍","黃建賓","張宏陸","許宇甄","王美惠","黃捷","徐巧芯","牛煦庭","林倩綺","吳琪銘","高金素梅","鄭天財Sra 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